How did we go from this...
to this?
Old Iron King vs Pinwheel.
Who would win?
>>332457618
>>332457653
B-Team
>>332457618
>>332457653
Neither were good fights, Dragon God was marginally better due to the intimidation factor. I hope there are some puzzle bosses in DaS3, the series has been missing cool shit like the Storm Ruler even though the fights aren't that hard when you work out how to do them.
Dragon God was terrible to actually fight. Annoying puzzle boss.
>>332458063
>I hope there are some puzzle bosses in DaS3
I have some good news for you
>>332458063
>Neither were good fights
Dragon God was a good fight.
>>332458072
>WAAH I was too stupid to figure out how to kill him so I read a guid
>>332458268
It looked cool, but it wasn't that fun to play.
Puzzle bosses in non-puzzle games are usually shitty.
>>332458268
Oh yes, the ol' "git gud" defense.
I did git gud, didn't make the fight any better designed or fun. It was just
>run to place where the bad hitboxes won't get you
>wait for attack to finish
>run to ballista and fire it
>repeat until last "form"
>kill him quickly and easily because he's a fucking joke
Please go play DeS again.
Demon's Souls had shit bosses as well. They weren't all great.
>>332457618
He's off his roids man.
>>332457653
to this?
>>332458505
>>332458629
>blaming the game instead of yourself
Hi DSP.
>>332458839
B TEAM CONFIRMED
>>332458686
>not liking adjudicator
>>332458876
You're right, obviously there's no such thing as good or bad design. Action 52 is a masterpiece, people just don't know how to play it. You've opened my eyes.
>>332457618
To this?
>>332458839
>you can kill the obligatory obstacle dragon without 500 arrows
It's a step up, at least
Demon's Souls bosses were okay, but they functioned a lot like Zelda bosses. A lot of times the road to the boss was significantly more difficult than the boss itself.
>>332457653
Am I the only one who liked old iron king? I mean he was pretty easy and the mechanics were nothing to scream about but his looks and arena are fantastic. DaS2 bossfights were complete trash and boring but this is one that is more memorable to me than the rest.
>>332458839
That's pretty cool though. Also after that you get to fight the best boss in the game.
>>332458268
>Dragon God was a good fight
Holy shit. Is the Demon's Souls defense force this delusional?
>>332458974
>thingkeng of Doll
>>332458063
storm ruler is literally back
>>332458972
pls no bully DeS and BB are literally perfect in every way
games of the year all years
>>332459140
hey kid, do you like the Thief's Ring?
I got Old Hero and Maneaters if yer still interested
>>332459140
I don't really get why people think the DeS bosses are even relevant nowadays.
The only bosses that I feel still stand up are false king and maiden astraea, mostly due to their decent music.
I don't really get why people like flamelurker so much either, beyond the difficulty, he's not that interesting of a boss
To this?
>>332458839
Seen too much fast paced shit and now this to know that DS3 is officially casual shit.
>>332459375
>beyond the difficulty
Even that's questionably since he will get stuck on basically anything. So easy to cheese that you have to work to make it a fair fight.
>>332459378
no fuck off
>>332459375
Because every boss is unique. A lot of them were not about being hard or a typical one on one fight, but more about finding how to kill them and once you figure it out they become so easy and it's so satisfying.
>>332458839
>Plunging attack kills boss
>in DaS it couldn't even kill the tutorial boss
Shit game god forbid we have a decent challenge boss like kalameet
>>332458958
HIS TOUNGE WENT THROUGH THE FLOOR
>>332458686
But they weren't all garbage humanoid reskins. DaS2 a shit.
>>332458063
this
>>332460125
I would love to see you try to fight the Nameless King
>>332458686
Of course they werent but it was also the first in the series and so much went downhill from that so DeS is fondly thought of by many
>>332460204
>DaS2 has good fights that are humanoids
>DeS has bad fights that are varied monsters
Oh wait, both of these points apply to both games
it's almost like 90% of good Souls bosses are humanoids
>>332457618
I just replayed Demon's Souls for the third time recently. Dragon God a shit. A total shit. That boss is a pain in the ass. Trying to use a not huge weapon during the fight makes it beyond horseshit.
>>332460125
Kalameet wasn't that hard if you had a decent shield +stamina and fast rolling
>>332460464
That applies to every boss in the series
Demons Souls has the best bosses. Massive, intimidating ones, and fun ones too. Bloodborne has the best gameplay, but the bosses are mostly shit. Souls bosses are craps too. Either a long monster with vaguely the same moveset or a big knight. If you're lucky, two of them.
Best parts about Souls games are Castles. Mostly the first Castle in Demons.
>>332458974
le fapping wolf
>>332458839
kek Ateam is now Bteam
>>332460617
Fuck you, Sif is great.
>>332460617
Bloodborne's bosses kicked my shit in most of the time. It's the only game in the series so far where you can't absolutely cheese the everloving shit out of everything and have to actually be good at the game.
>>332460617
Genuinely don't understand how people can think DeS had the best bosses
>>332460943
Because it was their first
>>332458839
We Shadow of the Colossus now
>>332457653
to this?
>>332458268
>Dragon God was a good fight
It wasn't even a fucking fight. It wasn't challenging. It wasn't a puzzle even. Unless you didn't figure out that you could destroy the obstacles in your way I don't see how anyone could have trouble with this fight.
I can't even tell you how massively disappointed I was when I finished that fight my first time. I was expecting something amazing.
>>332460617
>Best parts about Souls games are Castles
t. Deck13 Interactive
>>332460289
Oh wow, ornstein on a mount.
>>332457653
>hear the name of the boss many times before playing DaS2
>expect another humanoid fight
>it's a lava gargoyle thing
>>332457618
i mean you get the dbs from dragon god, so its easily the best dragon
>1-1
Pretty good
>1-2
Overrated difficulty wise, decent fight nonetheless.
>1-3
One of the better in the game.
>1-4
Probably the best in the game, in the top 10 of the entire series at least.
>2-1
Okay, I guess
>2-2
Difficult, but not all that interesting
>2-3
Cool to fight, not a difficult or enjoyable puzzle though
>3-1
Better than Pinwheel? Still, the gimmick wasn't all that interesting.
>3-2
Pretty good
>3-3
Conceptually interesting, especially when it hadn't been done before in other games. Actual fight quality is variable for obvious reasons
>4-1
Not all that interesting
>4-2
Pretty good, gimmick was less annoying than some others.
>4-3
Very well executed spectacle fight, not all that challenging though
>5-1
Shit
>5-2
Shit
>5-3
Interesting conceptually, would've been nice to have an actual good boss fight in world 5 though.
>>332460617
>Demon's Souls has the best bosses.
>Everything but Flamelurker and Maneaters a total joke.
>Practically every boss 1hko'd by FS, including Allant, or 3hko'd by Soulmass.
>Curse/Insanity LW killing bosses in 7-8 swipes.
>Half the bosses retarded half-realized incomplete shit like Garl Vinland, Dragon God, Idol, Phalanx, etc.
No.
>>332461928
Autism, but also pretty accurate
>>332462000
You can snipe the bosses with broken PVE skills in every game. That's a dumbshit argument.
>played through all the Souls games and Bloodborne
>looking forward to play Demon's Souls as it's the best supposedly
>beat it a couple of weeks back
>can barely even remember a thing about it
I fell for the meme.
>>332459070
Old Iron King is one of the funner bosses because, well, he's copied from an A-team boss (Ceaseless).
>>332462838
>He's copied from ceaseless
How?
>>332457618
Bed of chaos is pretty much dragon god 2.0
>>332462838
They're nothing alike.
Ceaseless isn't even a real boss.
>>332462838
Alright, that's reaching
>>332462838
lol
>>332462838
lolwut?
Ceaseless is the absolute worst boss in DaS, so poorly made I've never seen anybody complete the fight in a way that didn't involve cheesing.
>>332458268
>dragon god was a good fight
News flash, DeS only had like 3 good fights and that was not one of them. Storm ruler was better than Dragon god
>>332462943
>>332462984
>>332463119
>>332463194
How the fuck is he not exactly like Ceaseless Discharge + fireballs?
>>332463336
I like fighting Ceaseless.
>>332460617
ITT: Actual Delusion
>>332458268
Wut? It was neither good and a fight.
>>332463467
>How the fuck is he not exactly like Ceaseless Discharge + fireballs?
Please, give us some similarities. I can only think of:
>Both in lava
>Both have an arm slam as an attack
>>332462943
dude what
he has like all vertical smash moves and fire blast moves
>>332463467
How the fuck is he like Ceaseless?
>>332463609
You fight both of them by baiting/waiting for the slam attacks and hitting their arms.
>>332463467
Seriously?
You hide in the entrance because all his attacks two-shot you and are almost impossible to avoid due to tracking and retarded hitboxes.
He's the worst boss in the game by a huge margin.
>>332458839
BRAVO MIYAZAKI !!
BRAVO!!!!!
>>332463738
Learn to roll you fucking pussy.
>>332462967
BoC was booty as fuck, bro. I mean, you're right, but fuck it was terrible.
>>332463797
High quality post right here.
>>332463336
>I've never seen anybody complete the fight in a way that didn't involve cheesing.
I'm pretty sure that the "cheese" method is the intentional method. It's supposed to go;
-Grab the robes
-Piss off the giant monster
-Run for your life
-He makes a desperate leap to get you that kills him
It's just super dumb because it goes against the entire notion of how bossfights in DaS works, and ignores the fact that he has a long-range attack he could totally spam at you from a distance.
>>332458242
Really? Sweet, I thought they were dead considering the poor reception over BoC in DaS.
>>332462272
>"Well it's not their fault that they don't balance their bosses to factor in basic skills!"
You know how stupid you sound?
>>332463812
>roll
>get hit by immense hitbox that is three times the size of the tentacle
It's very clear that their intent with the boss was for you to run away from him until he falls and kills himself.
What ends up happening is his arm slam is so fucking overpowered that you have to sit in that little tunnel and bait the tentacle to stand half a chance to win.
Come on, even with the flip ring dodging the arm slam AND the shockwave afterwards is simply not possible.
>>332463336
>I couldn't beat the boss, it must be shit
I didn't even know about the cheese when I beat him anon, you should just acquire skill.
>>332464067
I didn't even get hit once by him my last playthrough. Only fast roll, too, not the ninja ring.
>>332462967
>tfw like BoC
I just love puzzle bosses period, so I was so excited when I got to him in DaS.
>>332460617
Demon's Souls has the easiest bosses in the series, take off the nostalgia goggles. A boss, no matter how intimidating it looks, loses all of that factor when I kill it on my first try.
>>332462734
It's a red flag when people call the first game in the series the best and when asked why, they just say it has a charm to it. Or on /v/, call you a newfag or something.
>Run right
>Press button
>Run left
>Press button
>Run center
>Win
Great boss
The dragon god's punches were cool.
It was a cool fight.
Not great, but cool.
>>332464067
>I can't do it so the designers didn't intend it
Would you just fuck off once and for all you piece of shit? I literally did it without knowing about any cheese strategies the first time.
all this fire and ember shit
>>332458839
BRAVO UEDA!
BRAVO!!!!
>>332464876
Look at where Ceaseless is in the game.
he's not the fucking final boss. the final boss requires parrying.
do you really think they intended people to fight a boss that one or two-shots you by using invinicbility frames to go through attacks that are otherwise unavoidable? No.
>>332465403
I don't see how the position has anything to do with the fact that you think the developers intended a boss to be beat with a glitch.
>>332457653
Are you seriously trying to imply this fight was worse than Dragon God?
I started with DeS upon release, and the Old Iron King boss fight is way better. Reminded me of King's Field.
Some people's hate for DaS2 is so fucking irrational.
>>332462000
Of course they're easy now that you know how to break the game and cheese them.
What I love about DS3 just coming out is that we can verify that, indeed, people never learn to fight the bosses on their own, they look it up on the internet then claim they're easy as shit.
Go create a twitch account and give me your handle, I want to watch you very first run of DS3 since you're so great and whatnot.
>>332459378
>>332461928
I will never get the hate on Leechmonger
I thought it was a good bossfight, especially because 5-1 doesn't have any significant shortcut so the fight was fair.
Just like all the other bossfights in DeS it felt like a continuation of the level, a culmination of it, not necessarily that great in terms of challenge but great in terms of experience.
>>332465891
He never mentioned DaS3 anywhere in that post familia. Also, I can't speak for him but I agreed with his post 100% and I didn't look up any boss guides or anything on my current playthrough, which is also my first.
>>332464728
>Move stick
>Press button
>Move stick
>Press other button
>Move stick
>Press button
>Level complete
Great video games
>>332464728
>>332466456
you missed the part where the shitty camera fucks you.
>>332463797
>>332465346
you realize these talentless hacks only became popular because of vigorous neogaf marketing, right?
demons souls KIND OF had something going on, but even that game was pretty dull.
really, all this hype comes from neogaf sony marketing.
>>332465551
Not him, but it's not a fucking glitch either.
Have else was it or used?
>>332463526
Abandon all delusions of control anon
boss battles are stupid pointless bullshit
debate me
>>332458839
But that is fucking awesome.
>>332467212
I recommend you play through Shadow of the Colossus then come back to me and say that to my face.
I don't know about Miyazaki because I've never read anything on him, only a few interviews, but Ueda is actually a fucking genius.
>>332467503
yes, SotC was so brilliant with its garbage open world that has no point, and with its bosses where half of them aren't even good
god forbid you play PAL or the HD version instead of vanilla NTSC and Wander has fucking Parkinson's.
>>332467631
You obviously haven't played the game, I said come back to me once you played it, watching videos on Youtube doesn't count.Oh wait I forgot it's Americuck time, so there is also the possibility you played it but missed the point of it entirely and quit before it got interesting.
>>332467212
>demons souls KIND OF had something going on, but even that game was pretty dull.
die
>>332467924
beat the game when I rented it on ps2 on release, hated it
beat it again later when the Ico/SotC HD ports on PS3 came out, still hated it.
there are much better art games and much better video games than Shadow of the Colossus. It's overrated and just happened to come out at a time people were desperate for artsy fartsy games.
>>332467445
It's a QTE to instantly kill a boss, just without on-screen button prompts.
>>332468069
>being so mindbroken you think normal gameplay is
> QTE... ...just without on-screen button prompts.
Easter eggs like that are great. Fuck, OP's boss fight was a glorified version of that.
>a pleb shitting on SotC
what the fuck
>>332468473
>game popularized Brown N Bloom, ruining video game art direction for years
>game is open world but the open world is painful to navigate and has nothing in it, it's just shitty padding segments between real gameplay
>game comprised entirely of boss battles when several bosses are awful and only a handful are actually great
the soundtrack is fantastic, the control scheme is interesting and fun, and the bosses that work really work, but it's not a perfect game or fantastic game by any stretch.
>>332468737
SotC was not popular. That game hardly sold 1 million copies.
>>332468737
>game popularized Brown N Bloom, ruining video game art direction for years
That was Gears of War you fucktard
>>332468896
yet it was the most talked about PS2 game for about 2 years, won tons of awards, garnered a massive fanbase online (and very quickly at that), and even had a goddamn movie about using it to get over depression.
People wouldn't shut up about how much of a masterpiece it was or how video games were FINALLY art (despite Osamu Sato's Eastern Mind coming out in 1994)
>>332462734
>Be 2012
>Friend singing Dark Souls' Praises.
>Don't know shit about it, been off /v/ for a while
>He explains premise to me.
>Interested
>"Does it have any games before it?"
>"Oh, there was a game called Demon's Souls. You can skip it if you want to, it doesn't have anything to do plot wise with Dark Souls"
>"Demons sound rad as fuck. I'll play that first since First Games tend to lose their charm if their sequels are better and you play the first one after the sequels"
>Get Demon's Souls
>Have Fun. Actually Play through whole game without locking onto enemies because Haha, Flamberge in Boletaria castle= CHINK CHINK CHINK.
>"This is rad as fuck. I feel like a big lumbering knight and it's awesome."
>Get Dark Souls.
>Have more fun
>Can still look back on Demon's Souls fondly while admitting it's faults and recognizing what Dark Souls improved upon.
Still upset when i think about what could have been in that Sixth Archstone.
Can't wait to use this set.
>>332457653
At least this was an actual fight.
>>332470493
muh dick
>>332470349
i played des after ds1 and des was much better if not lore wise in pretty much all aspects
the only thing that really was shit on des and much worst than das was the world tendency. also, the last half of ds1 kinda sucks.
>>332465587
>Some people's hate for DaS2 is so fucking irrational.
Especially here on /v/.
>>332470493
Shit like this is just going to break PVP.
>>332465587
i played ds2 and can confirm that the hate for ds2 is rational, it sucks
