> Denuvo is expensive and takes resources away from development!
> So cheap even indie games can afford it.
So now what?
Should we start worrying fellow piratefags?
>>332526012
explain this meme
I either pirate and maybe buy at a discount or I don't play at all. No worries at all.
>>332526289
Yeah but devs are catching on to Denuvo.
/v/ said indie games would never be able to afford it and now this happens.
Don't worry, once it garners enough popularity more resources and effort will be put into circumventing it. Like all security software it's only a matter of time until it's cracked. Then the next thing will come along and start the process anew.
Only reason it hasn't been cracked already is because those who are adept at it don't want to be bothered since there's no real incentive. Once there is, denuvo is fucked.
>>332526395
>/v/ is one person
>>332526212
Denuvo is an anti-crack software that prevents people from cracking games.
It has worked well so far since there's no crack for FIFA 16, Far Cry Primal, Rise of Tomb Raider, etc.
>>332526465
Guess what takes less time to write?
>/v/ said
>the majority of anons at /v/ said
now kindly fuck off
>>332526395
one indie hardly sets a precedent.
Also indies aren't that big of a deal.
Indie devs usually have demos available and they usually need the revenue.
AAA devs neglect to offer demos and often add extra DRM.
For example I'll never buy any Ubisoft game now because of Uplay and Denuvo.
It used to be if I bought a Uplay game (Rayman Legends) I could crack it so I didn't have to deal with Uplay.
Now you can't do that, making purchasing any Ubisoft game completely unattractive.
>>332526530
oh then there's nothing to worry about, eventually someone will do it
>Indies
Just refund them after you finished them.
Most aren't longer than 2 hours.
>>332526428
We all know it's going to be cracked, that's not the problem. The problem is that each new version of Denuvo becomes more difficult and much longer to crack or circumvent. The longer it takes to crack, the more pirates lose.
>>332526713
3DM has been the only crack team to take a go at it.
And they've been struggling.
AND they're Chinese.
>>332526819
I don't feel like I have lost a thing
Pretty sure your delusions don't speak for me, familia
>>332526623
>majority of anons /v/ said during your brief observation
ftfy
I don't even play games anymore, as long as they don't install denuvo on /v/ and i can shitpost for free i'm happy.
>>332526465
no but it certainly it's a hivemind which in turn makes it look like one person
>>332526012
Why are people butthurt about non-intrusive DRM like Denuvo? It literally makes no impact on the experience of a paying customer.
>>332526925
funny you shoud say that
>>332526915
>i never been on denuvo threads
way to show that ignorance
I will pirate what I can as usual, It's not like I would die if I don't play the last denuvo riddled AAA game
>>332526651
Making a good demo is hard in its own right
You can easily spoil the entire experience if you make the demo too good or too large of a slice of the main game ( Just Cause 2 comes to mind. )
>>332527019
>I've never been to falseflag: the thread for earnest posts
Yeah, he's the ignorant one
Just pirate old games faggot. Or shitpost on /v/. Or watch movies, read books, read comics, etc.
There are like six trillion things to do on the internet you aren't going to miss out if you can't play CoD 8 Ass Warfare.
>>332527019
well exactly, those thread attract only specific kind of faggots, why would you mistake an opinion of a small group for an opinion of the whole fucking board
>>332527089
I mean it matters a lot less since Steam has refunds now, but the DRM thing still bothers me.
I still can't get Rayman Legends to start without a crack, I get asked to login to Uplay, I reset my password and it still didn't let me log in to play the game I own on steam.
>dude just contact Ubisoft support
I should not need to contact support to login to play a game I own when I'm already logged into steam and own the game
>>332527003
The only reason I heard about this shit game is he used Denuvo on it, I could really care less
>teams starting to realize sales wont be effected if they actually make quality games
>literally only standard "AAA" trash uses denuvo
>blockbuster titles like DaS3 dont use denuvo
>denuvo starts shilling to indies to make more revenue
>soon even indies catch on to the anti-tamper jew scam
i see nothing wrong here.
>>332527109
>falseflag
Get the fuck out. I bet you are one of the idiots that said such thing.
Why don't you guys try getting a job?
>deusex.jpg
>>332526395
I still won't buy games i never tried.They can put a 100 variations of Denuvo on their game and i won't buy it.
I do not support shitty DRM policies.One of the reasons i am buying almost all my games on GOG.
If a game is coming on GOG always buy it from there.
ALWAYS!!!
>>332527706
see >>332527350
This stuff punishes paying customers.
>>332527349
Falseflag piratefags maybe?
Yesterday's denuvo thread had a shit ton of morons cliaming Denuvo harmed hardware despite multiple anons showing proof it doesn't.
>>332527706
Suck it DRM fag!
On GOG i get my games DRM free.
>>332527786
>cliaming Denuvo harmed hardware
Denuvo does harm your hardware.I have burned SDD to prove that.I already filed a lawsuit against them for selling malicious software.
How to Spot a Denuvo Shill Argument:
>you pirate? you must have no job and be poor!
>you're poor? you must be a child!
>Denuvo NEVER EVER hampers performance!
How's that Dark Souls 3 license going, denuvoshills?
>>332527573
Adrift is not indie. 505 Games probably bought the Denuvo for the game themselves
>>332527723
What do you use to chat with friends or play online?
Steam is so damn comfortable to play games with my friends as well as chatting while in game.
>>332527518
You'd think with how stardew worked out indies wouldn't even consider using DRM anymore.
>>332527860
SUPPORT GOG!!LET THE DENUVO KEKS BURN!!!!
>>332528089
>I already filed a lawsuit against them for selling malicious software.
Can you prove that?
>>332528089
Yeah, it sure does:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX379zScuZE
Care to show us that lawsuit paperwork as well?
>>332528272
not him but I have all my GOG, pirated games and roms added to steam.
>>332528272
Discord/Teamspeak/Mumble like everybody else.
>>332528272
>What do you use to chat with friends or play online?
You know that there is GOG Galaxy right?
You know that there is the community hub on the GOG main site right?
You know that there are third party programs that let you chat right?
>>332528272
Teamspeak. The Steam chat is load of shit anyway.
>>332528525
I already have like 300+ games on my account. Why would I move to GOG?
>>332528489
>Care to show us that lawsuit paperwork as well?
Not until the lawsuit is over.I can get sued myself for doing that.
>>332528203
What about No Man's Sky?
>>332528683
not him again but you don't need to "move" to GOG.
PC isn't like consoles, you don't need to put your eggs in one basket.
Your PC is already the basket.
GOG games are completely DRM-free, you can install it where you like whenever you like without internet access, without login and you can add it to any launcher (e.g steam) you like.
>>332528489
>doesnt show what drive or hardware being used
>"debunked"
Blatantly made by shills trying to cover up the performance hit caused by denuvo
>>332528748
> Anonymous board
> Covering names
> I can get sued
> Getting sued for showcasing a lawsuit
Spot the falseflag faggot.
>>332528683
>NO DRM
>BETTER SERVICE
>BETTER COMMUNITY
And as a bonus by supporting a no DRM platform like GOG you are shitting in the place that will hurt the denuvo faggets the most.Their wallet.
>>332526012
why is denuvo permitted to advertise on /v/
>>332526012
Denuvo now prevents us from playing shit indie games.
I don't see how this is bad.
>>332528770
It's indie, thought I doubt it actually is. They've transformed their studio from a 4 man team to 16 members during the development of the game. They've announced the game at PS event and get prime time from them during presentations. While I can't prove they are getting funds from Sony, I assume they wouldn't be able to afford a new office after the last one got flooded and such rapid expansion just on Joe Danger alone.
>>332528929
> Constant writing patterns damage the SSD
> Show proof of said writing patterns
> Nothing harmful out of the ordinary
> BUT HE DIDN'T SHOW HARDWARE
There's no end with you, isn't?
Found a solution, bros.
Stop playing shitty games.
Seriously. When is the last time you pirated a good game?
>>332526972
>It literally makes no impact on the experience of a paying customer.
Wow I can't believe I'm reading this
It fucking destroys modding support and takes resources
holy shit are you sure retarded.
>>332526012
>Should we start worrying fellow piratefags?
But i buy all my games from GOG?Why should i worry for DRM when i am supporting the best anti-DRM platform out there?
Let Ubi/Origin and Steam faggets deal with this crap.
>>332528984
> Better community
> /v/ faggots probably plague GOG
Yeah I somehow doubt that.
>>332529239
>windows task manager is proof of ssd writing patterns
>im a know-nothing: the post
>>332529239
>>332529430
Anti-Denuvo fag here.
Denuvo enforces DRM and is generally bad, forcing multi-layer DRM on paying customers.
However I'm also an SSD-fag.
The russian claimed Denuvo makes 30GB+ of writes originally.
However stress tests show that modern SSDs can take over 1 petabyte of writes before dying.
Denuvo is shit because it's anti-consumer, not because it destroys SSDs.
>>332529430
Can you prove it's not a reliable measure?
With factual proof please. None of that I am an expert-know-it-all or "someone said" shit.
>>332529408
there are worse plagues than /v/ermin.
>>332529393
>But i buy
You're not a piratefag so obviously this thread is not for you.
>>332529667
>look, i dont know shit about math. can you just tell me how quantum mechanics work?
Can you prove it is? With factual proof please. None of that I am an expert shit
>>332529739
Bronies, cod kiddies, weebs, and /v/ermin equally garbage though.
Have you ever added someone in /v/? It's like talking to cleverbot, except all answers are in memes.
>>332529430
Prove him wrong then.
PROTIP: you can't you cock sucking corporate anti-people, anti-consumer, anti-rights whore
>>332529908
>equally
I know you're doing the whole "I'm above all this while posting here" schtick, but we both no they are not in any way equal.
I actually know people in real life who post here, but asides from them I know there are memefags, but even some 16 year old spouting memes isn't as bad as a large portion of the steam userbase.
>>332529814
A link would have been enough but I guess you can't even back up your claims.
Also, great argument you got there.
> Show video with proof
> IT'S NOT VALID
> Care to counterproof then?
> NOT IF YOU COUNTERPROOF FIRST
Geesh, it's like dealing with middle schoolers.
>>332529791
>You're not a piratefag so obviously this thread is not for you.
But i am anti-DRM so Denuvo can go an fuck itself with its anti-consumer shit.
>>332529638
>The russian claimed Denuvo makes 30GB+ of writes originally.
30GB+ are you shitting me??This is a lot more than i thought and i was against Denuvo to begin with.Fuck those faggots and their shit DRM i won't be caught dead installing anything that writes 30GB+ on my hard drive and that deletes it.Thats like 60GB of movement.30GB+ goes on and 30GB gets deleted.
>haha we stopped the pirates
>sales go down because nobody can try your game any more
>refunds go up because that's how people test it now
>nobody bothers with your shit
>>332529996
Im anti-DRM. It's just that guys video is bullshit. Showing mem usage on task manager =/= proof there isnt excessive ssd writes occuring. its like youre asking:
>if apples and oranges arent the same thing, then prove it!
when you have an apple and an orange already infront of your face. holding it in your hands. and youre still asking for proof. its ok to not understand technology, really. but maybe dont act like such a pompous ass when you dont know what youre talking about: just a thought
>>332530093
I am not above anything pal, just not part of the hivemind.
And the current state of /v/ isn't stellar or clean either. Might not be equal, but it sure is somewhere next to those guys.
>>332530282
hey anonQuantum Break has 75GB of video dataand on PC it's always online to stream that data
>>332526012
No. Games aren't worth playing these days.
>>332526012
>So cheap even indie games can afford it.
But anon i get my cheap indie games from GOG.
DRM free.
If I heard right, a good chuck of adrifts budget went into Denuvo
>>332526856
>they've been struggling.
You mean they've been paid.
>>332530547
[citation required]
>>332530440
>just not part of the hivemind.
yeah, yeah that's what you all say.
/v/ is complete shit, and it has been on a downward trend for the better part of a decade.
But pretending this place is as bad as the worst kinds of "degenerates" is petty,
>>332530401
>Showing mem usage on task manager =/= proof there isnt excessive ssd writes occuring
That's how people "proved" Denuvo hindered with SSD though. Apparently you know better. so, please, show me how did you found out that Denuvo fucked up your SSD
>>332530442
hey anonwhat makes you think that i am even buying that piece of shiti just bought a ton of stuff from the insomnia saleall DRM freeso i am set for a long time
>>332526012
>use denuvo on unknown indie games
>no one plays it
>no words from mouth to mouth
>everyone is affraid buying shit product
>game sales is abyssamall
denuvo is reaaally bad for unknown game, i think its only work with AAA title that has regular stupid audience
>>332526819
>the more pirates lose
Pirates lose nothing whatsoever. The only one who even potentially loses anything is the game dev and that's iffy at best. Until denuvo is mainstream or on triple a games people want to play don't expect to use someone else's crack
>>332530684
False conclusion. I never claimed denuvo burnt a drive of mine. I'm just stating observing memory usage on task manager is not an accurate measure of excessive drive writing
>>332530660
Never heard anyone else say that but whatever.
> constant gore "humor"
> loves to make fun of other's people misfortunes
> pedophiles up the ass
> constant shitposting on the main board's subject
> complains about memes in games and other sistes but there's no thread that doesn't have meme spouting faggots
> feet, gay, inflation, fart fetichists
Gee it sure doesn't sound bad after all!
>>332530931
So you can't counterargument, because you have none. It's a question of methodology and if his methods are faulty then so are the ones that were used to make a claim about Denuvo destroying drives.Stop playing devil's advocate here.
>>332528272
>friends
???
>>332530797
> i think its only work with AAA title that has regular stupid audience
Yup, that's why Dark Souls 3 is so popular around here.
>>332528951
Revealing personal information and information pertinent to an ongoing lawsuit is an awful idea and he'd have to be stupider than you to do it.
If Denuvo is really not that expensive then the Denuvo people are retarded as fuck because they basically have no competition.
>>332528498
>>332528525
>>332528592
All these special and unique snowflakes that want to look cool because they're afraid of using the standard.
>>332531141
>your reasonable assertions about technology are invalid because of a sourceless example im referencing
ok, kiddo. you're now going to have to give a link of someone directly stating "task manager mem usage is a method of directly inferring drive writes" otherwise im going to have to imply you're completely technologically inept and are talking out your ass
>>332530660
>/v/ is complete shit, and it has been on a downward trend for the better part of a decade.
true
>But pretending this place is as bad as the worst kinds of "degenerates" is petty
it's worse actually
>>332528285
or Witcher 3, but shareholders and other suits are usually devoid of intelligence
>>332531235
> Lawsuits broadcasted on public television from start to finish
> Lawsuits on newspapers, books, and public records
> But showing info on this one particular lawsuit could get you in trouble!
Keep that falseflag going on.
Actually you can and it's on public interest. See this faggot can make a class action lawsuit and let others know that Denuvo is harming their hardware.
Anyone who uses Denuvo then can join that lawsuit and make the case stronger.
But since you're just false flagging it's not going to happen.
>>332526972
>He doesn't remember that DRM + Denuvo made games unplayable and a lot of people asked for refunds
>>332526012
congratulations to the dev, he doomed his game before it was even released
dead on arrival
>>332531920
Dumb faggots playing unoptimized games on their shitty pc
I-it's denuvos fault!!
>>332531834
>this other faggot
It's probably the same retard, Anon.
Anyone dumb enough to believe you can't post lawsuit info online is a complete moron.
Sure posting your info is a bad idea but it certainly won't get you in trouble.
>>332529232
Not that Anon, I can understand there's no concrete proof, but since they've seen a lot of quality improvements which cost a lot of money and they're not doing an xbone version, it's quite likely.
>>332526972
http://steamcommunity.com/app/391220/discussions/0/405694115204015024/
Hey Denuvo shills, how's that Dark Souls license working for you? Oh wait...
>>332531920
>>332532039
It's funny how devs blame piratefags for bad sales but at the same time piratefags blame a game's success solely on drm.
>>332532297
[SOLVED]
?
>>332532434
>piratefags blame a game's success solely on drm
literal retardation. no one is saying that, or HAS said it. ever. source.
>>332526012
The world as you know it is slipping away and never coming back.
Enjoy your no games.
THANK YOU BASED DENUVO FOR SAVING PC GAMING!
>>332532517
of course the thread is "solved", because they discovered the reason.
That doesn't change the fact that he had to wait 24 hours after changing his build.
dumb fucking denuvo cocksucker
>>332532529
Yeah you're right, they actually blame DRM for everything, from performance to sales.
> no one is saying that, or HAS said it. ever. source
ffs I just quoted a guy saying the game was dead on arrival and if you connect the dots he meant because it had denuvo.
Use your critical thinking sometimes man.
>>332532813
>games being DoA from drm = pirates claiming sales come from drm
>success = failure
literally how retarded you sound
>>332532760
>He had to wait 24 hours
>Some dude you probably don't even know
>The poor soul couldn't play his game :'(
So why do you care this much for this one particular problem that is not even relevant anymore since it's been solved?
I hate denuvo as well but you fags seem to be scrapping the bottom of the barrel for falseflag information.
>>332533005
Are you ok Anon? Meme arrows only make you look smarter when you know what you're talking about but looks like you just spit nonsense there.
>>332533308
"meme arrows"you cant imply a game is dead from using drm, then simultaneously claim pirates attribute sales to drm. theyre logical contradictions
>>332532760
You know the game is meant to be played and not used as some kind of performance benchmark?
>>332533460
You have serious brain problems dude. Or bad reading comprehension skills. Or bad critical thinking.
Not sure where you got that conclusion but I never said anything remotely close to what you're accusing me of.
Try reading slower next time. Give your brain some time to understand what the context is about.
Bump for pirate buttmad.
>>332533856
if >>332532434 is you, then yes you did. Look. There you are saying it. And if that's not you, why the fuck are you jumping half way into a developed conversation and claiming "you dont make sense"? Are you fucking autistic?
>>332533460
> /v/ is natural enemy of reddit
> somehow keep posting pictures, memes, and threads from reddit
why tho?
>>332534124
>it's funny how DEVS say one thing
>but it's also funny how PIRATEFAGS say this other thing
Again, try reading slower next time.
>>332534337
>still attempting to deflect
Try not being retarded next time.
>>332534495
I am not trying to deflect, you even quoted the fucking text there. Did you even read it you moron?
>>332534495
> I looked like an idiot
> Better tell him he's deflecting and he's retarded
>>332533856
> but I never said anything remotely close to what you're accusing me of
>>332532434
>piratefags blame a game's success solely on drm
>>332534596
>Did you even read it you moron?
dumb nigger, did you?
can /v/ blame developers for using denuvo? would you use denuvo if you had a game that you invested 1000+ hours?
>>332534725
And you said
>>games being DoA from drm = pirates claiming sales come from drm
>>success = failure
I fail to see how a game being DoA means it was successful.
>>332534895
It's typically not the devs responsible for game-content that make that decision. The larger publishers that use coordinated teams have executive branches to decide such things
>>332534895
Yes and No. Most actual professional devs are 100% against drm. Only fags that have barely any experience in the industry, like Indies and shareholders, believe that drm is actually useful.
>>332534725
Why am I even arguing with you? The only thing I made was an observation of how both parties tend to make up bullshit.
I wasn't trying to be logical about anything.
>>332535061
>believe that drm is actually useful.
Denuvo is successful.
>>332534948
its not, that's why the very original thing quoted is fucking retarded. pirates dont blame sales on drm. holy. fucking. shit.
>>332534895
/v/ would be lucky if anyone gave a shit enough to pirate their game
>>332534895
Only if my game was shit, that way I can trick people into thinking that there's something worth stealing by putting it in a safe.
>>332534895
Its about the ethics of being a publisher. What if denuvo dies in 20 years and you wont be able to launch the game anymore or doesnt have comparability with the latest Windows?
>>332535401
I doubt any todays game with denuvo is worth to be played in 2036.
>>332535175
But they do.
Excuse me while I dig for more examples to BTFO.
>>332535168
Yeah, successful at making a profit forDenuvo.
>>332535175
So now instead of me downloading a game to see if its good, then buying it if it is. I'll just not play the game at all
But Denuvo will increase sales right? Unless they start doing demos I'm going to be buying a lot less games
>>332535758
Cry more bitch nigger :^)
Or it's still expensive and this indie dev fell for the marketing and bought it with how expensive it was thinking that the saved sales would pay off the investment.
Or maybe Denuvo caters the price depending on how big the game is, I don't know.
>>332535175
There's more, hold on.
>>332531056
No one's forcing you to browse here.
>0.02 has been deposited to your account!
Oh wait.
>>332534895
No i would put it on GOG.Where other awesome DRM free games reside.
>Witcher 3 DRM free
>Divinity:Original Sin DRM free
Whoa those people put so many hours in their games and we are not talking about garbage games here anon no siree.We are talking about quality games being sold DRM free and making a profit.
And making even more profit since they didn't pay for the implementation of anti-consumer DRM.
Who GOG master race here?
>>332526012
Any game that uses Denevo doesn't care about games at all because they're willing to let their game disappear for all of eternity in the near future while physical/nonDRM digital games will continue to exist and be shared.
Point is, they're not going for timelessness or value, they're just making games for money.
Therefore, never buy a denuvo game.
Simple as that, they're all bad or accidentally good.
>>332535929
>he doesn't sell his game DRM free on GOG
Pathetic,desu senpai.
>>332536150
I thought we were talking about the quality of the community?
I can tolerate /v/ermins since I've been here since 2005 but I sure as fuck wouldn't befriend one.
Huge difference.
>>332526012
>So now what?
Do what we should have done when Half-Life 2 made invasive always-on DRM mandatory.
Don't give them any of your fucking money.
>>332536278
>wanting to give CDPR more money to make console pandering games with
No thanks.
>There are people ITT literally shilling a DRM
I knew there were people paid to market on 4chan but this shit is ridiculous.
>>332536359
>we
there is no we you stupid fucking shill, I am a different person
and stop formatting your posts like this
you look like a drooling retard who just blew in from leddit
>>332535175
And last one since it looks you went for some ass-pirin or ointment for your ass.
>>332536592
This is the new form of advertisement. We're running out of jobs thanks to automation so expect to see this shit get worse. I hope civilization fucking ends in my lifetime.
>>332536496
You know that having your game on Steam doesn't require to even have Steam installed to run. Some games do as they use Steamworks but there's plenty of games that don't use Steamworks. This list even has HL2 and such on there which seems odd but I haven't tried it so I don't know.
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
>>332526012
I can imagine the shitposting when Factorio and Undertale upgrade to Denuvo
>>332526012
Nah, only shit games use denuvo so far
>>332536604
> No one's forcing you to browse here
> Tries to force me to write differently
lel
Also, good job jumping to an ongoing discussion.
>>332536574
>Yeah right we should give out money to other console pandering companies that put denuvo on their games.
Check out this faggot and his retarded logic.
>supporting DRM on a christian image board
There is a special place in hell for you fagget.
>>332526972
>Why are people butthurt about Denuvo?
Because with Denuvo uploaders dont get $$$$ of uploading games in adfly, private trackers dont get donations, etc
Why need download 30 GB of games when the 3 MB crack dont exist?
>>332536849
I have an innate desire to help people, unlike DRM shilling scum like you
if you hung yourself literally no one who personally knew you would care
>>332536909
I never said I support Denuvo or DRM. GoG-fags are just as bad as anyone else thinking the only way to release a game without DRM is through GoG. You've been brainwashed by CDPR, congrats.
>>332536745
Stop shilling your DRM platform.
Just buy your games from GOG the only place where games are DRM free for real.
>>332526713
From what i've heard the "scene" is kinda dead.
>>332536993
My oh my this is a rare sight, someone that likes to help by insulting others! Is this what we call a white knight?
>if you hung yourself literally no one who personally knew you would care
That's pretty much true for everyone on this board though so not sure where you're going with that "insult" of yours.
>Denuvo appears
>can't pirate
>can't bother spending money on vidya that I could spend on going to Japan or something
>end up improving my life tenfold by cutting vidya
Thanks DRMfags, I have a gf now.
>>332526012
the only issue with denuvo is that if it never gets cracked, the games will literally be unplayable if their servers go down.
like, entire games will be UNPLAYABLE, ever again.
>>332531337
>He thinks teamspeak isn't a standard for most people.
>>332537007
But anon do you know of another online marketplace that deals with DRM free games exclusively?
I don't.I know only of GOG.
And not only that but we are talking about a company that pushes the DRM free model.
>>332537224
So they are literally loaning you games that you don't really own.
Not like GOG games that you can safely store on any type of devise you like for later use.
Are you telling me that Denuvo devalues the game you buy?
>>332537224
They can unlock their drm tho.
Unlike GFWL that a lot of games are stuck with that shit.
Also, seeing how it protects a company's games more and more support will come from them so I hardly see it dying any time soon.
it's not appeared in anything i want yet so i don't care
i'm not going to buy a game without pirating it first, ever, full stop. fool me once etc. i have other hobbies idgaf
>>332526651
Just making a comment.
>Indie devs usually have demos.
No, they don't. Good Indie devs have demos, but a very small number of Indie games today have demos.
>>332526713
>eventually someone will do it
The overwhelming majority of cash for a new release comes within the first month.
If Denuvo protects it that long, the devs will be happy with it.
>>332537720
>They can unlock their drm tho
won't ever happen. denuvo as a company doesn't have the right to unlock it if they personally go bust. they're not a publisher or distributor, they're just a third-party contractor.
if the denuvo servers go down and denuvo hasn't been cracked, then all denuvo games will be lost forever. like all those black-and-white movies, or the library of alexandria, only shit
>>332537869
>demos
Why no one talks about this... i mean NO FUCKING ONE.
Its really a sin making a demo in this days?
>huge AAA studios make demos of their games to show em at e3 and other places
>those demo builds have the best graphics ever, same as the trailers
>game comes out a few months later
>it looks like shit
>demo is nowhere to be found and played or used to compare
>"there is no downgrade fagget"
>have to pirate games to try them before buy them instead of trying a demo for a few moments
>inb4 2h refund
>>332537720
>more and more support will come from them
holy shit do you actually believe that?
>>332537995
>he thinks pirates won't be able to keep it in their pants for 1 month
>he thinks that denuvo will actually improve their sales
How delusional are you?
>>332538196
They're already working on V3 so yeah?
>>332526012
>Should we start worrying fellow piratefags?
Why would i worry?I support GOG and they make all their games DRM free.
>>332538160
the last demo i played was the FEAR 2 demo, and it was a significantly better experience than the full game
demos are not trustworthy
i will play the entire game, and then i will choose whether to make a donation. i don't give a fuck if that's not fair, if the games industry\media wasn't made of lying shitters then i wouldn't have to
>>332526012
I have not pirate shit in a long time, what is that program you are using?
>>332526012
>indie games
you mean those games i don't even bother to pirate anyway?
>>332526012
Hey am i getting shadowbanned for speaking against denuvo or i am imagining things?
>>332538160
Yeah, I miss demos that were actual reflections of the game.
I can understand "this content is subject to change," but when their "demo" is just a shiny tech showcase to lure people in, it pisses me off.
Make legitimate demos that give people like 2 hours of playtime on big games and up to a specific point on smaller games and install like 40-50% of the game itself based on the projected "speed" people can do the game at.
>>332526465
>>332527364
>I could really care less
fucking ameritard
>>332538215
This is the logic behind the company:
> Sells 1M first month
> Good but what about those who didn't paid for it?
> What if we stop those people from getting it for free and eventually some of them will buy it?
> So you mean we'll make 1M sales and a couple thousand more?
> Sounds good to me!
And if you think piratefags won't eventually buy the game then you're in delusion.
Of course I am not saying ALL of them will. But mostly the desperate kiddies who can't have a second without a new release.
>>332538450
You are imagining things, you fucking attention whore.
>>332538346
I cant even remember the last time i downloaded and played a demo.
I think it was those demos that came in the mags.
>f22 lightning
>gta1
>MDK
If consoles count, burnout demo inside another ps2 game.
>>332538329
What if devs stop selling on GOG? Think of the big picture man.
>>332538527
I just don't play games I can't pirate
There are tons of games out there I can pirate why waste time on one I can't
>>332538160
Demos have been proven to negatively affect sales.
>>332538712
>Of course I am not saying ALL of them will.
Congratulations, you're part of the group that has auto control.
>>332538776
Source you homosexual marsupial.
>>332538901
Vanquish sold like shit because of the demo. And that's a PS3 title.
>>332538215
How retarded are you?
Allow me to interrupt, as I am a different anon, but your post is incredibly stupid.
You should know that in the current market for AAA releases, the sales are only strong for one month, this is the time window were the publisher gets a profit, sales overtime barely count for console releases. This is why console games, outside COD due to its demand, drop in price drastically.
The best platform to make an extra profit out of a game is PC, Steam generates strong overtime sales.
This is why Denuvo, this is why one month.
>>332529392
>It fucking destroys modding support and takes resources
>all PC games are moddable
>console ports are well-optimized
Those are non-issues with the current state of PC gaming. Everything that used to differentiate PC from consoles is being diluted, now you can't even debate performance because many AAA multiplats have Sony/MS funding to make the PC version only as good and run as shit as the console versions.
>>332538901
>>332535168
That's why Lords of the Fallen was such a blockbuster hit, right?
>>332538527
>And if you think piratefags won't eventually buy the game then you're in delusion.
I haven't bought Diablo 3,or Star
How many years has it been since they released it?
Do you think that i will buy it ever?
How stupid are you?
If the game didn't have their stupid DRM and i was able to test it i might have bought it.
Now they are never gonna see my money.
A lost sale thanks to DRM.
>>332538954
>1 game makes an entire theorem based on a long thought hypothesis and tests
Was the Vanquish Demo the entire game or something?
>>332526856
>3DM has been the only crack team to take a go at it.
Why are you so retarded?
First legit Denuvo crack was Lords of the Fallen by CPY
3DM only did shit cracks for it that barely work, meanwhile CPY cracked multiple denuvo games.
>>332539051
It had nothing to do with it using denuvo.
>>332539027
What quantity of each of those qualify as AAA and Indie, respectively?
Assuming the Trailer line is mostly AAA titles and everything else is most Indie trash, this is a very skewed graph.
>>332538615
>What if devs stop selling on GOG?
Like this will happen.There are more people on GOG buying games than ever before.People love buying from there.
>>332526012
Denuvo isn't real, it's a front company used to pay off cracking groups to not crack games.
>>332539056
Maybe next time try reading the entire post before jumping to conclusion and making yourself look like a total idiot?
>Of course I am not saying ALL of them will. But mostly the desperate kiddies who can't have a second without a new release.
>>332526012
not really anything to worry about it, it will just be fun when they're all going to be in tears "why isn't my game selling?"
>>332539234
I heard this before, but how do you know that?
I mean it is believable, but fuck the FBI had to pay an Israeli group to unlock a stupid phone, so I don't know where to stand anymore.
>>332532620
>Denuvo is saving PC gaming
>PC doesn't have any AAA exclusives
>PC doesn't have any Japanese games
>PC doesn't have any properly optimized games
A lot of good that will do.
>>332537720
>I hardly see it dying any time soon.
Just like safedisc and securom, right? It doesn't matter because it'll happen in the future and all I have space for in my tiny monkey cranium is what's relevant for the next 5 minutes.
>>332539027
Piggybacking off the other fag, this looks skewed against demos, since it's not actually separating the title types.
It's also not specifying a time period.
>The last year?
>Since the 360 was released?
It's just number and lines on a graph with no real indication of where they come from.
CoD games never had a Demo and probably contributed a big chunk to that top line.
>>332539637
>PC doesn't have any Jap games
Are you retarded?
>PC doesn't have any properly optimized games
Nevermind, you answered it for me.
>>332539076
>1 game I can remember as an example
Nah, it just showed how bland the gameplay was and therefore many people didn't bother getting the full version.
Had the game released without a demo maybe things would have been differently.
There is in fact people that buys games solely on hype and they never play them.
MGSV has about 10% of it's users never getting past the prologue.
For simplicity's sake that's about 100,000 sales of people who won't even bother with it.
The demo would have greatly hurt those sales.
>>332539056
There was an open beta or demo for Diablo 3, anyone who is not retarded could had judged from the first two hours where the game was going, reason why Steam 2 hour policy is not yet friendly, it only screw the sale system, because people refunded a game if it was $5 cheaper later.
However there are games that are either too short, or waste your time or don't get good until several hours in. The tutorial for any Grand Strategy game is larger than 2 hours.
Also it is not that I am calling you a lying shit, but I am calling you a lying shit, and honestly I don't believe you would had paid for it, one on the principle that is a shit game, second the poorfag is strong here, and really do you think a crackable version would had made the game sold even more? The shit game sold 10M units, they are not gonna risk it for a pissbaby like you, get realistic, faggot.
Here is what Blizz would not have the balls to tell you: your loss, kill yourself.
>>332539818
>Bland game
Okay, that's fair enough.
That's also one of the reasons Demos are good.
>"Why doesn't this game have a demo?"
>"Cause they didn't want to waste development time on it, even though it would've taken max of a day and a half to chop a chunk of game out, add a "end" screen, and call it a Demo."
So yeah, I guess you're right here.
That's why Primal doesn't ahve one either.
>>332539142
Sure it didn't, people just chomp at the bit to buy ambitious games from no name studios that could easily be buggy of broken as fuck. Everyone remembers what a sales coup Ravens Cry was after all. Positive word of mouth that "hey this game actually works and is a competent souls knock off" from people who tried it without risking their hard earned cash couldn't possibly have helped Lords of the Fallen. Clearly Denuvo helped that game so much, no one pirated it, and no one played it.
>>332538712
>I just don't play games I can't pirate
Anecdotal. Not all think this way anon, some will give in.
The instant just 1 pirate does, Denuvo has done its job at increasing profits.
It really is that simple.
>>332531523
Any time anyone says something different from you, you say "HAHA you're inept!!" And when they ask how you say "haha you're too dumb for me to explain it" and YOU'RE calling people kiddos?
L
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>>332538776
Yeah but only if the game is dogshit
I.E demos would lower sales for every modern AAA game
No anti-crack software has ever made me purchase a game I would otherwise pirate.
Also I've only ever bought a game I pirated twice: Witcher 3 and The Witness.
If the game isn't cracked after several months I usually forget about it and don't even purchase it when it goes on sale on principle.
The only companies that deserve my money on risk without demos are Nintendo and Square Enix. Anything else that doesn't have a demo doesn't deserve full retail price for their game without a playtest option.
If you're a game dev or a literal shill, mark my words. Give your game a an easily accessible demo if you really want pirates to buy more, or fuck off. Denuvo isn't going to help your sales.
>>332539175
Still doesn't match Steam's 50M userbase.
>>332540324
Technically they have to get more pirates to buy than it costs to use denuvo
How much does it take to be able to use it?
>>332540139
Demos are good for the consumer, sure. But in the devs mind is the other way around which is why we hardly see them now.
Like you mentioned Primal is a good example.
Luckily with steam refunds it's kinda possible to get a glimpse of the game and refund it if it sucks.
But devs are also countering this with long ass prologues and making the first hours of the game exciting and shit.
>adr1ft
>space simulator
>denuvo drm
>most irrelevant indie developer out there
>their first game
you actually buy this shit ?
hahahhahah
>>332540545
denuvo is expensive as shit. it's a bespoke implementation for every game (also part of the reason why it's so hard to crack), and denuvo basically work as contractors integrating it into your game. it's not just some software package that you stick on there in half an afternoon.
i have no idea what it costs, but my guess would be they make a generous estimate of the amount of money that would be 'lost' to piracy, and then divide that amount by a number between 2 and 5, and charge that. the only reason 'premium' DRM has taken so long to happen is because companies are so paranoid about losing money to piracy
>>332537346
>online marketplace
Why do you need a specific online store? And why does it need to be exclusively drm free? GOG isn't the only place that sells drm free games and thinking that is just as harmful as people who only buy games from Steam.
And like I said, buying from GOG is funding console game development and CDPR'S continuing selling out. GOG fags are pots calling the kettles black.
>>332540545
Nobody has been able to find out that so don't believe anyone saying it's either free or too expensive for the indide scene.
>>332540798
>first hours exciting and shit
God almighty, Fallout 4 is the top example of this.
>In the first 2 hours, you finish the prologue, gain access to your first home, save a faction of "good guys," get power armor AND murder a Deathclaw.
Which sets up making you think "this is going to be fucking AMAZING!"
And then it turns into "meh."
Still good at parts, but overall a huge disappointment.
>>332540834
You don't get the big picture, do you?
>>332539421
>I heard this before, but how do you know that?
The firm I work for regularly brokers deals that are tantamount to software security blackmail.
Whilst i've never first hand dealt with cases involving game developers, it's relative prevalence in other far less profitable sectors of the software industry is a pretty good indicator that there's absolutely money to be made there, and a lot of it.
Game developers have in the past hired cracking groups to help improve their DRM, so there's a precedent, what i'm proposing is simply a step up from that.
Denuvo itself is very much real, but I suspect it's effectiveness does not lie in it's inability to be cracked, but rather in it's ability to line the pockets of those able to do so.
>>332540994
I've been hearing this shit a lot coming from FO4. At this point I am inclined to believe it's true.
>>332540858
At least they make good games.
>>332526530
>Shills always forget that lords of the fallen was cracked along dragon age
>but muh muh origin backdoors
Well guess what, hacking is all about finding exploits.
>>332541134
Yeah, it's Skyrim with guns and a very thick railroad in terms of actual "role-playing" elements.
>Most options boil down to yes, yes (sarcastic), (more information) or no (I'll be back to say yes later.)
>>332541083
Was Denuvo started by a people in the cracking scene?
I know I could google it, but you seem way more savvy on this than I am.
One would think there would be more competition in the DRM scene. Like an arms race, maybe there is.
>>332541024
found the faggot who purchased the first indie denuvo ridden game on release
its glorious
>>332541246
>Retards always forget Denuvo V1 had an exploit
>Retards always forget this is Denuvo V2 and an exploit hasn't been found
>Retards always forget Denuvo is working on V3 already
I was going to insult piratefags but not even they're this dumb.
>>332526856
time to roll in the korean boys then
>>332541180
>bland console action rpg
>good
Yeah, Inquisition was pretty good too :^)
Can't wait to see their incredibly deep cyberpunk rpg based around a controller and catering to the kinds of people who buy AAA console games.
>>332539794
>shitty doujin porn games are Japanese games guise!
Where is that "what PCfags think they are getting/what they're actually getting" picture when you need it? Vita ports don't count. Ports of old PS2/3 games don't count. Emulation doesn't count.
New, highly anticipated releases count, like FF15, KH3, Persona 5, Ni no Kuni 2, SK Esteval, Megadimension, and Nier 2. Not ports old, irrelevant games like Neptunia, Shinovi Vs, or Valkyria chronicles. Japan simply doesn't view PC as a viable platform at all, I don't see why you're so offended about it.
>>332541568
>old irrelevant games like Neptunia don't count
>Lists a Naptunia game in the New, highly anticipated releases count list
Anon...
>>332541486
Yup, you don't.
Here's a quick summary:
- /v/ermins claim denuvo is too expensive to use on indie games
- indie games use it now
- which means denuvo is not as expensive
- more and more games get denuvo, even indie
- eventually getting rid of the cracked indie games
- no more free games for you
Of course a simpleton like yourself wouldn't understand it but whatever.
>>332541508
too busy playing starcraft though
and the japanese don't care for PC releases
is India reliable on this shit?
>>332541708
I was referring to the Vita remakes of the PS3 games, not the franchise as a whole. Megadimension so far is PS4 exclusive, and will likely come to PC after there have been 6 more Vita entries and 2 more console entries. :^)
>Rampant drm becomes a thing
>piracy is no longer a thing
>literally nothing happens because of it
>the loss of sales was minimal, so no significant increase in revenue
>only end result is that less people are playing games
buyfags are cancer for thinking any of this matters and piratefags are going to get buttblasted because they will have to pay for games.
>>332541751
>No more free games for you
>Implying
But humoring you,
>Piracy dies
>A ton of Pirate-fags abandon gaming and pick up other hobbies, get a real life or just go back to anime and manga
>Profits from games drop notably
>To the point some people can no longer afford Denuvo on their new games
>Denuvo dies as the "profit killer DRM"
>>332541909
>buyfags keep buying games
>piratefags can't play free games anymore
If anything it only affects piratefags
>>332541134
Yeah its like that - first hour is very good you have crafting, huge world to explore easy and fast leveling so much to do etc.
>>332538776
correction: shit games have been shown to have negative sales. demos simply amplify the tendency of sales.
