Was this a good twist?
I want to be the little girl.
After replaying the game yes.
>>332294626
I thought it was fucking retarded.
>>332294626
Yeah.
>>332294626
>Bottom screen is Akane
>Top screen is Junpei
>You have to flip the DS over because now Junpei is the one doing the puzzle for Akane instead of Akane doing it for Junpei
Cool use of the hardware
>>332294626
Akane was far from retarded and it's stated in VLR that the brain processes much faster in a life-and-death situation.
So why did she need to access the morphogenic field instead of solving the easy-mode sudoku herself ?
>>332296872
She didn't know how to do sudoku.
>>332294626
>that part in the intro where the narration says "Huh...? Did I leave that window open?" and you realize it was Akane thinking that to herself
fuck yeah it was a good twist
>>332294626
Damn right it was.
However Alice suddenly showing up at the end, HITCHIKING, For NO REASON, was not.
Incredibly stupid ending beat to an otherwise terrific game, including the main story ending. Playing as the other half of someone's future vision was simply brilliant.
>>332294749
>>332296569
Reminder that we are ten to twenty years away from full-body prosthesis.
You WILL be the little girls, and even cuddle and marry andhold hands.
Anyone got the /v/ screencap of 999's events with Anno at the bottom of the image?
>>332297157
>For NO REASON
her story is told throughout the whole game and was a great way to finish.
>>332294626
Mostly, yes. But specifically that EVERY bottom screen was supposed to be from her perspective led to a chunk of discrepancies. Still, I probably need to replay it again to know for sure.
>>332297393
>led to a chunk of discrepancies
Like what?
>>332298146
Examining the pictures of the 999 characters in the coffin room
>>332294626
Yeah it was like ever17.
It felt nostalgic.
>can't remember what the twist was
>not even sure if it clicked with me when i finished it
>also can't remember what happened in vlr
I'm gonna be so fucked with the 3rd game. The thing is that I got VLR from ps+ and to prepare for that I pirated the 1st game. I wanna buy the third game full price now but I'm not sure I can enjoy it the day it came out unless I prepare myself and replay it again a week before it comes out.
>>332297393
>>332298146
Who was young June "scared" of getting into the elevator with?
>>332298146
The cards Ace can't use for the puzzle with pictures of the 999 crew on them
>>332298793
another boy
>>332294626
I thought it was kinda stupid.
But especially because the last puzzle was a fucking sudoku
>>332297340
Care to elaborate? Perhaps I missed somethign. Its been a while but I remember thinking that her actually being alive and fucking hitchhiking in Nevada right outside too ridiculous to stomach. The psychic powers were built up over the whole game adn were small in scale, so they were fine in comparison.
>>332298793
She didn't have to have the exact same conversation in the past y'know.>>332298793
That wouldn't make any sense.
>>332299308
Alice =/=All-ice
It was clever, but honestly when I first played the game, it felt a bit off. The game was obviously hinting at supernatural stuff throughout the game, but this was really the first time that it threw it right in your face. Also the safe ending was a lot more dramatic, true ending wasn't as strong in comparison.
And how the fuck couldn't Akane solve a sudoku puzzle? Come on now.
>>332294626
Ever17 did it better
>>332299308
ALL-ICE was build up as well during the entire game and imo it was kinda nice that not every story you heard turned out to be real.
And it makes sense for not to be for in the coffin, since it's not actually the Gigantic you're on. Her being in the desert was just a plot-hook for a potential sequel.
>>332299491
Not even the same twist, and it's not worth the chicken sandwiches.
>>332299441
>>332299167
I looked the solution online for that one, fuck doing seppukus
Did any of you actually try to give yourself a time-limit for solving the sudoku?
The puzzle itsn't exactly hard, but it takes time to do it properly. 9 minutes is not really a lot of time to solve a Sudoku and this was a life or death situation.
I certainly couldn't do it in under 9 minutes.
>>332299681
>"Alright, time to fight the final boss."
>JUST KIDDING, I WAS CONTROLLING HIM ALL ALONG
>"Alright, time to fight the final boss."
>JUST KIDDING, I WAS CONTROLLING EVERYTHING BEHIND THE SCENES ALL ALONG
P4 is probably one of the worst games ever made.
>>332296824
>emulating on laptop
>too hard to hold computer upside down and use track pad at the same time
it was a kind of fun challenge to do it upside down, desu
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bN3km4r.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
this
>>332299813
>emulating on laptop
>not just using the emulator's built-in rotate function
Anon...
>>332299786
I thought this and it "ruined" my immersion
>>332299795
most cringe too
>>332299381
>>332299529
Well I havent played 999 in years and havent gotten to VLR yet but I heard the Alice in tath one wasnt All-Ice. So was the one at the end of 999 her? That was obviously the implication.
>>332297340
>>332299308
i thought it was cool in 999, but in VLR when it turns out she's not ALL-ICE, it retroactively made the red herring of her story just seem retarded in the first game
>>332299813
Oh god anon that's pretty cuteand really really stupid
>>332299930
Nope.
ALL-ICE is a myth and the lady in the desert is someone completely differentas far as we know.spoilers
>>332299935
See that's exactly what I dont like about it. It was a gaint WTF at the end of 999 that obviously was just there to fuck with us.
Basically it's taking a sci-fi mystery story and at the very last second sayign "LOL magic was real all along, forget what we said earlier... OR IS IT??? XDXDXD"
Tonally out of place, and just annoying, all for the sake of a "cute" little moment. Not a fan, f a m.
>>332299786
It's canon in Zero Escape that the brain works much much faster in a life-and-death situation.
Also the sudoku is doable under 2 minutes fucking casual.
>>332299786
>>332299897
they hand wave it at some point (may have been VLR) by saying that in a stressful/emotional moment, time can appear to move much much slower. like how sigma often waits til literally the last second to lock his vote on the AB game, but there's no time limit for that.
if they'd put a time limit on the sudoku, then they'd pretty much HAVE to let you just immediately retry it since making you replay the entire game to get to that point again at the very end would be unreasonable. As a result, having a time limit at all would be retarded again since you could just memorize some of the solution from your first attempt and then do the puzzle quicker
i guess they could have just had multiple sudoku puzzles for every time you fail and retry so that you couldn't just memorize it
>>332299795
FFIV did it better
>>332300110
If ALL-ICE isnt real, her doppelganger showing up at the last second is harder to believe than the existence of psychic powers and was just a slap in the face at the end of a great game.
What is your favourite twist in VLR? For me this isSigma being old man with young one consciousness in 2074, Akane being in K`s armor, although it becomes clear when you are in director office, it was cool to know that tenmyoji is actually Junpei.
>>332299786
I thought there would actually be a time limit so I tried to rush through it.
If they'd given you the full 15 minutes and had time visibly ticking down it would have been really good. Failing should have led to another bad end.
>>332294626
It was so good it created a lot of plot holes.
This shit was Shyamalan tier.
>>332300409
K taking off his mask was fucking insane
That shit threw me for a loop
>>332300336
IIRC, in the new ZTD, the death games have time limits (and also for whatever reason, RNG).
You have the option of either letting Phi burn in the incinerator, or firing a gun with a 50% chance of killing Sigma. If you let time run out, then Phi dies.
>Tfw have watch preordered
>Its going to be worst watch
Dam why have there suddenly been so many zero escape threads in the past week?
I'm not really complaining, I just beat 999 last week and I've gotten 3 endings in VLR so far. But its very tempting to come to these threads now that I see them up even though I don't want to be spoiled...
>>332300237
>It's canon in Zero Escape that the brain works much much faster in a life-and-death situation.
Spoiler: the game works like that in real time too anon. But it's not a guarantee, it's about adrenaline and shit. Akane was scared shitless, didn't even know what a sudoku was and was supposed to speedrun the thing or she would get fucking burned alive.
It's not exactly hard to believe that she couldn't do it in under 9 minutes.
>spoilers
Gj op
>>332300110
>>332300380
Uchi implied there was a reason she looked exactly how Junpei imagined her. He implied maybe her appearance was ascribed to the field which explains how Junpei knew what she looked like. The fact that there's a reason for this makes me think there's a reason Alice showed up at the last second.
Still fucking annoying though since Uchi said he basically won't answer anything to do with ALL-ICE in ZTD.
Is VLR best on Vita or 3DS?
>>332300663
It's because Zero Time Dilemma is coming out in a few months and the preview stuff is starting to trickle in.
>>332300634
>and also for whatever reason, RNG
i think i read in an interview, the guy who makes it was pissed off at people using walkthroughs, so I think the RNG element is supposed to keep you from being able to breeze through the game without fear
>>332300663
EVACUATE NOW THIS IS NOT A DRILL
>>332294626
It was fucking amazing.
I love howin both 999 & VLR the second screen is narrated by the thoughts of the person who will BECOME Zero.
I love how they incorporated it into the final puzzle. The entire time, choices were made in the bottom screen to influence the top screen. It was meant for you to turn the DS around and reach THROUGH the top screen into the bottom screen to help her.
>>332300663
Probably because the announcement of the third game made people want to talk about the series and also cause a lot of people to hear about it/finally get around to playing it.
I just beat it and VLR. Apparently you did too. I've seen a lot of people say they played it for the first time recently.
>>332300805
maybe because a few of the puzzles are fucking boring and nobody wants to deal with another shitty dice puzzle
>>332300772
Only played 3ds version, but it`s pretyy convenient to have double screen for memos and so on, while vita has better graphics.
>>332299786
>thread about a twist
>ghost trick reaction image
>>332300857
yeah but the game was announced a few months ago right? i'd basically never noticed a thread about the series before but now i've seen one every single day for the past week. just seems strange
>>332300805
He also said he felt it fit with the theme of the game which is fat, destiny and how it's not what you expect.
"There are even moments where a snail can make a world go extinct."
>>332300946Missile is the best dog in any game
>>332300336
To be honest I think it's fine as it is.
It would have taken the drama out of the situation if you had to retry it multiple times to get it right.
Reminder that Uchikoshi is a one trick pony that has to rely on clueless Westerners to sell even a little bit.
Japan has already seen through him long ago.
>>332300687
>the game
whoops meant the brain
fuck me
>>332300729
Well taht's something, but now we're getting to the area of "anything and everythign is explainable by future vision." That is not a good place to be.
I'm a big fan of the restraint the game showed by having only the one VERY specific usage of foresight during that one life-or-death situation. It grounds the usage of psychic powers and makes for a better story. Using it to explain little things like this just cheapens those big moments.
What are your thoughts about how VLR ended? At first time, I didn`t even understand that that was it. I tried to find new section in a flowchart, but there was nothing.
ending makes me cry for reals
>>332300409
Dioactually being evil.
>>332300687
Worse than that, by the time the puzzle actually starts, she has 6 minutes.
>>332300687
>lives in Japan
>doesn't even know what a sudoku is
How ?
>>332300660
>worst watch
Maybe design wise to you, but as someone who owns the first two watches let me tell you that this watch is immediately better than the VLR watch because it isn't made out of fucking plastic. The 999 watch feels so much better because it is made of metal, and since the ZTD watch is also made of metal (not entirely, band is silicone), it will be definitely be better than that.
It also won't have retarded fucking latches like the first two watches.
>>332300596
I just laughed and put my DS down. I couldn't even fathom what the fuck I was looking at. It was also an earlier ending I got so I didn't know how buttfuck insane the game would be.
>>332301294
She's a kid, anon.
I don't think it's weird that she doesn't know about Sudoku. Hell, she doesn't even have any parents who could have shown her.
>>332301212
It fucking sucked in comparison to 999.
The thing is, even if you know the twist to 999, the ending is still an amazing, fun ride. VLR tells the twist but it feels like a "that's it?".
>>332300923
Does it still have that save corruption bug?
So, are there games with insane-full-of-twists plot like in VLR? What can you say about upcoming Root double?
>>332301661
Yeah, but it's really easy to avoid if you know why it happens.
>>332301661
It seems it does, but I haven`t experienced it myself. I didn`t save at escape rooms though.
>>332299786
9 minutes was more than enough considering it was an ez mode sudoku
>>332301568
VLR was meant to set the stage for Zero Time Dilemma. I think the 2nd entry in a Trilogy is allowed to "give people a break" because the first one went so well.
Kinda like the Indiana Jones Trilogy. Last Crusade was a blast partly because we had our palate cleansed after watching Temple of Doom.
>final entry in story heavy series is a prequel
so much for anyone getting a happy ending
why is this allowed?
>>332301428
>Ztd watch made of metal
Proof?
Blew my fucking mind.
As someone who played ever17 and Remember:11 before this, I know Uchi would pull another perspective trick but damn I wasn't prepared for this.
Pretty clever use of DS dual screen.
>>332301568
I dunno, the sheer amount of mysteries in VLR made me think a lot about the next game.
I recently replayed 999 and VLR and in comparison to its sequel, 999 seems so small. It's a great twist, but it's basically it. It's so self-contained that there's not really a lot to wonder about afterwards, especially not after VLR.
>>332301905
"I'm retarded and didn't play the game" -You
>>332301905
I can't help but feel like anyone asking this is a retard.
>>332301905
Time structure in Zero Escape iswierd.
>>332301905
It's about time-travel anon.
>>332299786
It was 3x3 sudoku. Ez as fuck.
If you couldn't finish it in less than 9 mins then might as well commit a sudoku.
>>332301692
>>332301760
So, don't save in escape rooms, and you're good?
I really don't want to start deleting shit from my Vita again
>>332301026
best lamp
>>332301905
Thanks for letting us know that you haven't played the series.
>>332302260
only in certain escape rooms.
>>332302260
Yeah, and be careful with PEC room and crew quarters, I wouldn`t save in them while even in the novel sections too.
>>332301928
https://twitter.com/Aksys_Danny/status/690775121666027520
Is there a story summary of 999? I want to play VLR but don't remember shit from 999.
>>332302640
wiki
>>332299786
I'd never done one before so I had no clue what the fuck to do.
>>332302435
Oh neato, based aksys
>>332294626
This game was good for the first 1/3 before it starts to get into the supernatural
>>332299441
If you had never encountered a sudoku puzzle in your life, would you instinctively know how to solve it?
>>332302640
Whatever you do, don't look up shit from the Zero Escape wikia. You will be spoiled on VLR.
>tfw I remember June had 6 minutes to complete the puzzle
>pull up a timer on my phone and try to complete it before she dies, even though its not actually timed ingame
>took me 7 fucking minutes
rip I guess
>>332302296
>>332302393
Thanks. Just bought it, it's conviently 50% off in the e-shop right now.
>that scene with June afraid of "getting wet"
>Bottom-screen/young Akane is actually surprised and flustered
999 was great
Can Citra run VLR?
Has anyone experienced VLR on 3DS crashing in PEC or Crew Quarters while in novel portion?
I had my game crash in PEC in novel portion when Sigma and Tenmyouji went looking for Quark there.
I was pretty surprised actually
And then pissed because I had lost a lot of progress.
I thought that the game could only crash there in escape segments.
>>332303481
NOW GET OUT OF HERE HOW DID YOU EVEN MANAGE TO STAY HERE FOR SO LONG
>>332300110
>>332300380
>>332300729
What if Mira is the real All-Ice?
>>332294626
Just fucking release this game for Ps3/Ps4/PC already for fucks sake I want to play the sequel but I don't want to buy a handheld console again.
>>332303824
By crashing you mean that "An error has occured please hold down power button" black screen?
>>332303481
Is it on sale in States or Europe?
Need to know to see if I should tell a friend to grab it now while it's on sale.
>>332303692
Citra is still really early in development, but I feel VLR will get ported to PC in due time.
>>332302640
ignore
>>332302739
Don't use the wiki.
What don't you remember?Junpei wakes up on a sinking boat with 8 other people. One is his childhood friend. They're forced to play the Nonary game where if they break any rules detonators in their bracelets go off. 9th man dies almost right away. Snake gets "murdered" shortly after. Lots of bad endings where you get killed by the same person, one where you get killed by clover. Get enough bad ends and you can get the good one. Snake wasn't murdered, he's alive. His sister and he were forced to play the Nonary game 9 years ago as a scientific experiment to access something called a morphogenetic field which basically makes people psychic. It's like internet for the human brain. Kids were kidnapped and half were put on a sinking ship, half were put in a replica of the ship. Those in the replica got the answers to the puzzles and were supposed to send them through the field to their siblings on the ship. Seven, a Japanese policeman, tracked down the ship, finds a bunch of the kids right before they die. The kids are Snake, Lotus' daughter, Santa and Akane. He helps them escape but Akane runs back to get her doll that she dropped. She's caught by Ace who is both the murderer in the current game and the mastermind in the original. He throws her in an incinerator and tells her to access the field to solve a sudoku. She does by asking for help from Junpei 9 years in the future, the bottom screen was her all along. She sent Junpei the answers all game and now at the end he sends her one to save her. He does, realizes the whole game was set up by Santa and Akane so as to complete a time loop that makes sure Akane lives in the past. They leave, Santa and AKane get away but they take Ace and drive off into the desert with him, they were never on a boat and there were never any bombs. It ends with a mysterious hitchhiker who looks like ALL-ICE appearing on the side of the road.
>>332303906
emulate it you fucking idiot, DS is among the easiest handhelds to emulate
that there are people who don't have a hacked 3DS with an R4 card in the year that we live in is baffling considering the scope of their combined libraries
It's like not owning a BC PS3, you're just hurting yourself
>>332304002
I think it stopped for a few seconds, displayed an error message and then booted me to the 3DS menu after a few seconds of staring at a black screen.
>>332303885
Possible but I think it's more likely that she's Alice's mother. Which would also explain why Uchi said he wouldn't answer that mystery in ZTD.
>>332304190
I didn`t mean ZE wiki. Wikipedia has a pretty good summary without spoiling VLR that much.
>>332304164
Oh
It's more frequently on sale there than not
Still, thanks
>>332304217
>I want to play the sequel
I played the first game long time ago. But you are right maybe I should just stop being lazy and buy a 3DS already.
Wait did this twist take place during the entire game? I just assumed the screens only meant something near the end
So how did Sigma find the resources to set up his facilities on the moon ? He had no powerful ally and wasn't sponsored by a major firm, so what happened ?
>>332306009
Nope, the whole game anything on the bottom screen is what Akane is seeing. Uchi admitted this created a problem with one of the puzzles in the cargo hold though which kinda sucks that he was aware and did nothing to address it.
>>332306358
They were already there, he just commandeered one for himself and basically nobody could stop him
>>332306358
he was sponsored by Crash Keys you dumbo
>>332306358
He was sponsored by Crash Keys, Akane and Aoi's organization. They're rich from Aoi making stock decisions based on Akane's future sight.
Uchi explained that they helped with the whole second Nonary game as well as the first. He said they even faked young Sigma's girlfriend leaving him to ensure he'd be alone that night.
>>332306358
>He had no powerful ally
He's backed by Akane's organization, Crashkeys, which is incredibly powerful.
>>332306358
The same way Akane did.
He used Crash Key's resources.
>>332306515
>>332306579
>>332306583
I basically just finished this game and this shit is NEVER mentioned
Is this some QA shit
So, /v/.How much of a disappointment will Zero Time Dilemma be?
>>332306717
It's heavily implied by the fact that it's fucking Akane who recruits him for the job.
>>332306717
yes, there are like 200 or so questions answered across various QAs and interviews.
>>332294626
Everyone was asleep the whole time and you have no fucking clue what happened
>>332306771
Don't say that, anon. I want to have faith that Uchikoshi will do right by his fans.
>>332306717
He expanded on it in teh QA but there are absolutely hints throughout the game. The organization's name is a password to one bomb, Akane explains who they are and in 999 if you say the right thing to Santa he mentions being rich from making good stock decisions.
You could put it all together pretty easily if you pay attention in fact I'm pretty sure the people who asked the question in the QA guessed these things and asked for confirmation meaning someone figured it out.
>>332297254
I believe you anon, i wont kill myself for twenty more years if i dont die by then
>>332306854
>Heavily implied
That's a definite no, then
And you fucking nigs have the gall to act like this is shit everyone should just know
Get your head out of your fucking ass, anon
>>332306859
I don't have a problem with Uchi tying really small loose ends in QA sessions and shit
What I do have a problem with is people assuming every single person who played Zero Escape should have pored over every detail and already know this shit
Like come on, I'm in like every one of these threads and I've never even heard of this
>>332306859
A lot of the things in the Q&As are either Uchikoshi saying "That's up to the reader" or confirmation of things that were implied in the games.
It's still cool that he did them though.
>>332304190
>>332304452
Anon tyvm.
>>332307075
Stop throwing a hiss anon.
No one is judging you. You asked if it was in the game or if you had to had read the Q&As to get it and the answer is that it is both in the games and the Q&As.
>>332307075
>What I do have a problem with is people assuming every single person who played Zero Escape should have pored over every detail and already know this shit
You're in 4chan, the summit of autism. You're expected to be completely knowledgeable of the topic you're discussing. 5 people instantly replied you with the answer. That said, no one really insulted you for not knowing that info, so don't take it too personally.
Also, as someone else said, it was also implied through various hints in the game.
>>332307075
It's pretty damn obvious even if you don't read the Q&A. In one of the last endings for VLR, he wakes up in Akane's care and she tells him she's personally arranged his shuttle to rhizome-9. She was obviously the one responsible for funding him getting there.
>>332303906
999 and VLR are being ported to pc after ZTD aren't they?
>>332294626
Someone explain what is happening here
Why did Akane`s Zero garments in the end of VLR have those Free the Soul signs?
>>332294626
The use of the dual screens was pretty clever, but the actual time travel twist was a mess and didn't have proper foreshadowing that the supernatural can exists. The game bases it self inside reality for far too long, only giving glimpses of the supernatural in the occasional spooky story that is portrayed as just that: A spooky fictional story. It even becomes even more of an issue because the game expects multiple playthroughs before you reach the ending with actual supernatural stuff.
>>332307938
They have not announced that yet no. The reason likely why at least for 999 is a lot of art would have to be redone for higher resolutions.
>>332308150
This will be answered in the 3rd game.
>>332308169
>only giving glimpses of the supernatural in the occasional spooky story that is portrayed as just that: A spooky fictional story.
It's not the games fault if you were too thick to ignore obvious foreshadowing.
> It even becomes even more of an issue because the game expects multiple playthroughs before you reach the ending with actual supernatural stuff.
It's the exact opposite, if you do multiple playthroughs you will hear more stories about eh supernatural from characters and should have realized they were relevant.
It's honestly hilarious that you claim the game doesn't have foreshadowing then proceed to explain how the game foreshadows it. What did you want a character 5 min in to say "BTW THIS IS A SCI FI STORY"?
>>332308169
I felt the opposite really, they seem to beat you over the head with foreshadowing in 999.
>hey junpei wouldn't it be weird if you could send your thoughts through time, there was an experiment about that I think maybe, anyway nvm back to puzzle
Every room
>>332300409
That momentwhen you change your vote vs Phi to Betray because she betrayed you in another timeline and this time she votes Ally... And when Phi comments on it.
Not really a twist, but something that was really great.
Also, the fact thatit's 2074 was really mindfucking too.
>>332308150
This will be answered in the third game. Please look forward to it
Most of the science exposition didn't actually lead to anything though. Ice-9, Locke's Socks, etc.
>>332309968
>Locke's Socks
Sigma`s arms?
>>332309968
Locke's Sock is a metaphor for Akane/Zero.
Are you worried about ZTD? You know, the threshold of expectations is rather high. How is Uchi going to deal with alreaddy super-mindfucked-twised-plot and make ZTD even something more than VLR was? I`m really worried
>>332308423
>you claim the game doesn't have foreshadowing then proceed to explain how the game foreshadows it
I said the game doesn't have PROPER foreshadowing. It has foreshadowing, it's just badly done. Characters who aren't involved with setting up the nonary game are used to foreshadow supernatural events that they have absolutely no knowledge about. The only ones who do are Ace, Santa and Akane. Ace doesn't do any supernatural foreshadowing, I don't remember Akane doing any real foreshadowing of the supernatural either, though I could be wrong. Santa's the only one that does with the Schrodinger's Cat story. The rest of the stuff is just people who have no clue, just babbling off the top of their head. There's no legitimate basis for talking about most of this stuff to begin with either and it really delegitimizes their story.
Proper foreshadowing of the supernatural would give you a tiny glimpse into something unexplainable. It doesn't have to be to apparent but spooky stories aren't enough, especially when most of the storytellers aren't credible.
>>332309968
Locke's Socks is meant to explain the morphogenetic field. As Uchi explained it, the matter your body is made up of right now is not the same matter it was made up of ten years ago but you're still you.
In ZE it's because the true human essence is stored in the field. This is expanded on in VLR with the idea that human bodies aren't so different than robots whose brains are in a central CPU.
>>332310217
>>332310296
Both these guys have it pretty spot on too. It applies to both those things as both those things have to do with the underlying theme "Where is the essence of a sentient being located?"
I agree about Ice 9. It's an example of how the morphogenetic field effects more than just living creatures but the whole ALL-ICE thing is never explained and probably never will be.
>>332310470
A little bit. He's gotten kinda predictable since every game has the twist hinge on not being who you think you are. Even punch line did it kinda.
>>332310583
K, I disagree and think you're stupid. You're mixing up games (Schrodingers cat is never mentioned in 999), getting things wrong (Seven demonstrates extensive knowledge of certain topics as his memory returns) and just drawing conclusions that make 0 sense.
You are absolutely given a glimpse, by the characters and again, once you heard stories about morphogenetic field theory a million times as well as other supernatural stories you probably should have realized, "hmm maybe this is important".
>>332311025
>Schrodingers cat is never mentioned in 999
Santa talks about it when he sees the painting.
Good thread, reminded me of one Armored Core thread several months ago where lore was actively discussed.
>>332297254
wtf? the best hand prosthesis we have have around 3-4 degrees of freedom. The actual human hand has 27, and you're saying we'll have full body prosthesis in 20 years? fat fucking chance.
Deus ex wont happen for another 150 years. Ghost in the Shell wont happen for another 300 years
>>332310470
I realized a while back that my expectations were a bit too high. So far it looks good to me, but I have a few worries.
1) Making it fully 3D seems like a waste and I would have preferred it stayed as it was, but I'll have to see how it works
2) I'm a bit bothered by how many returning characters that are. If we assume that neither Junpei, Akane, Sigma and Phi can really be the "villain" then it takes out a lot of the tension of the game. Again we'll have to see.
3) A few of the things I've heard about the puzzles seems a bit iffy (RNG, time-limits etc.). I would prefer if they dialed it back to 999's style with inventory puzzles. A lot of VLR's puzzles seemed pretty mechanic (a lot of them involved math or cracking some fucking code or whatnot).
4) 3 protagonists and 3 separate groups seems pretty weird, but it could work, if it works like the timelines in VLR (with each path having both set-ups and pay-offs)
I'm cautiously excited for it. My biggest fear is if the plothooks from VLR doesn't get solved.
>>332310583
>I said the game doesn't have PROPER foreshadowing
That's just like your opinion man.
>>332311549
>I've heard about the puzzles seems a bit iffy (RNG, time-limits etc.)
You're confusing puzzles and decisions.
Can you recommend any books similar to Zero Escape in terms of plot or showering you with a lot of scientific expositions making sense in the end?
>>332309968
Locke's socks was an allegory for ZTD's development all along.
>>332311659
Oh, well that makes a lot more sense.
That seems alright then.
Has anyone replayed the game, VLR that is? Jesus fuck does it make you feel like an idiot since they were dropping hints all over the place.
>>332312109
Hints about what? There's kinda a lot going on in that game.
>>332310470
No, and I don't mean to sound like an Uchikoshi shill, but I've enjoyed everything (zero escape, infinity series, punchline) he has worked on.
I trust him completely. I honestly believe he cares about the series and wants to put forth his best work.
Changing to cinematics may scare some because it seems like a huge change, but I think Uchikoshi can work with it. I may still prefer narrations, but I don't think this has any chance of ruining the game. That's overreacting.
I'm not expecting a masterpiece, but at the very least I expect something on par to VLR, if not better.
>>332312251
Everything.Who tenmyouji is, that sigma is zero, that it's far into the future, etc. With the chinese room they even show a red headed girl as the example. I don't remember if she was wearing the same color clothes as luna.
>>332312557
>a red headed girl
I didn`t even think about it. The chinese room example sounded like... example, nothing more to it. Damn...
>>332312292
I feel the same way. It'll be an enjoyable ride. I don't expect it to be some kind of masterpiece.
I'm also sure that Cinema, Decision and Quest are the way they are for a reason.
He'll pull some new trick with the new format.
>>332300983
The game was announced about a year ago.
There's been a thread about it every day because it's been really anticipated and hyped.
Aksys started doing weekly updates to ZTD, releasing a new character portrait and participant every week.
Then the Famitsu scans.
Then the screenshots and trailer came out and everything hits the fan.
That's basically everything in a nutshell.
>>332312557
Hmmm I'll have to see for myself. Plan on replaying right before zero time dilemma comes out. The only thing I remember predicting correctly was that K wasa clone. Well except I thought he was clone of Brother.
Is Punchline worth a watch? Does it actually have an interesting plot or is it pure otaku pandering?
>>332301905
>not knowing about point E
>basically the entire goal of ZTD was for point E to exist
>specifically so the characters can get a happy ending
Did you even play the games?
>>332313094
I think so.
It's nothing amazing, but about halfway into the show it gets really great.
It may seem like pure garbage at first (that's what I certainly thought), but stick around for the ride and you'll enjoy it.
Though it is a shame thatthe ending is only a normal end and the true end is saved for the Punchline videogame
>>332313094
Its complete trash as far as plot goes. Very tame in the ecchi department which is surprising considering the whole panty thing.
>>332313094
Punchline takes a while to get good. Like 5 episodes. It's pretty good once it gets good though but the first few episodes are pretty awful, especially if you can't stand gratuitous amounts of fan service.
>>332297157
It was a joke tho
>>332299786
it was pretty easy
>>332312557
Well, not to sound like a smart-ass, but I got most of those on the first playthrough.
>>332314085
>Its complete trash as far as plot goes
explain yourself
>>332312109
The weird thing about VLR's twists is that I mostly brushed them off to the side or went to the wrong direction with them.Them being on the moon? Way too obvious, this series wouldn't go THAT crazy.
Sigma's an old man? Nah, they're just insulting him because he has a gray streak in his hair probably- wait but K didn't, oh well maybe they're just messing with him. K though god who knows what he is, I thought he was Snake until his ending, so I'll just enjoy the ride and see where it goes.
GOLM implying there's another robot? It has to be Alice, after all that stuff from the last game.
I admit I didn't see it being the future at all because of Clover, I thought the pods were more red herrings, and it didn't even occur to me who Tenmyouji and the old lady were because of that. Should've realized it from Quark's letter and from Tenmyouji having Akane's picture.
>>332316409
When you start the game you get some flashfowards to the terrain outside the testing facility.
My first thought was that they were on the moon, but I then the R6 explanation came as the reason for the suits.
>>332316409
>Should've realized it from Quark's letter and from Tenmyouji having Akane's picture.
Ok, which of you idiots didn't know Tenmyoldy was Junpei even after the picture? It was pretty obvious, Quark even mentioned that the girl in the picture was his first love.
So why did Zero cosplay as Dio?
>>332317573
Don't you think it's the other way around?
I didn't even get that there was supposed to be a twist until like two years later.
The "twist" I mean is that the bottom screen was what Akane saw 9 years ago for the whole game. Like, what? I didn't even know the ending was trying to convey that.
>>332317101He could have been cucked by kid Junpei long ago, and was still salty about it.
>>332318562
I don't really think that's important.
The twist is really that Akane was the narrator all along.
>>332304190
There were bombs in the Cradle participants iirc.
>>332294626
It was amazing
the whole game was amazing
>>332296872
she had no instructions on her end, and she had never done sudoku.
I suppose you'd have to be living under a rock to be japanese and not know how to do sudoku, but thats a very minor gripe
>>332297157
It was supposed to be funny, and it sort of was, but I agree that it was out of place.
>>332313094
Starts off shitty, gets good, but then the ending holds back because the bigger mysteries are held back for the game. Still a decent show though, but it's Uchi's most pandering work yet. Japs still hated it from what I hear though, kek.
the sudoku? no
the main villains? yes
>>332318730
Nah famalam Jumpy is the designated eternal cuck.
>>332319151
I doubt most elementary school kids would know how to do sudoku.
>>332318774
I still didn't get that from the ending. I just figured Akane was the narrator from the point after the bottom screen went white and she started talking about the letter I and forked rivers. It didn't make me think "oh my god it can't be junpei saying all this. it was never him". It made me think "it can't be junpei saying this, so there's a different person speaking/thinking now".
It gave me goosebumps
>>332319630
So you got it?
I don't understand.
I'm replaying 999 to get myself hyped up for ZTD, and there's one thing I don't get. I understand that whenever Akane gets a fever, it's because you've made a choice that's put you on the wrong path/away from the True Ending, and thus it's Akane's past self burning to death as paradox-times are happening.
But, the first time she gets the fever is before you get to even make any choices. It's right after everyone is opening the 5 Door to see what happened to the 9th Man. This happens in every single timeline, since it's before you make any choices. So why does the fever happen? Is ti because the 9th Man wasn't supposed to die here? (I know Ace caused that, but I thought 9th Man's death was still a planned result for Akane anyway, just not the exact way). What's going on? Am I missing something?
>>332319847
You (or whoever) said that "akane was the narrator all along". I thought that it was always Junpei like we thought, but the game switched narrators and just showed a flashback at the climax of the game.
>>332318730
I don't think you'd be this obsessed about a girl unless she literally was in your mind.
>>332294626
I found it pretty neat, especially when I went back and noticed how obvious it was.
>>332297254
Nigga, if such a thing is even feasible, u looking at at least another century until common plebs can afford it
>>332319919
>whenever Akane gets a fever, it's because you've made a choice that's put you on the wrong path/away from the True Ending, and thus it's Akane's past self burning to death as paradox-times are happening
This thread makes me feel like I haven`t even played the game (chinese room all along).
>>332320035
Oh.
Well that sounds a bit silly anon. The narration literally says "He knew because 'I' knew". It should be clear that the narration was a 1st person narration instead of a 3rd person one.
>>332319919
I think the QA confirmed that he wasn't supposed to die like that, or at least that it disrupted the ideal timeline slightly. I don't quite remember.
>>332319919
She gets the fever when she approaches the #5 door, which leads away from the true ending.
I'm unsure whether I want to replay 999 and VLR or just jump into ZTD when it comes out. I'm worried about getting burnt out by the time ZTD comes out and I have a lot of other games I need to get to but at the same time, I'm worried I'll miss important stuff if I don't have it all fresh in my mind.
>>332320738
I don't think there's a reason to replay them. You probably remember most of the important stuff and I think you could easily get burned out if you're not in the mood to replay 999 and VLR
>>332308169
Its because its shit, Zero Escape only has strong western fanbase because nips didnt allow better stories out of japan.
>>332320738
Just watch the stream
>>332320397
Yup, that's the exact sentence at which I thought "oh, it's someone else talking now". I thought that until then it was Junpei speaking about himself.
Not sure what you mean by "it should be clear that it was a 1st person narration". Yeah, it was. I thought it was Junpei speaking in first person and then at some point Akane speaks about herself.
>>332311025
>>332311261
And the fanbase its this shitty when you disagree with them.
>>332321208
There's a both an "I" and a "He" in the sentence. If you thought the "I" was Junpei then who did you figure was the "He" that he referred to?
>>332321539
Tenmyouji, obviously.
>>332310583
>I don't remember Akane doing any real foreshadowing of the supernatural either
She does. she talks about the Titanic and Futility. She also talks about the mummy's curse and Ice-9. All her conversations with Junpei is about her suddenly slinging occult stuff his way.
>Characters who aren't involved with setting up the nonary game are used to foreshadow supernatural events that they have absolutely no knowledge about
All the participants except Junpei has a connection to the Nonary Game and have reasons for knowing about the things they talk about.
What are some elder god tier twists?
I got some good ones
Ghost Trick:Sissel is really a cat
AA: Justice for All:Matt Engarde actually IS guilty
AA: Dual Destinies:I wanna help my mommy!
Sands of Time:The whole game is a flashback being told to Farah by the Prince
So I noticed something when I replayed VLR
This picture, who took it?
Akane is looking to the side and it matches that CG with Junpei having bruises because I don't remember why, so she's looking at him.
Which takes us again to the question, who took this picture?
>>332294626
>hear how awesome of a game 999 is
>don't have a ds, not destined to play it
>found out how far emulation has progressed since when i tried it with ps1 years and years ago
>finally launch, game starts
>visual novel, you are on a boat, do shitty puzzles and find blue keys
How do you people live with yourselves: shitting on mobas while praising fucking visual novels? You all are disgusting.
>>332322184
Digital Devil Saga:You're actually inside a computer simulation and you were based off people from the real world.
Danganronpa:You actually knew each other before the game started and you chose to get locked up because the outside world is
fucked.
The Witcher:The kid was the villain who timetravelled to the past.
That's all I think of at the moment.
>>332299681
The gas station attendant was suspicious from the beginning, the whole game was basically about getting through a bunch of stupid hurdles just to tie up the one loose end sitting right in front of you
>>332299786
>all these psssssh git gud replies
I wonder what burnt anons smell like
>>332313094
It was absolute crap. It was uchikoshi's same old plottwists. But now for children and mentally disabled. It required no thoughts from your end and genuinely it was just not that good.
Maybe if you're a weaboo.
Like half of the ZE fans are weaboos the other half are just respectable people that like a game that requires some thought into it.
Don't watch the Punchline if you are in the latter half like me.
>>332322543
It's not really a visual novel, since it has plenty of gameplay.
The boat is actually a pretty cool setting.
What's wrong with puzzles?
I don't understand what mobas has to do with an adventure game.
And it doesn't sound like you got very far into the game. You should try and beat it before you voice your opinion.
>>332323792
>Like half of the ZE fans are weaboos the other half are just respectable people that like a game that requires some thought into it.
Damn son get off your high horse
>>332322052
>All the participants except Junpei has a connection to the Nonary Game and have reasons for knowing about the things they talk about.
This is true however the issue is they aren't aware of the supernatural aspects and the goal of the Nonary Game that's the problem. The reasons for their rambling has no legitimacy to it.
I found out recently that danganronpa was made by chunsoft as well.
So i went and play it.
Am at chapter 2 and i didn't enjoy it.
Should i keep playing it because some sort of cool twist will happen that makes it interesting or should i just drop it if i don't like it right now?
>>332324314
While exploring rooms, they find things which remind them of something and they just talk it out to put down the level of stress. What kind of legitimacy do you want?
>>332324527
It was made by Spike.
>>332324527
>>332324527
Play it, the suspence and twists start to show themselves near the end.
>>332324527
You can drop it right now. No point in torturing yourself.
Little curious, but what are 3 of your favorite twist in the Zero Escape Series?
Mine are
1.You were actually playing as young Akane the entire time.
2.Sigma was an old man the entire time
3.K looked like Sigma
>>332322184
AAI2:Your client was guilty but not directly for the murder he was accused of, and he was the mastermind behind most of the events in the game
>>332324314
Come with an example please.
Akane and Santa gets a pass for all her conversations for obvious reasons.
Clover, Snake and Ace knew about the past game and the morphogenetic field which is all they ever talk about.
It's hinted that Seven actually worked with Akane, so that could explain his conversations as could the fact that he has spend a decade investigating Cradle Pharmaceutical, Free the Soul and other stuff, so it makes sense for him to know about those things.
Which leaves Lotus.
a) spend time investigating the Nonary Game. b) both of her conversations are prompted by things in the environment an are about this that are easily known to the public.
I hardly see the problem you're talking about. Maybe you should replay the game. A lot of things actually make a lot of sense on a 2nd playthrough.
>>332324985Ace having prosopagnosia, Santa and Akane being brother and sister, K being Sigma
>>332322184
Devil Survivor:You're actually the reincarnation of Abel and your cousin is Cain trying to take advantage of you not knowing to have you become a super powerful demon lord and go against god as revenge.
Nier:You and all the other characters are actually just shells meant for human souls to inhabit after the world went to shit and all the shades which you kill tons of are the real humans. As far as I understand it you basically ruin all hope for humanity.
>>332323453
Man, I fucking love Digital Devil Saga. I completely forgot that Witcher one though. I'm having a hard time remembering a good deal of that game actually even though I loved it and did ever quest and shit.
>>332324985
I remember that last one fucked me up when it happened. So many things went through my head and it made me really want to know more. That's what I love about these games.
