Who's top tier? I really need to know.
>>332516317
Urien
WHENS SAKURA
>>332516401
he isn't even out
Chun, Ken, Nash, Karin
It seems like Mika and Karin but I haven't played in a month...I'm hoping Ken got a buff
I'm pretty sure Ryu is the best character in the game.
Play him if you're in doubt or waiting for your main to come out, he won't let you down as he can accommodate various playstyles.
>>332516483
Tier whore.
>>332516317
It's really hard to tell right now, the game being so young and all that. Most people would agree it is between Chun, Ryu and Nash, so far.
>>332516824
What? OP asked about the top tier.
>>332516483
>Chun
I keep seeing people parrot this, but with nothing to back up but the "everyone says so" card.
She has:
>Very low meterless damage and stun
>One of the least damaging supers of the game
>A v-trigger that while long lasting, is one of the least useful and tide turning v-triggers
Do you see where I'm going? While she has great buttons, a nice overhead, a reversal and great walkspeed. She can't play from behind, because it takes more mix-ups for her to catch up than for most characters.
Don't get me wrong, she is a great character. But she isn't the absolute best character in the game as many people call her, no way.
Laura needs armor on her EX command grab as well...its not fair that people can literally just mash you out of it at any fucking range. Either way I'm not gonna stop playing her and scrubs online aren't smart enough to know how to stop me yet.
Who wants to play?
>>332517101
You didn't have to type all of that shit. I think he's just pointing out she's a potential top tier character with the names given.
Hell I'd argue Ryu will be godlike overtime. His meaty set ups are phenomenal.
>>332517151
The servers are down for another 3-4 hours, homie.
Cammy
>>332517151
>Laura needs armor on her EX command grab as well
That'd be super bullshit
She isn't the problem, you just aren't using your grab well and being very obvious about it. You don't even need the ex one realy as you should do linear movement to grab
Chunners, Nash, and/or Mika. Mika is braindead easy
>>332517101
>A v-trigger that while long lasting, is one of the least useful and tide turning v-triggers
I sthat a joke ? it litterally turns her into one of the most offensive character in the game, with tighter frame traps and combos out the ass, a faster COMBOABLE overhead, MORE hitsun on TK legs and actual damage
How Rashid? I thought he would be top tier when they showed his trailer.
>>332517101
Her overhead is pretty terrible and is only decent during V trigger.
I honestly think you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>332517101
>v-trigger lasts forever
>makes her into sf4 chun
Yeah, it's pretty fucking great to turn tides.
>>332517386
Lets not forget that she gets to combo her slide into V-trigger for megadamage like some sort of bastardized FADC nonsense.
Chun is mega strong.
Alex up yet?
>>332516317
Dio
Laura is top tier waifu. That's all that matters.
>>332517787
Every character gets to combo their shit into v-trigger into loads of damage...
Much more damage than Chun-Li at least.
>>332518001
Laura is a whore, WHORE!
>Before Final Round
>BISON OP GIB NERF
>Now
>BISON A SHIT PICK A BETTER CHARACTER SCRUB
>>332518126
Not everybody gets it off a fucking long range poke.
>>332516483
>Ken
Nope.
>>332518147
Most people don't know what they are talking about, so they parrot the popular opinion.
Did you see Sim getting called top tier even once ITT? Well, before FR he was the best character along Chun and Bison.
>>332518216
>>332518126
more importantly she can do it in a combo starting with a light
>>332518147
Being a Bison main that is "better than average but not 'good'" at fighting games is suffering. He fun though, I just need to work on mixups and frame traps
>>332517361
>Chun braindead
Lol
its fucking 3pm isn't alex out yet?
>>332517573
He's solid enough, his damage is bad and he has some shitty matchups, like Nash, Chun, Birdie, probably Fang, or Mika.
>>332517101
Amazing mobility, amazing range, reversal, fireball, and a v-trigger that lets her freestyle all over you and still get combos. You can get a fucking combo off an air-to-air in v-trigger. She gets options she doesn't even need. Why can she air-grab? I dunno, GET DOWN. Why does b.HP eat projectiles in VT? Why not?
>>332518489
So he has a bad matchup against half the cast
>>332518308
He's ridiculously good, but the reality is that if you're say... the best Nash, you'll beat the best Sim, just by virtue of how ridiculous Nash is. Sim won't get nerfed, while the other two or three characters better than him will. Then in the dawn of Sim City.
>>332518593
>5 maybe 4
>out of 16
Nigga what
>>332516317
If players are good with Spacing then Chun-Li. She has range for days and a V-Trigger that just stacks damage.
If players are good with Cross-Ups, Charlie Nash. Best Fireball in the game and a V-Skill that eats them while his V-Trigger can do quick switch ups out of tight situations or in mid-combo for Cross-Ups and potential damaging Enders.
And lastly Ryu for the sake of Pacing and Reading Players. A good Ryu player just has to study a round or less how a player goes about the fight and will have an answer for it.
These are just from personal experiences and studies from them and videos. But this is just my take on it, honestly any character can be really good with how the game is done so far. It just depends on the Player themselves and their skill and play style. I suggest going through them and feel them out in Practice and then just throw yourself in Easy Survival till you find a character that feels good to you. Good luck!
>>332518657
Thought the cast was smaller, around 11-12.
>>332518216
>poke
You're committing when you use the slide, from max range people can make it whiff and punish, and from closer range it is straight punishable.
Pokes are moves that can't be punished easily like her hard or medium punch.
And Ryu can confirm into v-trigger to do more than 40% damage and 50% stun without using any meter, Chun can't reach those numbers even if she spends EX.
>>332518489
Don't think Rashid's bad against Rainbow Michael, if you play rushdown and get into her range you're shooting yourself in the foot, but I bet Rashid could keep her out pretty well.
>>332516452
Meaning that he's currently undefeated, not a single fight has he lost in SFV.
>>332518872
Keeping her out is the problem. He has no damage from that far away and his zoning from there is mediocre at best. You have to stay in there to damage, but her buttons are ridiculous and lead to stupid damage
Tier S: Chun-Li
Tier A+: Ryu, Nash, Karin
Tier A: M. Bison, Dhalsim, Cammy, Vega, Necalli
Tier A-: Laura, Rashid, F.A.N.G.
Tier B+: Ken, R. Mika
Tier B: Birdie, Zangief
>>332517635
>overheads are only good if you can combo off them.
Are you playing SF4?
>>332519075
Move Mika up to A. Other than thag I sort of agree. Maybe move Birdie up to B
>>332519036
I dunno, you might be struggling to get the damage, but he has a horizontal travelling kick and an antiair projectile, not to mention his V-trigger helps squeeze pressure and damage. I'm sure he can fight Mika better than half the cast. That said, I don't play Rashid, I don't even know my own matchup with him, I'm playing pure theoryfighter here.
>>332518704
ryu is really fun to play in this iteration because he does so much damage and it's just satisfying doing basically anything; too bad half the players online play him so I really don't like picking him cos I'm a special snowflake
been trying to learn Mika and Gief (played mostly Cammy and Nash) but I can't really grasp grapplers too well
>>332519339
B+*
>>332519075
Tier S: Ryu
Tier A: Nash, Chun-Li
Tier B: Bison, Dhalsim, Vega, Cammy, Necalli, Rashid, Ken, Mika, Karin
Tier B-: Laura, Birdie, Zangief
TIer C: F.A.N.G
>>332516317
According to the last two majors, Ryu.
>>332516317
If you want to win with zero effort
>Karin
If you want a character that most people don't know how to punish
>Nash
If you want a cheap gimmick character for easy wins
>Mika
If you want a character that's not that good, but most players don't know how to play against
Bison
>>332519075
Move Mika and Birdie up two each, Ken up one, Vega down one, Fang down one, Chun down one.
>>332519561
This guy gets it.
>>332519385
Just think of grapples as an alternative to overhead attacks. They're basically there to punish blocking.
>>332519385
You're either a grappler player or you're not, its kind of a personality thing.
Don't try to force it, stick with what you feel comfortable with or else you will suffer.
Look at Fuudo, he is insisting on using Mika even through the character doesn't fit his personal play style at all, and because of that he gets poor results.
>>332519210
The start up of her overhead is terrible and can be thrown and can be be crush countered on reaction.
Its not a good overhead.
>>332519561
Mika is definitely mid tier.
You can tell it because whenever a grappler isn't low tier, people start calling them OP.
>>332519385
I agree Ryu can be fun, he has great ways of controlling the fight and his damage/stun output is solid if the opposing player fucks up.
>I can't really grasp grapplers too well
I'm the same way but I picked up Laura because I want to understand this kind of game play mentality for an introduction to AlexAlso she's lookin fine in that Premium Costume. Dayum.and though shes not a PURE Grappler like Mika or Gief its a good start to kind understand the pacing of one I think. Try giving her a shot and see what you think.
>>332519339
>>332519561
Mika isnt that great. Nairo got lucky and Marn is unpredictable. Theres like 1 Mika on the top 100.
Birdie is trash, everytime I fight against one on ranked is free points once you know how to deal with him.
>>332520089
No one's calling her OP though.
Everyone is calling her braindead because she has ridiculously good buttons that have no risk and massive reward. And easy, gimmicky setups. She's like low-high tier at least.
>>332520052
>CCd on reaction
Go be retarded somewhere else. Most overheads can be jabbed, you don't overhead when your autistic opponent is rolling his face on the stick hitting every button.
Stop staring at frame data you theorycrafting faggot, you would get fucked by that overhead over and over again.
>>332520089
>>332520342
A mix between Marn and a more patient/solid Mika like Nando definitely has a future in tourney play.
>>332516447
I feel your pain, brother. Worried that with Capcom cutting down on shotos that we'll be waiting a while because of "muh edgy Ru" and "muh tiger! XD"
Karin needs to be saved from the BBC by Sakura asap.
>>332519075
>Ken B+ tier
>>332520342
Birdie and F.A.N.G are the worst characters in the game, then a tier above should be Laura and Zangief, then another tier above, the rest of the cast minus Nash, Ryu and Chun-Li who are the top 3.
But the tiers are pretty close, instead of using S, A and B, i'd do like >>332519075
And use S, A+, A and B+.
>>332520910
You sound retarded, I ain't your brother.
>>332520673
Maybe but you wont see anyone winning a major. It really has problems to get in but once you are there is tier A, and tier S on corner.
There's people asking to nerf her and thats nonsense.
>>332520910
kill yourself
>>332521067
>>332520910
>muh tiger
Just make Sagat a dedicated zoner with slow movement and great range on his normals, you know, like USF4 Sagat. It hurts seeing Bonchan play Ryu like a dedicated zoner.
>>332519385
>I can't really grasp grapplers too well
Grapplers come down to fear
You make someone scared you will grab or use a certain poke and keep changing it up so they start to become a frustrated mess. This basically comes down to reads and conditioning your opponent, you really have to be controlling the match . Now it's true all characters benefit from these types of things, but grapplers you always need them to win otherwise they will just hit you out of every grab
>>332521053
Why FANG so bad? It doesnt have combo damage but the pressure he makes is great.
>>332521306
Yeah, but dude, he has no fucking damage. Not a smidgeon.
>>332521229
i hope they don't go too nuts with him
new rushdown sim is pretty cool but the game needs a few dedicated zoning characters
>>332521093
Tiers that and tiers this.
Just so you know, before being beaten by JWong, who was using Karin, a character that is considered mid tier, Marn defeated Ricky Ortiz, who was using Chun-Li, "the best character in the game" and is considered one of the best Chun players in the world.
He only lost to two people, Infiltration, who is like a NG+ lvl 99 character playing around lvl 50s, and JWong, his personal demon.
Focus on the players, not the characters please.
>>332521554
But it's widely known that Karin and Nash are top tier along with Chun.
>>332516317
Ryu.
>>332521554
>mfw Justin choked against Tokido
drops a combo and then proceeds to lose 3 games in a row. it was painful to watch
>>332521306
No damage means no comeback potential, and also means that all your work may be undone by a single combo by your opponent.
He has the same weakness Chun-Li has, which is not dealing enough damage, but none of her strengths. His pressure is better because of his poison cloud, but a single mistake can cost him the round, no matter how ahead he is, because unlike Chun-Li, his wake-up sucks.
>>332521554
GO1 or Filipinoman are better imo.
Chun-Li is also the hardest character on the game so give them some time to shine. Ricky Ortiz didnt play really well there (missed a few inputs and kept trying meaties when Marn was spamming peach ex) and Marn played like a god.
>>332521681
Where? At the same place that considered Bison and Dhalsim to be top tier before FR because players who used those characters did well in locals and online?
Maybe Karin is top because people would go OHOHOHOHOHO whenever he landed a CA?
>>332521962
>Marn
>played like a god
You best be jestin
>>332518487
He's out at 6 or 7 PM for Eurobros I think.
>>332521962
>Like a god
false god maybe, his Wake-up armor rekka worked against EVERYONE, even Infiltration, and he abused that A LOT.
Only Justin Wong remembered that it is weak against meaties since it doesn't become armored right away.
>>332522291
Ricky knew too but he got distracted by Marn tits and mistimed his meaties.
>>332522092
Well, several times in various tournaments casters and pro players mention how amazing she is, the majority of regular players say she's amazing, and Justin Wong just got third at NCR with her. Can you honestly say if he played another character beside possibly Nash he would have done that? Probably not.
>>332516317
So how does people feel about Necalli now?
I main him and some guy tried to convince me yesterday that i was cancer
Can't really see why though, he has to work for a lot and wait half a match before he gets his actual buttons.
>>332522619
Thats because Karin fits Justin Wong well. Your beloved casters even said so.
Karin is a match made in heaven for Justin, if he keeps practicing he should see a lot of success.
>>332522693
Insane frametraps, Good damage off easy confirms, Very good DP, Very good V-Trigger, Very good CCs.
>>332522693
The only think I dislike about Necalli is his buttons are kinda stubby, which is why I am planning on switching to Alex
Apart from that he is a petty fun character who has a lot of good tools, almost too many
>>332517573
Has the tools he needs but nothing outstanding and low damage means a lot of work for a win.
>>332523006
>Very good CCs.
Im gonna have you to make stop posting right there
You can only get crushcounter combos off his s.HK which has a fuck toon of start up
>>332523006
You should put the V-trigger part first. Because most of his shit only become "insane" after it.
And he really suffers without the mobility boost he gets from v-trigger.
Basically when playing Necalli your focus is to get into v-trigger as soon as you can, which can be very hard to do before you're nearing 50% life, but once you do, your mediocre character becomes the best in the game maybe.
http://www.capcom-unity.com/haunts/blog/2016/03/30/sfv-alex-and-in-game-shop-available-today
Official trailer's out.
>>332517573
He has great mobility and mobility tools, but he needs his V-trigger to make his best and most damaging setups.
Mid-tier ish I think, but needs a good player to show us what the character can really do.
>>332521554
It's a tier thread. It's early into the game's lifecycle, and we can try to form tiers in one of four ways.
>Looking at character trends in the top 1/200
I think at the moment this tells us that Bison > Nash > Ryu > everyone else. We can take a large sample and it's global, but online ranked isn't exactly the best environment for optimal play, and the results don't necessarily line up with other methods.
>Looking at major tourney results
The American events tell us that Nash > Ryu > (Chun, Karin, Necalli, Mika) > gutter trash. This is with a sample size of 2 majors with American and Asian players.
Cannes Winter Clash tells us that Laura > Bison > Nash > everyone else. Sample size of 1, almost all Euro players, totally different character preferences. If we assume Laura was a fluke or Mister Crimson is just that good, next up is Bison, who lines up with the online ranks, but is curiously absent from FR and NCR.
>Assess toolsets personally
Obviously subjective as fuck, nobody's going to agree what's important to have and how good characters are at each thing. Some people value reversals really high, but seemingly top tier characters don't have them. Seemingly top tier characters suffer a lack of decent 3f pokes as well (Ryu, for instance).
>Study and collate tier lists from different scenes
Relies on second-hand info and means our tier lists won't evolve together with new tech and matchup knowledge because it relies on scripture.
Lets rumble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9zZvfjIVQk
>>332524020
Got the full comic for that?
>>332524020
Can't wait
>>332524020
sick 1 hit combos lmao
>>332524183
http://dreaminerryday.tumblr.com/post/141637796976/to-celebrate-the-march-update-i-made-another-sfv
>>332524183
>>332519451
I get that Tokido was in finals for both of those, but why would you say Ryu when Nash won both of them?
>>332524232
Alex's weak combo game is intentional considering he's a hybrid grappler
>>332523312
And HP friend
>>332524553
more like he is fucking cancer lmao
50/50 faggotry should be removed, guessing is the cancer killing fighting games
People who are saying that Chun has low damage output need to understand that she deals damage more often (because she has more decent and consistent damage from light normals) to compensate. Her ability to deal heavy damage is neutered but she gets far more opportunities as a result.
Top 2 for me are definitely Ryu and Chun, then the rest of top 5 is Nash, Necalli, Karin.
It's hard to say where all this will go though, because I expect the meta will change rapidly as we get more characters and the tech evolves. At the moment, a lot of the game revolves around the shimmy counter hit, and I expect that to change soon.
>>332524586
His HP and c.HP does CC yes but they launch.
So the only thing you can get after is a DP or a CA if you have it on deck
>>332521053
wrong about birdie.
>>332524708
he has a hard time with mika and laura but hes even or beats everyone else
Can the new premium costumes be bought with fight money or do I have to use real money?
>>332525102
The premium part is kind of a give away
>>332524932
The fuck?
Are you high? Birdie gets bodied by almost everyone kek.
Laura and Gief could be the only two characters he can put a fight against by keeping them out with his long range normals and v-skill. But lately I noticed that he gets bodied by Gief too because of iron muscle, and probably by Laura too as soon as she gets a hit in.
Birdie is extremely free against buttons on his wake-up, all of his buttons are shit once the other guy is on your face, so you have to be always on point with your anti-airs and your pokes.
>>332523312
>I am retarded: the post
>>332524932
>even or beats everyone else
He gets fucking raped by Nash, its 8-2 basically.
He loses to almost everyone though, you can just go nuts and Birdie cannot do anything.
I'm new to the fighting games genre.
Should I focus on one character or do all the trials for all the characters, learn some basic combos etc.?
Also, I think I like Karin the most so far. Is she an okay character for a beginner?
>>332525771
The trials are easy, you can easily do everyone in an hour or two.
But focus on one character. Hopping around will just leave you sucking with everyone.
>>332518147
I've always been saying Bison was good, just not top tier.
>>332525815
It took me like an hour to pass the first four Ryu trials.
Guess I really suck.
>>332525771
Trials are a good way to figure what everyone is about and what you like so worth a try. With that said focusing on one character is a better way to learn in teh long run
Many say you should always play Ryu for a bit first being a character that the game is based around. This makes sense as a statement but you shouldn't feel trapped in him and he won't teach you everything, if you really want to play someone else you will learn the game with them.
>Also, I think I like Karin the most so far. Is she an okay character for a beginner?
She has a lot going on that might seem a bit overwhelming as you don't understand what they are for, at the same time it is a good way to learn
Chun and Nash are top for sure
Rest is debatable
Any Birdiebois in here? How do I play against Ken players that go absolutely nuts on me?
ps I only just got to bronze rank.
>>332526336
Zone em out. Hit em wit dem chains you know? If they in your face just sit tight and pray for an opening to throw. If he jumps, hit em wit dat anti air headbutt and begin mixups.
Ken is really easy actually
>feelio when you bought a couple of beers and wanted to spend today playing ranked
>servers are down during all the free time I have
I fucking refuse to believe you need 6 hours to apply a fucking patch, we had maintenance a few days ago.
>>332526336
I don't play Birdie, but I suspect controlling space by throwing a banana or can will either open up an opportunity to combo or anti-air him.
Who /Vega/ here? Am I correct in saying he isn't very combo-heavy or am I playing him wrong? His play style seems to revolve around his slide, air grab and wall jumps.
>>332525574
birdie sucks vs rushdown but he absolutely bodies shotos and other fair characters.
See that one Jp birdie bodying Daigos ryu for like 20 rounds thats somewhere on youtube.
>>332526336
If he gets in, block and pray, you could try to get cute with ex-bullcharge on wakeup and hope he mistimes the meaty. Its his game to lose once he gets in though, so you better never let it happen.
>>332525771
Karin is good in a way that she's not easy, but she forces you to play on fundamentals which is really important for new players. I'd say stick with her
Now that Alex is out, which of the first batch of DLC characters are you looking forwards to the most?
>>332526637
Combo heavy characters in Street Fighter have always been the exception rather than the rule.
>>332526336
learn to use the advancing guard or whatever, its your best way to get someone off of you.
>>332526930
Ibuki.
A+: Chun
A-: Dhalsim, Nash, Rashid
B: Literally everyone else
C: Fang, Zangief
Trust me, im j.wong
>>332526696
Maybe he did body shots during the betas when nobody understood the character.
but now that everybody knows the range of his chain, and how to punish his dive, he can be bullied by everyone, most of his moves are gimmicky.
If you can't form your own opinions on which characters are the most viable from playing the game, then you don't need to know who is top tier.
Chun and Nash at the top, then Ryu right after. The rest don't really matter, except Zangief because he fucking sucks.
>>332526930
CRUSH
KILL
DESTROY
>>332526930
Alex was who I waited for, but I really want to see Ibuki's and Urien's redesigns
We've seen everyone else's in story
>>332527146
Zangief is at least better than fang, birdie and laura, and Ryu is definitely better than Nash and possibly Chun-Li
>BUT INFILTRATION BODIED EVERYONE 2-0 IN FR AND NRC
yes, including other Nash players, your point?
>>332520556
There is no need for name calling just because you're terrible at proving your point.
The overhead isn't good and if you're getting hit by it you're a terrible player. You can hear it and you can see when its going to happen. Its mostly only safe during her v trigger mix up its not a good move unless otherwise.
Stop being bad and stop trying to be bad at proving your point.
So will yurop have to wait till tomorrow to play alex?
>>332527406
>Urien
>redesign
Dude in a loincloth, possibly minus bindi
>>332527029
no its recent
http://youtu.be/qCwTZP6CIrs
Birdie gets around fireballs for free and just has godlike normals to fuck shotos over.
>>332527420
>yes, including other Nash players, your point?
Same thing could be said about ryu you fucking retard. Hes average or slightly above it
>>332527473
I think he made his point pretty well you seem like an all talk type of faggot
>>332527473
>Its mostly only safe during her v trigger mix up its not a good move unless otherwise.
You just showed me you don't know shit. It's the same fucking move during v-trigger, except people actually expect it.
Stop being braindead and I will stop with the name calling.
>>332527639
Okay then, why is Nash better than Ryu?
>inb4 you list all of his strengths while ignoring his weaknesses.
what are bisons best frametraps?
>>332527623
Yeah but that one picture with all the dlc makes it look like he's in the suit
Ryu isn't average
>j.lk's hitbox is broken as fuck and stuffs anti-airs
>s.mp is gdlk
>his Super guard breaks
>does GREAT damage
>solid neutral game like every iteration of Ryu
I don't think he's the best character but he's top 5 easily.
>>332527891
>urien normally fights in his suit
>vtrigger makes it rip off and he goes full pillarmen mode
>>332527970
I wish he would but ripping cloth is hard in 3d
>>332527473
just ffy, you've been saying shit as if Chun's framedata got better during v-trigger but it stays the same.
The hitstun becomes a little longer though, which makes it possible to do new combos, but that is the full extent of her v-trigger, which isn't much, because the advantage/disadvantage on block is the same.
I keep getting my ass handed to me as Ryu. It seems like the cast has a counter to every tool i have. But i know i'm just shit because Tokido reks with him.
Chun > Nash > Ryu >>>>> Dhalsim > Bison > Vega > Cammy > Karin > Rashid > Necalli > Mika > Birdie > Laura > Zangief > Fang
Game should have monthly balance patches like MOBAs to keep meta players on their toes.
>>332528150
Who gives you the most trouble?
>>332527623
The jewel is in his skull it's not some gay indian dot
>>332527838
Speaking of Nash weaknesses, what's a good Anti-air for Nash? C.MP is finicky as fuck.
>>332527632
>Daigo
Dude you do know that he didn't play during the betas at all right?
He was new still green as fuck in March 8th. Heck, he is still pretty shit even today, but I doubt he would fall for the shit he did during this "recent" 22 days old video.
>>332528328
>this is the reason we haven't had OPM updates
fuck murata
>>332528418
>new chapter literally yesterday
>>332517101
>>332518126
I know people are just going to call me a scrub, but I really wish Chun-Li did a bit more damage than she does.
I swear to god Ryu and others can do way more damage with the same or even less effort.
>>332528206
>bison, vega, cammy above karin, necali, mika
Stop posting
>>332528206
All characters are pretty even to be honest, zangief is not bad its just that the only good player on him is snake eyes and imo hes playing the char wrong and Ryu is not that strong but theres a lot of good players on him atm.
Chun and nash are a bit above everyone but they are no S tier by any stretch.
>>332528332
ex-sonic scythe. That's it.
Nash has a hard time with AA unless he has meter. c.HP needs strict timing too.
>>332528332
St.mk, st.hk, cr.hp. F.lk if they try to empty jump you or you can use it to propel yourself forward from crossups like sim's slide. Ex-scythe for characters who can change their jump arcs.
Nash has hella anti-airs.
>>332528558
Chun would be broken if she did more damage
Are there any Kakurakukyaku setups out there? Chun's downforward HK, the crossup shit. I assume it can hit really weird at certain ranges.
Top 3 is Sim, Ryu, and Chun-li
Some will say Nash because Infilitration is killing it with him right now , but he really isn't. Nash his high mid tier.
As for who is the definite best. I say Ryu is the most OP. Most will say Chun-li is 1st. Most will agree that Dhalsim rounds it out at 3rd either way.
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>>332526589
>>332526794
>>332526992
Thanks for the tips! I'll try to put it into practice.
>>332526930
Urien! I'm really curious how they will update his moveset, if at all
have been out of the loop for a while, waiting until my semester is done before buying the game
weren't people saying sim sucked in the beta? what changed?
>>332528979
People actually learned the character. His keepaway game is fucking stellar and he has some fast buttons, too. Plus, he is quite slippery due to his teleport.
>>332527710
It's literally not the same move. It's safe in vtrigger only and you can't combo off of it without v trigger.
>>332529185
It's -2 with or without v-trigger. Just jab Chun after it you fucking retard. How can you be a theoryshitter and still be so uneducated?
>>332528830
Why the fuck is ryu Top 3? Like literally tell me why, his damage is below or 300 just like everyone else in the cast and his poking game is not as good as Chun.
inb4 muh mid punch, everyone has that kind of medium buttons except shitty characters like fang
Just because tokido is killing it with him it doesnt make him top3, just above average
>>332517573
Probably the most techanical mixup oriented character in all of SF with the most movement options, but who cares about that gay shit when you can just play Nash and spam sonic.
>>332517871
I was not a fan of this skin all the way up until I saw this. It's now my favorite skin.
>>332528584
The problem with Snake Eyez is that he only ever uses his c.LP and sometimes throws random charged HPs, when his s.MK, f.MK are both good buttons too. And he should stop using v-trigger at random he should stick to using it as a punish against slow buttons and fireballs, or during combos, just randomly pulling people in is super gimmicky.
Also, recently he started to take a liking in blowing his CA as soon as he gets a c.LP confirm, while it sounds good on paper, it actually isn't because it gives the opponent a lot of v-trigger and empties his bar, which he could be using to land EX-SPDs to build stun with the CA doesn't do at all, so basically he gives up the chance to stun his opponent for the illusion of having an early lead, meaning he should have watched Daigo's stream.
>>332529331
>Like literally tell me why, his damage is below or 300 just like everyone else in the cast
Ryu's damage is clearly very good in this game.
>Able to take off like 30%-40% damage with a single combo
Yeah, "average".
>>332529312
> still ignoring that it's a different move because it combos in vtrigger
Ryu's super does way too much damage.
>>332529628
I thought that change was obvious so I didn't include that. Being able to combo off of it was never really part of our discussion, you were going on about how you would never get hit by an overhead and it's safe in v-trigger.
>>332529626
thats on v trigger or super ready
Literally anyone else can do that aswell, are you stupid?
who is top tier waifu should be the real question. for me its karin
>>332529796
Sakura.
>>332529678
is it weird i think ryu is really cool in this game?
>>332529789
>thats on v trigger or super ready
The fuck it is.
>Literally anyone else can do that aswell, are you stupid?
Ryu also doesn't have to expend as much effort to combo into that much damage either.
>>332529796
Alex
>>332529840
heh our waifus are rivals...
>>332529678
Ryu's super doesn't even do that much damage though, at least not compared to the likes of Nash's, Ken's, Gief's, etc.
>>332529796
Chun Li is still qtest
Post Karin feet
>>332529789
With v-trigger activation alone he can do 40% damage off most openers, with v-trigger activation AND CA, I've been able to do up to 620 damage.
This game feels like 3rd Strike.
how do you play charge characters? I cant do the inputs to save my life.
>>332530439
The same way you play motion characters, sit in training mode until you can do it consistently.
>>332529789
>thats on v trigger or super ready
I've been following some of the shit Daigo was spouting lately and it looks like the japanese center their gameplay around Ryus super use.
He does seem to be the best character for that.
>>332518704
I felt like choosing my starter pokémon reading your post. Congratulations.
>>332518128
I love how much of a blatant slut she is. They don't even try to hide it.
>>332527920
>Super gaurdbreaks
Too bad you don't get dick off it.
>>332526930
Urien. Gotta get my main back
Is Alex out yet? I'm watching the CS major and don't want to open SF if he's not.
>>332527406
We've seen Ibuki as well
>>332526930
Ibuki or Juri. Probably Ibuki though, she's so cute!
>>332531014
There's maintenance right now, he'll be up in a few hours
>>332526930
Balrog or Urien. Everyone else is meh
>>332530254
Yup
>>332531018
>>332531018
Not him but when?
>>332531018
Only in school which I doubt will be her main costume
>>332530414
It doesn't feel anything like 3rd strike
>>332531153
Mika story
>>332531014
10 AM PDT so 20 more minutes
>>332531164
probably her story costume
>tfw my roommate plays smash and started SF with this game
>he plays Ryu
>insists Ryu is bottom tier and is bad, but thinks Gief takes no skill and is easy
help
>>332530254
Tatsunoko Chun-li is cutest Chun-li.
>>332531073
Am I mistaken, or did they noyhave the servers down for the last six hours in preparation for a 10:00 A.M. release? Why a few more hours? Wait never mind, it's Capcom.
>>332531256
Oh.I don't actually have the game yet and probably won't for a while longer.
>>332528206
Pretty sure MOBAs have yearly balance patches.
>>332531314
If you're an absolute newbie to the game Gief is a lot harder to play against than Ryu. Newbies usually dont really understand how Gief works so they dont know how to fight him.
>>332530254
>>332531139
>>332531325
My niggas
I'm starting to waifu Chun-Li pretty damn hard, although honestly, SF is filled to the brim with top-tier waifus.
>>332531402
>memories of playing SFIV as a super scrub and getting my shit wrecked by random Zangiefs
>>332519075
>Birdie
>Bottom
Not my fault the losers using him in tournaments don't know what to do.
>>332529331
Ryu has options for every situation. DP, Projectile, amazing sweep, 3f jab, good crossup. Not only that but he has the highest damage output than any character in the game, and off of very simple basic combos. Just a simple fhp into dp does about 30% damage. That's just insane.
>>332516317
I someone can tell who make this
i wil give him a ta daronne
So I just watched gameplay of Pokken on Maximillians channel, and I got to say it looks 10x better than SF:V and way more fun. Anyone play it yet.
>>332529789
j.hk, mp, c.hp xx h.dp 314/500 meterless
>>332530414
ayy lmao
>>332531314
This just in: new SF players are stupid and don't understand the game
More at 6: water is wet
V is the first SF game my friend has ever seriously tried to play, and when I play against him all he does is just get mad.
>WHY DOES THAT HIT ME YOU WERENT EVEN FACING ME
>The hitbox for her kick extends behind her
>THATS STUPID YOU WERENT FACING ME WITH ME WITH THE KICK IT SHOULDNT HIT ME
>WHY THE FUCK DIDNT THAT HIT YOU THAYS BULLSHIT
>the hit box for it is small and went over my head
>WELL THE MODEL TOUCHED YOU A BIT THIS GAME IS FUCKING STUPID
>you just need to understand the hitboxes for the moves
>I SHOULDNT HAVE TO DO THAT EVERYTHINF SHOULD BE BASED ON MODELS
>>332531672
Thats on a H jump in, anyone can do 300+ on a hp, hk jump in. Try again.
Try again
Cammy and Ryu are the most honest characters, prove me wrong
>>332531719
YES! YES! shame on those who arent used to capcom craptacular hit/hurt boxes. how dare they not be used to that sort of shitty and lame and dumb shit
>>332531719
That's not fair, I'm new to SF and I understand the game just fine. I'm just fucking terrible at it. Sounds like you just have retarded friends.
>>332529796
Kinda hard to choose now that they're all thick, but imma go with Ms Thunder Thighs.
>>332526336
Bronze Ken players seem to always spam shoryuken, especially on wake-up. So just block them and get those cc combos for easy wins
>>332531972
MAINTENANCE COMPLETE
SERVER RETURN IMMINENT
>>332531719
He's right though. You shouldn't have to imagine invisible boxes around every single thing on screen in order to play the game. It's stupid. Getting used to it doesn't make it less stupid.
They fucked up bison so bad, just kill me
>Juicebox playing bisons on his stream, committed to holding downback and teching any throws
>Manages to drag every round to 0 seconds and Bison cant do shit
kill me
>>332531719
Is your friend used to hitscan based fighters? I came from MK9 to SF 4 and fucking hated it due to weird hitboxes not matching the models properly.
>>332531719
He's right about models desu
>>332531719
>pick Ferra/Thorr in MKX and molest a guy from fullscreen and with armored moves
>he gets buttmad
>he finally decides to buy SFV
>pick Birdie and molest him from fullscreen and with armored moves
>he goes "Dont pick that THING"
>>332532073
>Server immedeatly crashes due to people trying to get on
#calledit
>>332516317
for the 1m fight money trophy, do you need it all at once or can I buy the costumes and not worry about setting myself back?
>>332516317
Not the developers
Not even touching tier placings, but I gotta say, Chun's st.lk is a load of horse shit.
Even if you space yourself to the point where a jump in will lead to a crossup, the hitbox on her st.lk will still AA you.
>>332531719
Hes mostly right though, however shitty capcom hitboxes do make some hilarious moments
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>>332532075
>>332531863
Spot the 016ers
Go back to MK
>>332532137
Call edit?
