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why is the rts genre dead?
>>332524285
Because not to many people play it anymore. It's, unfortunately, no longer a popular genre.
It just needs a boost of innovation, anyone who is a fan of the genre has played it to death at this point and that's why dota was so well received by more traditional rts fans back when it was just a mod. Oh and if anyone cares halowars is now backwards compatible on xbone
>>332524285
it' not dead, just multiplayer RTS is dead, because people are fucking autists and only play starcraft
now if you ask me for a RTS with a good singleplayer campaign I can't name anything recently because like all other games they are shit these days
>>332526758
>it' not dead
Yes, it is.
>>332524285
too hard for the modern mobacuck player
I don't even care that they're not being made anymore desu. C/C red alert 2, Starcraft, and AOE2 are all just as good as they were back in the day and I still play them regularly.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPhJWlURRVM
>>332527114
>Yes, it is.
no, it's not.
>>332524285
How did the tire get there?
>>332527812
It was lying there for a long time and the tree grew through the hole.
There are a million RTS on the app store right now
RTS are fun as long as you take the time to dick around, experiment, build up armies etc..
Once you go autistic with your build orders and worry about how many times you make a movement with your mouse the shit gets retarded. The autistic communities surrounding the RTS is what killed the genre.
The RTS genre was predicated on pushing computing to its limits - every generation sold itself on better graphics, higher unit counts, more engaging maps, bigger campaigns, more scope, more scale.
However, at a certain point, the wide, expansive scale can just get frustrating. That's how Starcraft succeeded - it was able to provide shorter, more decisive matches between two players, rather than hour-long slogfests against a predictable AI.
Toss in a map editor after that and it's gasoline on the fire. Impatient players can - and did - cherrypick the parts they like (watching lots of units attack and die at once) and chucked the ones they didn't (gathering resources, tech trees), splintering the custom game scene into sub-genres like tower defense, mass unit battles, and eventually its deathknell - MOBAs.
>>332527812
>>332527942
Gap in the tire hidden by the tree
>>332527812
you uproot the tree and put the tire in from below and then bury the tree again
>>332528774
>The RTS genre was predicated on pushing computing to its limits - every generation sold itself on better graphics, higher unit counts, more engaging maps, bigger campaigns, more scope, more scale.
this was a thing, yes.
it culminated in supreme commander. the peak of the genre, the magnum opus of RTS.
since then, nothing new has managed to top supcom. people pretty much stopped innovating and started making sequels and rehashes exclusively.
in my opinion supcom:FA is the best RTS in existence, which is pretty sad when you consider that it is nearly a decade old now.
Bungie tried to save the genre with Halo Wars...
Have to actually press buttons in order to play the videogame.
C'mon, it's 2016, we don't need such archaic, outdated and spergy mechanics like actually having to play the game.
Because developers keep pandering to touneyfags.
There's very little "strategy" involved in RT"S"s. They should just be renamed to "real time micromanagement". Or, more appropriately, "real time macroing and mouse twitchiness"
>>332529245
>SupCom
>good
Pick one.
>>332524285
Because it's not a guaranteed moneymaker and never will be. The audience is far smaller than the droves of casuals who play FPS/TPS. Naturally, this makes studios averse to spending on them.
This leaves only people with vision who WANT to create an RTS. But most of them settle for making mods for existing ones.
>>332529724
It's called Gookclick.
>>332529735
>The audience is far smaller than the droves of casuals who play FPS/TPS
The audience is around the same size as the people who play real FPSes (aka "oldschool/arena FPSes").
>>332529725
Go play a moba you monkey fuck.
This is my favorite strategy game right here, Anons. Men of War: Assault Squad 2. Das rite. The community is alive and well, you can easily get into a 2v2/3v3 game if you're patient. The perfect blend of realisitc and streamlined gameplay, with minor control/interface fuckery you get used to after a few hours of play. Company of Heroes for adults, what more can I say. Watch some gameplay or some tutorials and see for yourself!
Pictured: a brave Partisan destroying a Tiger tank with a bundle of dynamite looted from the wreckage of another enemy tank (not pictured: second Tiger destroyed by the same Partisan mere minutes later).
>>332529724
And grinding maxed out blobs of top units against eachother after "30 min no rush" is strategy?
>>332527812
they left the tire there when it was a sapling.
>>332529869
Doesn't make my argument any less true
>>332529914
>2v2/3v3
Team games are literal cancer.
>>332529269
Halo wars was actually surprising good. Had the feel of a very streamlined AoE2. Quite simple but still enjoyable multilayer, i hold out hope that halo wars 2 might be half decent especially as there will be a PC version.
>>332529914
My favorite map. Mmh, what a great place to bombard, mm. I sure feel like playing some Men of War right now.
>>332529724
CMON ITS THE CURRENT YEAR
>>332529869
>real FPSes
As opposed to what, fake ones? Counterfeit?
>>332524285
consoles and mobas
>>332530263
butthurt codbabbi
>>332530160
What makes you say that, Anon? Don't you have good teammates to play with?
Its not though, its alive and well. Its just not on the surface which is good, everything that gets REALLY popular turns into total cancer.
>>332530393
What's wrong? Can't win games by the sweat of your OWN brow, and need teammates to get carried to victory or "me good team bad" them when you lose?
>>332530194
>>332529914
That isn't an RTS, it is an RTT.
>>332530263
As opposed to interactive movies.
>>332529914
>men of war
>rts
literally fucking pick one
>>332529724
It's not "pandering to tourneyfags", it is simply impossible to create a game where you won't have to click to make things happen.
>>332529880
It is part of what killed RTSs, no interesting settings or single player story/campaigns to make you feel connected to the game, no atmosphere at all, pushing colored blobs around.
>>332530841
> just* pushing colored blobs around.
fix'd
>>332524285
The genre is a bit exhausted theme wise. Consider the possible settings.
>History
Done to death by AoE, Tzar, Rise of Nations, Stronghold
>Current warfare
Rare but done with C&C Generals and some other games. RA2 and CoH if you count WW2 as current.
>Sci-fi
Too many to count.
>Fantasy
BfME2, Warcraft
What's missing is a WW1 RTS but it would have to have some innovative mechanics to be somewhat believable.
>>332530789
>If you don't have 300 apm you automatically lose
good game design
Because RTS'
R
Totaly
Shit
>>332530535
>nofunallowed.png
>>332524285
my favorite RTS is Battle for Middle-Earth 2, no joke.
fite me
>>332531123
Pretty good game but without the comm. patch it's pretty broken and with it the hard AI becomes too easy and Brutal AI gets bonuses that are too insane to handle
>>332531350
Yeah the Brutal AI bonuses really piss me off. Hard is just a tad too easy. Otherwise it's pretty solid.
Multiplayer was where it was at.
>>332530728
>Close Combat
>Myth series
>Men of war
>Wargame
>old fantasy warhammer games
>Total war series
RTT is a much better genre than RTS.
Holy fuck this thread is ridiculous
Every game mentioned is a strategy game calm down kids, not even Black Metal elitists get that sperged up over genres.
RTS isn't dead because everyone on here just proved the genre is still being played all the time. /thread
>>332532263
>RTS isn't dead because everyone on here just proved the genre is still being played all the time.
No new games tho
>>332530535
I've played more than enough 1v1 to learn about the game. I'm bored of the same 1v1 maps. Besides if I wanted to play alone, I'd just play the campaign.
I've found some new gaming buddies recently and I always wanted to play MOWAS2 as part of a team, and just like every other multiplayer game, it's way more fun that way.
Battlefleet Gothic looks good
Too difficult for the average retard. Even amongst the people who liked the genres you had supreme commander autists who would shit on games like StarCraft for not being supreme commander enough. EA owns one of the biggest franchises. Blizzard owns one of the biggest franchises. Should explain to you right there.
>coh 2
>balance is so shit
>cant win on my favorite faction because axis are more overpowered than it
>have to play even more OP factions to get wins
just
>>332532371
wrong. No 10/10 but there is plenty new ones.
>>332532371
>Battle fleet Gothic
>Sins of a Solar Empire gets a patch
>Warhammer Total War
>Bannerlord
Its definitely not the most popular genre but cre not in a drought. Also what's wrong with old RTS? Age of Wonders is still one of my top favorites and its been over a decade since I bought it.
>>332532694
>Not playing all factions equally much
I play as whatever side has the shortest queue and choose a faction I haven't played in a while or feel like playing.
>>332533104
ive already played OKW enough in 2v2+s and bot matches to know how much of a brain dead retard faction it is, its not fun winning matches with that faction because it entirely revolves around draging your entire army and ctrl a ing where the enemy is
doesnt help they get the strongest cheese in the game too, like ISG spam, fast luches, 12 min KT
I downloaded a mod for Generals Zero Hour to look at the pretty real life planes and shit.
What I got was a complete fucking rebalance of the game and all my cheese tactics taken away.
Plus two new sides, one of which is so fucking novel it's completely unplayable for me.
I am having fun with it because I can't fucking cheese it and I get to pew pew alpha tango zero to bravo delta mig in flight humvee here we will take what is ours scud launcher ready to strike bullshit.
I only wish this fucking mod was a new game so I could play it but my retard friends probably won't pick it up.
>>332532845
>>Bannerlord
In what fucking world is Bannerlord a rts?
Would you count Sins of a Solar Empire as an RTS?
Its pretty fun when you aren't getting destroyed for 4 hours straight.
>>332524285
The RTS genre is "dead" because it's been split up so much that there isn't large user bases like there was back in the day. If you made a game like Settlers back then you could sell 1 million copies easily. Now? You should be happy if 2 people buys it. When you make a big studio make an RTS today they have to hit at least 1 million sold copies and as the community is today that's never gonna happen, indie devs? No the RTS fans have to high of a standard for any indie dev to ever be able to make a RTS for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw2iAn3WOhY
>still has frequent streams and commentated videos
>can play games every night with other people
Not dead kouhai.
it's dead because it already achieved perfection with the conquerors
>>332530160
They are a lot of fun in RTS with assymetric races, which every good RTS should have.
>>332532030
This. We need more of those instead of another Starcraft knockoff.
>>332524285
Imagine being in such a shit country that no one bother to pick up trash for so many years that a tree was able to grow inside of a tire.
Truly the UK is a disgusting place.
>>332530927
>The genre is a bit exhausted theme wise
>Current warfare
>Rare
>>332532845
Sins of a Solar Empire is utter boring garbage though.
>>332528047
>There are a million RTS on the app store
>>332536118
How do you know its the UK?
>>332536118
This was taken in oregon... :/
>>332537480
To each his own but shooting a Kostura at enemy's capital and sending in a fully upgraded Orkulus has its charms
