Will there ever be a console this great again?
Wii UJust kidding.
>>332262406
the console itself wasnt that great. the library was. xbox and gamecube were better consoles.
and no we wont. games are more expensive to make, the safe way to make money is with generic games with lots of advertisements, and literal tricks and misdirection to make extra money.
also a lot of games being made at that time was related to the big japanese boom of the 80s-00s. japanese shit is not nearly as cool with the generation that followed ours.
The Wii sold more so it was better
>>332262406
3DS had a shot
>>332263375
>generic games with lots of advertisements, and literal tricks and misdirection to make extra money.
Yeah PS2 games had none of these, only 90s kids get this XD
>>332263483
>ironic shitposting
But yeah PS2 games definitely did not have heavily advertised games split up into chunks with season passes and microtransactions.
fucking idiot.
>>332262406
No, there won't, and I'm not saying that because of any bias. The "console experience" peaked with the PS2. Huge library of great games. No need for patches. No Season Pass type stuff. Local multiplayer still widely supported
>>332263709
But it was filled with tricks and misdirection.
Alongside the Wii it had an incredible amount of shovelware that did as such.
Anyway to answer OPs question the only other system to match it was the DS.
>>332263450
LEL
>>332263847
shovelware has always existed and always will.
thats not misdirection. its a failure.
DS
>>332263998
You do know how shovelware works right?
Churn out something shit yet cheap and make it look like something people would want.
That is clear misdirection.
>>332262406
No because you're no longer a child/teenage, you have responsibility calling for your attention. It was fun while it lasted.
>>332263998
>Shovelware
>Always bad
Ok, i know that the real meaning of Shovelware is something bad made only for profits, but we had a lot of tie Ins and "lets try to make some buck" that turned extremelly well. Spider man 2, for instance.
The good /bad games proportion Still pretty much the same, but with a library 30x larger, we would get 30x more better games
>>332264394
Tie ins aren't necessarily shovelware.
>>332262406
PS4
I'm completely serious. Has all the lower budget Japanese games that were loved on the PS2 and has big budget Japanese games as well. Along with western exclusives like Ratchet and Clank.
>>332264741
>>332264741
>Has all the lower budget Japanese games that were loved on the PS2 and has big budget Japanese games as well. Along with western exclusives like Ratchet and Clank.
The problem is that they aren't anywhere near the quality of their predecessors.
>>332264875
That's just your nostalgia goggles talking.
>>332264741
The PS4 can be better than the PS3 was. This year will tell, but it won't be better than the PS2 was.
>>332264930
You'd have a point if I didn't pick up a PS2 three years ago.
>>332262406
Funny how nobody cared how much weaker it was compared to the Xbox. Now it's all about power
>>332264970
The PS4's first 2-3 years are far better than the PS3's first 2-3 years by a long shot.
The PS4s future also looks far brighter than the PS3s ever did.
Top 5 consoles of all time:
1. Saturn
2. Master System
3. Mega Drive
4. PC Engine
5. Playstation
>>332265038
The PS2 is an example of why well designed games and gameplay are better than everything else
>>332265038
It was also much weaker than the Gamecube and Dreamcast.
>>332262406
Yeah, it's called PS4
>>332265103
I agree. As a big JRPG fan, this year and the next has me very excited
I give my PS2 a hug every morning.
>>332265129
Too bad most companies have forgotten that and tend to just go all out on graphics.
Video games have essentially become fancy shovelware.
>>332265110
You're entitled to your opinion, but that's a pretty fucked up list, senpai.
>>332265218
What is the appeal of JRPGs? They take no skill whatsoever.
>>332265218
Same, sadly these JRPGs nowadays get referred to as weebshit and no one ever decides to give them a chance. I'm looking forward to Atelier Sophie, Star Ocean 5 and FF XV a lot.
>>332265302
Why? What would your list be?
I miss the days where JRPGs were more varied.
>>332265461
They still are but they're dismissed as weebshit now
>>332265431
1. NES
2. Genesis
3. SNES
4. PS2
5. N64
>>332265520
Nah, there's still a large chunk that have been lost over the years.
>>332265378
Those 3, plus Persona 5, Kingdom Hearts 3 (not this year, I know), Grand Kingdom, Dragon Quest XI and if you include japanese action rpgs, Ni-Oh, Nier 2 and Odin Sphere Leifthrasir. Vanillaware is also making a new title that will most likely be an RPG
>>332265616
I don't know what more you could want, this year has Star Ocean 5, Atelier Sophie, FF XV, Nier Automata, Dark Souls 3, Grand Kingdom, Nights of Azure, Dragon Quest 7 and 8 3ds, 7th Dragon on 3ds, Trillion God of Destruction, exist Archive. JRPGs are fine but people refuse to try anything.
>>332265551
>1. NES
Basically an inferior Master System. Poor library, poor hardware. Only 30 year old Americans seem to like it.
>2. Genesis
Don't know this one.
>3. SNES
Awful CPU, poor library full of rehashes, kiddy platformers, and RPGs.
>4. PS2
Library of RPGs and movies. Perfect for casuals.
>5. N64
No good games, should have used CD ROMs.
>>332263375
Consoles are defined by their libraries and the ps2 still is the best console library-wise. I'd much rather own a high tier pc and a ps2 than a shit tier pc and a current gen console.
>>332265804
>Don't know this one.
Jesus christ, really dude? I know it wasn't called that everywhere but how do you not know the most popular name for the console
>>332265917
Most popular? I looked it up and it is what only North America called the Mega Drive. Meanwhile every other country used the original name.
>>332265728
Sadly I don't think we'll be seeing Vanillawares game 13 Sentinels anytime this year. I'm hoping Dungeon Travelers 2-2 gets released in Japan sometime soon and Atlus US picks it up. I loved the first one.
>>332265917
>but how do you not know the most popular name for the console
Dude, literally every other country called it the Mega Drive.
It's literally the console version of the whole Football/Soccer thing
>>332265551
> 1. NES
99% of its games are 2D sidescrollers with shitty mechanics and artificial difficulty because Nintendo had to make up for the fact that the US told them to get fucked when they tried to outlaw game rentals
> 2. Genesis
GOAT.
> 3. SNES
Decent 1st party exclusives and excellent JRPG library, inferior multi-plats and bog slow CPU
> 4. PS2
The best console library ever released. Super easy to softmod these days as well.
> 5. N64
Garbage controller, nogaems (every "best N64 games" poll has the same five games mentioned), godawful memory issue meant all textures were blurrier than bigfoot covered in vaseline, retardedly expensive games, shitty audio and no VA due to using carts
>>332265353
they're mindless fun and the stories are usually cliche and easy to follow. no one said their selling point was ever to be challenging. i usually play them when i weed lmao
>>332266084
America is the biggest presence on this site and others, is this really the first time you have ever heard of that name?
>>332266030
I actually don't own a Vita. I probably should, given how much I like the genre of most of the games it has. Trillion looks interesting and I'd like to get the plus versions of the Atelier games. Portable Dragon's Crown sounds awesome. Damn, I really wonder why I haven't gotten a Vita yet now
>>332266256
Of course not, but Genesis wasn't the most popular name for it if only America used it.
>>332266256
It's the first time for me.
>>332262406
PS4 is the modern Equivalent.
Shame its already been replaced with VR 4K Gimmick that the shitty CPU/APU could never keep up with
Does sony realize VR needs 90-120fps/hz Minimum at 2K? How the fuck are they going to do that when the majority of their games are 1080p at 30fps
Unless they put a beefy CPU and GPU (like a 390 or upwards) and charge $1000 for the PS4.5 i doubt it
>>332264741
>I'm completely serious
>>332266463
The next several years are going to be very interesting for gaming
>>332266272
I love my vita. Shame everyone shits on the console so much, it's a fantastic little device with plenty of games to choose from.
Easy.
Xbox One.
>>332266463
The PSVR has its own hardware. The games aren't going to look like normal games. When you have depth perception in games you don't need really good graphics
>>332265889
Don't forget, PS2 games are cheap as shit right now. You can easily get a library of the best games for <$100.
>tfw SotC for $5 at a thrift shop
>>332266463
>PS4 is the modern Equivalent.
Far, far from it.
The 3DS has a library that's closer and that's saying something.
>>332266806
>You can easily get a library of the best games for <$100
You can get a decent amount of the best games for under $100, but getting all of the best ones is going to cost you quite a bit more than that
>>332266806
>>332267030
sotc shouldn't be more than 20usd
>>332267170
SOTC shouldn't even be bought on PS2 when the objectively superior PS3 version exists
>>332262406
>Buy a game
>come home
>turn it on and put the disc in
>no online subscriptions
>couch co-op with no online multiplayer
>no patches
>no DLC
>just a fucking tv, console and game ready to play
>>332262406
I still love mine. Loaded up my tiny 40 GB HDD with all 3 Ace Combat games.
I emulate some of the games here and there.
PS2 was the last bastion before DLC fests, you actually have to UNLOCK stuff on ps2 games.
>>332267170
There are a lot of great games that you can get for around the $20 mark and even cheaper, but just God Hand and Xenosaga Episode 3 puts you over $100. Luckily games like that are in the minority, though
>>332266806
If you're buying sports games maybe
I seriously can't think of a single horror game or JRPG that isn't under $10 except for the PS2 Re4 which might as well be worthless
>>332267386
Just like every console before that.
>>332267506
I got DmC 1 and 3 for $10 combined at a thrift store. Where are you shopping?
I can't believe almost, if not complete backwards compatibility hasn't been mentioned
>>332264970
PS3 was really, really bad.
It was basically sony playing catch up for 5 years.
>>332268149
Because that would mean that the console closest to it has to be a Nintendo console and you know how people here feel about Nintendo.
>>332265804
>>332266158
>no good games
>every best n64 games poll has the same five games
And? How does that make the entire library inferior? That means there are objective best titles on the system, just like nearly every other console ever released. And in the N64's case, nearly the entire generations' top game list is for the 64 rather than PS and Saturn. Besides maybe FFVII, the rest of the non 64 games in the late 90s are largely irrelevant.
>>332268546
Just because e-celebs say Mario and Zelda are the best games of the generation doesn't make it true.
I miss the Dualshock 2s shoulder buttons. Can't stand the triggers on the PS3 or PS4 controllers. PS4 triggers are better, but I'd still prefer just a button
>>332262406
what a shitty render
>tfw got the three onimusha games for 5 bucks each
>tfw I missed on these back in the day and they are fucking amazing
>tfw there will never be another onimusha game ever again
>>332267225
I think the PS3 version fucks with the grip mechanics. I swear Wander gets shaken around a lot more on the HD version.
>>332270030
He already gets the shit shaken out of him on the PS2 version. Does he really shake more on the HD version?
>>332268546
I can still name all the games I'd get an N64 for. I had a PS2 for years, and after I got into video games more as I got older. I still found games that were good that I've never even heard of.
>>332269689
There is a 4th onimusha game as well a tactics game and smash style game as well
>>332270030
the HD version is based on the PAL version. The NTSC version had grip on easy mode. longer grip and less stumbling
The PS2 is a piece of shit hardware wise. As for games, yes it got a lot of good games. Hilarious enough they always looked and played better on other platforms if they were multiplats.
>>332262406
no. video games officially died when the PS3 was announced.
>>332270574
The PS2 had the best controller for pretty much any game during its gen so playing multiplats on it was still worth it
>>332270631
Not when the 360 a as announced
>>332270682
the 360 shouldn't have even existed. the XBox should have died and microsoft never gets to touch video games again.
>>332270843
this
>>332270896
Thanks senpai.
>>332266331
Get your facts straight before you atempt to argue.
>>332266573
Not really. VR is a goign to be like the 3D TV fad and flop. It's too expensive to start with. You have a moniter strapped to your head and are basically using a shitty Wiimote waggle.
Everyone hated the waggle, so it's not going to come back undeveloped and work right for VR.
>>332263375
>the big japanese boom of the 80s-00s
Japan has been in a chronic recession since 1989. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>332271082
Says the person that doesn't know that it was called the Mega Drive everywhere but America.
>>332262406
Man, I was so behind the generations for so long. I never had an n64 or ps1 for years. Just a gameboy and gbc. I should also note i had always lived with my mom and didnt know my real dad.
One day he contacts mom and asks if i want to visit him. I go meet him and his wife and two other kids. Hes kinda fat with glasses, soft spoken and really laid back. We just hang out and watch tv, or i wander off and watch his sk8aterboi son play counterstrike. All in all i couldnt really connect with him. I just accepted that we both had lived seperate lives and probably werent going to be friends.
Then one day close to christmas, he picks me up from my grandparents house, and takes me to wal-mart, asks me about a console, ends up buying me a ps2.
I got so much use out of that system and played so many good games on it. Even if we never ended up talking much after that itll always remind me of my dad.
>>332268546
If you ask 100 different people what the best PS2 game is you'll probably get at least 50 different answers.
If you ask 100 different people what the best N64 game is you'll get five different answers.
This is because the N64 library is shit. It's less than a dozen good games surrounded by shovelware and inferior multiplats.
>>332268316
I owned a PS3 since launch and can confirm this. I remember when Sony's "answer" to XBL came in the form of playstation network in 2008 or so, TWO YEARS after the console launched. I think before that you literally had system accounts as friends.
And don't get me started on how much of a bitch online gaming was before in-game XMB. You literally had to quit your game to read or create messages.
The PS3 was a disaster and was in no way a viable system until 2009 or so. Meanwhile, 360 users had been enjoying the all the amenities of a 7th gen console since 2005.
The entire experience kind of turned me off consoles in general. While Microsoft having their shit together is nice, paying $10/month for a barebones experience is not something I relish.
>>332262406
> Get PS2 fat
> Get memory card
> Get Network Adapter
> Get USB stick
> Get old IDE hard drive
> Softmod PS2 for free with no mod chip
> Hook PS2 up to your home network
> Download PS2 .isos
> FTP them to hard drive installed in PS2
> Get the best library in videogame history for free
> Get a fullblown standard def media player as well
The PS2 is the best value proposition available, you can put together a softmodded system for less than $50 for everything and get literally years of gameplay. Not only that, but you can play burned PS1 games, or a shitload of emulators or homebrew as well. You can also throw some movies or music on a USB stick or transfer them to the hard drive and have a cool little media box for a spare TV. The best part is that you can do all of this even if the PS2's lens doesn't work any more.
Seriously people, softmod your PS2s. It's more than worth it.
>>332271082
Australia
Japan
Europe
Brazil
India
All Mega Drive
The only places where it had a different name were America and Korea and Korea didn't even use Genesis or Mega Drive.
Get your facts straight before you "atempt" to argue.
>>332271690
I'd softmod mine but I need to grab some new controllers for the thing before I do.
>>332271201
american obsession with japanese media
>>332271927
The Genesis sold more units in North America than it did in every other region combined.
North America was its most important market, so the North American name is the one we use. We're sorry you were confused.
>>332271602
>buying consoles at launch
I bought a PS3 right when PS4 came out, it turned out to be so good that my passion for vidya was reignited.
Nostalgiafaggotry aside, it's probably my favourite console.
>>332271690
Emulation on PS2 isn't really that reliable though.
>>332266158
>no games
>Banjo Kazooie + Tooie
>Conker's Bad Fur Day
>Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
>Goldeneye (aged horribly but was fantastic at the time)
>Perfect Dark (see above)
>Mario Kart 64 (still holds up as one of the best MK games)
>Donkey Kong 64
>Super Smash Bros. (overshadowed by Melee soon after, but was GOAT at the time)
>Paper Mario
>Zelda OoT (tops best game of all time lists often, overrated IMO but undeniably fantastic)
>Zelda MM (my personal all-time favorite game)
>Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
>Kirby the Crystal Shards
>Super Mario 64
And I'm sure I'm missing a few. You're judging it by modern standards, and of course it had its share of flaws, but the N64 circa 2000 was an amazing system for its time. As a big Pokemon fan at the time, getting the "definitive" Pokemon experience with Stadiums I and II was also a big plus for me, and the Mario Party games made for some of the funnest couch multiplayer memories I have.
>>332272148
The "smart move" is to be a PC gamer first and foremost, because outside of occasional abortions like Arkham Knight it gets the best versions of multiplats.
Then, after a console has been out for a few years and has had significant price drops you buy it and then pick up its best exclusives now that they have become dirt cheap.
>>332272148
I guess I wasn't clear enough, but it wasn't an entirely bad experience. Once the system really hit its stride around 2009, I started to get much more enjoyment out of it. But the first 3 years were full of bitter regret that I didn't get a 360.
>>332272189
The PS2 isn't very powerful compared to modern consoles, but at 300MHz and with 32MB of RAM it's fast enough to accurately play Genesis and older as well as some SNES games.
>>332272323
exactly this
>>332272356
why not just play on your PC?
>>332272207
You listed fifteen games.
I'd hit character limit on five posts before I even got partway through the list of awesome PS2 games.
The N64 had a shitty library, accept it. It was even worse during its heyday since the console literally launched in the US with two games (Mario 64 and Pilotwings) and didn't get any more for months afterward. Then you had to wait months in between games at times. The N64 literally defined the term "software drought".
>>332272450
>peeeceee
Reddit pls go
No. It was the right console at the right time, and it's library was developed by the right people at the right time. It got that sweet spot where games where in the middle ground between the dream of a young programmer in a basement and a corporate piece of shit with giant budget.
PS2 games had money on them but at the same time more creative freedom. Videogame industry will never again recover from the economic boom the PS2 presented for it and transformed it into a billion dollar money jew machine looking for optimal profits and deadlines.
If you need an example think about RE4 and how, despite being the best game in the series, is the one that fucked RE forever
>>332272450
>why not just play on your PC?
Because I got a PS3 when I was like 12. My PC at the time was from the year 2000 and could barely run Warcraft 3 and flash games, but I had no intention of upgrading at the time so long as I could still use it for school assignments.
Such is the life of a console plebe. (I have since seen the error of my ways.)
>>332272148
How does it feel to be poor and not loved?
>>332273126
Please stop being soaccurate
>>332272189
When will this meme end? There is literally nothing wrong with PS2 emulation unless you're running a literal toaster PC from the Half-Life 2 era.
>>332262406
>ps2
>greatest
kek
The only thing it's greatest at is quantity of nostalgia, because it was the console of choice of thrifty families and parents who just got what there was more of on the shelf
Yeah, last generation.
>>332263375
>tfw if Nintendo handn't designed the GameCube to be lightweight and portable and actually used DVDs instead of mini-discs it would have easily been the best console on a hardware level
>>332273637
>Kinect: the console
>>332273308
Hello
I love you
>>332273632
>buttblasted nintendrone
>>332273661
>it would have easily been the best console on a hardware level
It probably would have taken a pretty big hit if that were to happen. I mean even though the PS2 sold gangbusters it was the weakest of the three and the multiplats fared horribly in most cases.
>>332273661
>implying it would have been more powerful than the almighty xbox huge
>>332273858
>>it was the weakest of the three
You don't know shit about computer hardware
>>332273957
Yeah because it didn't get the glitchiest multiplats that ran lower than 20fps on a regular basis.
>>332273957
The proof is in the vidya anon
Pic related is a late first party exclusive, not as good as random gamecube or xbox graphics.
>>332264741
>Has all the lower budget Japanese games that were loved on the PS2 and has big budget Japanese games as well.
Such as? I'm seriously curious.
>>332264741
>Has all the lower budget Japanese games that were loved on the PS2
Absolutely not
>b-but one edf game!!!
Call me when the PS4 has a library of several hundred cheapo games nobody's ever heard of you can buy $10 each new on amazon.
>>332274478
>we'll never get the .hack series on the PS4
>>332265129
Consoles like NES and Wii were weaker than their competitors but it was easy to make games on them and Wii was cheaper. PS2 not only was expensive at its launch - and later more expensive than its competitors - but also had shitty hardware, therefore it was a pain in the ass to make games for it. If it wasnt for PS1's success, companies wouldnt give a shit about it. Also only a few games took advance of PS2 and these were at PS2's end of lifespan.
>>332272517
Can you drop a link at least? I genuinely want to see what games i missed.
>>332273460
He's talking about emulating other consoles on the PS2. Learn to read.
>>332274957
Honestly just go to metacritic and choose PS2 and check out anything with an 80 or higher and you'll be in for a good time. If you have some specific genres that you're into post them here and I or more likely someone else can shoot you some recs if you missed out on the PS2 back in the day.
>>332275394
>He's talking about emulating other consoles on the PS2. Learn to read.
Yeah I know, I suck dick. Disregard that shit.
