Is this going to flop? My expectations are very low due to these facts
>first dlc released over 6 months before release
>essential races are sold separately
>it will be buggy due to rushed release
>you have to buy blood and fire separately
>it will have a shit ton of dlc's which should be part of the base game
>it will be abandoned and we will get later working light version just like Napoleon and Attila
None of those facts notably hurt sales of other TW games, I don't see why this will be any different.
>>332299403
Depends what you mean by flop. It'll be top of the Steam charts for sure, at least for a while and despite the bad customer reviews.
I'll just wait and buy game of the year edition when on sale on Steam. If I get curious to play I'll pirate it.
>>332299403
yes because it's not age of sigmarines
>>332299790
You mean that thing everyone hates?
>>332299910
GW doesn't hate it.
>>332299590
>>332299664
I just wonder why people preorder TW games or by them at launch and then fill steamreviews with negative comments. What were they expecting, this have been happening since Empire and every time they launch a fucking mess which doesn't even work.
>>332300014
Maybe they buy it, write a shit review because of the excessive DLC then refund.
>>332300014
This guy is onto something... That's just all too damn logical and that does not apply to the average entitled PC player.
>They've been following the same marketing format since Empires, but I'm sure this next TW title will be for the fans, by the fans xD!
>>332300212
But some people must buy it anyway because they keep doing it year after year.
>>332300014
Their fanbase is hilarious right now.
Nearly every video they release gets downboated halfway to hell because everyone screams:
>This looks good BUT REMEMBER THE DLC GUYS FUCK TOTAL WAR
And they buy the games and the DLC anyway.
I wonder how CA feels. They're like a housewife of a really rich husband and they live comfortably. But all the household staff gossip and call her a slut. And she occasionally takes a fist brimming with rings to the face.
I wonder if it's CA or Sega's fault. Perhaps it's both.
Attila was fairly good. Total Warhammer will mostly deliver but have some disappointing parts. The cycle will continue.
>>332299403
Do you think that Attila was a flop? Because you just described Attila perfectly.
I haven't pre-ordered a TW since Empire the only exception being Attila, and I regret that because I don't have all the DLC I could've gotten from a GOTY edition.
>>332300584
I think it's mostly Sega's fault, wasn't it Sega who pushed them to release Empire at barely playable state? Attila was nice, but then the dlc-whoring started again, it costs like 40$ just to get all factions and blood to the game.
I dont care, I'm still going to buy it. Gameplay looks good.
>>332301063
I'm 90% sure they still haven't fixed unit collision and charge attacks, and there's no way aerial units will work like they should. Also enjoy ending up paying 200$ for a whole game while GOTY edition costs less than 40$ 2 years later.
>cut content as DLC
>cant fuck with diplomacy whichever way you want
>cant conquer certain cities because fuck you
>expansions already planned
it's going to be inferiour to the medieval II mod dispite it having entirely new systems for monsterous creatures and magic.
it'll probbably sell really well though.
>>332299403
Why didn't they call it Total Warhammer? seems like a no brainer
>>332301616
Mods'll fix it goy!
>implying GW will allow you to have acess to every race with one purchase
Every warhammer game was like this,several addons and dlcs which added races and units. This iw how it works, you have to buy it like their figurines.
>it will be buggy due to rushed release
Didn't it get delayed though?
>>332301763
>CA is actively going out of its way to prevent modding
![12074241364l[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uxIdDhB.jpg "12074241364l[1].jpg")
>>332301763
>Mods'll fix it goy!
Nope
>>332301248
>implying I buy the DLC
I havent bought Total War DLC in years.
>rushed releases
>non-working products
>dlc out the ass
>deliberately hampering modding since empire
>warscape engine
Why would anyone buy this?
>>332301989
SHHHH BROTHER
>Buying a total war game on release
When will people learn?
>>332302181
Now that enough time has passed, warscape has solved more problems than it's brought.
Still aint buying a TW game for less than 75% off but at least I'm buying them.
>>332302181
>warscape is shit
this is my favourite meme, maybe you should try replaying rome 1/medieval 2 and get refreshed with how basic and shitty that engine is rather than spouting some shit you read on 4chan
>>332301837
It's entirely possible for them to achieve both, they are both very experienced in the publisher/developer roles.
>>332302613
when it does work it feels better than the warscape engine though. I found melee combat in anything from Empire to Rome II nothing short of frustrating.
it's obviously not perfect, it has tons of issues like the shit pathfinding and cav charges not working half the time. But dispite those issues it still felt more satisfying to actually use, and thats just embarassing.
>Actually bought Rome II Emperor Edition when it was 75% off
>It doesn't even come with the DLCs
>Thirteen factions actually sold as DLC
>You want to play as Athens, Sparta or Epire? Buy the DLC.
>You want to play one of the nomadic horse fucker faction? Buy the DLC
>>332299403
>essential races sold separately
What is Dawn of War
>it will be buggy due to rushed release
Release date got pushed back though
>it will have a shit ton of dlc's which should be part of the base game
Unless you're only talking about Chaos here, you're an entitled twat.
>>332299403
if you're complaining about the inevitable dlcs, then you should already have known what to expect given that it's ca and f***ing GAMES WORKSHOP
There are losers like me who will gladly shell out their shekels for this, and I froth at the thought
>it's not the 40k universe
dropped
>>332303695
>>332303695
>they've done this before so you have no reason to complain about it
That's some fucking wiggly logic for someone doing it for free.
>>332302387
Never, not even after the disaster of Rome 2 gamers love being shitted on especially when the game already has dlc and hasn't even released yet.
>>332299403
If this works on release like Shogun 2 and plays somewhat like a total war game I'd buy it, but no on release, after Rome 2 you cannot trust these people
they
are
hack
frauds
>>332304554
>If this works on release like Shogun 2
Nope, it's using a new engine and dx12, expect bugs galore.
>plays somewhat like a total war game
A lot of the game is now based around getting 'epic gear' for you commanders and armies, wouldn't surprise me if some of it is DLC.
I have had no faith in CA after Empire.
Shogun 2 was good AFTER A YEAR when it was patched to fuckery. And the campaign and campaign battles crash for no reason all the time still.
I'm going to pirate it like I did for that pile of shit they had the audacity to name after the best game, Rome. Or buy it for cheap, got Attilla for $8 on G2A and it's okish...fuck sega / ca
>>332304719
>>332304835
What
>>332304719
It's the same engine they've been using since Empire.
What do the quest battles and your dlc conspiracy theories have to do with it playing somewhat like a Total War game?
>>332304907
I enjoyed Empire, but it was clear the rot was setting in, I liked Napoleon a lot more but that was despite it's massive flaws.
It's sad coming to this point after being a TW fan, because there's not really any alternatives if you find Grand strategy a bit dry and RTS not grand enough.
>>332305315
Both Empire and Napoleon would be much better if it was easier to mod them both.
I don't know why CA/SEGA keep the warscape engine though, it was never made for melee combat no matter how much they try to fix it.
Still confused why anyone would be excited for a GW IP game, CA and GW love nickle and diming and CA is doing it already.
>>332301616
>>cant conquer certain cities because fuck you
I almost forgot this, god damn that's just stupid. Why can't I genocide inferior races and take the cities I want?
>>332305315
Yeah, the campaign for Empire was awesome, I loved all the little towns and docks you could build and raid, the permanent forts and the fuckhuge world.
The line battles were a bit of a spectacle and mods that make volleys more realistic are amazing. I changed the text file to have 400 men in a line infantry unit and watching 400 men fire a first volley at another 400, seeing 150ish of the enemy fall over is amazing.
But it did have it's flaws and the launch was a fucking shitstorm.
Total War is one of those unique amazing games that there is nothing else quite like. Like Mount and Blade or Arma, or Men of War. Games that do things that no other game does gives mea huge boner
>>332302181
Why are they trying to prevent people modding their games? Wouldn't mod tools increase sales like with Bethesda?
>>332305824
It was watching the musket smoke drifting through the trees that made me love Nappy, along with the reworked cannon mechanics they really sold the era for me, I'd previously been very cold towards early gun warfare.
>>332303610
>entitled
Best meme of every shill, why did they include every faction on first Rome, but on Rome 2 you had to buy greek factions separately?
>>332299403
DAY 1 DLC
>>332301248
>I'm 90% sure they still haven't fixed unit collision and charge attacks
Oh man, are you in for a treat.
>>332306016
>I deserve all content worked on post release for free
>not entitled
Maybe because the factions in Rome 1 were low effort copypastes with the only real differentiating factor being their starting position, which became irrelevant 20 turns in.
Didn't they say they would pull a shogun 2 style release plan on future content?
Like rise/fall of the samurai standalone expansion packs that add like 4 new races and campaign/story and with some single factions?
>>332306450
Not quite. It's going to be a trilogy where each game has its own campaign map, but if you own any combination of them, they combine into one giant campaign map with a truckload of factions.
>>332305981
Yeah... desu senpai I think early gun warfare is fucking stupid. Standing there letting them shoot you.... I would like to have commanded a light infantry regiment though, you can deploy them as skirmishers instead.
Especially with mods too makes it awesome, they add a fucktonne of smoke, seeing all that blue-gray gunpowder smoke drifting across the field.. The drums and fifes playing and seeing the men holding the line.
Then knowing the fear in the enemies heart as your whole infantry line fixes bayonets and charges, he sees your cavalry coming from the forest but his cannons are reloading....
Fuck I love military pomp and parades, I know the whole "Honour of battle" thing is BS but it's just so appealing.
The sieges look shit and small. Left is a dwarf karrak and right is the iconic capital of the Empire Altdorf.
I don't mind that some cities have similar layouts, but iconic places always had a unique layout.
The cities are fucking hovel-sized.
its a game designed for idiots that spend money buying tabletop gaming shit and still buy total war games of course it going to flop you retard.
>>332306696
As long as the sieges(AI, pathfinding ect) work fine I don't really care. A lot of the big cities in rome 2 and Attila were rarely used anyway(in the campaign at least)
>>332306696
That's a bit stupid yes.
I don't mind the compacted sieges, but at least change up the layouts instead of just the tileset, its a bit lazy.
>>332306932
How stupid would you have to be to think this is aimed at WHFB players?
>>332306310
>worked on post release
Announcing it over 6months before release doesn't seem like it's worked on post release.
>>332300014
I think it's because these developers have a monopoly in this class of game, there is no one making clones of total war games.
Don't care if it flops or not, I'll just get the super deluxe version with all DLC for free as a pirate
>>332299403
I'm going to buy it anyway because I enjoy the games anyway despite all the issues. I mean I even enjoyed Empire.
There's nothing else quite like it on the market and it's nice to support one of the last AAA PC exclusive brands.
>>332306932
>its a game designed for idiots
come on now, 40k can be a simple game, and there is a few fedora wearing neckbeards that play but most people are actually intelligent people with decent jobs.
>spend money buying tabletop gaming shit
kek. 40k is one of the funnest things I've done in my life, only things that surpass it is fighting, shooting and flying.
stay mad you aren't having fun poorfag.
>>332307651
>Unless you're only talking about Chaos here
Nice reading comprehension, faggot
>>332301616
>cant conquer certain cities because fuck you
I don't understand CA's decision to do that.
>>332307751
Well you have to wait for like 6 years for full trilogy.
>game is (by some huge miracle) a success
>sells millions
>ten thousands storm GW stores in the first few weeks
>they want to play their empire units, vampires and whatnot
>GW redshirts can only mumble something about Age of Sigmar and how its so much better
>potential customers leave disappointed
>>332307807
So as long as they're Pc exclusive and 'AAA' you're going to keep on buying them?
That's fucking stupid, Sega are wearing CA like a strap-on and fucking you with it, and you're saying it's not a problem.
>>332307896
So you're actuamly shilling that they haven't worked on other dlc factions yet? Just like with Attila, "vote what we do next" and then they release it in a week.
>>332308093
Oh boy, here come the conspiracy theories.
>>332308056
What actually happens is that they direct them to the empire models (which are still on shelves)
>>332307896
To be honest it really depends on if what they say about Chaos is accurate. That it wasn't supposed to be in the game outside of some really barebones stuff and Chaos was going to get to be involved later on in the trilogy. But they decided late on in development to add them as an end game boss type thing and using them as a pre order incentive lets them make it into a fleshed out, playable faction.
If you think they're just lying, fair enough, it's conspiratorial but fair enough. if you believe them and are mad then yes you're enittled.
>>332308061
Yes. CA deserve support.
I'd rather that than be one of the people crying in a few years because large budget PC exclusives like TW don't exist anymore and it's just split into Total War Arena moba type shit or low budget Paradox autism simulators.
I get a decent amount of fun out of them despite the issues and I just don't buy DLC I'm not interested in
>>332308235
Earlier you complained that in first rome they copypasted everything and that they now put effort into everything. They can't do whole factions within a week if they put effort to it, so are they copypasting them, or have they done the factions in advance?
>>332304554
>works on release like Shogun 2
t. someone who wasn't there for the release of Shogun 2
>>332307725
More like they're not getting the resources they need. They don't exactly have a 100 million dollar budget to work with.
>>332308445
The trouble with supporting companies through thick and thin is that they only respond to money, so all you're doing is letting them know that their fans don't have any standards and will buy the games regardless of quality or DLC gouging.
>>332299403
They culd release a turd and it wouldn't be a flop. See: all their previous games.
I was really disappointed in Rome II when it launched, but I went back to it a couple months ago and had tons of fun. Apart from poor optimization, I can't even remember what problems I had with the game anymore. I enjoyed Empire due to the setting (unlike most people), liked Shogun 2 and of course I loved Rome. Only M2 was garbage without mods, due to huge bugs in the unit AI. I expect the same from this one. Maybe technically messy but still a fun TW game. People need to stop nitpicking about small things. Criticize problems, sure, but not call a game complete for having a few flaws.
Having said that, I know very little about TWW. Just how many factions are playable? I've never really bought DLC or expansions.
>>332309448
4 races so far. Each race have different Legendary Lords who each have their own story missions and special bonuses.
To be honest I don't see why people are complaining so much. Each race has a different skeleton which means every unit needs a lot more work put into it so they can't have 10-15 factions at release like in previous Total War games. It's not like CA is some absolute monster of a company like Blizzard that have all the resources in the world to work with.
>>332309448
Well if you're not going to buy dlc's it has two playable factions. And it's not nitpicking if they cut content or that AI sucks in every game, Rome 2 didn't even include greek factions in the base game.
>>332309947
>spreading misinformation
>>332309448
It's got like 4 races and subfactions in those races I think they said. I expect the "main" ones are the only playable ones in the narrative campaign tho.
Then there's the chaos DLC preorder thing and I think Bretonnia is being made free?
>>332299403
Let's see
>last games were shitty
>every game they've released have been broken or buggy to the point they don't work
>DLC up the ass
>saying the same things they said with rome 2, "it's better now" blah blah blah
Yeah, I'll wait a couple of years until it's complete, thanks
>>332310134
>they split the factions into subfactions so they can sell you more factions
It's almost beautiful.
>>332310372
What are you even talking about?
>>332310372
Or maybe they split it into subfactions so that you have a reason to play the same faction more than once.
>>332310140
If you buy every piece of faction DLC it's a fair bit, comes out a bit more than a typical expansion might be. But the campaigns they make are good. It's like Rome: Alexander without being priced like a full expansion.
>>332310140
>Yeah, I'll wait a couple of years until it's complete, thanks
literally this, preorder NEVER AGAIN
>>332310372
>the empire use largely the same units but some cities have strong specialities that couldn't justify them being not "empire"
>somehow it isn't rational to have them be subfactions.
Yeah Nuln, Altdorf and Middenheim should all be totally unique factions with unique uni- oh wait no they mostly use the same shit.
>>332310140
>>last games were shitty
Attila was great actually and Warhammer is being developed by a new team that's been developing since before Rome 2's launch.
I'm really looking forward to the next historical game by the Attila team.
Warhammer looks like it's the type of game where I should wait a year or so before playing it, all the planned DLC and free updates (for example the released Vampire roster straight up says "please look forward to free updates to the roster" aka the roster isn't finished and I should wait) and the two planned expansions really make it look like it will be better (and cheaper) with time.
>>332299403
total war games have been stale for a almost a decade, I doubt this one will radically change anything
>>332299403
the darth mod for this should be cool, itll actually feel like a warhammer battle
>>332310840
It'll be fun playing with the rosters as they develop tho, that's part of why they do it, the second major reason is because it keeps people interested in the game, it's the tacitc the witcher used. Constantly trickle new stuff out and people keep looking at your game for when your big expansion is finished.
The reason why teams planned DLC out very early was becuase it was almost not worth it if it came out after the first 6 months of launch.
>>332310987
>darth
Can't tell if you're being ironic or not.
I just figure if they do fuck it up hard they will probably eventually do what they did for Rome 2 and upgrade to emperor edition for free.
>>332311138
at least he didn't say radious
>>332311138
for just blobs of units? yeah darth
>>332310524
>without being priced as a full expansion
Keep dreaming goy.
>>332303776
Total wars' scale won't be compatible or very tough to be successful with the 40k universe imo
>>332313053
But.... since fall of the samurai we've seen them do 10-15 bongbux campaigns.
Looks pretty promising, if you are prepared for bugs.
I really hope they stick to their "6 major expansions over the course of 3 years"-plan without adding further DLC jewry (except cosmetic, I don't care about that.
Building a new PC for it (and Battlefleet Gothic) next week and will probably preorder it.
If it's garbage I can always refund later.
>>332315584
>cosmetic dlc
>not the most jewest of jewery
Fuck that. I want more new content for my game, not some stupid skins that should be unlocked through gameplay.
>>332311138
>>332311727
What's wrong with darth and radious?
>>332315863
Other than everything?
>>332315713
All I'm saying is if they want to jew, they should jew with pointless shit I don't care about, while leaving more content to major expansions that are worth their money.
>>332299403
>first dlc released over 6 months before release
Chaos warriors, confirmed
>essential races are sold separately
Confirmed for mostly minor ones, 3 mayorfrom 16as prebuy DLC, one for every game
>>it will be buggy due to rushed release
It will be buggy case its TW game, like always
>>you have to buy blood and fire separately
confirmed
>>it will have a shit ton of dlc's which should be part of the base game
look second one, confirmed
>>it will be abandoned and we will get later working light version just like Napoleon and Attila
Possible, but highly unlikely. They already announced that this will be trilogy, and historical games are still made up by another team
>>332315126
Yeah, but GW jewing together with CA and Sega? I bet they double dlc prices.
>>332310987
Was playing Darthmod empire just now, pirates because yolo
So the Med II Warhammer Fantasy mod isn't very good?
>>332316895
unstable as fuck, but fun
>>332305824
I loved how all the little towns and ports had names. It helped me learn some more global positioning of minor, yet still important, cities around the world.
It's a shame they didn't do it in Shogun/removed the system in Rome2. From a strategy standpoint, it was fun to occupy the Polish university with a standing army. I only wish Empire had FotS's naval fort applications, and also that land forts were made similar to be more useful.
>>332316895
>unstable as fuck causing constant crashing
>all units unlocked at start so no sense of campaign progression
>stupid scripts spawning doomstacks everywhere
Play The Third Age instead and wait for the official game if you want Warhammer.
>>332315964
Wow, such good answer that gave me all the info I wanted.
>>332317247
>>332317081
Well that sounds pretty bad, but I'm in it for the skaven so the official game isn't going to help much.
>>332316182
>historical games made by separate team
So... There's small change that we get Empire 2 or Medieval 3 during the trilogy?
>>332317854
Yes.
>>332317854
More likely to see an Empire 2, CA said they wouldn't do a Medieval 3.
I'd rather they do neither though, I suspect an Empire 2 would be worse than first.
>>332318431
What would you like then? I think Empire 2 could be what first one should have been if it would be made by Attila team.
>>332318716
Not him but I'd like to see one about the Mongols, they could build upon the rules that the huns had in Attila.
>>332319142
That could be interesting if it had China as playable faction.
>>332318716
>more gunpowder Total War
Please don't. We have M2, Empire, Nappy, S2 and FotS.
>>332319304
I'd like that, plus the eastern european, early islamic and early slavic statesas DLC
>>332319385
Its the most obvious for new historical tw to be gunpowder, maybe pike and shot after making warhammer game. It could be basically reskin of empire faction
>>332299403
I want it to succeed because I love Warhammer.
I don't want it to succeed because I hate day-one-DLC, pre-order bonuses, early access and all this cancer that's killing gaming.
