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So, why does nobody talk about Persona 2?
I can understand 1 not being everybody's cup of tea, but Innocent Sin and especially Eternal Punishment trimmed all of the first game's bullshit and had beautiful stories.
What were the sales like for Revelations and Eternal Punishment initially in the west?
Also, when the fuck is P5 coming out?
P2IS is generally recognized as the best game in the series among non-waifushitters.
And the PS games didn't sell worth a shit outside Japan.
It's hard for newfags to get into P2, it's tedious.
thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krgJbSv8ejM
DAN > *
I was talking about Persona 2 a week or ago ago as I just recently went through Persona 1, IS, and EP. Was going to start the third tonight, but someone wants me to translate porn for them instead.
I liked the first game, it has the best soundtrack (PSX version). I liked IS more than EP, EP felt kind of unnecessary.
>>332475115
Innocent sin was better than Eternal Punishment. However they were definitely the best in the Persona series. They were just not very popular in the west so not many people here have played them. Imo I enjoyed the mainline SMT games more particularly 1-3 and Strange Journey. SMT II is far more overlooked than Persona 2 is and I find it had a better story.
>>332476316
>EP felt kinda unncessary
Trust me, Persona 3 has an expansion that makes EP look like the best sequel of all time.
Admittedly, while I did feel kind of ripped that EP butchered the last third of IS, EP felt strong enough to stand on it's own with a different cast.
>>332475115
Love Persona 2. Only way I would have liked it more is if it had 1's first person dungeons.
>>332475115
Persona 2 was great, I like it much more than the other games in the series, but I wish it was more difficult and less tedious. It's not much of a challenge to go through all of Innocent Sin with the default Personas.
What's there to talk about?
It's an excellent game - but it really does lack the staying power of P3/P4.
It's also hard to get into, it's unforgiving, and there's no waifu shit.
It also had a perfect ending.
>>332476876
Well, while I made the thread with P2 as a basis, it's not exactly a far cry to talk about the other games and compare.
I was wondering what the general opinion of some of the browsers of the board was, honestly.
It and P1 never really get talked about unless it's from those who haven't played them and are stating such.
>>332476876
>no waifu shit
true and yet goddamn maya's one of the only girls in this entire series that appeals to me.
>>332476613
Oh, so I'm not the only person who liked the first person dungeons.
>>332477918
Shame they made her a mute in Eternal Punishment.
>>332475115
The fusion in 2 is easily worse than any of the other games due to the tarot system, 1 on the psp had awesome auto that made the game not tedious now. I agree about innocent sin, it is easy enough to beat without fusion. but eternal punishment is just a pain all around, best girl now silent protagonist, and I got half way through before tedium and boredom caused me to quit. The story was just as goofy as innocent sin but the character weren't as endearing.
>>332475968
>non-waifushitters
is waifushitter just code word for anyone who disagrees with your opinion.
>>332477995
>and I got half way through before tedium and boredom caused me to quit.
That's alright, it doesn't start getting interesting until the third to last dungeon anyway.
>>332475115
i should try it one of these days
>>332475115
Because of P3/P4 faggots who think those games are the end all be all of everything.
>>332478167
I was kind of disappointed as I did like IS, and I wanted to see how EP it concluded as the ending to IS was kinda depressing but I just found EP too tedious to be enjoyable. Maybe there were changes to the psp versions of 1 and IS that made the experience more enjoyable.
My only complaint about the P2 duology is the encounter rate.
I love everything else.
>>332478628
I'll give you 1, but I think the changes to the battle system ISP made were horrendous. The battles that felt like they had a continuous flow became a slog.
I will say, EP has it's share of bullshit but my God the ending's worth it.
>>332478628
I played the PSP version and I found it pretty lackluster myself. I think I would have enjoyed it more if I didn't know what had happened in IS. Since I did, I was waiting to continue where IS left off, but that didn't happen until the ass end of the game, until then it was, as you know, just concerned about an evil organization doing things behind the scenes, which would have been more interesting had I not already known basically what was going on because I knew who the real puppet master was.
>>332478892
You actually think the PSX version's battle systems were better? First time I've heard that. I haven't played the PSX versions though so I can't say. Maybe next time.
>>332475968
>P2IS is generally recognized as the best game in the series among non-waifushitters.
When you say series, do you mean Persona or Megami Tensei as a whole?
'cause i'll agree if it's just Persona and disagree if it's all Megami Tensei.
>>332478841
Yeah that was pretty fucking shit. It drove me insane. There's always Estoma, but then I feel like I'm gimping myself by missing out on EXP and money.
>>332479072
Well, as much as I like the conveniences added to the PSP version like being able to set multiple fusions, menu navigation was made slow as all hell and the lack of the strategy menu made setting said strategies slower than it used to be.
There's a reason EP on PSP reverted back to the PSX battle system, along with the benefits of ISP.
Cool story and characters, great soundtrack, shitty gameplay. I hate to say it, but every single other Persona game has much less tedious gameplay. Yes, even Persona 1 was more fun. There were neat ideas with the combo spells, but the way they were set up made them way too good not to spam every single fight, which made them boring to use after awhile. Getting new Personas was such a grind and not worth it unlike in 1 before it. I want to get through IS, but whenever I pick it back up I am reminded why I dropped it in the first place.
>trimmed all of the first game's bullshit
>add that godawful dungeon crawling with random battles every second, worse than DDS
>now you have to gather 468465465 cards to summon a single persona instead of just getting the fucking card like in 1
That bein said, thank god the game had less magic/phys attack types and status ailment, now you can change persona without wasting a turn and fusion spells.
>
>>332479480
>Yes, even Persona 1 was more fun
I thought I was alone in thinking this.
>>332479941
No you're not alone.
>>332475968
nah, I've played 1,2, and 3 and they've all gotten better each iteration
I really don't want to touch 4 though, especially after the adachi spoiler meme
>>332479941
I actually really liked Persona 1 after awhile. Either it was Stockholm Syndrome developing or it was finally getting good personas. The party members were also pretty cool. I fucking love Batman aka Japan's #1.
When you people mention EP on PSP, are you talking about the actual Japan exclusive PSP version, or the US PSN version?
Because the US PSN version was literally just a port of the old US PS1 version. Not a remake like PSP IS is.
>>332480401
Yeah that kinda sucked. I had to control myself and not Megido/Megidora everything with the same character or two so that everyone else could get some EXP. At least characters still earn EXP even if they're dead at the end of battle, assuming they got some turns.
EP started to get really good after that shitty Underwater Ruin place.
Then you realize that's like the last 5% of the game and you get dumped into the final dungeon without warning.
Unless the Muhnado Mandela is really long I just lost interest.
>>332480194
Spoilers in P4 really don't matter, adachi literally just doesn't matter in the game until the end. It mainly focuses on SOL elements. they kinda fix the out of the blueness of the P4 ending by adding adachi and marie social links but the main narrative is never the focus of the game.
>mfw Piercy is the only protag whose shadow isn't a dick
>thinks he's a cool guy
>plays videogame all day
>casually mentions the other thousand self
>gives him the ultimate persona
>>332480194
Adachi isn't the real culprit anyway. There is still a twist or two after him. Don't worry about it.
>>332480761
>yfw Piercy is Arino
>>332480586
>after that shitty Underwater Ruin place.
Thats when I stopped playing, after that hard battle against the return of kandori, which was actually sweet, I wish there was somewhere I could recap the events of the game before trying to beat it this summer, it has been a long while since I've played and there is no way I will start over from the start.
>>332480979
Next Dungeon conveniently summarizes IS. So that's halfway there.
Something something Mummy Head cult for EP.
Reminder that the original director for the Persona series, Tadashi, made a self-insert for Persona 2 so he could be with his waifu
>>332481371
Who Tatsuya? Well seeing what happens I really doubt that.
>>332481464
This dude.
>Tadashi's presence being scraped off from Eternal Punishment is the result of fans' complaints that the writer used the series to express his personal admiration for the female idol Yuki Uchida whom Tamaki Uchida is modelled after.
>>332481776
forgot picture
>>332481776
Oh I forgot about Tadashi. I like to think that they broke up later or something.
>>332482020
Self-insert in this case means he literally put himself into the game, and not in a cool cameo way like kaneko as the demon painter.
>>332482020
I think it was said in game that he was chased away by ninjas.
>>332482168
Yeah and like I said, I forgot that he put himself in the earlier Persona games, like I am pretty sure he was in Persona 1.
>>332480247
I'm the one who's talking about the battle system. The actual, Japan only re-release of EP on PSP uses the PSX battle system as a base, adding the benefits of ISP like being able to set multiple fusions in the menu.
>>332481776
>female idol Yuki Uchida whom Tamaki Uchida
Neat didnt know that
>>332481776
>fans' complaints that the writer used the series to express his personal admiration for the female idol Yuki Uchida whom Tamaki Uchida is modelled after.
>There was a time when the Persona fan base was against waifu fags
>literally one game later the fan base is nothing but waifu fags.
Amazing.
>>332482749
Huh, never thought about that before.
>>332482749
One game and six years later, mind you.
The old fans probably moved on with their adult lives making stable income.
Both IS and EP are god tierm but EP really suffers from Maya being silent. Atlus should get over their faggotry and realize silent protagonists don't always work.
On another note, it's funny seeing tumblr trying to force Tatsuya and Jun, since EP pretty clearly tries to push Maya and Tatsuya.
Also, both Maya and Tatsuya are the best protagonists, hands down. Hell, I'd argue EP Tatsuya is the outright best character.
>>332484019
On that note, those who played EP to the end
>Take me with you!
or
>Tatsuya, thank you for everything...
>>332484541
>Take me with you!
Every time. It's hard to not play Maya breaking down in that situation considering the ending outright confirms she did love Tatsuya. It's the ultimate tragedy and a good mirror to IS and Tatsuya's very similar freakout. Hell, in a sense, Tatsuya is 'dying' too.
>>332484541
>Take me with you!
And as for IS
>Punch him
>>332484778
Honestly, I loved having the option to make Maya a complete asshole and in the case of Katsuya, a complete tease, but I'd much rather have her not be silent.
The way the game is scripted really gives the impression she wasn't meant to be.
>>332485103
>Punch him
Good lad
So how do you Persona 1/2 fans feel about Persona 3 and 4? Are you interested in Persona 5?
>>332485183
Yeah, I played her as a tease too, but I was surprised the first time the game said she loved Tatsuya. I've tried to find a translation of the Japanese equivalent, but I've found none. It's a funny flip, depending on how you play both. In Innocent Sin, Tatsuya is immature (considering he can, and you should always choose this option, punch Philly and then outright dooms another world because he's selfish) and becomes mature over the course of Eternal Punishment. That's why I always choose to give Maya a bit of her own immaturity by wanting to stay with Tatsuya. I kinda wish she was able to go with him and there were multiple endings; one where Tatsuya and Maya from the original timeline rebuild a world together but she and him never meet int he other timeline, and one where she forever has to keep her distance from Tatsuya. It's sad either way.
But yep, she was actually not supposed to be silent in the additional Tatsuya scenario include dwith the EP remake (which is god tier, by the way) but the fucks at Atlus said no, of course.
>>332485509
Persona 3 was a good game. Different writers means different ideas; what matters is that it kept the spirit of the series. Persona 4 had a bit too much hijinks, but was also good and not given enough credit for what it did.
All the spinoffs, especially DAN, are trash.
>>332485715
>I've tried to find a translation of the Japanese equivalent, but I've found none.
Tell me where it is and I'll try to find it. I played the Japanese version a couple weeks ago and I'm pretty sure there was a point where you could have her profess her love.
>>332485854
Not him, but are you a native speaker or did you learn the language? If so, how long have you been learning?
>>332485854
Well there's the ending choices in the english version.
>Take me with you!
Is basically her saying she loves him and
>Tatsuya, thank you for everything...
Is more vague. The line I'm talking about is at 3:57 in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2idf7na41s
>The spectre has retreated to the deep corners of the subconscious; so too has her love, retreated to a world beyond her reach.
>>332485715
How long is the Tatsuya scenario? Is it like the Snow Queen quest from Persona?
I'm still waiting for the translation so I have an excuse to finish with the "complete" story.
P2 Batsu psp eng patch when
>>332486017
English native, I started studying three years ago.
>>332485509
3>1>4>2
Yeah i'm looking forward for 5, though im pissed at Atlus for saying nothing about a IV Final release.
>>332485715
>All the spinoffs, especially DAN, are trash
I liked Q, some of the best dungeon design in persona series, lol
>>332486117
No, not quite another route. It's a few chapters and mostly dialogue at times. I haven't' ACTUALLY played it, but I'd guess it's a fair 5~6 hour romp.
Sweet fucking writing, though. Tatsuya really comes into his own character when you see EP from his eyes. He's an angry young fellow and it's quite depressing.
>>332486107
Oh that part. The Japanese version using the word 大切, which can be translated as beloved, though it can also be translated as important or cherished or several other things. The point is, it indicates someone or something that is very dear. So, yeah it's basically the same in the English version.
>>332486535
>version using
version uses*
>>332482749
Anon, they were complaining because he stole their waifu.
Some of them might have even killed themselves over it, or sent death threats.
>>332486535
When it says beloved in the Japanese version, is it vague? The word beloved could mean like a brother.
Innocent sin is my personal favourite. yet to play Eternal Punishment, because I can't be fucked making a NA PSN account to grab it. I started with 3, then moved on to 4 then decided to play the earlier games. While they're less polished, they're a tonne of fun.
>>332479090
>Persona thread
Gee, I wonder.
>>332486203
Any tips for someone who just finished learning the kana? I'm not exactly sure what to do from here.
>>332479941
You're not. P2's gameplay is just straight up bad.
>yfw we will never get a final boss theme this epic ever again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR9wfBrB9T4
>>332486620
It could mean that, yeah. If they wanted to spell it out they would probably have gone with 愛する者 or something. So you could take it however you wanted it in the Japanese version. She definitely loves him, but how she loves him is up to you.
>>332486767
Did you just grind them or something? I started with Genki, it can be slow, but it does a nice not explaining things. There's also Tae Kim's grammar guide which is much briefer, but I wouldn't recommend it starting out because of that. You can try it though, I just read through it after finishing Genki I, I never read Genki II because it had gotten too slow by that point.
Read. It's never too early to start reading. And don't neglect listening practice, that's something I should be better at by now than I am, but I ignored it because I prefer to just read things.
>>332487104
What's the outright confirmation of love line your referred to earlier? That Maya can say? What does it translate to?
>>332487104
I did some grinding on them. Once I could recognise them by eye, I practiced writing them out. I know the differences between Hiragana and Katakana, like the contexts they're used in. The utilisation of Ya Yu & Yo, the dakuten, handakuten.
I may start with Genki as I've had that laying about in a folder for God knows how long, better to keep going while I have the drive than to stagnate. Thanks for the pointers.
>>332487015
>Playing the Tatsuya scenario and hearing this in the long awaited Suou vs. Sudou 1v1
>>332487298
I said I thought there was an option for it somewhere in the end, I could be wrong though, I might have gotten it confused with something else, I can't seem to find it.
>>332487493
The other guys all died in my Sudou fight so it was 1 vs 1 anyway.
Of course Tatsuya was like 20 levels above him but still.
>>332487493
Goddamn, both versions of the opening in Eternal Punishment were perfect as well. FUCKING TRANSLATE IT ATLUS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1bgbfEPUog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNazoPO-3-w
>>332475968
>among non-waifushitters
It's weird because Lisa's superior to any of those cunts from 3 or 4. The real thing is that most people got into Persona via P3 or especially P4. Innocent Sin is only going to be had (outside of emulating which they're likely too lazy to do) if you have a PSP or Vita.
P4 especially is a lot more generically anime which is going to appeal to most of the people who'd still be interested in JRPGs in 2016. Yuichiro Tanaka's a fucking shit tier writer but is great at the generic anime shit they eat up so they'd probably bitch if Satomi came back to write a proper Persona game.
>>332488713
Samefagging but I'd say the fact that Atlus has memory holed anything before P3 doesn't help as well. It'd be really nice to have someone like Katsuya or Eikichi or Yukino or whoever show up again but they won't because those games just aren't as popular as P3 and P4.
Only subhumans like persona.
>>332477918
All P2 girls are good, each one a goddess.
>>332488713
Stop it guys, you're making me afraid to play Persona 3. Which may be a good thing I guess, lower expectations and be pleasantly surprised.
>>332488924
I want P1 Protag to just show up out of nowhere since he didn't really have any followup concerning what happened to him, did he?
>>332489206
P1&2 are a lot different than P3&4. Heck, you don't even fight demons in 3 and 4.
>>332489361
I always wondered why they changed the utility of the shadows? It did nothing but make for less enemy variety.
>>332489361
Yeah I've heard. I guess it doesn't really matter what you fight, but it's a shame still. And the fact that Philemon doesn't appear (not really anyway. I've heard he shows up as a blue butterfly occasionally... which is weird considering he was a gold butterfly in the previous games). But if I want to fight demons again I'll just play the mainline SMT games (which I plan to do sometime after I finish Persona 3 and 4).
>>332489581
People say he's the butterflies you see in some of the animated cutscenes as well as at the pre-boss savepoints.
>>332489542
Yeah, I don't know why they changed demons to shadows either. Maybe it was to differentiate it further from the mainline SMT games.
I just wanted to say
>that cave behind the shrine in IS
Probably the best part of the game.
Well I have to say, I'm impressed this thread got as far as it did, wanna stay but it's way too late.
So looong
>>332490805
Who's this handsome fellow
Starting with P4 and going to P2 is a hard transition. I want to finish it because I like the characters and story but the battles just aren't fun. It's really slow and you might as well use nothing but fusion spells from what I've seen.
How can I improve my gameplay experience
>>332492502
Do you do demon contacts in between battles?
>>332493128
Sometimes, yeah. Should I do it more often?
Since you dont recruit the demons like in SMT its far less enticing to me
>>332493552
You get fun dialogue, free shit if you do it right, and you can even have them spread rumors, IIRC.
>>332492502
I started with Persona 1 and I still didn't find the battles in Persona 2 fun. It wasn't so bad in IS because I could just spam a few super powered fusion attacks, but in EP I actually had to pay attention.
>>332492502
P2 has awful gameplay. Even borrowed SMT staples like demon negotiation and fusion are handled terribly in P2.
You either suffer through it for the sake of the plot and characters or you drop the game. There is no improving it.
If anyone's still here, is it worth it to max all social links on a first playthrough of Persona 3? It sounds like a bit of a pain in the ass, but I've heard that you can only get the best Persona from maxing them, which is great for an optional boss. I'm not actually sure if I'll attempt the optional dungeon my first time or not, so maybe I should save it for a second playthrough. Is there any point to doing it on a first playthrough if you're unsure of tackling that boss?
Aside from that, are there any recommended S links to concentrate on? I'm not sure if some carry some particularly great rewards/Persona or not.
>>332497515
P3 has a New Game + (Or maybe that was FES?) so I'd save an optional boss for that if you aren't already sick of P3 by then.
Oh and I doubt the ultimate persona would help anyway against her becauseshe's cheap as shit
>>332499241
>Cheap optional bosses
Gee, there's a fucking surprise. I'll save it for a second playthrough.
