You know, this game really wasn't that bad.
It was good, but the pace was really slow and it made it tiring after a while. 13-2 was great and lightning returns too but they got hindered by the slowfest this was
XIII-2 is good but there was nothing good in XIII.
If this was remastered with several tweaks like add 13-2 battle system tweaks, free up crystarium, add portals to older zones. I think it would be much better.
>>332342316
True. It really isn't as bad as people say.
I personally picked it up for dirt cheap couple years ago, despite having heard all sorts of shit about it.
The BEGINNING really didn't even try to prove all the bad claims about it wrong, but luckily, to my own surprise as well, the more I played, the more entertaining and hooking it became. It's not GOTYAY or best JRPG ever in any sense, but it's FAR from the "worst crap ever" -category. A solid 7/10 experience IMO.
The sequels fixed, expanded and improved many things, especially pacing and gameplay. Up to you whether you like the direction they went with the plot and cast, but they're not hideous either. I found especially LR to be total blast, easily my 2014's GOTY. The 13-2 was simply fun, easily 8/10 at least.
>>332343805
There's plenty of good in XIII, but admitting that probably would ruin some people's imago.
The story wasn't awful, but they put so much into building that world and let shit characters like Hope just ruin it.
>>332344103
>Hope
>not Snow
>>332344103
Hope wasn't an awful character. He was just a kid, and boy did he man the fuck up towards the end.
>>332344451
I don't get the bashing of Snow either. He's easily one of the most likable characters in the entire trilogy.
>>332344705
That's true. I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I couldn't stand Hope in the slightest.
Lightning? Lightning.
>>332344934
believe me, I wanted to kick him to the teeth almost the entire game. Towards the end, I started being OK even with him though, and in the sequel... holy shit, what a stud!
all in all, XIII had surprising amount of character development.
>>332345761
Alyssa pls go
Characters = absolute trash
Combat system = pretty good
World = amazing and beautiful
Map design = why.png
Music = godlike
Overall it was ok i guess, too much wasted potential.
>>332346168
I forgot
Story = what the fuck did i play
It's not the worst game ever. But the story is just trash and the gameplay gets really repetitive and tiresome. And yes, the linearity is a big factor in how tiresome it gets.
>>332345940
hush!
>>332346168
>Characters = absolute trash
I'd go as far and consider XIII's cast one of the best in the IP.
XIII>XIII-2=LR
LR was fucking trash, the combat was its only saving grace
>>332346525
And boss battles, we'll I guess that counts as combat.
>>332346525
>LR was fucking trash,
How exactly?
I've been replaying it for the 4th time just now, on Hard, and I can't get over the fact how beautiful and well designed this game is.
It had severe pacing issues and in the end it wasn't that good either.
Sadly, the idea of something being just sub-par isn't viable in today's internet. It's either GODLIKE or SHITHEAP.
A disappointment the first time around. My second playthrough a few years later was totally different. I only stopped to eat and sleep and got to experience it as a whole and I can honestly say it's truly a great experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5HK60dTLgw
>>332342316
best FF desu. with XI and FFXIV. FFXIII-2 is a better game but the story is confusing.
>>332347269
As a guy who loves XIII trilogy to the end, please don't be baiting.
>>332347160
This. I ended up playing the whole thing in a pretty short stretch on release.
Loved it.One of my favourite FFs. I just thought they nailed the tension of 'apocalyptic main plot' better than most other games that try it.
I always figured the people who gave this game shit reviews were casuals that never even got to the second act. The game starts out confusing but reading the lore in-menus and learning about the world made the game 10X better.
It's not for everyone. And everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I thought the trilogy was great with X-2 being the best of the 3.
>>332347160
An excellent choice from the OST
>>332348029
I'm not complaining about this, but having to spend time learning the game through in-game menus is definitely a big issue with the game for a lot of people. For me, personally, it's a nice way to get lore that they could have left out entirely, but I can see why people don't like it. I thought it was cool though, and I don't really mind a nice little read. It was interesting, so I felt like I was always learning nice little tidbits about the world. Even the information that didn't really effect the main story were really cool to me.
>>332347160
man, these games had such great OST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VcqE4HT42c
>>332342316
YES
IT
WAS
ITS WORSE THAN BAD. THE ONLY GAME WORSE THAN IT IS GUILD WARS 2.
>>332342316
It wasn't but the corridor linear aspect ruin it
>>332348852
This is one thing I've never understood; can't people seriously grasp the plot just by playing the game, listening to what people say and how things look like?
I seriously didn't open the datalog thing even once during my playthrough, and I got most of the lore just fine. Keeping all the subtitles enabled really helps, as the party members tend to chatter occasionally as you're walking past new landscapes.
>>332346852
>beautiful and well-designed
You do know that LR is probably the worst looking game in the series right? There are areas that look really meh because the textures aren't fully fleshed out, the NPCs haven't gotten a single upgrade in graphics since the first game, the animals look fucking awful and so on. The only thing graphically that sticks out are the battle animations, and the models for all of the main characters have been upgraded a nice bit since the first game.
I'll be the first person to say how much I love this series, and how amazingly animated the first game in particular was, but LR is clearly rushed and lacking graphically when you start paying attention to some of the details. Great game overall, but you can see the graphical flaws everywhere. Regardless of how nice the MC models look in the final installment, The original game is probably the most impresssive visually.
>>332342316
Sazh was a great character but everyone was shit tier. The story was typical Final Fantasy convoluted nonsense that was so lazily written it didn't bother explaining anything and relied almost entirely on datalogs. The game was a hallway-simulator just like FF10 but with even worse combat.
>>332349148
I agree with you, honestly. I opened the Datalog constantly, but that's because I never missed a new entry. The information was interesting, and the exclamation points over the entries would have driven me mad even if I didn't actually want to read them.
Personally, I don't think the story was particularly difficult to follow, but I could see why someone might have questions by the end since you have to just sort of go with whatever's going on sometimes without a full explanation of the happenings. Still, it's relatively simple to follow if you don't try to think to hard about it. If anything, the time-traveling, paradoxical plot of the second game should be much more confusing. Not that it was really confusing to me, but out of the two games, it's clearly much more difficult to follow.
>>332349486
>You do know that LR is probably the worst looking game in the series right?
That goes to the opinions-territory. I already liked how it looked like on PS3, and on PC it also finally has enjoyable resolution and framerate to back it up. The first two games had much more static world and lighting, that while not ugly by any stretch of imagination, definitely were easier to achieve.
I do agree that the NPCs and especially animals (not monsters) are quite low-poly, but then again, this was a game designed for a console from 2005. They clearly pushed it to the very limit. I was surprised to see dynamic lighting and shadows during sunrises and sets.
That being said, I really don't mind these technical "flaws". I still play N64 and PS1 games annually, so I can't really complain about this level of visual fidelity. The art style's great all around, and the world's very atmospheric. Fights are flashy and entertaining to watch, as always.
>>332349626
>The story was typical Final Fantasy convoluted nonsense that was so lazily written it didn't bother explaining anything and relied almost entirely on datalogs
Nah, you just need to watch and listen more.
The combat was simply fun. Period.
>>332347503
I'm not. Its a good game.
>>332345652
Her face ain't long enough.
>>332342316
It was garbage.
If it had just been the adventure of Cpn Bosch and his metrosexual pirate friend and curvy brown bunny girl would've even perfect.
But no they had to throw Vaan in for no reason. It's the same plot without him. He's annoying and pointless.
>>332350127
>The combat was simply fun. Period.
The combat was braindead and required no strategy other than hammer the autobattle button.
>>332350609
>spot the guy who didn't beat the game
>>332350609
>He didn't play past chapter 1.
>>332350127
I don't mind the technical flaws either, but the game doesn't compare to the original XIII. XIII-2 was perfectly adequate to me, but XIII was such a powerhouse, XIII-2 didn't really do anything to impress me more visually. Plus, they clearly dumbed certain things down for 360 because it couldn't handle the first game's scale without 2 fucking bonus discs which is fucking pathetic, but that's a conversation for another day since I don't actually care about that machine.
I know they were pushing the limits of the system, which is very obvious with how impress the first game was, but that's all the more reason that the animals shouldn't fucking look like abominations.
However, I'm not knocking the world they built in LR. It's amazing, and really atmospheric, like you said, but all the little technical flaws here and there prevent me from really praising the graphics as it didn't do anything in that department to really excel past it's origin game other than the MC character models which look their very best in this final installment.
>>332350695
>i-it gets better after 50 hours!
>>332350437
Wrong game, dude.
>>332342316
>/ss/: The Game
It's great.
>>332350826
the gameplay is braindead until chapter 9-10,
even the bosses are fucking tutorials
I think I'm going to play XIII-2 again after I finish XIII's post game. I didn't pay attention to the story when I played XIII-2. How is it?
Also, are there any ways to make XIII-2 more challenging?
>>332350882
it gets better every single hour. At 50h, it's already almost at full speed already.
Also manually selected combos + Repeat-function = more fun and effective combat.
>>332351036
>I didn't pay attention to the story when I played XIII-2. How is it?
I found it interesting, but I'm a big sucker for timetravel things.
>Also, are there any ways to make XIII-2 more challenging?
don't use Pokemons.
Why is XIII-2 such a slog compared to XIII? The pacing is completely dead.
>>332351179
because it's not a fucking corridor
>>332342316
If it was named something else, maybe.
But it was so far removed from what you grew to expect from an FF game. And based on those standards, I think it was terrible.
>>332351161
I'm 30 hours in and it hasn't improved since I was given paradigms.
>>332351161
Wait nigga, is it really possible to go the entire game without Pokemons?
>>332351161
>it gets better every single hour.
Fucking liar.
>>332351036
>I didn't pay attention to the story when I played XIII-2. How is it?
It's pretty cool. Nice to see Serah taking charge in the plot instead of being a Crystal for like 55-60 hours.
The time travel and paradoxes are really cool. It's definitely worth paying attention to. Also, Noel. He's a cool character, so it's interesting to start really learning about him in detail in the later bits of the game.
>are there any ways to make XIII-2 more challenging?
Catch shitty monsters? Not sure what to tell you about that. Maybe use your Crystarium only half as much as you get points towards it, or maybe set limits for how you play like not letting Serah and Noel play different roles thus forcing you to really set your monsters up right to compensate.
Yes it fucking was, fuck you.
>>332351736
He's right, but it gets better by inches until around the 20 hour mark when it finally takes off.
>>332351589
If you so desire. Won't be easy tho', I loved my Dragoon and it's support fire.
>>332351736
>liar
more like personal preferences.
Few hours into the game, I was already realizing I was hooked.
>>332352353
How does it get better? The game gives you paradigms at the 5 hour mark but doesn't improve after that.
>>332351298
I'm pretty at the point where it's pretty obvious that some people just aren't gonna like the combat. There's really just no way around that. It plays in the kind of way where you just have to like the style of combat it uses. Sort of like X. Not everybody likes X because it doesn't use the ATB system. On the other hand, while XIII utilizes this system, it also relies heavily AI input which a lot of people don't want to see because it takes away their control of their characters. I thought it was dumb to be so bothered by this at first, but I'm starting to understand this gripe more and more as more people touch on similar issues they have with the battle system.
>>332345652
>>332351161
>those legs
>>332352587
Yeah I jizz out of every orifice too when I see them
>>332352541
Only nostalgiatards like the ATB system anyway. Say what you will about FFX but at least that game actually required some form of strategy besides "hammer Attack to win" unlike every ATB game ever.
>>332352493
>How does it get better?
When you aren't forced to use certain characters.
>>332342316
I enjoyed it. I've played through it four times. It's a good game. It's far from being my favorite FF but it's not the worst like so many love to say either.
>>332352849
That only elevates the game from "shit" to "slightly less shit"
>>332352493
Chapter 10 when you land on Gran Pulse, and can finally rearrange your party and grow them as you see fit, collect items and grind equipment as you please, and generally explore and have a grand old time.
Story really sucked.
Snow is the most irritating piece of shit character, maybe even more than Tidus.
Lightning has no ass.
Characters all seemed to fucking hate each other but then friendship saves the day. They also kill the guy that if they kill it will cause the end of the world.
>WE'RE ENEMIES OF COCOON.
>>332352687
I'm not gonna so far as to say that ATB games are just "hammer attack to win," but it definitely feels that way in the early stages. However, there's plenty of strategy to be had once you start getting deeper into any of those games.
I will admit that X had a style of play that warranted a style of strategy and planning that you couldn't really get from the ATB games, However, we also can't pretend that a good bit of FFX's endgame content was just Quick Hit: The Game (with overdrives). The main game stays consistently fresh though. I honestly can't understand why they don't appreciate how truly strategic and deep the game could be.
>>332342316
I played this game on a friend's PS3 and legally downloaded it 2 separate times, and I always lost the will to keep playing every time.
I guess I liked the music and we got some porn out of it though.
>>332342912
>>332343892
I wonder if Katy still watches Invader Zim with her girlfriend.
>>332353264
>but then friendship saves the day
At no point does friendship save the day.
>>332345652
Wow, that almost looks like a photograph.
>>332353450
Yeah it did.
>>332353592
No it didn't.
They became cie'ths, caused the apocalypse, fulfilled their focus and crystallized, and the only reason any one of those didn't spell their permanent end is because one of the gods of the setting took pity on them.
And she caused a super-apocalypse in so doing!
>>332353264
Tidus was fine though.
>>332353051
It's not that great.
>>332351246
>because it's not a fucking corridor
it's worse
>>332353264
>Snow is the most irritating piece of shit character
Hardboiled emofag detected
>>332354062
>tiny ass sidequest zone that doesn't even show up in the plot
nigga that's misdirection and you know it
>>332354246
>>332342316
It was so bad they even fucked up the music. How the fuck do you fuck up the music in an FF game?
>>332354360
How the fuck do you not like FF13's ost?
>>332354360
b8. FF13 trilogy's OST is pure gold.
>>332354357
That looks like a perfectly acceptable map layout, so.. your point?
>>332354467
because its repetitive shit
>>332353051
>and generally explore and have a grand old time
>grand old time
Get cancer, you fucking shill.
It's shit, there's absolutely nothing fucking redeemable about it except a couple of tracks, and some of the porn, that's it.
>>332354360
If everything about the game was bad, and it certainly is NOT, the music would still be the shining light in the dark. FFXIII's ost is fucking incredible
>>332354594
I use archaisms on the internet for emphasis, you goofball.
>>332354507
except it's not. it's the same shit as xiii, if not worse
>>332354694
>I better meme because too many people are confessing to liking it, I have to look cool and try to fit in by vomiting memes from almsot 10 years ago everyone love me please, time for my smug animu picture!
>>332354704
compared to every other FF its pretty fucking bad.
>>332354853
>literally a starting zone
>3 paths, 4 once you unlock it
I'm sorry, you're just baiting at this point and I will have no part of it.
>>332354982
t. an anon with shit taste desperately trying to save face for liking a shit game
>>332342316
Nah, it's pretty fucking bad.
>>332354704
Dropped this shit on 12th chapter or whatever and haven't spotted any memorable music.
>>332354982
>I'm so contrarian for liking shit games
>>332354998
anyone who says 13 is shit is an underage b& who never played 2, 8, or 9.
>>332355014
whatever you say anon. enjoy more corridors and large empty zones like dying world and archylte steppe
you gotta admire the dedication.
>>332355123
>haven't spotted any memorable music
is a new personal favourite though. at least when the backlash was fresh the criticism could be coherent and at least tangentially attached to logic.
>You know, the prequels weren't that bad.
You sound like them.
>>332355143
9 is the best and 8 arguably has the best soundtrack. If anything liking 13 shows you're an underage millennial since you never gave the old games a chance and just like your new shit
>this thread again
Literally two people use the same baits every time and people still falling for them.
OERBA YUN FANG FOR BEST BOOTY
FUCK THE THINNESS
>>332342316
No, you're wrong. It was objectively bad.
Lazy writing that requires you to read through the datalogs to understand anything. L'cie, fal'cie, focus, cei'th just to name a tiny fraction.
Unlikable cast. Seriously, Fang was the only likable character. Sazh was OK and everyone else was terrible.
Gameplay is the biggest problem I have with it. Press x to win gameplay was stupid. Corridors to run through for 95% of the game didn't help. Finally, character progression with the Crystarium was brainless.
The only place FF13 gets points is a result of it's production values. The music and visuals are great, as expected.
Overall, it earns a 4/10 rating.
Best duo!
Yeah it wasn't that bad ,but the titan trials can fuck right off
>>332355665
>datalog
do you like souls/blood series?
>le ffxiii is bad game maymay
you children still having a giggle over this meme?
>>332354998
Not even. This soundtrack is fucking amazing, and the second game's soundtrack is even better which was a hard accomplishment. Other music in the series is great to, I'm not even gonna say it isn't, but XIII has an incredible soundtrack.
>>332355123
>haven't spotted any memorable music
Guess your game was muted, or you just don't like the sort of sound they brought to the table in this one.
Is final fantasy 1 'Hold X to win' or am I just playing it wrong?
>>332355774
did you get to Vercing in mission 64?
THICK
>>332355996
I like her desi look. I bet she makes a great Oerban chocobo curry.
>>332355961
I ended up 100% it on ps3. I just hated how you had to repeat fights
>>332355996
Where? Girl's a stick.
>>332355665
>Lazy writing that requires you to read through the datalogs to understand anything. L'cie, fal'cie, focus, cei'th just to name a tiny fraction.
You either have severe ADD or you're retarded then. Literally nothing about any of the items you listed requires reading that datalogs.
The rest of your post is alright though.
>>332355392
>9 is the best
I never understood why people love that slow garbage.
>>332356280
true, but the superbosses were worth it.
>that shaolong gui
>>332356364
100% THICK
and muscular. Like Tina Armstrong.
>>332342316
Oh, what time can do to the memory of men.
>>332356439
furryshit
>>332356439
because not everyone's an ADHD with constant hurries.
>>332356590
>time
I played it for the first time just couple years ago.
>>332356558
>that smooth chest area
makes me diamonds
>>332355864
Those games still have characters explain some things to you and the item descriptions aren't just shoved away in a menu. Well they kind of are but you can infer things about an item or the person it belonged to by where you find it or what enemy/boss it drops from, meanwhile the datalogs are just there to be there.
>>332356781
>>332356558
>>332355996
my dick is the only thing that's thick when i see fang, lads
>>332356439
It's the choice of special snowflake furdoras
>>332342316
But it was. It literally did nothing right.
>>332356640
ix is the best but i wouldnt say that burmecia and black mage village are comfy, theyre literally the opposite
>>332356902
>>332356880
datalogs are there to give info about the game that aren't explained in the game. The game dialog explains the basic concepts that you need to know, no need for a datalog.
>>332356929
Seriously, to each his own. I stopped at disc three, and I didn't see why so many people say it's the best in the series. Pacing is slow as shit, characters are boring (except Vivi), trance is terrible, leveling is okay.
>>332355954
please respond
>>332357816
How would the FFXIII trilogy be like if it Serah took Light's place?
>>332359606
No /ss/ with Hope.
>>332359606
Better.
>>332360187
No, but I;d fuck you're toon.
>>332359606
She was more of a character than monotone military chick.
>>332351589
To my knowledge you just don't put them in the paradigm pack.
It wasn't bad at all.
I still think IX and XII were the best in the series, though.
>>332342316
The only thing likeable about Lightning was she shared my desire to get this shit over with as soon as possible. That feel when you wish they saved Hope's mom and let Hope die.
>>332359606
Probably better
>>332346168
>Combat system = pretty good
no its not. switching sub-classes does not make interesting gameplay. the game rewards speedy kills if you want 5 stars. AKA mash the fucking X button
>>332361665
9 is probably the most underrated yet overrated game in the series, if that makes sense.
>>332342316
i like it
>>332348983
DUMB FROGPOSTER
>>332349148
Holy shit, this pic is gorgeous
and I agree with you btw (by the way)
>>332354360
>not like XIII's music
The game had a myriad of problems, the soundtrack was absolutely not one of them.
>>332367526
>not sageing the thread
idiot nigger
>>332367750
this isn't reddit fuck off
>>332367526
I gotta agree. All three of the XIII games have awesome music. I had a playlist full of XIII music that I used to listen to all the time back in 2010/2011.
Hell, sometimes I still crank that shit. Damn nigga, I'm about to go crank that shit right now.
>>332368276
>2010 was six years ago
Wow. I'm not sure what's scarier; the fact that it was 6 years ago, or the fact that it feels like it was just the other day. I guess that's a sign that not much has been happening in my life over the past 5 years... which is true :(
>>332368442
>:(
>>332368002
>I'm being a nigger on purpose
>>332368442
>ellipses
>:(
Please fuck off to wherever you came from.
>>332368587
half of america is nigger
I played through XIII as a podcast listening game.
Mute the music, skip cutscenes, play podcasts.
It was the only way I could play more than a couple hours of it.
