Does Metal Gear Solid 1 still hold up well today or am I better off just watching the cutscenes online? Its the only one I haven't played yet but its on sale this week on psn.
Also are the VR missions worth getting?
>>332416229
play TS instead. fuck what /v/ says, TS is better in every way. if you're going to watch cutscenes, watch the TS Cutscenes instead, but playing would be the better choice.
Fighting Revolver Ocelot in particular is pretty fun.
>>332416229
It holds extremely well if you ask me, and it's also one of the best AND most important chapters in the series.
>it's the only one I've not played
How the living FUCK can you even CONSIDER playing the MGS games without playing the FIRST ONE first??
MGS2 is a direct sequel to it, and every game in the series in general literally spawned and refers back to it!
>>332416476
TS is a complete shit. Period.
-You start with maximum HP and ammo cap, instead of "leveling up" after each boss fight.
-the new voice acting and soundtrack suck.
-the new localization sucks ass, and is pretty much direct Jap-to-English shit now.
-The MGS2 controls and moves, in unaltered MGS1 environments and enemy placements = the game becomes piss easy. The bossfights took the biggest hit, since you can now simply snipe them with your handgun.
-The added Dogtag collecting has no purpose at all, unlike in MGS2.
-The cutscenes are way too fucking crazy, being filled with 5 meter 360 double backflips and Matrix slowmotion. Oh, and tons of added "humor", which just ruins the characters and mood.
-To be honest? The Twin Snakes also looks fugly. Everything's just gray and cyan now, ruining the cold and dark industrial mood the original has. And the 3D models look waxy.
>Fighting Revolver Ocelot in particular is pretty fun.
No, it's not. It's one of THE most butchered fights in the game, as you can 1-shot snipe him to the head within the first 10 seconds.
>>332416229
>Does Metal Gear Solid 1 still hold up well
yes.
>Its the only one I haven't played yet
why? you just ruined my day.
>>332416229
Depends on how you like PS1 games as a whole.
The controls are a bit stiff, but the production value is spectacular. If you never played PS1 games, you won't appreciate how well it does for it's time though.
>>332416497
thats good to hear, I'll buy it then, its only $5 anyway
>>332416476
I'll try emulating TS if the original isn't good but I'll give it a chance
>>332416229
The fucking sound design, man.
Also Twin Snakes is too easy because it's MGS1 environment design with MGS2 mechanics that break everything.
>>332416229
I played through MGS1 just a few months ago and it's actually still pretty good.
Gets tedious at times but the music and graphics are hauntingly nostalgic. Gameplay is a bit meh as it doesn't really have all the dimensions of stealth that you'd expect in modern games, but the boss fights are excellent.
In any case, it's up to you; I haven't played Twin Snakes so i can't attest to what >>332416476
is saying, but i think you'll enjoy playing through either version.
>>332416229
It's the one and only MGS game you really need to play. You've done yourself and the game huge dishonor by skipping it.
>>332416806
>I'll try emulating TS if the original isn't good
The original MGS is better than the TS in every single possible way, unless you only stare at the polycount.
Yes, I own both versions. I don't even wanna touch TS anymore.
>>332416961
second part if someone's interested in this stuff.
>>332416628
>You start with maximum HP and ammo cap, instead of "leveling up" after each boss fight.
Good change
>the new voice acting and soundtrack suck.
they don't. Actually, they're so good, they have been used in MGS4 as well. And they're so good, David Hayter himself loves his work in TS the most.
>the new localization sucks ass, and is pretty much direct Jap-to-English shit now.
Good change.
>The MGS2 controls and moves, in unaltered MGS1 environments and enemy placements = the game becomes piss easy. The bossfights took the biggest hit, since you can now simply snipe them with your handgun.
Easy =/= Bad in a cinematic driven game as MGS. In fact, it is better because it gives you more options.
Remember: Difficulty is not a sign of quality.
>The added Dogtag collecting has no purpose at all, unlike in MGS2.
How are added collectibles a bad point at all? Don't collect them. its not like you miss anything. Aside from that, they're meant to be a creative way to have credits in the game, nothing more.
>The cutscenes are way too fucking crazy, being filled with 5 meter 360 double backflips and Matrix slowmotion. Oh, and tons of added "humor", which just ruins the characters and mood.
MGS has always been crazy. You new to the series or anything?
>To be honest? The Twin Snakes also looks fugly. Everything's just gray and cyan now, ruining the cold and dark industrial mood the original has. And the 3D models look waxy.
The engine used is exactly the same as the one in MGS2. in fact, its a bit polished. So, it looks better than MGS2 objectively.
>>332416628
That definitely makes TS sound bad
>>332416707
sorry anon-san
>>332416723
I grew up playing ps1 but even then the games felt clunky with the controls and camera
>>332416882
I like a good sound design
>>332416892
You made it sound really good haha, I'll probably replay the series starting with this one then
>The only one that doesn't have a totally distracting dumb plot and retarded characters.
>Giant robot actually looked cool and didn't moo like a cow or sing like an anime vocaloid.
Of course it holds up.
>>332417131
>Good change
No. It's a casual change, that just makes the game even easier than it already is in this version.
>they don't.
Oh, they do. The lack of Encounter is bad enough, but add the monotonous and bored-sounding re-recorded VA to the mix, and it's a disaster.
>Good change.
No, it really is not. Two different languages with very different style and mood. I'm not even a native speaker of either, and I can tell that the original MGS had better localization.
>Easy =/= Bad in a cinematic driven game as MGS. In fact, it is better because it gives you more options.
Yeah, no. MGS games were "cinematic" ONLY because of the atmosphere and cutscenes. The gameplay has always been very fucking pure GAMEPLAY, and ruining the little challenge there ever was is not an improvement. Yes, difficulty does not equal quality, but it greatly affects the enjoyment of the game.
>How are added collectibles a bad point at all?
By not having ANY FUCKING POINT at all?
>don't collect them
if I could shoot every single person who uses this "lol don't use it then!" argument in every single modern piece of shit game, this planet would be so much more peaceful and enjoyable place to live.
>MGS has always been crazy
Yes, by some hardboiled "muh realizm" hollywood levels, BUT there ALWAYS was a balance: Snake is the "normal human", going against circus freaks and tech-monsters, emerging usually as the victor because of guts and skills alone. Now, he acts like a fucking adrenaline-pumped 15 year old moron, almost shooting VIPs he's meant to rescue, trying to jump-kick a fucking Metal Gear, and fucking riding live rockets. In other words, he's also moving like a Cyborg Ninja himself.
>you new to series or anything
I bet I'm one of the oldest "fans" around here, since my first touch with MG was with the NES original.
>The engine used is exactly the same as the one in MGS2.
it just shows the devs using it were incompetent. And no, it doesn't look better than MGS2 (or 1).
You may as well, its like five hours long anyways.
>>332417402
Just a question though, you played ALL Metal Gear games before 1 ? Also MGS4?
At the beginning of the Chapter 3, you got a short "dream" section of Shadow Moses. That was directly taken from the start of MGS1.
If you had no problems looking / playing that tiny section, you should not have issues playing the whole game.
In general, MGS1 plays very much like those early 8-directional 2D top-down "shooters", only with 3D graphics. In this sense, I find the game very easy to control and maneuver in, and the Soliton radar helps you a ton at all situations.
Visually I find the game still charming and very atmospheric, and the OST and voice-acting job are still superb.
>>332417059
>nintendrones BTFO yet another reason to own the winner of the 5th generation
>>332417882
>You may as well, its like five hours long anyways.
took me 16 on my first run, 5 years ago.
yeah, I take my games slow, and don't skip a single thing.
>>332416229
I'd say so, I played it for the first time last summer on an emulator and had lots of fun, and then went on to play the rest. You can see how the games improve as time goes on, but its still very much worth it to play the first once.
>>332417782
now im really not sure if you're just trolling or stubborn and nostalgic. Most of the points you made are objectively wrong, dude. Collectibles being there as credits for the developers is a neat idea that hurts nobody, a polished graphics engine looks always better than the better basic engine, ignoring the fact that the fucking main voice actor himself prefers his work in the remake, and making a game easier is still not a bad change.
OP. If you look for a challenge, try to play it on the hardest difficulty setting (if you're european, you even have a bonus difficulty setting: European Extreme)
you will need ages to beat it, i can guarantee that.
>>332417131
>unironically trying to defend Twin Asses
>>332417774
Never understood why they were mooing haha
>>332417882
Is it really 5 hours?
>>332418083
That part in MGS4 was a little hard for me but maybe because I wasn't used to it yet, it was like that when I first played a MGS game but then things clicked after a while.
>>332416229
I say yes. I am biased towards it though. It was always my favorite game, followed by mgs3. You could either buy it, or just download the iso and try.
>>332418546
It's a PS1 game, they're all 'short' unless it's a JRPG.
>>332418546
It can differ depending on how much difficulty you have on some bosses and how much you have to backtrack to get a necessary weapon/item, but it's generally around 5-6 hours.
>>332416229
It's still fun, but the game's quality really drops once you reach the communications tower, and it continues to go down the further you go.
>>332418546
>Is it really 5 hours?
Only if you know the game by heart, skip things left and right, and don't die even once.
Like said, the first calm-paced playthroughs easily take 10+ hours on average. And even that was considered "very short" in late 90s.
Don't be embarrassed to play it on Easy either. The 1990's difficulty level is from totally different planet compared to modern day's casual handholding.
Before starting the campaign, I'd recommend checking out the "Previous Missions" text-summaries of MG1 and 2 found in the Main menu, if you already haven't read or played them. Also watch all of the "Briefing" videos, and try some VR Training to get the basic moves and info down.
>or I am better off just watching the cutscenes online?
You're better off playing "cinematic" games if you do this shit.
>>332416229
MGS1 is a masterpiece and the only good MGS, play it, then play it again, then play it some more.
>>332419191
This is pure, unadulterated nostalgia fagging.
>>332418171
I tend to go through games at a slower pace too.
>>332418314
That should be interesting to see how it compares with the other MGS games
>>332418743
I enjoyed MGS3 a lot, I guess buying it would be better than an iso so I can play it on a vita too
>>332418791
>>332418841
I can see it taking me a little more than 5-6 just for getting used to the camera
>>332416229
I played it for the first time recently.
Everything still holds up.
Good game.
>>332419654
>everything still holds up
>that entire second disc
>holding up
It's my favorite of the MGS series, but I prefer Metal Gear 2 (as in the MSX2 one).
>>332419494
I just recently had a chance to witness a total first-timer popherMGS cherry with the MGS1, and then go through the entire series in release order in the past few years. I can tell you that finishing even the first MGS game under 6h is a quite feat, even more so if you dig deeper into the plot, and spam the Codec at every new location and finding.
One thing I must warn you right off the bat though:
You will NOT want to engage enemies in this game, unless forced to do so!
The enemies still instantly trigger the Alarm in this game if you even as much as poke them the wrong way, and you don't have any other non-lethal weapons besides the Stun grenades. Even trying to knock out / necksnap the guards is highly risky, and hold-ups weren't a thing before MGS2 either. I'd recommend avoiding any kind of contact with enemies if possible.
Dumping
>>332420369
>>332420505
>/v/ is so fucking casual they can't even handle MGS1
What the fuck happened to this place. If you can't grasp MGS1 you may as well stop playing video games because you're functionally retarded.
I remember when /v/ hated casuals.
>>332420615
>>332417131
Agree with everything except the music and voice acting in Twin Snakes is worse compared to the original.
You're better off doing neither. Shit game with shit cutscenes.
>>332416476
>TS is better in every way
OP, in case you're genuinely asking for help, this poster is under 18 and saying this only to rile you up.
>>332420743
>>332421175
>>332417131
>You new to the series or anything?
Ironic, considering only someone who didn't play MGS on release would claim TS to be an improvement over the original, and not the steaming pile of Americanized shit that it is. Literally, go back to r e d d i t.
>>332416476
You're a fucking faggot, dude.
>>332421319
>>332421437
The last one.
>>332420731
/v/ is a bunch of numales who fap to traps, even thinking about playing older games is already a huge challenge for them
>>332419792
Metal Gear 2 has aged remarkably well. It's very underrated.
Anyone who thinks MGS1 is unplayable has no business talking about videogames.
>ITT
>>332419776
If you play it for the first time it will.
>>332416476
>>332422206
For the first time, of course, but on replays, it's true suffering.
>>332421545
>Metal Gear is closer to Zelda 64 than to Goldeneye
What did he mean by that?
>>332416229
It's good until Disc 2. I hope you enjoy getting shot by offscreen turrets because that's the whole experience of Disc 2.
>>332422575
There's only one room on the second disc with an offscreen turret.
>>332416229
>am I better off just watching the cutscenes online?
I don't know how it holds up but you should kill yourself just for asking this question.
Listen OP, here's the thing.
Metal gear has an interesting story. It gets pretty fucking crazy as well and that's the appeal.
Play the game for a bit. Do you like this gameplay? Not everyone does. If your answer is no, just watch the cutscenes.
Now I'm not saying metal gear could not stand alone on it's gameplay, but if you don't like playing it in the first 10 minutes you probably won't like the rest since the core formula doesn't vary much.
tl;dr: Try it for a few minutes in every game. If you like it, play it. If not, just watch the story, it's entertaining if nothing else.
I played MGS for the first time last year, with no knowledge of the series outside of /v/ memes.
It was one of the best gaming experiences I had; the game is overrated but deserves the amount of praise it gets for being such a complete package.
There are a few moments that get annoying (getting used to how Snake aims, late-era rooms being turret-spam), but on the whole it is an unforgettable journey. I have only watched Twin Snakes cutscenes, but they look a lot lamer than the original, with worse voice-acting.
MGS is the perfect taut VG thriller, with little to no fat in its story or presentation. Give it a whirl.
>>332416229
>Does Metal Gear Solid 1 still hold up well
Many on here will tell you it does. I think it's because the Metal Gear series is just way too loved on here. So you might get a lot of favorable bias whenever this game is discussed. I don't think the gameplay holds up well at all. The sequels vastly improve on the gameplay 1 introduced. MGS1 feels down right clunky many times. Sniping is especially awful.
>am I better off just watching the cutscenes online
The cutscenes hold up a lot better. The story for this one is pretty damn good actually. It would be better if you watch a full walkthrough though. You would miss a lot of gameplay story parts if you only saw cutscenes.
Overall I say stop being a faggot and just play the damn game. I don't know why so many anons feel this thing that they just can't play an old game if it feels too outdated. Who cares if it does feel outdated? Is it going to offend you to play something that doesn't feel the best? Just because a game may feel outdated doesn't mean it becomes not fun. Silent Hill 1 feels more clunky then 2 but that doesn't mean 1 becomes bad because of that.
Does anyone else think the button-mashing you have to do in the infamous torture scene is unreal? I had to practically tense up my whole body and vibrate my wrist in order to not just die by the end.
>>332418159
Don't celebrate just yet.
This was the magazine the shown MGS review was taken from.
All in all, 1998 was an amazing year for vidya, no matter which platform you mained.
>tfw N64 + PS1 idort already at the time.
>>332416229
As a casual dudebro I found this game to be great, a lot of fun and easily beatable.
>>332424994
might just as well dump the rest of it
>>332425129
>all this lovely "now everyone's winning, big time!" attitude
>>332425251
>>332425129
very cool.
I'm also new to this series, plan on getting MSG1 and Revengeance on this sale and going from there. What is Peace Walker? Is it a sequel or something?
>>332425251
>>332425368
I apparently skipped couple introduction texts and image pages, will post those after the review
>>332425576
...that's for the review pages.
>>332425363
>What is Peace Walker? Is it a sequel or something?
It's the 5th official main-game in the series, and should be played after MGS4.
>>332425673
OK, just realized these are from few months older number, a pre-release preview of sorts.
Still, the hype and expectations were real.
>>332425885
>all this mix and match alpha footage
>>332425363
You better play the games in the release order. This guide gives ya the basics.
If you skip the 8-bit games for now, you can read their summaries on the main-menu of MGS1. Remember to check out the "Briefing" videos while at it too.
>>332417131
>mgs has always been crazy
Twin Snakes is the shit kind of crazy. All of the matrix inspired slow-mo acrobatics just look like crap and go on way too long. There's a delicate balance you need to pull off for something to not look completely retarded and ts butchered it.
>>332425993
incoming the preview pages. Looking already pretty much like the gold version.
>>332426295
>>332425673
Peace Walker is also a load of horseshit on top of that. It's the personification of the worst of the franchise.
>>332426109
MG2 is worth a playthrough. Its got nearly identical gameplay to mgs1 and its got a pretty decent story. Its extremely important to the series storyline.
>>332416229
Best game in the series for me.
>>332426419
~
>>332426420
>Peace Walker is also a load of horseshit on top of that.
Fuck off with your "opinions".
PW is a damn great MGS game, easily at the top alongside with MGS3, and a far superior "MGS5" game than TPP. I put well over 350 hours to Peace Walker on PS3, and I'd gladly replay it again.
>It's the personification of the worst of the franchise.
way to ignore existence of Portable Ops.
Hell, even MGS2 is worse shit.
>ib4 "m-muh postmodern art piece! You just dont gittit !!"
I was able to beat it easily on ps3
>>332426617
>The fucking unicorn fountain clearly shown in previews
Nintendooo!!!
Anyway, that's it for the Zelda stuff.
>>332426559
>MG2 is worth a playthrough
true that. I got to play it for the first time with the release of MGS3:S, and it really impressed me. The intro song's superb.
>>332426617
Peace Walker was daft. It's garbage. It's the Robocop 3 of the series.
>>332427385
Peace Walker was great. It's a masterpiece. It's the Resident Evil 2 of the series.
its MP is also way more fun than the shitty MGO3 we got now.
>>332427728
my only complaint with PW is that the levels are all pretty small, meaning it doesn't give you a lot of opportunity to use a large portion of the equipment.
It's still fun as fuck though.
>>332417131
>>332426617
MGS2 is the best in the series, MGS3babby.
>>332416229
it doesn't hold up well don't listen to nostalgia fags, it's alright but it doesn't hold up well.
>>332421363
>only someone who didn't play MGS on release would claim TS to be an improvement over the original
that sounds pretty much like Nostalgia.
>>332429636
no, it is not, Raiden-fangirl.
>>332429636
>Contrarian fag in charge of tastes
>>332416229
I played it for the first time last year and had a blast. Probably one of my favorite games now. Best storyline and characters in the series, haunting atmosphere and music, gameplay ahead of its time.
On the other hand, you might not like the graphics if you are not used to that era of gaming, and the controls take some getting used to. Give it a try.
I really wanted to like it, but the controls are just THAT bad...
Cutscenes are good, and I love the way the game sounds.
>>332432045
>but the controls are just THAT bad...
I will never understand this mentality. The controls of MGS1 are simple as fuck; 8 directions of movement, one button to attack/use, one to crawl.
>>332432502
>using the d-pad for sniping
I didn't find the controls that bad outside of bossfights, but during bossfights I had to fight a battle with the controler. So damn stiff.
You are literally the biggest faggot alive if the only reason you won't play old games is MUH GRAFFIX!
>>332433176
good thing you only need to snipe once throughout the whole game.
MGS really is an acquired taste
I like the story and overall writing but the gameplay just feels like complete ass
>>332426617
>way to ignore existence of Portable Ops.
I wonder if the people who bitch about MPO had even actually played the game or are just parroting what they read about the game from TheSnakeSoup cause they never owned a PSP. It did a better job of being a portable MGS than Monster Hunter: Mecha Edition
>>332416229
I played it for the first time in 2007, it's still my favorite game. If you grew up with ps/n64, it will meet your expectations
Don't play TS. As an artform, the direction, graphics, sound, and voice acting(generally, not always) are worse. The modern controls make the player overpowered.
>>332434386
daily reminder the people from the snake soup are ALL sonyggers who got really mad when MGR was announced to not be an exclusive for some reason
>>332416340
Totally depends on you. do you like arcade/repetition and challenging yourself?
>>332433837
twice
Actually I loved fighting bosses twice. Why didnt that stay a series staple?
>>332416476
>Being a fagget
Not only are the cutscenes terrible, but it makes an already easy game easier still.
>>332434386
Probably. I loved PO
>>332435636
Everyone and their parents Nikita-missiled Wolf on the 2nd encounter.
Interesting observation about the double fights. Dunno why they're so rare in the series
>>332434386
Yeah, no. PO was clunky and tedious experience through and through. PW improved just about everything.
>>332436007
You could argue the same thing about all sequels.
>>332436007
Personally I think MPO had a better army management system than PW, even if there was no physical Mother Base.
>>332416229
It's great.
played it for the first time a few months ago, was pretty great
Keycard section was HORRIBLE though, and the liquid fistfight was gueling
>>332435873
speak for yourself
I fought best girl with honor
>>332435873
Look at this casual and laugh
>>332419175
>implying mgs isn't cinematic
>>332416229
Holds up better than other action games from that time because its more of a puzzle game. No headshots or tranqs, avoidance is the game.
>>332424614
It was time-consuming but I don't think it was as bad as people make it out to be.
>>332416229
Mind the fact that voice acting is fantastic, the gameplay is very fun and graphics don't look like the first PSX games like Tekken 1 or Resident evil, they're actually more refined
The music is just right, that's one of the reasons TTS didn't work
>>332416628
I enjoyed TTS but I agree with this post
There's a reason why it's a -one platform only- remake and people costantly make fun of it
>>332417131
>Good change
What's the reason of sneaking around if you can just run around and not get killed then?
>they're so good, they have been used in MGS4 as well.
Only because the original MGS1 wasn't recorded in a studio and the background noises could be heard
>Good change.
How is "It's not a weak point, it's a weakness!" a good change?
>it is better because it gives you more options.
MGS1 was designed differently from MGS2, without first person view in mind
The fact that they added that and the tranq gun kills the game's difficulty
>How are added collectibles a bad point at all?
This is an awful point
In every game collectibles are placed so that getting a certain number or all of them unlocks something
Silicon Knights copied the same feature that lets you unlock multiple bonuses in MGS2 and reused it to unlock..nothing because MGS1 unlocks stuff with replaying games or the Meryl torture
>MGS has always been crazy
Crazy and retarded are two different things
The fact that they put ridiculous goofy stuff like jumping on the rocket Liquid shoots you and channeling it in your stinger launcher to shoot it back at the Hind was the most retarded things I've ever seen
No metal gear does something THAT stupid
Don't even get me started on Sniper wolf giving an elbow hit on one of his soldiers who smacks his head on the wall right on the serious moment when Snake gets caught
The ending on the jeeps or even Liquid's death are a punch in the face of EVERY MGS fan
>it looks better than MGS2 objectively.
But not artistically
Graphics level don't matter if everything you see looks terrible
The only exception is with floor B1 of the Nuke Storage where you meet Meryl
>>332416476
This is bait
>>332416476
Twin Snakes is a casualized parody of MGS1.
>>332416229
Doesn't look great, but it's the most solid entry in the series IMO. Play it anon
>>332417131
>they're so good, David Hayter himself loves his work in TS
David Hayter is a terrible voice actor though, only reason people think he's good is because of one iconic voice. Even Hideo tried to get rid of him over 10 years ago.
>>332416476
TS is literally a MGS2 mod with custom MGS1 map
Only many areas are worse, the whole level design is worthless with the new mechanics and the cutscenes are a slap in the face of every mgs fan
