So, with Denuvo coming up and about, can some anons give some names of reliable steam key sites in case this pirate gives in?
Might need them in the future.
>>332390712
I used Cdkeys and the only problem I had was on my end.
I had to refresh the page to see my code. I almost had a heart attack.
The only downside is you need to give them your phone number for a text message, but I haven't gotten any spam texts or telemarketers since then.
>>332391325
No, the downside is that buying from key resellers is fucking dumb. It's worse than piracy.
>>332391414
I got a $60 game for $26 instead.
I don't see what's so bad. They don't want me to pirate so I'll have to look for the next best thing.
$26 seems about right for a PC game.
>>332391414
How so? Anti-piracy was created to stop people from pirating, and I'm thinking I might do that and buy it instead.
Bought more than 15 games on g2play, never had a problem.
I have to say that I have never bought a game on release or preorder. DS3 is like 40€, dont be stupid and just buy it on amazon for 10€ more.
>Dark Souls 3 is $40 on 3rd party
>$60 on Steam
>Key sites
LMAO how much of a poorfag are you? Do you literally squat in Pooland? Fucking get a job.
>>332391414
You're retarded.
>>332391761
What's wrong with being frugal? Just trying to hunt for cheap deals.
Also you should have picked that up from me being a piratefag.
>>332391761
many pirates have jobs.
but not all employed people are stupid with their money
there is no way pc games are worth $70. especially since they aint even physical copies & especially since pc games are not guranteed to work UNLIKE console games
also once u r accustomed to free pc games,....anything more than $10 for a pc game seems steep
>>332391761
>ahaha I like to waste money
>>332391414
>>332390712
>falseflagging buyfag
kek
>>332391572
>>332391648
You're not "buying" it though, in the strictest sense. These shady Russian companies buy keys using stolen credit cards. When the charges are later disputed, the publisher is out whatever amount of money, meaning that buying from these sites is worse than piracy, where the game makers lose nothing.
Buying from key resellers is like paying someone to shoplift for you.
>buying stolen grey market keys that could be revoked at any time
kek
>>332391948
where's the circle for being none of those? you are triggering me with your lack of label for my identity.
>>332392124
but actually they never get revoked
at least for me.
>>332392235
>i don't understand how anything works
>because I'm an idiot
>and most likely underage
>>332392124
>stolen keys
nice meme ubisoft.
I have sold keys on g2a, all legit. Just dont buy keys from russian nicks with 5 points.
>>332392095
>i can either "buy my game on Steam for $60
or
>i can "buy" my game on g2a for $30
hmmm
>>332391761
>>332392095
Huh, that's something new to learn. But there are actual licensed, legit steam key sites, no? If I'm going to buy something, makes sense for me to go for the cheapest one right? Especially as a poorfag.
Interesting situation though: So devs stop piracy, and people move to these stolen cc sites, wouldn't that be worse for them in the long run?
>>332392095
Citation needed.
>>332392354
>shill gets owned
>by a dipshit that doesn't know how intellectual property rights work
>>332391948
>tfw I'm neither smart, handsome or gay but I am a dumb nerdy jerk
no wait does this mean I'm gay? is this how gay people know they're gay?
>>332392354
But you're paying for the work that went in to making it.
>reliable
probably none
g2a, mmoga, kinguin guys go around and upboat themselves on as much rating sites and stuff as possible, it's not a lie either just google it because these fucks are so bad at making it not look obvious
I wouldn't be suprised if you found shills on 4chan
>>332392438
well, there is no such thing as a legit steam key site because they can easily get their hands on keys even if publishers and developers don't want that and there is nothing they can do because they sit in china
red flags are if the deal is too good and if the company sits in china but even without that you are not safe
gmg got pwned recently and they were more trustworthy than your average steamkey shop
if you want to be safe and safe money, buy on steam when games are on sale aka wait a while until price reduction for new games, this is the only way you know that your key isn't going to be revoked or wahtever and you can get your money back if it happens anyway
>>332392438
>But there are actual licensed, legit steam key sites, no?
Yeah, there are. Sites like Nuuvem, Green Man Gaming, and most of the indie game bundle sites are all authorized distributors. In fact, one of the bigger indie bundle sites Bundle Stars is owned by WB, which is why WB games are always on sale on Bundle Stars.
>If I'm going to buy something, makes sense for me to go for the cheapest one right?
Only if you're actually buying from an authorized seller. If you're going to buy from a stolen key reseller, you may as well just fucking pirate.
>>332392265
Yeah you've proved that.
>>332392668
>gmg got pwned recently and they were more trustworthy than your average steamkey shop
What happened with GMG? Aren't they an authorized seller?
>>332392095
>making devs that use Denuvo actually lose money
now that's something that they really deserve
>>332392868
>abloo abloo people use anti-piracy measures
>now i cant download the game my mom wouldn't buy me
You the buyer can't have the game "revoked". You paid for it. They go after shifty sellers.
>>332392154
Anon
>>332392095
They're games bought in bulk from countries where they are a lot cheaper then sold for a profit. It's all about the quantity.
>>332392925
>y-you're poor! MOOOM
did they have a 3x2 chromosome sale when you were conceived?
I just want to demo the game before I decide to buy it
>>332393219
>I just want to demo the game before I decide to buy it
Yeah, it's too bad you can't refund Steam games ever, isn't it?
>>332392925
>tfw have enough money to buy what ever game I want
>still can't bring myself around to spending money on them until they go on a big sale
It's not about being poor, I just don't want to spend a lot of money on a game, especially if I know the price will be reduced. Yet I'd still rather pirate a game before that point (because I'm not patient enough), and later add it to my library. Over half the games in my Steam library are unplayed because I pirated them before buying them.
>>332392668
>>332392675
As a pirate and poorfag, I really don't have the luxury to go from paying 0$ to suddenly 60$, maybe 20-30$ at best.
Assume I have no moral conscience whatsoever, any anons with good experience, no revokes on these key sites they'd like to recommend?
>>332393319
>having your money trapped deep into Gaben's asshole
no thanks
>>332392354
>Data files are comprised of electricity
wat
>>332392154
Men.
The area of the circle ends outside of the picture.
>>332392559
>intellectual property rights
Which doesn't actually exists. It's a man-made concept.
>>332392631
Should artists charge people to look at their paintings? I'm fine with developers asking for donations. Kickstarter proves it's viable.
I see a lot of people saying you can get your g2a keys removed because they're not legit, but nobody has proof.
>>332393503
>It's a man-made concept.
I'm surprised I don't have a "DUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHH" reaction image.
>>332393503
>Which doesn't actually exists. It's a man-made concept.
Hold the fucking phone here. Laws are a man-made concept? I don't believe you. That's incredible.
>>332393503
>It's a man-made concept.
Welcome to society.
G2A has worked fine for me when buying or pre-ordering several games in the past. Though it's not that great of a site anymore after Steam separated Russian/etc. keys from global. You used to get new games at massive discount from G2A but now when you add the price of the game+shield+payment method charges the difference in price isn't that great compared to GMG.
>>332393578
That's because it's not true.
>>332393503
>Should artists charge people to look at their paintings?
Yeah, that's totally the same thing. Also, totally the same thing is how movie theaters never charge admission, or how all music everywhere is given away for free by the artists; remember how those two things totally happen?
>>332393503
Video games are entertainment first and foremost, so they're entitled to money for providing that. Artists can make money from their work anyway, and not through donations.
Kickstarter only proves that people will pay to fund a project they like the idea of. I'd rather pay for the finished product. With digital refunds, you have zero reason to complain about paying for games. This is coming from a poorfag.
>>332394041
http://www.destructoid.com/-fraudulent-elder-scrolls-online-steam-keys-revoked-292837.phtml
http://www.eurogamer.net/forum/thread/288247
http://steamcommunity.com/app/239140/discussions/0/604941528469344921/
http://forum.unitlost.com/index.php/topic/1879-valve-revokes-third-party-steam-keys/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sniper-elite-3-steam-keys-bought-in-good-faith-revoked-as-result-of-scam/1100-6420803/
http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/30/over-7-000-stolen-sniper-elite-3-steam-keys-revoked/
Yeah, never happens.
>>332393413
if I was a poorfag like you, I would continue to pirate because not worth to go through the trouble and dealing with these chinese fucks
GMG and GOG might be the only ones left, everything else is just some shitty backwater shed that buys keys from poorfag countrys and resells them, while they don't give a shit about anything else but making a profit and saving face
What about gamesplanet and instant-gaming, that's the ones I use with GMG and GOG, they don't seem as shady as the others.
>>332394513
http://keyradar.com/
It says Gamesplanet is authorized, but that second one is not.
>>332394048
>or how all music everywhere is given away for free
Yeah. It's called a radio or pandora. No one pays for music anymore. Games will evolve in the same way.
>>332394136
He said g2a keys specifically.
>>332394670
>Games will evolve in the same way.
That's really interesting. So you're saying that in the future, games will be there, like on the radio, and you can play it for free, but won't be to pick and choose what you get to play, or for how long, or how often, and you'll basically have no control over it whatsoever? That's really interesting that it'll work that way, and not like how movies and television work. Will movies and TV be the same way? There'll be streaming sites, but you won't actually be able to choose what shows you watch or what episode you want to put on? It'll just throw on a random show?
>>332394742
>>332392354
Unless they can recreate the exact sequence of there 1s and 0s from scratch. But of course he can't, he's just a stingy cunt.
>>332394161
So what, because of Denuvo I should continue to pirate because the cheap alternatives blows?
I'm ready to pay a few bucks here, just not at the prices triple As games are set. They might go down to those price at some point of time on steam, but these games don't usually get discounted that much that quickly.
>>332394815
It has already begun. Most mobile games are free. The most successful PC games are free.
>>332395017
All continue to exist thanks to people paying for them in many, many other ways. All exist in a much lower quality than video games we pay for directly, too.
>>332392095
>"instead of stealing, you're stealing!"
Thanks for clearing that up.
>>332394860
how is that moving goalposts he says g2a key in his post
>>332393578
>>332394860
Not him, but you're retarded. The original post specifically asks about G2A keys.
>>332392095
Nobody gives a shit, the most I'll pay for a video game is $25 any higher and you can fuck right off, either I'll go on a reseller site or wait for the game to drop to 5 fun bux on Steam
>>332391948
No matter how hard I try theres no way to make sense of this
Gay people just have to be ALL of those things?
>>332395017
... Things over people pay for are free? Maybe to you personally, but they aren't free. Often things aren't available to you unless you pay for them, also. People that pay more get more from those products, and that's far worse than every person paying a set price and getting the same thing.
>>332395290
>>332395268
Every one of those links is about keys from unathorized resellers being revoked. G2A is an unathorized reseller. At any rate, in case you missed it the first time, this is about G2A specifically anyway:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/239140/discussions/0/604941528469344921/
>>332390712
Can I get a refund on a game bought on G2A?
No? That's what I thought.
>>332395428
*other people
>>332390712
1. For 95% of the cases, they are keys bought in cheaper regions, this is simply 'grey market' and thus it'll be completely fine
2. For some unknown %, they are keys bought or gotten through illegitimate means, stolen credit cards or other bullshit, in these cases the keys would be revoked and removed from your account - at which point g2a or g2p will refund you if you ask for it
3. Anyone can sell keys on these sites, these are actually more likely to be stolen and revoked considering its just timmy trying to make a quick buck somewhere
I've definitelybought around 100+ keys from g2play and g2a/kinguin (its all the same company btw) over the years, had 1 key revoked and refunded.
>>332395470
You couldn't get refunds on steam either for 9 years out of 10 but suddenly its a dealbreaker?
Ouch
>>332392559
>Implying copyright monopoly lasting 100+ years is just
>>332395264
There's a difference though from what he said.
Pirating causes devs to lose 'potential' money from people who might buy.
Buying from key sites causes devs to lose actual money over legality issues.
Heh, weird to know that piratefags are actually moralfags in some cases.
>>332395470
You think as a poorfag I'm going to spend money on things nonchalantly without making absolutely sure? Even on Steam this is a new feature.
>Bought Battlefront key from MMOGA
>They wanted a picture of my passport because they are scared of paypal fraud
>Demand refund via live support chat
>full refund within minutes
>try cdkeys.com
>still requires SMS activation, but that's better than sending a passport
>Finally get key
>Key doesn't activate because "already been used"
>support responds within 5 minutes and gives me a new key in 20 minutes.
>wentbetterthanexpected.jpg
Bottom line: legal grey area key stores based in tax havens actually have better customer support than Steam.
Just be careful and use Paypal. They are scared shitless of Paypal.
>>332395470
You can if the key got revoked.
>>332395879
>picture of my passport
what do people use these for?
>>332395290
>>332395268
You are absolutely retarded, there is no such thing as "G2A keys", G2A is just a facilitator site, all it does is connect some chucklefuck with a CD key to you. If fraudulent keys get revoked (pro tip, they do), then there's a good chance a key you buy over a reselling site for 3rd worlders like G2A can and will get revoked when it turns out to have been fraudulently obtained.
>>332392095
That's not how i works. They buy perfectly legal boxed copies in 3rd world shitholes and resell the keys to westerners. Some stores actually send you a photograph of the key that obviously came out of a game box.
>>332395972
What if the game is pure shit, doesn't want to start or crash all the time?
>Buy on a keysite
>Get key revoked
>Valve freezes my account
>Lose all my games
Gee, what a great deal.
>>332396000
I bught dozens of games on kinguin and the only time I got one revoked was when I bought a gift instead of a key. They refunded my money in a week.
>>332396078
That's how it worked once upon a time, nowadays 99% of game keys are region locked precisely due to this.
>>332396238
Bought a Battlefront key for under $30 and what I got was definitely a scan in from a game box.
>>332396221
>Valve freezes my account
This is only if you keep getting games revoked and have very few games.
>>332396378
You are basing that on what exactly? The fact that you trust valve not to deprive you of your game collection?
>>332396370
And what does that prove, exactly?
>>332396450
They wouldn't freeze your account over one revoked game, especially if you've bought plenty from Steam directly.
>>332396458
That region locking only applies to $10 Russian keys. Globally activateable keys are still sold for $20-$30 in other countries. That's what the more reputable key stores sell you.
>>332396671
Again you are basing this on what?
>>332396753
Because valve isnt retarded and wouldn't want to lose all your business when they can just remove your stolen copy and "force" you to buy a legit one, possibly from them?
In other words: common sense
>Buying from 3rd party sites because they cheaper
What are steam sales
>>332396991
>What are steam sales
Those week-long deals when steam pricematches the key sites.
>>332396991
These 3rd party sites offer those prices upon release, without having to wait for steam sales.
>>332396991
>What are steam sales
Even perfectly legal stores like humble store or indiegala have better sales than Steam and often weeks and months before steam.
It's often cheaper to buy a boxed copy of Amazon than to buy a game during a Steam sale.
>>332396989
>Lose all your buisness
Yes, one guy who's clearly buying/using stolen codes. My patronage is ever so valuable to valve, that's why they have the best customer service record of all companies. I mean they know how valuable I am as a customer after all.
>>332396687
>That region locking only applies to $10 Russian keys.
Try buying a Steam gift from LATAM or Asia and come tell me that again.
>Globally activateable keys are still sold for $20-$30 in other countries.
And you assume that from a single Battlefront key which is not a Steam game (I don't think anyone knows nor cares about Origin's policy on region locking), and for all you know it could just be an unwanted birthday gift someone was getting rid of?
>That's what the more reputable key stores sell you.
The more reputable stores sell you keys obtained directly from the publisher through official channels. G2A, Kinguin et al are just eBay for game keys, what kind of key is being sold to you is up to the random dude selling you the key.
>>332397036
keyseller prices NEVER match steam sale prices
>>332397343
now you're reaching
i recently got das2 off g2a as a gift
its the only time I've ever bought outside steam - I have 300 legit steam games
will it be revoked?
>>332397553
>he hasnt seen the last 3 steam sales
Sorry bro, steam now barely goes as low as keysites.
>>332397801
nothing off g2a will be revoked unless you bought they key from some user selling at $1 with 1 star trustworthiness
>>332397709
No, you are. There are millions of steam users, steam has no vested interest in keeping around someone who is harming the integrity of their user base when they have any number of other customers who they can rely on to fill the "hole" left by getting rid of one guy.
>>332397453
>buying a Steam gift
steam gifts are always bought with stolen credit cards. Just because you are dumb enough to buy from Vladimir, who advertises his stolen goods on Kinguin or ebay, doesn't mean all keystores work that way.
Got Tropico 5 off Nuuvem (i.e. an actual Brazilian key store and not just some random Russian) for like $20 on release day. Activates on steam just fine.
>>332392095
>>332391414
Yeah, but Piracy's impossible with Denuvo. It's not like I can freely pick the less bad option and pirate it. So instead I'll try and pay as little as possible.
Also, no actual evidence of this mass creditcard fraud. Perhaps happened once or twice, but that's inevitable for a reseller.
>>332397801
No, you mongol. Some of the faggots ITT are scaremongers or they're game devs (hence against any form of revenue loss). Been using grey market resellers for years, never had my steam account banned. Some keys get revoked now and then, but you can usually get your money back. And you pay so little it's more than worth it.
>>332397894
that's exactly what i meant
>>332398803
Then you should have worded it the other way around
>>332398874
i want to fuck you in the ass? is that how you wanted me to word it you faggot?
>>332399074
>me
>>332399074
Depends, are you a relatively attractive disease-free male between 25 and 35?
>>332399119
yes yes and hmm well I turn 25 this year.
>>332399492
Then sure, I don't mind if you word it that way.
>>332393413
G2A and CJS have always been good for mon region locked games, ignore the steam shills saying they're shady
>>332397801
I highly doubt it, if you own that many Steam games. It would easily fall under their radar.
Even if it somehow does, DaS2 is a bad game, and if you bought it from a shielded user, you can get a refund.
They won't freeze your account either if you've spent that much with them. They'll probably send you a slap-on-the-wrist email.
>>332397453
I am living in Europe but I can access the japanese store and buy things in dollars, I have a bank account in Japan and I contacted steam support and they gave me access to the EU store and Japanese store.
>>332397801
they usually only go after new releases
just don't buy a das3 key
Steam and other services are cracking down on G2A keys, they have been revoking them from peoples accounts if they are purchased with fraudulent funds or they were stolen.
FFXIV for example just recently started banning people who bought their Steam keys from G2A.
>>332401723
>FFXIV for example just recently started banning people who bought their Steam keys from G2A.
Nonsense.
>>332401723
>G2A
As someone said, keys aren't G2A specific, so that makes no sense. G2A is just a hub. If you're going to be a fear mongering retard, you should've just said keys in general.
>>332401723
Right, that's fucking ridiculous. A certain group of keys might have been banned because a credit card was reported stolen. The actual theft of the money probably happened much earlier but people don't check their credit card balance every day.
Nobody's cracking down on anything, unless you have evidence of this happening to more than a single batch of keys.
>>332401959
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/cc7d75935c5ad1928ff9be0b9bc2fd1b14bcf06f
People on the forums and in-game have been complaining that their buddies got banned and surprise surprise they bought their game from a keyreseller site.
>>332402259
>buying cd key for a fucking mmo
they deserve it desu
>>332395359
of course not, dumbass
it just means that if a man has all 3 he's gay
You can also have a Nerd who's also a jerk, but that's not related to the scheme
what about keys that you get through manipulating VAT and other taxes? Can you get your game revoked if the supplier didn't pay some bullshit tax?
>muh stolen keys boogeyman
Most of these guys are simply abusing currency exchange rates.
If Valve and publishers started region-locking keys then it would cease being a major issue. But they don't and then turn around and play the victim when a savvy consumer uses the door they left open.
>>332401723
>cracking down on G2A
lol stfu retard
they're just cracking down on keys bought with stolen cards and in g2a those are the people who don't sell via shield
go fearmonger elsewhere drone
>>332402813
>Most of these guys are simply abusing currency exchange rates.
This. It's not all stolen CCs. The ones that are, are usually insanely cheap, and anyone with a brain would ignore those.
>>332392095
Those Russians may be shady but that's why G2A has stuff in place to help you
>XCOM 2 revoked
>Filed a claim with the seller of the key
>Got a full refund
More than Steam ever did for me
>barely touch game
>Want Steam money back
>"Lol no you owned it too long even though you only played for 10 minutes"
>>332402813
The funny thing is that they DO make the keys which make for the biggest price differences regionlocked
So yeah, playing the victim is truly hypocritical here.
>>332390712
Just email the devs and ask for a demo version. I did this for a few games, and it works.
>>332403058
Those are not comparable events. And even so, I doubt you would get another key 2 weeks later.
>>332403948
I got my refund the very same day actually.
>>332393476
He's not wrong, he just worded it extremely poorly.
WHERE IS THE DARK SOULS 3 TORRENT
>>332404307
>implying it won't have denuvo
>>332391948
>tfw dumb nerd jerk
Wew lad.
>>332404429
It wont as that requires new content.
>>332404307
I have it right here but I can't share it because I promised Namco I wouldn't
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