http://www.gamespot.com/articles/metal-gear-solid-actor-david-hayter-ive-got-no-par/1100-6436041/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0b
>Kojima wanted to replace Hayter as early as MGS3, he even made him re-audition for the role as Naked Snake
I still don't get it why is Hayter such a celeb among the voice actors? What's so special about his performance as Snake?
>Hayter still has fans
Truly remarkable
>>332345995
It's not so much his performance as much as the fact that he was the voice of Snake, one of gaming's biggest icons.
I'd be upset if I lost a long term job too but this guy has been such a baby about it for so long I wish they could've fired him harder or something. Maybe double-fired I dunno.
>>332345995
He's the Kevin Conroy of video games.
>kep ya waitihuh
>ocelit
>bad boss
We should all be thankful Snake was quiet for most of GZ and TPP.
>>332346184
>>332345995
He's fucking not, he's just a child who will throw a fit if he doesn't get his way.
>>332346173
If that was the only factor that made you relevant as VA, Charles Martinet would be the icon of the entire industry.
>>332346291
>implying Hayter defines MGS
>>332345835
Makes sense, Big Boss should have had a different voice from the getgo
>>332346184
This, they should re-hire and fire him immediately just to piss him off.
>>332346291
Exactly, I bet we've heard more about that shit from Hayter than from Sutherland and it was that nigga's job for like a decade.
His butthurt is off the charts, the whole thing became absurd long ago but kept going anyway.
>The whole thing could have been handled better and a little more respectfully, but I'm not going to cry about it.
>>332346423
I mean, people don't talk about him, but you'd be damn sure a ton of people would notice if he were to have left before.
[spoilers]now, I don't know. He still does luigi perfectly, but his Mario has sounded much less enthused.[/spoiler]
>>332346423
Besides Mario, Martinet is known for being an all around cool guy who knows multiple languages and charms other people in his interviews, even does voicework for things that aren't Mario.
>>332345835
will hayter ever stop being salty? Is he capable of moving on?
>>332346291
How incredibly petty.
>>332345835
>Hayter brings a lot of personality to MGS with his campy and over the top performance
>Sutherland is monotone and completely serious the whole time
Yes, I'm sure everyone would have loved Snake if he was completely stoic and mundane from the start.
>>332345835
Why is there so much commotion over the role that literally requires the 80's Sunday morning cartoon level of performance?
>>332346671
ctrl+s.
"Casting Hayter in the first place was a mistake," Kojima 2016
>>332346805
>>332346448
Why? Isn't he the guy that Solid is a clone from? He has the same VA in the japanese dub, including MGS5 (except in MGS4 where the old Big Boss is voiced by Snake's VA's dad).
>>332347002
>>332345835
These pictures don't mean much now that Kojima is gone and MGS is dead.
>>332347423
>MGS is dead
You wish it were. Konami will keep sending out its reanimated corpse to the hungry public and they will keep asking for more.
>>332348145
Dead in the sense that everyone else uses the term here, when a series has gone off the deep end, like Megaman or Castlevania or Breath of Fire.
>>332348145
This is a really bothersome trend in general. The (for the lack of better word) normie crowd that AAA milks these days lacks the ability to recognize the downfall of a franchise and is instead hellbent supporting it zealously like their very life depended on it.
>>332347154
In Japanese all the Snake clones have the same VA. Maybe not Liquid I can't remember
Big Boss should have been voiced by Solidus's actor over Snake's. But really should have been a new actor all together and no mullet to separate him as his own character. Casuals still think MGS3 is Solid Snake
>>332348858
I always thought they used English dub in Japan just like Resident Evil.
>>332348145
>implying Konami will make any more video games period
Man, /v/ really had me convinced that this game was going to end with the battle at Outer Heaven and Hayter would play as young Solid again.
>>332348976
They did hire people for the new project. Unless they mismanage it more than they usually do, some kind of attempt at continuing MGS will eventually get released.
Maybe he should have been more professional instead of having such a bloated head and ego just for doing live action Guyver and penning Xmen 2.
Maybe take a page from Phil Lamarr or Mark Hamill on how to work in entertainment, you know guys that have done jobs in film, tv, animation, and games while getting regular work.
>>332348976
They have a game called ''VS Bomberman'' for iOS this year.
It just seemed strange how he was replaced in the last game in the series. Doesn't matter now. I'm almost happy that the series is dead now so it can't be milked more.
>>332349237
You're pretty dumb desu there was nothing to ever suggest that
>>332349237
People were convincing themselves for years that this was all a big ruse cruise by Kojima, just like Joakim, and that Hayter would be in the games.
Then GZ came out, and then TPP, and those people just stood there, crying on the inside.
>>332346291
Didn't Sutherland choose to quit 24? That makes a pretty big difference.
>>332349664
As angry as everyone got, I don't think they really had the right target. Keither Sutherland has like...thirty lines in the whole game. It's fucking Robert Atkin Downs who is screaming his head off and chewing the scenery with Miller for 95% of the run time.
>When we thought Hayter was just rusing
>When we realized there was no ruse and he was actually crying on twitter for 2 years
David Hayter should just say fuck you to Kojima and record himself reading out all Keith's lines and post them online, then let someone patch those into the game.
Metal Gear Solid 5 - Patched David Hayter Version
>>332350217
You know, he's probably spiteful enough to do it. The only problem is that no one gives enough of a shit about MGS5 to actually do the patch.
>>332350126
ouch
>>332345835
>"The whole thing could have been handled better and a little more respectfully, but I'm not going to cry about it."
>but I'm not going to cry about it.
kek'd.
>>332350113
>>332345995
Because he's been in the biz for a long time and is a pretty stand up guy. When they remade MGS for the gamecube, Hayter gave up part of his pay so they could have the entire original cast return.
He's also good friends with the VAs he works with and genuinely enjoys the stuff he contributes to.
>>332345835
Is hating Hayter the new meme?
Yes, he got astronomically butthurt, but honestly I can't imagine MGS3 without Snake's trademark voice.
And let's face it, Snake/BB/whatever lost all his charm in V.
>>332350217
Have you ever sat and thought deeply how Hayter's voice would of sounded out of place with everyone else?
>>332350541
>stand-up guy
Yeah, my favourite stand-up of his is when he goes on his weekly rants about no longer being the voice of Snake
>Liked Hayter until MGS4
>Kiefer does a fantastic job in the few lines he does speak
I wish they replaced him as Snake sooner
>>332350548
>Is hating Hayter the new meme?
People were on his side at the beginning, but all this butthurt just made him look like a huge child. This is supposed to be his profession, so it's natural to expect some degree of professionalism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuOvDyNEDYk
The salt is strong on this one. Keith sounds way more professional
>>332350632
wouldn't matter, I'm sure some audiophiles out there would modify his voice with a sound program to make it sound more natural in game.
>>332350548
He didn't even get THAT assblasted. 99% of the tweets that got posted here were fake.I like Sutherland more though. Just wish he had had more dialog.
>>332351062
>Those tapes of him as actual boss
I want mooooooooore!
>>332350780
Kiefer is garbage, and no that's not me defending Hayter's garbage voice acting in 4 or PW.
>>332345835
Kiefer is simply superior to David
>>332351062
>99% of the tweets that got posted here were fake.
They are not, they're all real. That's why people stopped defending him in the first place.
>>332345835
His body seems to be comprised of about 95% salt
>>332345835
Well yeah, Big Boss is a different character to Solid, it makes sense he'd want to recast him in 3. Hayters acting as BB in Peace walker is awful. And Snake in V isn't even BB, so why the hell would he have the same voice?
Hayter really didn't help himself out with the whole bitter twitter campaign either. I mean, not telling him he wasn't being cast did suck no doubt, but come the fuck on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmHP41CgwTw#t=2m1s
>>332345835
Why do these threads even get posts? Sutherland is objectively better than that other guy. It's not that I personally dislike it it's that his voice acting abilities are not that good. Is there like a voice acting "So you think you can voice act" so we can put him on their so everyone can finally see how shitty he is? He speaks in questions. He is not a good voice actor. His skills are sub par.
as in NOT GOOD.
Do people genuinely enjoy david hayter? Why? He sounds like what it would sound if I wanted to voice snake myself. Just make your voice a little hoarse and you get david hayter. We can all literally do the David Hayter.
What the fuck is going on.
>>332351659
>Big Boss is a different character to Solid
A clone.
>it makes sense he'd want to recast him in 3
>And Snake in V isn't even BB, so why the hell would he have the same voice?
Solid and BB still have the same japanese voice actor, only exception being grampa BB in MGS4.
>>332350632
You mean it might have some passion and interest?
Hayter should have been dropped after 2 tbqh
Even by 3 his voice was starting to be shit. You can maybe give 4 a bit of leeway because old snake but it was still shit. PW was an atrocity.
I got really disappointed with the replacement. There's a somewhat recent car commercial that shows Hayter can still sound great as Snake.
Sutherland was boring as fuck, and the reason Venom has so little dialogue.
Literally the worst that could've happened.
>>332345835
JUST
>>332351892
I don't think that people realize that Kojima only wanted to replace Hayter since MGS2 so he could get a big name actor to voice Snake, which he finally did with TPP. It had nothing to do with Big Boss being a different character or anything as like you said they still have the same Japanese VA. Kojima doesn't even cast and direct the English actors like he does the Japanese ones so getting a celeb as the English Snake is just more publicity and a "why not?" situation.
>>332351892
yeah but the japanese VA is actually good, though
>>332351820
cuz people grew up with him.
I've always hated Hayter, it feels good knowing that I'll outlive him by decades. All that salt should kill him by 2020 at the latest. I'll play through MGS1 in Japanese the day he dies, a fitting celebration.
>Kojima hires an A list celebrity
>decides to ditch Hayter
>Hayter tries to direct movies
>flops at that too
His only talent was Snake, can't believe he got so mad.
>>332345835
IF Hayter was replaced, so should the JP voice actor. That's a fact,
That said. Hayter was amazing in 1, and pretty good in 2. However I feel "Naked Snake" should have been played by another VA. Hayter could have returned for Old Snake. Keifer, albeit the very small amount he actually talks, was an amazing sounding Snake.
That also said. Hayter *IS* Snake. I've been playing since MGS1. Replacing him, and not replacing the JP was a disgrace, and says a lot about Kojima. Anyone remember Kojima removing the guy who properly localized MGS1 just because he didn't do a direct translation (including tons of stupid shit Kojima put in)? Kojima always did best when he had someone who challenged his ideas.
Kojima is literally the George Lucas of video games.Hayter voice in MGS1 > Keef Voice in V > the rest.
>>332345835
I wanted Big Boss to have his own voice from the get go.
I didn't dislike Hayter until MGS3 where he's just trying to play the same character as before but not really. I liked it way better when he was the personal voice of Solid Snake. All the other Snakes had gotten their own voice actors as well so reusing Hayter always felt really cheap to me.
>>332353275
>Kojima always did best when he had someone who challenged his ideas.
Hayter didn't challenge any ideas he just did a stupid voice and got fired for it.
>>332350548
>Snake's trademark voice
But that's Akio Ohtsuka.
Oh, wait. You mean Hayter. Uh, so which one? The shitty gravelly one he gave to Big Boss because he couldn't sound like his old MGS1/MGS2 voice anymore, or that old voice?
>>332346501
>MGS is Hayters life
>It's really the only thing he was ever in
>He was never paid all that much
>Gave up half his salary for TTS to have the rest of the cast rejoin
>Has played every MGS game
>Keef has made hundred plus million from doing 24
>It's just one of the many things hes done in life
>He will go on to do something bigger and better anyway
That's probably why Hayter is sour, and Keifer isn't. Plus Keifer handles things more maturely.
>>332353584
BTFO
>>332353241
I liked Wolves actually
>>332353584
savage
>>332353421
No, I meant MGS1 and somewhat of 2 Kojima wasn't the only main man in charge. By the time of MGS4 and V, he was literally entirely in charge. He could put anything in, and nobody would question it. It's why he wasted millions on just having fucking Joost in, because Koijma wanted her as a waifu.
>>332345835
You guys even wonder what Kiefer thought when he decided to do the lines for Snake?
>>332353584
Otsuka really does embody Snake. It's a shame there are no undubs for the MGS series.
>that voice
>that voice that doesn't change for arbitrary reasons
>actually seriously started learning Russian for MGS3
>got his dad to play Big Boss at the end of MGS4, just to make the scene that much more real
There's a fair number of interesting Otsuka stories too not related to MGS.
>>332353582
>>Has played every MGS game
not 5.
>>332354035
Are you under the impression that because Kiefer likes to party and lets himself be photographed partying that he cannot take an acting job seriously?
Pretty much every celebrity is a piece of shit who drinks and does a shitload of drugs. Kief at least sticks to the former.
>>332354061
MGSV has dual audio on PC, if that means anything to you.
>>332354035
Probably wondering how he'd stayed sober for long enough to kind of learn what metal gear solid was
>>332354157
5? There is no MGS5.
>>332354061
>>332354245
also his voice in V is really good, he sounds grittier in a non retarded way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MHLBb6HtRI
>>332350126
so what happens in these cases, is David Hayter going to start selling some ass?
>>332354061
Plus the way Snake smokes cigarettes is completely patterned after Otsuka.
>>332354429
hi david.
>>332354035
is that skin diamond? fuck
>>332345835
I know people love to trash on Hayter now, but reauditioning for a role you previously had isn't uncommon at all. Quinton Flynn had to reaudition for Raiden for both MGS4 AND Rising.
>>332354556
>>332354035
shit, didn't see the filename. yep, they fucked
>>332354035
That look in her eye, You just KNOW
I just can't wait for him to stop this and let go.
I don't even want to make fun of him anymore. The second hand embarrassment is too much.
If he had just taken it on the chin like a man people would have thrown him some sympathy roles and then he could have moved onto other projects from there.
Nobody wants to deal with a grown man that has spent years throwing fucking tantrums.
Just shut up already, shit.
>>332354491
He's basically finished as a filmmaker. Most of that lost money was Canadian taxpayer funds, but the smear on his career will always remain.
Maybe if he spent more time learning how to make movies instead of being salty on twitter, it would've turned out better. Maybe gotten a distributor who could've helped it at least break even.
Maybe if he keeps his mouth shut, he'll get to play Snake again for some minor part like Brawl. MGS is over anyhow, but I don't think he can succeed at anything other than voiceovers.
>>332353275
>IF Hayter was replaced, so should the JP voice actor. That's a fact
Nah, Otsuka voicing BB in 3, MPO, PW and V makes sense, considering he voiced Solidus as well.
As petty as his response is, MGSV proved that Kojima is a raging fucking hack and that entire bit about Kurt Russel really convinced me that it's a fucking miracle that Fukushima was still on board to stop Kojima from going full retard with 3
>Hayter is actually mad and it wasn't just some elaborate ruse
>>332351892
Also old BB was played by the Snake voice actor's actual father.
>>332350541
>mfw literally the only thing people say when they defend Hayter as a "friendly guy" is how he gave up part of his salary to get the original voice cast for an abomination of a game that shouldn't even exist
Wew lads.
>>332345995
Because mgs fans are super austistic and since hayter has displayed behavior that could be defined as on the spectrum there is an instant connection
>>332355207
Yeah, they'd had a falling out years before and hadn't spoken for a long time, but Kojima sneakily cast his dad as aged BB without telling him andactually successfully managed to reconcile them.
>>332354035
He was excited to be part of the new (to him, anyway) digital frontier, and an opportunity to engage in a kind of acting he hasn't done before (a mix of voice acting and mo-cap).
In the 80s / 90s people thought technology would replace actors entirely. Obviously that hasn't happened, but the kind of acting Andy Serkis did as "Gollum" with mo-cap and greenscreen showed that a synthesis of CGI and actor is possible in a realistic and compelling way.
Around here we look at "movie game" as a bad thing, but to a movie actor being part of a "movie game" is a natural and provocative idea; always better to be on the forward side of change rather than be left behind, even if it turns out to be a one-off or niche thing.
Or, maybe he's secretly a huge nerd and this his chance to play a cooler James Bond.
Doubles Guy fucking wishes he could play Snake, even as he vehemently denies it and pretends video games are for nerds while begrudgingly admitting to playing them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxbjI9wSYpw
This is like running into an old friend you lost contact with wandering the streets at night, drunk as fuck, alone, with piss running down his pants.
Just take him behind the shed and end it already.
>>332353545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LmxXeKzbT8
He still has that voice.
>>332346462
>Kojima calls Hayter, tells him he's gearing up to make MGS6 and he wants Hayter in it
>Hayter gets pumped, literally crying tears of joy
>after a month of work Kojima comes in the recording studio and tells Hayter that he's fired, and a bum Kojima picked up from the street is his replacement
What a gay
>>332345835
the saddest thing from we got from mgsV release was learning that all the comments hayter made on twitter were not part of a rue cruise but actual butthurt
>>332346306
>this guy isn't famous because I don't like his tweets
sure thing pal
>>332345835
so Big Boss was always a different voice actor and Hayter has been throwing a fit longer than mgs gz's announcement, this goes all the way back to mgs3, Christ, what a nutcase.
>tfw we could've had a better portrayal of Big Boss in mgs3 like mgsv and mgs4, specially for those sad moments with the boss.
>>332355334
>the only thing they have to prove he's not a dick is evidence
>>332350126
it was an ok movie though
seen much worse movies and werewolf movies
>>332346423
Lou Albano will always be the voice of Mario for me.
God, just put him in a fucking mental institution before someone finds him hanging from a noose, clutching a Snake action figure while Snake Eater plays on repeat in the background
>>332350126
I don't get why you retards act like the film flopping is his fault, the retard company that published it didn't put any effort into marketing the film
>>332356081
fucking this
>>332354035
>tfw no threesome with Kief and Skin Diamond
>>332354035
>>332350126
Imagine getting fired from a job you love, putting all your effort forward into something new and someone telling you you're 17.5M$ out of pocket.
>>332349937
If snake had chewed the scenery people would have liked it.
>>332350126
Wow, people really hayted that movie.
>>332350780
Yeah, Kiefer showed a lot of range with all the autistic, emotionless lines he delivered.
>>332345995
mgs1 performance was his only good performance.
and he was only Solid Snake, not Big Boss, his self entitled ownership of Big Boss only became a thing with 5, he never had issues with it in 4.
>>332355915
>>332345835
>MFW they could've used Christopher Meloni to play Big Boss or even Jensen Ackles
>>332355334
Ah yes, TS is too crazy for a serious and realistic series like Metal Gear.
>>332356752
>Detective Stabler playing big boss
THIS FUCKING THIS.
He would've been perfect as Big Boss.
>>332356752
>it's a I got a crush on my daughter and I'm a cyborg episode
He's the only good thing from black ops 3
>>332355623
>MGS6
You mean Steel Cog.
>>332356941
someone should tweet him bb lines from mgs3 and ask him to read it.
>>332356260
The movie didn't get well received quality-wise either you know.
>>332357304
Steel Cog Firm?
>>332356081
Hello, Dobson.
>>332357465
While that may be some fault to Hayter, that doesn't have to do with how much money it made
Transformers 4 has an 18% on Rotten Tomatoes and still made over a billion dollars
>>332357837
The point being that he's not good at making movies either. Whether or not other trash happens to make money doesn't matter.
>>332357624
No matter how many times I see it, I still marvel at how that faggot can delude himself.
>>332357624
But doesn't he also think that Link has pink hair?
>>332358082
He's suicidal now.
>>332358241
Anything but Blonde, because Dobson has a deep rooted and deeply unhealthy vendetta against Blonde hair
>>332359385
>>332346671
He changed his Mario because he started doing Luigi. Old Mario kinda sounded too much like Luigi does now. So he made the pitch sound a little higher.
>>332357624
>Dobson
Nah. Dobson is a faggot, but I really can't stand Charles Martinet's Mario voice.
>>332357624
HE ACTUALLY THINKS THE DiC CARTOONS ARE CANON.
>>332355895
He's really not though. If not for MGS, literally no one would know or care about this guy.
>>332356560
>hayted
That would imply people even knew or gave a shit about it to begin with.
>>332360414
He also had that Xmen 2 thing.
