What makes MGR's edginess okay but DmC's bad?
Wet chunks.
One is a good game and the other is not.
Fornicate Thou
I like Metal Gear as a series more than DMC so I was willing to put up with the cringe
Fug u :-DDD
MGR was so edgy it was cute.
DMC Dante was so edgy it was cringe.
>>332275391
rules of nature
>>332275391
Because Raiden was always edgy.
People make fun of Not Dante's edginess because it's so different from the original Dante
MGR was probably meant to be funny with how stupid it was, what with it being a Metal Gear game and all.
DmC was by Tameem's own admission, his idea of cool.
>>332275553
>mfw I like the music in both games
I never thought Combichrist would fit until I started playing it but it's just about perfect
The modern hipster look DmC destroyed the entire game
>>332275594
Why are you describing DMC4?
>>332275594
>60fps
>fun gameplay
>cool protagonist
>has a story
you saying the other games don't have these?
MGR doesn't take itself seriously most of the time with characters goofing around, cracking jokes, and bosses being mustache twirling stereotypes. It's so over the top and nonsensical that you can't help but to laugh when Raiden tries to act like an edgelord.
In DmC it tries to take itself serious very often, with an overall message of capitalist greed and societal corruption. It has this feeling like they're trying to convince you that Dante is incredibly cool and outside the norm, when most of the time he's acting like a massive asshole. When you have that kind of background for when Dante is having a literal conversation that goes Fuck you, Fuck you, Fuck you it doesn't come off as silly or funny. It comes off like it's genuinely trying to sound cool by being edgy.
It's all about the set up for the games. Raiden gets super edgy and it's stupid sometimes, but then you've got villains yelling about 9/11 and one of the codec people spilling her coffee on keyboards. You can't help but to laugh. Whereas with DmC you've got similar edginess but then a storyline that seemingly tries to send a message and characters doing asinine shit like aborting babies. Edgy behavior is fine when it's within a similarly silly game, because that kind of behavior is silly. But DmC tried not to be super silly all the time, which then left you asking if they expected the player to take Dante's behavior seriously.
>>332275594
There is someone (boss, NPC, etc, etc) hysterical screaming on DmC every 10 minutes
100% degenerate game.
they destroyed the entire series.
>>332275680
He didn't mentioned half-assed.
NANOMACHINES, SON
>>332275767
Then what is he talking about?
DmC also tries to show Dante naked and show woman as the left (SJW) wants them to look : independent, cool, super hype, modern, emotional
Compare to Devil May Cry 3 and you'll what a woman should dress and talk.
>>332275829
DmC may have been a bad game, but at least it didn't make you go through the first half of it a second time.
>>332275783
What exactly don't they have?
>>332275874
But what about "cool protagonist" point? Donte is one of the least likeable protagonists ever.
MG:R is deliberately tongue-in-cheek, DmC is not. DmC is still a decent action game, however.
One takes itself seriously with some sort of hamfested stupid message, and the other doesn't.
>>332275391
Kat was really my only issue with this game. She is so fucking unlikeable. Sob stories, squirrel semen, and that retarded design
>>332275594
>enemy types that can only be hit by one weapon, consequently blocking the flow of the games
>infinite air juggles
>easy S combos
Those things the main reasons why I hate DmC. It being so cringe with how hard they try to be edgy is just an easy jab.
>>332275848
>independent, cool, super hype, modern, emotional
If you don't like that you are 100% xenophobic, racist and Trump supporter
>>332275783
but they all run 60fps, have fun gameplay, a cool protagonist and a story.
What are you on about?
>>332275953
Better than DMC 2 Dante.
>>332275993
Can't you switch weapon types pretty much instantly? I remembered thinking the one weapon enemies thing was a pretty fun mechanic.
>>332276031
Emo Sickness
>>332276031
Only DMC3:SE was 60 fps on PS2 actually.
But since there's HD Collection and OP counts DmC as 60 fps game, I guess they count as well.
>>332275594
>>332275993
That was fixed in Definitive Edition. They now take the most damage from the corresponding weapon and less from others
>>332276109
Sorry, not OP, but that other guy.
>>332276086
No, it's annoying. It's not about switching weapons, but you get limited to one type of combo.
The entire game is based on making crazy combos, but then those enemies force you to use the same moves over and over again, sucking the fun right out of it.
>>332275391
Because /v love sucking Kamiya's dick.
>>332276048
>taller manlet
>>332275732
MGR hides its seriousness in the codecs. If you take the time to listen through them all, you get the usual philosophizing on memetics and sociopolitics and the human costs of war.
The rest of what you said is spot on, though. MGR felt like a deliberate parody, right down to Raiden getting pissed about debating ethical theories with Monsoon and Armstrong being a cartoon Solidus.
>>332276178
>>332276148
retard
>>332276148
If they fix the other two things I would actually like the game. I can look past the cringe if the rest is good.
>>332276195
What does Kamiya have to do with both games?
>>332275594
>cool protagonist
No.
>>332276260
Blocked
>>332275595
>Because Raiden was always edgy.
But that's wrong.
>>332276218
Yeah, I'm retarded for not buying the definitive edition when I didn't like the original one.
Idiot
>>332276245
Infinite air juggles are hardly a deal breaker since you can pretty much do the same shit in DMC3 and 4. I could not give less of a fuck about combo rankings, but I will admit that JCing is much, much slower in DmC - which is kind of annoying.
>>332276328
That's not saying much on his contributions to both games.
MGR is a great action game DmC is a shit action game
in simpler language MGR is Japanese and DmC is western
>>332276360
Infinite air juggles are hard as fuck in DMC3 and 4.
>>332275391
One is tasteful
>>332276373
Agreed
I bet the anti-capitalist idea on DmC was from some hipster
>>332275391
>What makes MGR's edginess okay but DmC's bad?
Maybe because MGR don't constantly say Fuck You ever 2 seconds or the fact that they didn't have to reinvent their characters to be edgy.
Platinum cocksuckers
>>332276396
No one's going to deny that DMC3 and 4 JCing is much harder.
This whole
>hurr, DmC iz shit
stuff is a load of garbage, however. DmC is not a great DMC game by any stretch of the imagination. In the grand scheme of action games, on the other hand, DmC is pretty decent. I would play DmC over God of War any day.
I actually really enjoyed this trailer back when it came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzQPZUMqd_0
>>332276486
>I would play this shitty game over that shitty game
wow
>>332276337
>It even rained.... the day I was born!
>>332275391
Because people upon seeing the name Metal Gear Rising expects it to be different to Metal Gear Solid and they see Raiden as a different protagonist and not a revisioning of the Snakes. They get a wholly different game with elements from an older one and they accept that because they were expecting a wholly different game
When people see a name like Devil May Cry they expect old Dante and old traditions and thus are disappointed when they see this new edgy Donte
>>332276179
>ten years old
>been playing DMC since he was 2
>"I liked it before it was cool"
Average DmC hater
>>332276339
Just don't complain when the issues have already been resolved. It's not like can't get it for dirt cheap
>>332275609
>>332275732
>>332275954
>MGR is ironic
>MGR is tongue in cheek
>MGR is not serious
Oh boy that part where they take children and turn them into cyborg soldiers sure was a laugh wasn't it? Or when Sundowner talks about creating a manufactured crisis on the scale of 9/11? Hilarious.
>>332275391
>MGR
>edgy
The game dropped all of it's seriousness when they revealed Mariachi Raiden
>>332276620
Anon doesn't appear to understand the concept of dark humour.
>>332276620
Yes.
>>332275391
Because MGR is fun to play and all else is excused.
>>332275391
The retarded sexual innuendos in DmC were what made it worse.
Besides, MGR clearly didn't take itself too seriously with all those cheesy lines and over the top shit like running on the missiles, not unlike how previous DMC games did actually.
>>332276086
Yes, but when there are enemies of both colors (red and blue) on the screen and each can only be hit with respective weapons, a lot of time you feel very limited. If they stand next to one another you basically cant attack until they move, you can but you will only hit one, while your weapon rebounds of the other, and he goes in for a counter attack. You can wait till they move, and often it doesn't last longer than a few moments, but in a game that's supposed to be about chaining combos all the time, and never stopping the flow of action, suddenly having to stop feels very wrong and frustrating
>>332276620
The point of MG:R was to, quite literally, take the piss out of MGS tropes. Hence, Armstrong's 'Nanomachines, I ain't gotta explain shit' speech at the end of the game.
>>332275391
Aside from the fact MGR was self aware, one game gave us the best heavy metal album in years and the other was DmC.
>>332276757
Nigger, I swear you're retarded
>>332276148
>>332276620
>Oh boy that part where they take children and turn them into cyborg soldiers sure was a laugh wasn't it? Or when Sundowner talks about creating a manufactured crisis on the scale of 9/11? Hilarious.
We're talking about edgyness here
>turning kids into soldiers
Not edgy
>shooting a pregnant woman
extremely fucking edgy
See the difference?
>>332276793
>The point of MG:R was to, quite literally, take the piss out of MGS tropes. Hence, Armstrong's 'Nanomachines, I ain't gotta explain shit' speech at the end of the game.
The point of DmC was to, quite literally, take the piss out of DMC tropes. Hence Donte's "Not in a million years"
>>332276148
How was the definitive edition, I thought that the regular game was alright, flawed but still prefer it to most other genres. Does it fix all or most gameplay issues, new dante being annoying wasn't that big of a dealbreaker anyway
>>332275391
MGR's edginess was terrible too.
Also every section in MGR that wasn't a bossfight was pretty damn mediocre and boring.
It's remembered for having memorable characters, cool cutscenes, and neat bossfights.
Pumbaa! Turn off my pain inhibitors!
>>332276929
>The point of DmC was to, quite literally, take the piss out of DMC tropes.
Buuuut it wasn't. The entire marketing campaign was the opposite.
>>332276867
If you seriously don't think Raiden cutting a kid in half and partly enjoying it is edgy I don't know what to say.
MGR is just as edgy as DmC.
>>332276864
>bought the game not once but twice
>calls someone else retarded
>>332276932
Fixes color-coded enemies, adds hardcore mode, turbo mode, lock-on, and all the dlc. Oh, and gets rid of Vergil's fedora.
>IT'S TIME FOR JACK TO LET IT RIP
>FUCK YOU
Which one is edgier?
MGR's tongue was more in cheek than my tongue wants to be between these >>332275908 cheeks
>>332277007
>I can't afford to buy the definitive edition of a game even after price drops.
>>332276649
this .gif isn't slow motion anons. this is what happens when you don't do the pointless unfailable damage rack-up QTE
>>332275391
MGR wasn't edgy, it was hilariously stupid.
It didn't try to seem "hip" and "pushing the boundaries", it was just super camp and over the top.
>>332276958
Yeah but MGR:R was so short you could never really feel boredom.
>>332276932
It's a pretty huge improvement, especially if you use the DMC3 outfit.
>>332276929
No, the point of DmC was hurr-durr "Look how retarded DMC was!" while Tam-tam choked himself out while masturbating.
It was a retarded exercise in foolishly-applied pride.
Tam-tam thought he could make a way better action game in a field crafted by Hideki Kamiya and perfected by Hideaki Itsuno, and was found wanting so hard that Capcom is waiting for Itsuno to get bored so he'll make DMC5.
>>332277106
I don't know. Have you tried playing it again?
I did, quit at the elevator part.
>>332277014
Ranks still based on damage?
Angelic weapons buffed?
In the regular game a couple of hits with the arbiter were enough for a instant S
>>332276620
>But first, you need to take a DOOMP
>>332276929
>The point of DmC was to, quite literally, take the piss out of DMC tropes
Couldn't be more wrong.
Raiden > New Dante
Old Dante > Raiden
>>332277183
haha, remember when the silly hand-ball got the usb plug around the wrong way? ^_^
>>332277169
Actually yeah I did. I played it once on console when it came out and then the PC release and I had loadsafun. But there was like a year gap between the two.
>>332276649
Even if Armstrong's body could tense until it's as hard as diamonds, surely the force of Raiden's punch would send him flying?
>>332276620
>Taking 911 seriously
You're just a generic normie ain't ya
>>332276620
>Oh boy that part where they take children and turn them into cyborg soldiers sure was a laugh wasn't it?
Turning people into cyborgs is a concept you would see in a superhero comic book.
Yes it was a laugh.
Child soldiers is a serious thing, but this has ROBOTS thrown in front of it.
One wasn't marketed as SHAKESPEARIAN
I miss /v/ when dmc was upcoming and just got released. All those fun threads.
>>332277264
Good for you then. I'm just glad the menu lets you pick the bosses.
>>332277183
>Hikari-chan! So kawaii!
>>332277140
>Objectively wrong opinion passing by
>>332277292
Armstrong isn't a feather
>>332276864
Eat shit, the issue isn't unsolvable but it exist when it shouldn't. Dont see how I'm retarded for pointing it out
>>332277002
Ok yeah, that was pretty edgy.
But the edginess was offset by pretty much everything else.
>>332277375
neither is RAY, but raiden can launch that into orbit
>>332277181
Yes, and don't quote me but I believe they adjusted damage values for weapons.
At the very least, there is a mode that makes it so enemies are only damaged of you reach s rank and keep it.
>>332277325
>Turning people into cyborgs is a concept you would see in a superhero comic book.
>Yes it was a laugh.
>Child soldiers is a serious thing, but this has ROBOTS thrown in front of it.
This.
I laughed out loud when I saw those kid brains in jars with nothing but their eyes and spine left, while still being conscious.
>>332276972
jesus fuck
>>332277356
>meme words
Okay, fag
>>332277464
Probably something to do with nanomachines then
>>332277464
>>332277292
Shhh... Logic.
>>332277401
Learn English, then argue with me.
>>332275391
>MGR message
>killing (playing games) is fun and you shouldn't be a pussy about trying to justify it with a higher purpose (muh cinematic art games)
>DmC message
>SHAKESPEAREAN
That's why.
>>332277183
>>332277350
Shut the fuck up guys this game is serious, I swear
>>332275391
Edginess isn't really edgy when it doesn't take itself seriously.
>>332277519
>personelle
>>332277292
The man can stand his ground. Played college ball you know?
>>332277350
more haruhi when
>this guy got a shitty guard job at an aerospace facility to work for a real life loli
>>332277650
Could have gone pro!
MGR worked because Raiden was such a hated character in the Franchise and they somehow made him do a complete 180. Also MGR campiness worked and edginess wasn't actually being edgy , just manly.
>>332277464
When Raiden lifted RAY, the weirdest thing was how his feed didn't somehow break the asphalt.
All that weight placed in such a small area should have penetrated the ground.
>>332277587
>Shhh...
>>>/reddit/
>>332277650
At some cushy Ivy League school.
>>332277701
I liked him in 4
>>332277736
He was even more of a crybaby in 4 than in 2.
>>332275391
MGR doesn't take itself seriously.
DmC was someone literally, 100% thinking its cool.
>>332277002
>Raiden cutting a kid in half and partly enjoying it
When did this happen again?
I'm not doubting you i've just forgotten.
>>332277764
No problem, man.
>>332277713
Try University of Texas!
>>332277774
I guess I'm just in the minority. Nostalgia too, probably. All I remember is the homoerotic fight with Vamp, him getting "crushed", and the ending fight then conversation with bitch wife.
>>332277829
Mexico in the sewer lab. Sliced up George to kill a scientist.
>>332277829
George, the little island boy Raiden saves at the beginning of the sewer mission. Little fucker practically begs for it, because otherwise a lot of other kids will do.
He basically gets turned into a cyborg from the shoulders down and hits on Sunny while Blade Wolf watches. Little nigga's a BAMF in the making.
>>332278084
I hope Sunny cucks him. I fucking hated that kid.
DmCDmC actually did some things right
>the "walk with an NPC not-cutscene" where the NPC's walking speed increases towards your running speed as you get closer to her
>the **inside a news network** bossfight was pretty cool actually
>the facial animation on Donte on some cutscenes
>**The succubus cutscene****but the actual fight was just shit, an absolute disappointment**
Everything else is just shit
>>332275391
BENEATH THE BLOOD STAINED SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND
>>332278204Oh shit I wasn't on the better chan
>>332275391
MGR is actually fun.
>>332275848
You mean as freaky wiccans who collect squirrel semen in their pockets or turbowhore demons that looks like melting plastic?
>>332275391
MGR's edginess was charming and consistently entertaining all the way (except for the sewer level). It didn't take itself so seriously all the time which made the edge more pleasant (Raiden in a sombrero, otaku security guard with pizza and loli mags)
DmC had some engaging moments but ultimately it's lacking in charm and take's itself to seriously too often. Take the "fuck you" scene with the succubus for example, you can tell it's probably not supposed to take itself seriously in that moment, but because of the way it was executed it comes off as being too serious. The edge is really unpleasant at times, like the time Dante expressed excitement at killing Mundus's baby with a smirk. MGR did take itself too seriously with the child brain scenes in the sewer section, but the exectuion of the game's other scenes more then make up for that part. And let's be honest, Armstrong going berserk and ranting about america with swears will always be more charming then watching a cutscene of Mundus having sex. Seriously though that Mundus sex scene was too cringey
>>332278204
I mean, the game's not absolute dogshit, but they did a lot of things wrong, especially the initial release.
But that marketing... If they'd put a muzzle on Tameem and not let him actively shit on the franchise before release, it MIGHT have hit a million sales at launch.
>>332278131
George was fantastic. Sunny's going to lose her virginity to him blushing, and they're only going to realize Blade Wolf was watching afterwards, when he speaks up.
Deal with it.
>>332278204
Post more security guard
>>332278084
Guyana isn't an island.
>>332277642
he doesn't work alone
>>332278492
I'm probably gay for him, and totally okay with that.
10/10, would husband.
>>332278492
Those are some soft looking girls
>>332278373
>Deal with it.
George shouldn't you be asleep?
>>332278682
yeah he has the0Winds of Destruction on his back
so does that anon not get the personnel meme or was he mad I tried to edgify it further?
MGR knew when to make fun of itself but it also had a lot of interesting ideas. It may have had radically different gameplay from MGS, but it still continued a lot of the same themes.
DmC took itself way too seriously, and its idea of deep was "corporations are bad, mmkay", the writing was so uninspired. When it wasn't engaging in half-assed "satire" or ripping off They Live, it was cutting and pasting plot points from the original DMCs, and making them worse.
Compare DmC's final boss to DMC3's, it's like night and day, even if you completely ignore the gameplay and look at things like story, presentation, music, emotional stakes, pacing, etc. Everything in DMC3 led up to that fight, whereas in DmC it came out of nowhere.
>>332275391
>not knowing the difference between edgy and cheesy lines
shaking my cranial structure in all honesty, familias
>>332278492
Living the dream.
>>332275703
fucking dmc2 had the shittiest story ever written in vidya
>>332276319
i actually liked new dante, he's less edgy than normal dante
>>332278492
Why are these two pizza eaters so perfect. If security man had a fighting style it would be royal guard, the best way to protect the kawaii
>>332275391
Memes
>>332276620
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1SojKfgNI
I think we can all agree that DmC Dante will never be half as cool as the security guard from mgr
>>332276620
>Oh boy that part where they take children and turn them into cyborg soldiers sure was a laugh wasn't it?
It was, because of the comical eyes and the way they wiggled their medulla oblongata as if it was a tail.
>>332278492
>>332280340
He's got Ron Perlman's slackjawed monkey face here.
We all agree that Armstrong did nothing wrong and should have been the main character of the story, right?
MGR had more likable characters overall, and a slightly more compelling story, although the cutscene before Monsoon was pretty inexcusable.
Both games are 8/10.
>>332275391
theyre both fucking shit for memespouting teenage faggots
DmC is literally the most underrated video game ever. A beautiful gem that's demonized by haters who're morally worse than DmC's antagonists.
>>332281657
But DmC's main protagonist is more evil than main antagonist.
>>332281842
so is MGR's
>>332276179
2 years old
DMC was an instant hit and hyped to hell and back by the media before it was released
>>332282235
Unless you're talking about Raiden's whole "I WAS BORN TO KILL" thing, you didn't really pay attention to Armstrong's campaign
He wanted anarchy, which is what civilisation was born from in the first place just because a few countries were fighting eachother
>>332282529
There's nothing evil about anarchy though.
If anything, Raiden is a scumbag for trying to prevent anarchy for selfish reasons.
>>332276126
>>332276179
>>332276231
>>332276285
>>332276338
>>332276386
>>332276440
>>332276481
an very authentic insight in the mind of the daily dante fag
>>332282529
did nothing wrong.
>>332283101
I really wish this was an ending.
>>332277094
lul so random much wow
awesume
>>332282708
Aren't we all selfish? And how is Armstrong less selfish than Raiden, or even PMC corporations?
>MGR has bland shallow combat with QTEs everywhere and bullshit cutscenes at every corner. It's also extremely easy and short and all around is a mediocre action game
>/v/ still thinks it's the fucking second coming of christ or something
>>332283259
Armstrong wanted anarchy for the good of us all. He's objectively on a better standing than Raiden.
>>332282708
Raiden wanted to stop Armstrong from turning kids into killing machines, that's not selfish at all.
>>332283513
But all (or most considering his dumb meme got him a ragtag team of mercs) of the people he'd do "good" for like society, and he knows that
>2018-2 p. Chr. n.
>not being able to admit the he has jumped on the DmC ragetrain on /v/ because everyone has done it dispite DmC being a very decent game.
>still defending Dante is a good charakter and DMC series was edgy as fuck from the beginning
>>332283524
He wanted to be a hero to justify his killer instinct, the kids were just a good excuse to kill and feel good about it.
Although he accepted later that he was a killer through and through.
>>332283817
Define "edgy" and explain how that definition applies to DMC 1 - 4. Yes, that includes 2.
>>332275391
What makes you think its bad?
>>332275443
That doesn't really explain much, because DmC (despite being the worst DMC game) has much more depth than MGR and is objectively a better game.
>>332284457
Naw, even after losing It he Still Tell Wolf he legitmally want to save the Kids, because they will end like another raidens
Also armstrong plan was to create a "bombs on hands" anarchy with a bunch of raidens in charge of the stuff
>>332284720
Nocturama please, drop the charade, Capcom already gave up on Devil may Cry: Devil may Cry
>>332275391
Reminder that DmC's Vergil kills a pregnant woman in cold blood, then Dante mocks her grieving husband about it.
>>332283410
It's over-the-top mindless fun. The Gurren Lagann of video games. So of course /v/ would like it.
>>332287189
>Reminder that DmC's Vergil kills a demon wench carrying a hellspawn
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