What killed the RPG genre?
>>332267024
souls series
kidding, but seriously JRPGS
>>332267024
aRPGs and retards thinking every game can be called an RPG.
SJWs
It was me, Barry.
Nothing. The rpg genre has always been dead
>>332267024
Todd Howard
>>332267024
Player base skewing younger and the ADHD little shits would rather play the latest iteration of CoD instead of reading text.
>>332267024
I disagree with your premise.
WRPGs were never good. Read a fucking book.
>>332267024
Focusing on walls of text instead of gameplay
Persona 4 Golden releases and became the best RPG ever made, thus setting the bar impossibly high and dooming all future efforts into failure.
>>332267024
Video games as a medium killed rpgs
Actually roll some dice instead of simulating it faggots
target audiences
>>332268075
This! Games like DA:I are the real cancer
Oblivion
>>332268648
>>332267024
Nothing. Now stop using Minsc in your shit threads
>we want the COD audience
>we want the SJW audience
>we want the Skyrim audience
>>332268760
This. Above all else normies killed the classic RPG. It's been dead since at least 2006, but was on life support since the late 90s.
>>332267024
I blame Bioware and Bethesda with their slow but steady casualization of the genre. Every one of their entries got a little more simplified to the point where they became action/shootan games with rpg mechanics.
I love this game but it was the first casualization I can remember
>>332267024
t. Alberto Barbosa
New NWN thread when? Just started Hordes of the Underdark as a shifter.
>>332269097
Holy shit....thats right...
>>332268667
Givre à good mod list pls
"We want to expand our target audience."
Josh sawyer
Unwashed shitstains that never tried anything outside D&D and cannot cope with the fact that other systems and settings exist.
4th edition
I will never look at a rpg game the same
>>332268404
Quick making it slow as fuck with bullshit unskippable cutscenes and 1 minute attack animations.
Fucking Wizardry had better pacing than most console RPGs since the NES.
>>332268556
We are not that autistic
>>332269454
I certainly am, but I lack friends and would never risk going to open groups.
>>332268997
Pic related was their last hurrah. I think Fallout: NV will be the last game we see go mainstream that was more RPG than it was FPS. Skyrim and FO4 barely even maintain the pretense of being RPGs anymore.
>>332267024
Sword faggotry
>Swords for everyone!FUCK YOU MINSC
>>332268760
>we want the Final Fantasy audience
>>332267024
Nothing? It's still alive.
>>332269454
Yes, because a social activity is more autistic than something you do alone.
>>332269310
Why? It was pretty fucking good at being FFT the tabletop RPG.
modern D&D is terrible
Any mods you guys would recommend for Baldur's Gate 1/2 Enhanced Editions?
>>332269576
rekt
>>332269492
Try a skype/online group.
>>332269289
More people are probably familiar with GURPS from their exposure to Fallout than will ever play a D&D campaign.
>>332267024
RPGs are still strong and alive, it's just that the western market would rather play first person shooters, competitive fighters and really anything that has to do with player-versus-player.
>>332267024
JRPGs
>>332268509
Too bad it's locked behind a 200$ paywall.
>I got a vita just for p4g since I never played the original
>>332269649
But 5e was well received.
>>332269660
Not sure if it works for the EE but BG2 ascension is worth getting
>>332267024
>RPG genre
Role playing genre genre?
>>332269660
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/34882/list-of-bg2ee-compatible-mods
>>332269669
Fallout doesn't use GURPS and D&D starting with 3.0 is almost certainly descended from an unreleased tabletop Fallout system that was retrofitted into D&D when WotC bought out TSR.
>>332269791
Its Role Playing Game, retard.
>>332267024
>WRPGS went sjw
>JRPGs went waifu pandering
>Squaresoft became Squeenix
>Turn-based battles are considered boring now
>The entire genre is appropriated by indieshit who make pixelshit rogulites with "RPG elements"
brb playing Chrono Trigger for the nth time
>>332268997
DAI and ME3 got a massive amount of blowback, and even Bethesda got a more muted response to F4, not that it was anywhere close to a failure. There are plenty of tasteless idiots out there who still give them money, but I feel like it's not sustainable in the long run. I certainly hope they fail sooner or later.
>>332269310
I know right. Having martials being more useful in combat, where they are supposed to be a pretty important part, is something mindshattering.
>solider
>cleric
>archer
>raider
>>332267024
Making them shorter.
>>332269823
But it is known that fallout was heavily inspired by gurps. SOme anon probably got the long image that talks about it ( and completely shit on Fallout 3, it's glorious)
>>332269791
Rpg means "role playing game" not "role playing genre"
>>332269660
I'm waiting to see if Dragonspear is worthwhile, then I'll wait on a full Bigworld mod for the whole EE shebang. Apparently all the new companions so far have been shit to be ignored.
>>332269874
>soldier
>soldier with some stealth
>soldier with some magic
I described modern rpg classes
Hey I know how to turn this thread to shit even faster.
Ahem.
IT ISN'T AN RPG UNLESS YOU DESIGN YOUR MAIN CHARACTER AND HAVE 10 CHOICES EVERY FEW LINES OF DIALOGUE AND THERE ARE AT LEAST 10 ENDINGS.
>>332269892
Perks are not in GURPS. All they did for FO was make a shallow clone of it and add perks on top of it.
>>332269989
>>332269892
They couldn't get the licensing for GURPS, and developed SPECIAL instead.
>>332270003
Well, yes, hence why i said it was heavily inspired by it. Kinda like 90% of fantasy today is inspired by Tolkien.
>>332269863
/r/ing the "I'm not like all the other girls" image.
>>332269989
Back to >>>/leddit/ with you.
>>332270050
Too slow>>332269863 got you covered
>>332267024
Pandering to fujos and gays
>>332269863
>waifu pandering
It can go down a bit yeah, but I'm that faggot that gets some guilty pleasure out of it.
>>332270089
No, no.
I want just the comic, without PIXELATED QUOTATIONS covering any of it.
What do you guys think of Square Enix? Do they make good RPG's, or are they part of the problem?
>>332267024
Bad Design
>>332269863
>Turn-based battles are considered boring now
Were they ever considered not boring?
>>332270307
I think that while eastern and western RPGs have common characteristics and issues, they also should be considered separate genres.
>>332269534
This is Obsidians work
>>332267024
People who buy bad games.
>>332270367
They were popularized when Pokemon Red and Blue came out and familiarized a new generation of gamers with them, but todays children are more likely to be into CoD.
>>332270430
Yes but I believe Bethesda had to license it. They could easily have decided to make another shit game like FO3 themselves. It's probably the only good decision Bethesda has made in more than a decade now.
>>332270495
The thing about turn based battles in rpg's is it means the game has to be a pure rpg it's pretty much all numbers and stats. Then they can't appeal to the action, shooter, adventure demographic.
Fallout 3, undeniably.
>>332270469
>2nd choice is science
It should be barter.
>>332269863
I never understood this picture. It's not their normal hair colour and plenty of things have bright colours in nature to attract others. Look at birds and flowers.
bioware
private equity firms
sjws
>>332270703
ANd plenty more have very bright colour to warn other they are poisonous or other negative traits. Kinda like the SJW crowd does with ridiculous hair and thick shit glasses.
>>332267024
I'm playing through Pillars of Eternity atm.
It's my first cRPG, but it's hella fun.
Afterwards I want to play BG series (played like 4 hours of BG2 when I was a kid). Should I play BG1? I hear people saying that it's not that good and even admit that nostalgia has a great value there.
But at the beginning of BG2 you start imprisoned.
And so shit must've hit the fan.
Also there are the same characters.
And game mechanics and spells (I guess?) so I would have easier time in BG2.
We're see a small resurgence from Obsidian, Larian, and others.
>>332267024
Dragons Age.
It implemented the
>no stats
>social justice themed stories
>with no option to chose
>dialogs reduced to "Yes/No/I dont know"
>every dialog is an annoying cutscene
>every mission is short and boring - you just kill mobs, no puzzles, no reading, no decisions
>MMORPG gearing style
>less and less classes
>>332270926
BG1 is still a good game
>>332270926
BG1 problem is mostly that low lvl D&D is kinda boring. You got few options, you die very easily and you have to rest very often since your cleric and wizard got almost no spell slots to use. BG1 imo is perfectly fine once you reach Baldur's Gate proper, since you'll be around lvl 5 and most of the growing pains will be gone. And some quest are awesome in there.
>>332267024
Bioware.In 1998.
>>332267104
So what made the RPG genre?
>>332270926
There are mods to combine the two. BG1 is very cliched but good, if a rough start due to the nature of the ruleset used (easy to get fucked up early on). I'd say it's worth playing through - it's enjoyable enough and it really sets the stage for BG2. There are just some rough edges. Be aware that the canon party in BG1 is Minsc, Dynaheir, Khalid, and Jaheira.
>>332267024
The fans.
>>332267024
When people decided to call Adventure games RPGs
>>332270972
you mean mass effect right?
dragon age is pretty much the complete opposite of what you are talking about
>>332270997
>>332271091
Ok
Id try it for myself anyway, but if I don't like it that much, is it alright to just find the story on the internet?
I know that I liked BG2, that little I played of it, but just to be sure.
>>332271195
>canon party
Isn't it like PoE, where if I'm not using party members as active, they are available at inn, but still considered story-related?
>>332269539
bg2 playthrough atm. fuck swords. my half orc fighter thief uses battleaxes. single wep style. crit forever.
>that red throwing axe with undead instagibbing at -4 save. with companion +3 bax both buyable from copper coronet.
>>332271306
They are not at the inn, they stay where you dismissed them or return to their starting spot. BG1 was almost 18 years ago.
And as far as canon party the story of 2 is based on you having that party composition, but outside that it's flexible. All the returnign companion act like you at least know each other. and travelled a bit.
>>332271306
2 is WAY better than 1, and yes, you don't have to play 1 to enjoy it, a plot summary will do.
>>332271306
There are more than a few party members who will be dead/go off on their own eventually if you don't pick them up, but others will just wait in the same spots for you. I can't recall the case for the canon members I mentioned, but BG2 assumes you have them at least by the end of BG1.
For example, there's an elven archer in BG1 who I met once, didn't care to recruit, and didn't meet again for the duration of the first game.
>>332270926
BG1 has a very nice soundtrack
>>332270972
bitch you better be talking about da2 and cisquisition.
origins was back-to-its-roots and made us hope real rpgs were coming back. da2 and dai crushed those tentative hopes
>>332271571
Bioware wasn't wrong to want to improve the combat side of things from DAO, but they threw out everything worthwhile about the series in the process. It seems to be a running theme of theirs, on top of their other clusterfucks.
>>332267024
Rise of FPS
EA,
Mass Effect
>>332270495
thing is a pokemon like battle system where turns happen relatively quickly AND are highly impactful (as in a pokemon can and quite often does get knocked out in about two turns) is fun
a final fantasy battle system where attacks take minutes and fighting bosses feels like taking down a wall with a toothpick on the other hand is ungodly boring
>>332271525
>Not taking Kivan
Kivan and Coran are the master duo.
BG1 is extremely kind to archer, and Coran got litterally freakish Dex and mastery, while Kivan is a murder machine with a composite bow.
If you want proof that bow dominate go to the bandit camp unprepared
>>332268925
>Had limited wrpg experience, due to no PC at the time
>Only played Fallout 3, NV and Skyrim
>never played Ultima before
>get the collection from GOG
>Start playing VII
>Even though it was a tad bothersome, it's fun using the cluebooks and lore books
>One of the best games I played
>Also dig IV, V and VI
>realize I've missed on a lot of great rpgs
Had a similar realization when I played the original Fallouts.
Wrpgs actually feltr like an adventure.
I'm currently having a blast with the Might and Magic series.
what happened to wrpgs is a tragedy.
>>332271884
>Kivan and Coran are the master duo.
T H I S
>>332271306
since you're playing old classics check out Neverwinternights 2 when you get the chance
>>332271571
>bitch
don't be so catty, you know damn well anon was referring to DA2 ->inquisition
>>332271682
EA killed that company. I still remember when two of the main directors of DAO quit Bioware right before EA looked at the money that the game managed to bring in. From then on they wanted more money, so they wanted DA2 to be aimed at the MA fans
>>332271319
also. I'm necromancer anon from the last few breads about bg
holy fuck I am prawning shit w my necro.horror is the shit.
>charname casts horror
>enemy party fail morale check
>running away in panic getting cut down one by one
>>332269732
Is golden not on ps2?
"with RPG elements"
JRPGs.
>>332271968
Oh and Minsc is also a competent archer. Not as good as them but Composite bow are always godly.
Am I the only one who found divinity original sin to be quite unfair at times?
>ten enemies
>they each get an extra turn
>my character with three allies
>each only have one turn
Dropped.
A lot of RPG's are kind of boring grindfest. Go kill a dozen rats bring back their tails, watch out for the angry goblin. Good job you spent 120 minutes walking to rat spawn area, using the weakest most boring weapon with no abilities, and managed to avoid getting killed by that angry goblin I might of mentioned, here is some XP and another worthless weapon. Oh now that you're level 3 maybe you should deal with these goblins, you knows you might get a weapon drop we color code them. Grey is worthless regular stuff. Blue is still worthless but it gets +insignificant effect, Green is still worthless if you didn't out level it and grey shit will be better than it once you grind up that next level, and purple the holy grail of loot that has no drop chance and you should probably just buy it from the DLC pack. Oh what's that you don't like DLC? What are you gonna do after the goblins half the game is cut out for you to rebuy as downloadable content. What you need a random quest? go deliver this thing here to this other quest giver that will have you do the exact same thing we might not of forgot to cut him out he'll send you to the DLC quest giver.
>>332272101
Minsc and ranged weaponry just feels wrong. I mean I gave him a sling out of necessity but I felt dirty doing it.
Best class for NWN expansions? Planning to use Deekin and Valen
>>332272312
Give him a Composite, you fool.
He's a ranger after all.
And obviously when people get close he get the sword out.
>>332272215
which fight is that? I dont recall anyone getting an extra turn ever,
remember that you roll initiative every round so while you may get fucked over and some enemy ends the round and immediately starts the next one, they still got the proper number of turns
>>332272328
Whatever you feel like using, to be quite honest family member
>>332272215
I think the problem with divinity was that it was too fair.
enemies are usually just as strong as you, and use items just like you would, potions, status arrows, grenades, even scrolls
>>332272312
throwing axe exists...
minsc is proficient with them.
>DoUEbinCharacterSheet.jpg
>>332272445
Someone told me to kill myself for considering a paladin in another thread
>>332272397
they took place in the dungeon with the crabs and those giant green mutants. the crabs gave me no problem and i wouldn't have raged if they had extra turns, but those mutants were just tough and couldn't keep whamming on my party in large numbers, especially two times in a roll
it was then that I decided that I just wasn't enjoying the game.
I knew what I got myself into since Divinity is more of a fight then story kind of game
Ah well, currently playing morrowind
>>332271982
>Neverwinternights 2
I don't really like the way these full-3D cRPGs look. I love PoE and BG2 becasue the pre-rendered isometric camera gives it a distinct feel.
I never played NWN2, so I'll try it out, but I don't know.
Also
If I go to BG series: EE or originals?
I'm asking about bugs and glitches, I don't care if there are mods that can make the game look better so EE is pointless.
I'm gonna be pirating both anyway.
>>332267024
The same thing that killed every genre
Mass appeal
Any other answer is objectively wrong
>>332267024
Cost, just like every other genre that's 'died'.
>>332267024
A or B?
>>332267024
human beings
i mean the answer to every "what killed ____" question is always human beings
do not forget
>>332272984
Whichever doesn't have real time with pause.
>>332267024
Obsidian games and retards who approved such approach
>no real choices
>linear as fuck
>sometimes there 2-3 endings(One good and one evil)
>Every their /v/ approved rpg, kotor2, motb, pillars of eternity
>>332273089
>doesn't have real time with pause.
Why?
It's the best way.
>>332273135
It's complete fucking garbage that is bad from both purely gameplay design and trying to emulate how tabletop games play.
>>332272550
kek, play whatever you want.
anons like that just think its their way or the highway
>>332272832
oh believe me I was exactly like you.
I actually thought NWN2 was an ugly game before I played it because it wasn't spriteful like BG
but considering the lack of good RPG 's in the market I bit my tongue and gave it a chance.
I was not disappointed. It still has the qualities of a good role playing experience, despite looking ugly
sorry, can't help you on which edition to go for since i only played the original BGs
but obviously if the EE has bug fixes go for that
Of any genre RPGs probably have the most potential but are very hard to execute. Many of them contain repetitious elements because the technology still can't do them justice.
The cool thing about RPGs is that they can almost be liek stepping into a simulation of a social/political world that tells a compelling human story while also having engaging strategic combat (or some other source of tension).
But to simulate this kind of interesting world you need to account for exponentially expanding branching possibilities, and frankly the computation is quite hard to pull off, let alone manually design.
RPGs end up braking down when you come up against the fakeness and hollwlowness of it and the illusion that you are seeing what it's to be some kind of character dispels.
Getting over this takes new technology. I'm not sure if No Man's Sky qualifies as an action rpg, but I would say it's engine could be an example of the way forward for RPGs.
.
This is a good rpg according to /v/
Just think about it
>>332273296
every time and in every thread. Here's your (you).
>>332272832
Jury's out on EE until Dragonspear is out, then we'll know if it's worth it or not. I believe a lot of key mods are compatible. There are some that are quite necessary, see gog's (slightly out of date) mod guide for a idea of what's going on.
>>332273296
MODULES
WHEN
>>332267024
Consoles.
>>332267024
Bioware selling to EA
Bethesda going full casual.
what are your thoughts on the tides of numenera game, anons?
>>332273432
See this and >>332273296
As examples of pc exclusives
>>332273210
Nah.
It's the best way.
If it was turn-based it would be slow, the combat wouldn't be so dynamic and engaging, and with so many enemies and party members, it would take forever to do anything.
If it was realtime with no pause, it would be too chaotic.
Pause is life, pause is love.
>>332273296
What is it?
NWN?
Also, what's wrong with it? Not everything has to be open to choice, there are moments when linearity is necessary.
>>332273374
>Jury's out on EE until Dragonspear is out,
I just googled it up and it shows that it's an in-development expansion?
I know that they are making a BG1.5 that should fill the events between BG1 and 2, is that it?
And why should it then affect the EE?
>>332272984
A holy fuck why would you ever not pick that? It's why we got games like Divinity: Original Sin and the Wizardry series.
>>332273524
>Positive yes
>Neutral yes
>Negative yes
I hate this shit so much.
>>332271982
>Neverwinternights
>Chronotrigger
>Darksouls
IT'S
TWO
FUCKING
WORDS
>>332273602
Never played wizardy, but let's be fair here
Divinity was garbage compared to the story driven rpg like MotB and PoE
>>332273727
No, fuck off.
>>332273264
I agree with your assessment of how a lot of games are set up and kind of hollow.
I disagree with technology limits, that sort of thing made classics like tetris and galaga the game would speed up and be more challenging when you cleared stuff off. Now a days the design is like it might run have you tried not buying a potatoe machine stop being poor and get the DLC while your at it.
>>332273517
I'm pretty hopeful. It's on them to make the gameplay fun, though.
>>332273578
If Dragonspear (BG1.5) is good, then it'll be worth getting the EEs. Otherwise, you might as well stick to the older versions with mods you know for sure will work with it.
>>332267024
people became legit retards. i'm not even joking, i used to spend hours in front of RTS games or RPGs or bullshit NES platformers. but today it seems "gamers" want something simple which won't challendge their minds/reflexes too much. Getting your reward instantly for no particular reason killed the genre
>>332273894
Well, as I said, I'm gonna pirate both.
I usually pirate a game, and if I like it, I buy it.
And then it's lying in my steam collection with 0 hours played.
But I usually buy games for less than 10bucks, because poor student.
>tfw can't wait to be earning money so that I don't have to think about buyng games and just buy whatever the fuck I want
>>332267024
Legit saveload abuse
>>332273076
I'll take What killed the dinosaurs for 300, Alex.
Do you agree with anon, anons?
>>332274587
No, he's fucking retarded.
>>332267024
cancerous fans became the devs
Fallout new vegas tbqh senpai
>>332267024
>What killed the RPG genre?
RPG has never been more popular than it is right now.
If you mean "what killed D&D games", then the answer is nobody wanting to play them.
EA, Bethesda, Blizzard, and BioWare's Infinity Engine.
>>332274762
>If you mean "what killed D&D games", then the answer is nobody wanting to play them.
You're mistaken. Licensing issues killed the hope of getting any good D&D games from the release of SoZ straight up to 2014 - nobody worth a shit could get the license for anything other than shitty spinoff games because Atari was sitting on it.
>>332274762
>RPG has never been more popular than it is right now.
But anon popular RPGs are RPGs in name only. Compare Fallout 4 to Fallout 2 or Mass Effect 3 to Mass Effect 1 or Dragon Age II to Baldur's Gate II or Final Fantasy XIII to Final Fantasy VI.
>>332267024
The casual/mainstream self insert crowd. Pretty much the people who eant to play as themselves but an ideal/perfect version of themselves bordering on supermanesque. They are a humongous portion of the vidyaing audience that shit was then mor tailor made for them since it is simply more profitable to do so.
>>332274720
>cancerous fans became the devs
Oh god it's been a long enough time that I'm sure this is what happened.
>>332274947
This, the market "killed" RPGs not any company.
>>332273424when you get off your ass and work on one
>>332274939
>Final Fantasy XIII to Final Fantasy VI.
XIII is arguably better solely for bothering to give a shit about its gameplay. Fuck VI, it's the reason the series is shit.
>>332274991
Oh yeah.
>>332274974
It's been happening for a long time, at least since BG2
>>332275032
Well? Come on, you living bucket of hot garbage, spin the cylinder, pull the trigger, andleave me disappointed like everyone else did.
>>332274939
>Fallout 4 is not an RPG
You create a fictional person to play as.
You can imply their values, character, profession, ability, goals.
You can choose how to approach problems and dialogues based on your idea of how your character is like.
You can build their skills and look in a way you want.
There is a menu based combat system that relies more on character ability than on player ability.
There is a central quest that runs throughout the game as a story line.
There are other minor story lines that are optional to complete along the main quest.
Not that an RPG needs all of these, as long as the game is about character ability checks (Fallout 4, despite its mouse aim, is about character ability to shoot rather than player ability to aim) rather than player ability checks (Counter Strike, despite its gun statistics, is about player ability to aim) your game is an RPG.
RPG = character ability trumps player ability, and the player is tested in their knowledge on how to build a strong character rather than their knowledge on how to fight well.
Fallout 4 is an RPG.
>>332267024
I'd say the general mindset of gameplay>story/character elements brought upon by FPS and console kiddies. Also the quest for better numbers in the character sheet that is MMORPG didn't exactly help either. Fuck narrative.
>>332275125
I'm gonna play through every NWN1 campaign again, at least.And you think you're disappointed.
>>332275125I told you that I am not starting some village in front of a castle, making the inn, farm, mill and houses, populating it, adding basic dialogues and a quest to clear the wolf den, unless you can rally up enough people to do something big together.I've done enough of starting a project, getting bored of it and quitting because there is nobody else contributing to keep me from just taking the easy way and playing vidya instead.As a creator I can only work as part of a team, I cant be arsed to do solo work, I need to be contributing to a larger greater good project.
>>332275178
>You create a fictional person to play as.
False, you are either a veteran or a lawyer. Here is your child, you love him and your wife/husband.
>You can imply their values
False, you hate newspapers.
>You can choose how to approach problems and dialogues based on your idea of how your character is like
Catastrophically false on every frontIt's still an RPG though
>>332275285
>I cant be arsed to do solo work, I need to be contributing to a larger greater good project.
WE'VE GOT A COMMIE HERE!
A FUCKING RED ONE, GUYS!
>>332275314
>RED
EXTERMINATE
>>332275178
In the same way far cry, arkham et al are RPGs
>>332275285I know, Anon, I'm very much the same way. My most productive I've ever been was working on homebrew settings on Bizarro /tg/, just because I had other people to read it and go "hey, that's cool!" I wouldn't expect anyone to do more work than they felt comfortable doing on the off chance that it leads to something interesting somewhere down the line, especially with a game and sommunity as old and withered as NWN. Honestly, I've been thinking about just cracking open RPGM and having a go at that with my ideas ever since I realized that more people might actually see the idea/project come to fruition.
>>332275287
I guess the Witcher series is not about RPGs then.
>>332275287
It's superfluous to the story. See above for logic re. a game dev doesn't have to give you an option for literally every little thing you can think of, just because they didn't include some arbitrary choice you wanted doesn't mean there's no choice at all.
>>332275287
>>332275451
In TW3 you have much, MUCH less freedom on what character you are playing. Your job, opinions and past are set in stone.
Fallout 4 has tremendously more freedom on that graph, only limiting you on what your last job was, and that you have a child that you love.
>>332275285
>Started off doing solo projects
>Other people take notice and ask for advice on theirs
>Get in the habit of working on other people's work instead of my own
>Get comfortable and stop working on my own stuff altogether
>Other people's projects either fail while I'm not looking or they disappear and I never hear from them again
>End up stuck with myself until many years later when I get the motivation to work on my own stuff
>Repeat
There can be no hope in this hell.
No hope at all.
>>332267024
The same thing that happened to RTS - it's a niche genre in an ever expanding market. Companies aren't going to devote time and money on a product that most people aren't going to play. It's basic capitalism.
Luckily we're having a golden age of independent game makers, so there's a small stable of indy or just small developers trying to fill that void.
>>332275517
>multiple people complaining that they cant work alone
>they only manage to progress as part of a team
>they still wont team up to do anything and will just continue bitching and moaning
video games
>>332275369
Red's a waifu, though.
>>332275517
>the pic
too real bruh
>>332275598
>listening to Red humming the soundtrack
So comfy.
>>332275598
>Red
BEHEAD THE THAYAN CUR
>>332268463
What is:
>Baulder's Gate
>Diablo/Diablo 2
>Dragon Age: Origins
>Morrowind/Oblivion
>Everquest
>Deus Ex
>System Shock
>Thief
Care to not be a shitter?
>>332267024
Casualization and unwillingness to innovate in equal measures. There is no market for classic RPGs nowadays so devs either try to dumb it down fiercely or just copy what an old one did and never reach its heights.
>>332275659
You came to the wrong abandoned temple, adventurer.
>>332275125
>>332275285
HEY
HEY FUCKERSI still have a comfy snow town with inn, mill, temple, harbor, barracks, blacksmith and people wearing red. If you want to get together and collaborate on something more elaborate you're fucking welcome.
>>332275569
And yet working together is a trap in of itself.
I know how this goes, this ain't my first rodeo.It won't be my last.
>>332268463
Why are the people suggesting we "read a fucking book" always the type who probably read less books than us?
I love WRPGs, yet I have to fit my books in boxes to put in the attic since they take too much room.
>>332267024
>let's make an RPG
>what is our target audience
>people who don't like RPGs
>>332267024
World of Warcraft
>>332275178
The issue is that if we just go by the acronym then even most CoD games are RPG's, you play the role of a soldier in most of them.
Why people bitch about fallout 4 as not being an RPG is that you are given a character with a solid background and there is very little room for changing
>you are a father/mother you love your child
>you are a soldier/lawyer
>you have no choice in how to solve issues because for some reason the dialogue seems to often boil down to (Yes, Yes, Yes or Yes)
>the game relies a lot of player skill, the combat is actually fun for the first time in series, at the cost of everything else apparently
>having a main quest and side objectives does not make something an RPG
>(Fallout 4, despite its mouse aim, is about character ability to shoot rather than player ability to aim)
No, compare fallout 4 with deus ex 1 and you will see, one is a game that is based on your character ability and ones is a game based on your ability as a player.
RPG's are about player choice, but you have very little choice in fallout 4
There are mandatory boss fights against people you have no reason to fight, the main quest is a goddamn mess that's even worse than fallout 3
You are unable to provide information to other NPCs or ask for crucial bits of information simply because you are limited to 4 responses per dialogue tree.
Your character is emotional about the main quest and you have no say in the matter.
Your characters past and profession is clearly stated
Really though it just boils down to the fact that too often you have no real choice in anything, you are given 4 conversation options which are
a) Willing yes
b) Reluctant yes
c) Sarcastic yes
d) Angry yes
>>332275675
>Oblivion is now considered some sort of "classic" old-school game
Looking forward to when Skyrim and Fallout 4 are labelled like that.
>>332275771
It wont be a rodeo at all unless you rally the crew and set some basic common goals.
I am talking clean checklist, a big main quest divided into several very focused side objectives.
This guy has to create a map for a small settlement with X, Y and Z buildings in a such and such biom, that other guy has to create the internals for them, the third guy to write some babbys first quests and dialogues, and then combine voltron together.
Get a Steam chat going, a thread on /v/. Cant have a party without a leader. Either be the PC or die an irrelevant NPC.
Short action games pretending they're RPGs is what killed RPGs. First time I encountered it was that one shitty game on the Xbox (Sudeki was it)? Fable is another good example.
After games like these, RPGs just got less like RPGs, and more like action games. These days we'll call anything with "hp" or "exp" on it a RPG when most of the time they're some kind of action game with almost no real RPG elements. Fallout 4 is a great example.
>>332275509
>opinions
They are not and thats the key difference.
You are allowed a lot of freedom in terms of what geralt thinks of the world around him and how he responds to what people tell him to do.
>>332275718
BURN PURGE KILL
...but I have to admit those robes look stylin' as fuck
>>332275769
Fuck it, maybe people will actually show more interest if we just get it rolling.
How would you assholes interested prefer we do this? It's not that hard to throw up a Discord chat or something for now, since I still don't think there's enough interest to sustain a general.
>>332275883
>CoD is an RPG
Stopped reading right there.
The rule is very, very simple. When it comes time to do some sort of battle, or unlock a chest, or disarm a trap, or climb a wall, etc, a skill check is performed.
If it checks the player's ability, its not an RPG. If it checks the character's ability, its an RPG.
Call of Duty checks player ability much, much, MUCH more often than character ability.
A better player with worse items and perks will be at an advantage against a worse player with better items and perks.
This isnt necessarily the case in Fallout 4, if it had PvP. VATS is a character check. Unlocking is a character check. Crafting is a character check. Even hacking, which has a player check component, also requires a character check to do.
It is very distinctly an RPG, since it tests your character's abilities all the time, and your player abilities very rarely. The player check here is only to build a good character, avoid things your character is bad at and seek things your character is good at. Typical RPG.
Deep dialogues are NOT a staple of RPGs. We've always had dungeon craws with barely any talking, and they were always considered RPGs.
>>332275923
>action RPGs don't exist
>"True" RPGs are visual novels with some stat management
>>332275962
Yeah that's the point of The Witcher. You roleplay a very specific Witcher and his adventures. Unlike Fallout 4 however Witcher leaves a lot more room on how to solve quests, how to interact with NPCs and how the world changes because of it.
The point is that older Fallout games let you be an actual blank canvas, not weighing you down with the whole parent/son and lawyer/soldier trope.
>>332268463
>Being this retarded
Western RPGs still have the potential of being great. Stop playing the ones produced by cuckold SJW companies pandering to queers and feminists like DA:Inquisition and play a masculine game by glorious Polish company CDPRed
The industry is saturated with shit now but look for quality instead of quantity and you might find something still worth playing. The Witcher trilogy has been one of the best trilogies not only in the RPG genre but in the gaming industry to date.
>>332276138
If you want to call it an action RPG, then call it a fucking action RPG. Don't call it a RPG because they are clearly two very different genres.
>>332276138
>"True" RPGs are visual novels with some stat management
If you mean true RPG elements come from dialogue and character building then you are indeed correct.
>>332276137
You really shouldn't make a habit of responding to one half a sentence. CoD not being an RPG was the point I made.
>>332276153
It's not a roleplaying game if you're given a fixed role. Fallout 4 is more of an RPG than the witcher is.
>>332275962
>You are allowed a lot of freedom in terms of what geralt thinks of the world around him and how he responds to what people tell him to do.
Less so than in Fallout 4. Geralt is a very defined character.
You cant be racist towards elves, the most basic RPG trope. Geralt just likes them, even if the player doesnt.
You cant be a cruel psychopath, Geralt just gravitates towards being the knight in sour armor, doing good things while bitching about it.
In Fallout 4 you can choose what weapons to specialize in, in The Witcher 3 you cant.
In FO4 you can choose what companions to take with you, in TW3 you cant.
In FO4 you can side with this or that faction, in TW3 you cant.
In FO4 you can be a sneaky thief, a cold sniper, a mad melee fighter, a practiced assault rifle soldier, a balls of steel shotgun expert, a giggly explosives master, while in TW3 you can only be Geralt, witcher.
because they stopped being wizardry, M&M, goldbox d&d, and ultima underworld and started being final fantasy with ugly women
screencap this post. get it tattooed somewhere on your flabby body. remind yourself where your bloodline failed
>>332276318
That's not even remotely true
>>332269534
FO4 won't get its new Vegas, will it?
>>332272896
So making the games more acceptable killed the market?
>>332275009
>Fuck VI, it's the reason the series is shit.
Stagnation, even obshitian can produce anything that isn't cloned kickestarter games that look like they were made 20 years ago.
>>332276094
I don't have much of a preference as long as it gets shit going. Setting up a chat to get the basics settled and find a way to organize work seems like the best option for now. Maybe make a thread about it to see if more people are interested in a mod/v/le once we have a functional start to show off and build on.
>>332276153
In The Witcher 3 the outcome of fights, quests and overall every activity relies more on player ability than on character ability. The game tests the player, not the character. It is possible, and likely, that the player will fail where Geralt would as a character would succeed, or succeed where Geralt as a character would fail.
Its not an RPG.
>>332276206
>open world action game
>rpg
Nice joke.
>>332267024
kids not like turn based rpg battles, and lack of exploring, I blame FF 13 and 10 for this.
>>332267024
Shit gameplay, bugs and incompetent developers
People that don't like video games make video games now.
This isn't new. Nintendo never should have saved gaming. I'm curious what the world would be like with out it
>>332276375
They died when they stopped being shit?
>>332276352
>Less so than in Fallout 4. Geralt is a very defined character.
Explicitly more so
>are you upset at Letho for framing you?
Literally up to the player.
>are you upset at kellogs for stealing ur baby?
Literally 4 choices that all say "I'll kill you"
>>332276536
/r9k/ tier posters like you would be playing magic the gathering and complain because kids can best them at their own game.
>>332276420
Reading the thread there are three of us. Lets get SOME work done, and we can make a thread wit screenshots to show it.
I am at the office right now, I can join in roughly 7 hours time.
Until then I can sneak into the chat to help setup things and get moving.
Example: faction A won a war against faction B. The player was a mercenary and now that the war is over has no job, or is a refugee that lost their home. They enter a pillaged settlement of faction B. There are some burning houses, and a castle that is now being repaired, hosting faction A's garrison. You enter the settlement and get some basic tasks done, for both the locals and the garrison, and can choose which side to join at the end.
We would need the village map, the castle map, and the interiors for basic buildings.
>FO4 guy with two MotB caps is here again
Can you stop
>>332275285
>>332275769
>>332276420
Alright then, asswagons and any of you guys who are either still working on/gave up on your homework and are in here, get in here so we can begin the short road to drama meltdown town.discord.gg/0um7ZwPpnHmKoNiW
>>332276407
>implying that VI didn't mark the exact point where Square went "Gameplay? Who cares?" that defines modern FF
>>332276626
I was talking more like how the entertainment industry as a whole would turn out and mtg is garbage
>>332276635
I havent used that software before, is it safe to download on my work PC at the office?
Any bloat, conflicts with skype, constant warnings or such? Does it hog typical HTTP/Apache ports?
>>332276318
>>332276435
?????
Just because Geralt exists as a predefined character within the lore and the games in whatever way you play them may differ from official canon doesn't make it any less of a role. The moment you boot up the game there is always a certain degree of player freedom when modeling his own Geralt, all of it is just funneled through a specific backstory with specific ties to the world.
You always have choices of getting involved in justice and politics or just doing your job and getting paid.
>>332276749
About as worksafe as 4chan, I guess. Pretty light, haven't had any issues with it thus far. Basically replaced Skype for me for non-normies chat.
Consoles and the multiplatform trap. Like everything else
>>332276854
Alright, I'll be in there in 30 minutes, need to pretend to work for a moment.
>>332276937
Worth noting, that link will take you to a browser-based version of the client.
>>332276817
The game is a test on the player, not on the character.
Combat isnt about how you built your character to be good at swords or magic, its about how good YOU, the player, are at fighting.
It is an action game, testing the player's ability, not the character's ability.
RPGs are about the player building a character, and that character's ability being tested by the game.
>>332276435
>In The Witcher 3 the outcome of fights, quests and overall every activity relies more on player ability than on character ability
Are you out of your fucking mind?
Go try to kill some level 20 enemies with a level 1 geralt. It will take you literal years of poking at it at the edge of its agro box to kill one.
If anything one of TW3's main issues is how absurdly hard it is to kill things that are above your level and how little reward there is for doing so
>>332276817
C'mon, there is never any difference in Geralt at all. Making different choices hardly feels like you're making any choices at all.
>>332275675
lol
>>332267024
AH FUCK
I JUST REALISED HE'S HOLDING A HAMSTER
>>332276996
Go and try to kill some level 20 enemies with a level 1 hero in Baldurs Gate or Neverwinter Nights.
Thats how RPGs work. In TW3 you actually CAN kill that monster, even though your character shouldnt be able to.
The players superior ability carries the day, despite the character ability being too low. Thats not RPG. Its action.
Full voice acting and the fact that every RPG now has to be an action RPG.
>>332275675
I love baulder's gate
>>332277090
>you actually CAN kill that monst
Only by cheesing the AI and making it walk away from you after every hit.
You are out of your mind if you think TW3 is about player skill a la DMC as opposed to character ability.
Casuals
When "RPG" turned into "Action game with some numbers".
Name one good RPG made for consoles that isn't Fable 1
Any thoughts on age of decadence?
Sounds pretty cool and hardcore according to their own description and its on sale right now but I'm not convinced it will be "fun".
