Valve is fucked
>inb4 valve shills spam this thread
do you truly believe anything is gonna come of this
oh no, valve is going to have to dip into the fountain of money and give some to the australian gov't
it's the end of the world as we know it
Good thing the Feds found out cause it's not like I was going to read the 5,000 page ToA
>>332367238
>Valve closes in Australia
>Ausfags finally have no steam games ever again
MAKE IT HAPPEN
>>332367978
>Valve closes in Australia
>Valve closes down in European Union
Valve is definitely that retarded
>>332367238
Yet there's always people who think EULAs and bullshit "contracts" have any kind of relevance to a court of law
>>332368526
those people are americans
>>332368526
EULA's are only binding in literal kangaroo courts
>Valve had excluded statutory guarantees and/or warranties that goods would be of acceptable quality
Pottery
How the fuck does Valve always get in so much trouble
>>332369504
They've long since turned into huge jews but they're only good at doing it in america where the law favors huge jews
>>332369259
Do kangaroos want to sue netflix over shitty movies now too?
>>332369504
It comes with running your own business
Literally everyone is out to get you no matter how small or stupid things are
Going to court is always just the normal thing to be involved with if you're in charge of something as big as a store or a company as valve
>>332369659
Maybe when early access and kickstarter movies happen.
>>332369734
>valve a good boy he dindu nuffin
>he was just getting his life on track
>they just trying to bring us down
So? Why should we care? Do we get anything out of this? Free games? Anything?
Yawn.....
>>332369025
>Australia
>kangaroo court
Well meme'd anon
>>332367238
>Australians
Yeah right, they sure are fucked
>>332367238
>Gabecucks will defend this
>Australia
Who gives a shit.
>>332367621
And I feel fine.
>australia
>>332367238
Meh, either they give them more cash for operating or just stop operating in Australia for good... either way, they don't really care because they are literally printing money at this point.
>Company gets told off for anti-consumer bullshit
>People defend the company or make fun of the people telling them off
Cucks, the lot of you.
It's a fair judgement but ultimately not much can be done. Valve could just stop operating in Australia, and barely see a dent in their revenue.
>>332367238
>australian federal court
come back to us when it is a real court.
What happens aside from a bunch of lawyers getting rich?
the refund system doesn't comply with Aus law pretty simple
nothing will come of it though
>>332367978
>>332368173
Better idea
>incorporate the refund policies EU/Aus require
>$10 surcharge on $60 games to pay for it
>EU/Aus gamers flip shit
>Federation discussion
>it's a "koala kourt" episode
>>332371178
Valve is going to have to make some changes to comply with Australian Consumer Law. This probably means a way to provide actual refunds rather than their current 'refunds'.
>Australian Law
>>332371178
Well, several things could happen.
Most likely, Valve will have to change how they do business in Australia.
Less likely, Valve will change how they do business internationally using Australia's tough consumer protection laws as a guideline; and least likely, Valve stops offering their services to Australian consumers entirely.
>>332370457
Kangeroo courts a real thing mate.
You uncultured fuck nut
>Canadian Europe law
>>332371046
Wouldn't it be more profitable for them to keep their service in Australia and change their terms to be more consumer friendly? I mean, it's not like they'd actually fucking do it, since this isn't the first time Valve has pulled bullshit like this, but logically it would be the most profitable to keep the service there with some better terms to lure in more potential customers.
>>332371345
They already charge more than the US price.
>>332367238
>Literal kangaroo court
Come back with real news, I have no love for valve but this is just grasping.
>>332371178
Valve are trying to push the notion that they aren't selling goods, but rather selling access to a service. If they get that through, then they basically start again from stage 1. Worst case Ontario: Valve decides Australia isn't worth the trouble
OH NO, Valve gonna hafta shut down Steam.
>>332371598
That's what they did with the EU.
>>332367238
Forget all that shit, when are they going to start dealing in AUD? That's the one thing the fucking kiwis have over us.
>>332369659
Entirely different scenario.
Eat shit, you Napoleonic--law having fuckfaces!
>>332371608
$10 on top of that
In the checkout page put "premium refund law surcharge" and tack an extra 10% on the purchase price.
>>332371615
And my understanding is that the lawyers have gone 'this isn't a service, this is a good that you're restricting like a service, fuck off'.
>>332371895
And what would that achieve?
What does this mean for Canada?
>>332371936
>And what would that achieve?
Recoup any lost income from complying with the new regulations while simultaneously telling the australians why their prices went up.
>Ausfailia
>Mattering
>australians mad about paying the shitposting tax
>>332371952
Canada could actually benifit from this too. Since both countries are based in common law, any Canadian court case like this one could take the Australian judgement into consideration.
>>332372037
>Refunding products for valid reasons
>Lost income
You don't get how this is supposed to work, do you?
>>332367238
fucking europeons ruin everything good
>Australian law xDDDD
how does it feel to have no consumer rights
>>332369504
>Valve breaks the law trying to sell goods of questionable quality with no refunds
>EU forces them to introduce refund policy like any other store
>they try to restrict it to 2 hours after purchase and ban anyone who issues a credit card charge back
>Australian court demands they offer refunds like anyone else
It's only burgers and the dumbest drones who think Valve is their friend or that electronic media should be a fucking lucky dip.
Australia saving the day again. You're welcome digital world.
>>332369504
Because they blatantly try to dodge legislation for profit ?
>>332372187
They're so used to it that they lash out at those with them.
As an Austrlian.
Fuck me it is crazy how much you bloody yanks loathe goverment intervention.
>>332372206
Except the 2 hour limit is bullshit. I got a refund on Arslan 15 hours of gameplay later. It's case by case
This means I can finally refund DayZ.
>>332371821
how?
>>332371365
Star Fox sucks. It's a shit series that only retarded diaper wearing furries enjoy.
>>332372342
They're so used to being cucked that they now autocuck.
>>332372547
Netflix is a subscription service that gives you access to the entire library.
Steam is a retailer that sells licences to individual products.
>>332369504
Tongue-slapping Europeans and Ausfags don't understand why intellectual property can't be refunded
>>332372667
cool brah
>Valve had excluded statutory guarantees and/or warranties that goods would be of acceptable quality
What? Lets let the consumer take some of the fucking blame, they can do their own fucking research before buying. Buying a game with poor optimization, or just overall shit quality shouldn't happen if you spend 15min looking shit up.
>All these >Australia posts
>All these people not knowing what presidents are
>All these people not understanding humans dont like it when their neighbors get better shit then them
It always starts like this. It may not amount to anything now but as news spreads the idea that Valve and other companies cant do this is planted in people heads. That idea is what important. Then the next time Valve fucks up the idea grows. Soon They risk losing everything if they dont conform.
Does that mean the app stores for iPhone or android are next?
I mean they've got some pretty shit games on there too.
>>332372840
The idea is that a company can't knowingly sell a product that isn't fit for purpose or of acceptable quality for what it's supposed to be. These are good things to have in law, anon.
>>332372792
>mmmm yes give me more of your delicious corporate cock
americucks crack me up
>>332372840
Private companies cannot overrule federal legislation.
Welcome to Australia.
>>332372840
>Let's let the consumer take some of the fucking blame
You were a snake oil salesman in another life, weren't you?
>>332372840
it's more about the their refund policy rather than the product in this case
>>332372957
When you're dealing in apps that cost at most $5 for an outright purchase you really start getting into arguments of what constitutes 'acceptable quality'. ACL also doesn't even know where to begin when it comes to in-app purchases.
>>332373016
lets be frank here, its Australia so its probably has little to do with quality of performance and more with what content the game has.
>>332373042
you rely on corporations you dumb communist
>>332372957
it's not 'shit' games. The ACL would only cover games that are outright broken or unfinished. Games that are objectively of unacceptable quality to be sold.
>>332373565
The difference been that just because we 'rely' on them dosen't mean they get to choose what laws they follow.
>>332372342
Because a lot of the time government is run by absolute retards. Like yours for instance.
>>332372840
>You shouldn't expect the goods you've bought to actually work!
Your asshole must be huge, considering how often you receive corporate cock.
So.. what is it that Valve aren't doing properly according to straya law?
What's wrong with their current refund system?
>>332373889
Really your whole way of saying our goverment is retarded is the rating system.
You had so many better things to choose from and you use the rating system.
I'm going to assume you are from the US, and I don't even need to try to explain what's wrong with how your country is run.
On a scale of 1 to MKUltra how brainwashed are our Ameribros?
Why did you betray me /v/?
>>332367238
>Australia
>Steam
Literally could not care an ounce less
since when do Australians play video games? I thought they were too busy wrestling crocs and getting stabbed in the heart.
>>332374061
>and I don't even need to try to explain what's wrong with how your country is run.
That's my point. The govt is filled with retards so people don't want them intervening. Just look at the retarded gun laws that try to get introduced that are based on nothing, but how scary a gun looks and trying to hold the manufacturer responsible for what someone does with that gun.
>>332374004
It's not an actual refund system. You can't remove the money from the ecosystem, only spend it on other things. It also places arbitrary restrictions that don't follow the law.
>>332367238
>Valve had excluded statutory guarantees and/or warranties that goods would be of acceptable quality
This is a completely arbitrary and unenforceable load of shit
>Play game
>It's perfectly fine
>Claim it's not good quality
>Expect refund
>>332374309
>You can't remove the money from the ecosystem, only spend it on other things.
Factually wrong.
>It also places arbitrary restrictions that don't follow the law.
Are you a lawyer?
>>332374083
I'd give it a solid "candidate that advocates for bigger government and more state-sponsored domestic surveillance is considered 'anti-establishment'"
>>332374246
I think you are getting a bit off topic there mate.
I live in a country where we don't have mass shootings.
Don't try to preach some crap about second amendmant rights to me.
>>332374004
This is probably a suit/claim from before Valve introduce refunds. Also we have a thing that 'anything said or written, presented by the seller constitutes a promise' so if Valve says "It can do X, Y, Z!" but it can't, that's a breach of contract between Valve and the Consumer, i don't know, but that might constitute the "Reviews" and 'Curator' section's statements as legally binding because they're presented by Valve.
Also their previous stance of "NO WARRANTIES NO REFUNDS" breaks Australia Consumer Law.
I'm gonna laff if i can get every game i've bought prior to refunds being introduced refunded because of this.
Based Consumer Laws 2bh.
>>332374143
does anyone have the updated version?
>>332374465
>I'm gonna laff if i can get every game i've bought prior to refunds being introduced refunded because of this.
You can.
>>332374540
>mfw
>>332371952
Game prices will go up another $10
>The worlds biggest shitposters finally go too far and shitpost Valve so hard they quit kola-land and we finally have a site free from the shear cuckery that is nopestralia...... can't happen soon enough i say.
>>332372187
Better than having no internet packages over 5mbps
>>332374597
THE PRICE JUST WENT UP TEN DOLLARS HIGHER
>>332371615
>Worst case Ontario
What?
>>332374707
THAT'S BECAUSE YOUR DOLLAR IS LOSING VALUE AT AN ALARMING RATE
Hey serious question. Has Australia contributed anything to gaming in any meaningful way? Or are they just consuming shit and complaining?
Australia confirmed for no
>GAMES
>GUNS
>INTERNET
I feel bad for anyone born on that rock
>>332371615
>Best case scenario
FTFY
>>332374462
It's not off topic at all. You asked why people were averse to government intervention, I answered.
>I live in a country where we don't have mass shootings.
That's cool, I live in an area with no mass shootings too.
It doesn't even matter if you believe in gun rights or not, and you must be pretty dense if you can't see the point I'm making. It's just an example of how the government tries to implement a system that makes absolutely no sense.
>>332374769
Ontario is a fucking canadian shithole of a place
>>332374373
Last I checked unless you totally something like $100 you can't 'cash-out'.
>Are you a lawyer
Yes.
>>332374832
LA Noire before Rockstar shut it down for wasting money on meme gameplay mechanics
>>332374832
Aside from endless shitposting?.... no... no they haven't.
>>332374083
dude the first thing an american experiences is the Jew snipping his cock. They are trained to spread buttcheeks for corporate dick literally from birth.
>>332374813
The rate has actually slowed and even rebounded a tiny bit.
Doesn't matter though, oil could spike and we could shoot to $1.10 USD again and games would still be $79.99
It's Canadian tradition, since as far back as the 70s, that prices go up during bad times but NEVER go down during good times.
We basically have a special inflation that applies to our product prices that is always going up regardless of exchange rate.
>>332374879
What? Australians would laugh at a joke like that
>>332374462
>I live in a country where we don't have mass shootings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
Banning guns cause of that false flag sure worked out, huh? Such a peaceful country.
>>332374904
t. Wannabe Californian, unwashed Frenchie, or unemployed oilnigger.
>>332374832
Complaining is a big part of why we play video games tho
>>332375080
>All those single digit scores
Top kek straya, you guys fucking suck at this.
>>332374876
You really shouldn't, they had literally high level criminal ancestors.
They come from violent, shit genes.
>>332375135
Cali already got it's own Ontario tho
>>332374832
> On /v/
> Implying complaining about Video Games isn't all anyone ever does anyway.
> On /v/
>>332375080
>Massacre
>3 deaths
Jesus, 3 deaths is a Sunday strolling in the park for Americans.
>>332374309
That's incorrect. It specifically states that the reason it happened was PRIOR to refunds.
Kill yourself uneducated moron.
Also, your statement is factually incorrect you fucking mental midget
>>332375080
Yeah my country has one page and some of those are serial murderers.
If you want wiki pages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_States
>>332375248
Lindt cafe was fun
disappointed no DOOM mods came of it
>>332375039
Why would you lower your prices when things are better ? If people were able to afford them in bad times surely they can still afford them in good times
>>332375080
>Stark decrease in both number of kills and frequency after the gun ban
Uh oh, better delete this.
>>332374309
When you submit a refund, you can select to go out to your credit card, or steam credit.
That's removing from eco system.
What the fuck else do you mean?
>>332375407
>Why would you want to pay proper prices when you could be paying 40% more than Americans.
>>332375442
That's implying you aren't going to spend that money on something else.
Bootyblasted Americans are fun.
with 7 billion people on earth a few mass shootings aren't that bad. if anything the chink countries should really look into supplying their population with guns, wayy too many of them already.
>>332368526
what a retarded statement. EULAs are no more bullshit then any other piece of paper you sign, its the government, they can do whatever they want.
>>332375493
I guess this just means americans not as big of cucks as canadians
As a consumer you obviously don't want that but as a business you always want to be charging as much as you can
>>332375418
If you look at the actual murder statistics then the gun ban didn't seem to change anything though. Australia's gotten pretty lucky recently, though. Imagine if the guy in the cafe siege had decided to just murder as many people as possible instead of taking hostages and letting a million cops show up before he did anything. That would have been some bad shit.
>>332375701
What the fuck does that mean about anything? If you spent money on steam, it came from a source, Credit, debit, or gc. You have to send it to one of those or steam credit. Why does it matter what you're going to spend it on?
>>332375732
take your little thongs there and giiit out
>>332375793
Was this post supposed to have a point?
>Businesses want high prices, consumer don't
Wow thanks for the addition to the conversation.
>>332375747
Except i could write in a EULA "Your firstborn son belongs to me" and it'll get the fuck out. If you make a EULA that is against the Law (the law in this context, being Australian law) it doesn't suddenly mean you can break the law.
> "I am allowed to murder people, signed Reginald T Dickwad"
> See! I signed a EULA that gave me permission to do it officer!
>>332375741
Horse shit, the chinks have actually been doing pretty fucking good when it comes to population. The real bad places are India and the Africa.
>>332375971
Didn't they just revoke 1 child policy though? That's probably what's been keeping shit in check.
>>332375880
Well the post it replied too was literally I don't want to pay more for my video games. Wow really ? i always wished they were 200% more expensive
We're having a great conversation out here
>>332375794
"mass shootings" are a red herring anyways, they're a fucking stupid way to look at crime
>murder is up but at least there are no mass shootings
>>332367238
Valve needs to get fucked more often
Maybe they'll stop wasting their time on useless shit like linuxboxes, gamepads and big picture
>arguing over their countries economic policies as if the Illuminati Freemasons don't already control everything
>>332369504
They own the monopoly on PC digital game distribution, every world government has realized they can get a free slice of the pie if they just whine enough to get free money.
>>332376065
Yeah but most experts don't expect any major growth for a variety of reasons. Partially because now most of the population is urban, and there is a focus on smaller families and financially supporting any children through school and life rather than popping out babies to have help on the farm. Not to mention even most of the people who were allowed to have multiple children (exemptions under the original law) chose not to.
>>332367238
>corporation that literally makes millions by selling virtual skins made by the same people paying for them is taken to court
ok so they win
>>332376065
They revoked it because of a serious imbalance between male and female population. You know the adopted Chinese kid thing? That's because girls are considered less valuable for now outdated reasons (less help on the farm, have to pay the husband's family a sum, doesn't continue the family name etc) and often left to die as infants. Now they're at something like 60/40 male/female going forwards.
>>332376443
Neat.
>>332376150
He doesn't want to pay more than YOU do. He wants everyone to pay the same, all currencies being respectably adjusted. Makes sense, especially when the product is digital and offers no logistical challenges in shipping or distribution.
>>332376539
This guy gets it. Why should I pay more for the same damn files everybody else is getting?
>>332375971
>2004-2050
You can't really predict much on that scale
>>332376539
>>332376624
>>332376624
>Why should I pay more for the same damn files everybody else is getting?
it's called price discrimination and its great because everyone can get a product at a price they find fair. Australians are just willing to pay more so companies charge more. It's the same reason why a game can sell for $60 and then for $5 in a sale later on.
>>332367238
>implying Valve hasn't gone to shit in the recent years
>new shitsales policy
>no EU regional pricing, even for non euro-zone countries
They can kiss my ass.
>[Current Year]
>buying video games
>>332367238
Australians were entitled to and actively receiving refunds long before the refunds policy was ever a thing on Steam, so whilst Valve obviously hadn't bothered with legally updating their Policies and Agreements to reflect it, they were most certainly aware of it.
On a side note, Australian consumer law is hilariously awesome, it's one of the few things this shithole got right.
>>332376908
I thought it was because Aussies had a $25/hr minimum wage so their money in general is worth less?
>implying "acceptable quality" is possible to define in the context of video games
rofl
>>332376796
Not really, past predictions on that scale have been within +-20% error (and this is talking about predictions from more than 65 years ago), and these days data of never before seen accuracy is so freely flowing predictions are going to be much more accurate than they ever were before. There's also historical trends and other things that can inform such demography.
>>332377171
That's not the only reason, but you're right about it being worth less. That other guy is retarded.
60 USD is about 80 AUD
>>332377212
It's extremely easy to define, if you the consumer are unhappy with it, you can refund it.
>>332377459
yeah no
>>332377428
yes anon the basics of running a business that any successful person comprehends and uses is retarded. gotta love /v/
>>332377482
Yeah, yeah.
Look it up and quit being an ignorant sperg.
>>332377593
the law doesn't work on feelings
maybe in the land down under where minimum wage is $25 an hour it does but I wouldn't know
For what period of time can you own a game and still get a full refund in Australia?
Also, does owning but not downloading the game make any difference insofar as that?
>>332377171
But that's not our minimum wage. I also love how the minimum wage is apparently representative of average wage or purchasing power.
>>332377643
>the law doesn't work on feelings
Yes it fucking does you nub, otherwise shit like rape wouldn't be a crime.
>but I wouldn't know
Clearly.
Quick question to any Australians here. Do Abbos play video games? Could I identify one just from their voice? I've run into a bunch of Aussies but I don't think any of them have been Abbos.
They're just so weird looking, they creep me the fuck out.
>>332378365
They don't.
>>332378365
Think of the amish crossed with homeless niggers. That's an abo.
>>332378365
>Do Abbos play video games?
You'll never run into a pure-bred online
>Could I identify one just from their voice?
No but you can from their speech
> I've run into a bunch of Aussies but I don't think any of them have been Abbos
Purebreds are rather rare outside of really rural towns, they are basically useless sacks of flesh that do nothing but drink. Half breeds aren't an issue though as they are raised in the normal society, they just tend to be a tad slow or stupid. The less Abbo blood they have the better they are off
Basically you'll never meet one unless it's one of those rare abbos that is a exception to the rule or if you actively search for them.
>>332371615
I thought that whole "it's not a good it's a service" was debunked when the EU case happened, for the same exact situation
>Ausfalia courts
>Ausfailia
Nothing to see here, folks. Let's find a thread about webms or something.
>>332372547
Well isn't netflix a monthly sub that lets you watch whatever you want, when you want?
It's not a pay-per-view service, so you can't refund a "view"
>>332374531
he looks like amazing atheists's dad in the last pic.
I would suck the cock of GabeN but I'd go full Islam on their customer support.
Glad to see it hasn't gotten any better in the past 5 fucking years since I've started steam
>>332376370
>they own a monopoly
No
>>332379050
Netflix is an actual service. Steam is not. Steam is a product distribution platform and what you get on it are products.
>>332378141
because it is, if everyone in your shitty country earns "more", your value is worth "less"
>>332379516
That's what I'm kinda trying to say
The whole "goods as a service" thing was brought up in the EU case and was thrown out essentially, which is why the refunds became a thing for everyone
Netflix being a service, that you pay access for, and are able to watch everything they have to offer
>>332370975
But it's fine when Valve does it, and it's fine when it happens to Australia
