Based on the things I've heard, the plot is apparently really bad, which is a bummer because I was actually looking forward to playing this game. Would any of you actually recommend it?
>>332243945
The story is worse than you can imagine, but Conquest is excellent as a TRPG. I enjoyed it thoroughly, but it sounds like it's not for you.
best gameplay in the genre since Thracia
terribad story
The writing makes me want to kill myself.
Conquest on lunatic/classic make me want to kill myself even more.
>tfw stuck at Mr Fuga's wild ride
Shit story, main character is pretty much unbearable as a lead role, even worse than Chrom, everyone else is one note as fuck.
The whole game left a bad taste in my mouth, the gameplay itself is okay but I couldn't get over how universally bad the writing was. The "true end" is also DLC.
Pretty sure the only people who could stand it were the ones who are just in it for the waifus if that says anything.
Get it if you want but I'm about to return my copy.
>>332243945
BIRTHRIGHT
>Story: Good
>Gameplay: Mediocre
>Characters: Bad
CONQUEST
>Story: Horrible
>Gameplay: Great
>Characters: The best
REVELATIONS
>Story: Okay
>Gameplay: Okay
>Characters: Okay
>>332243945
>good plot
>any FE game
PoR was the best plot in the whole series, but even then it was totally mediocre and the one thing that made it even that good was Ike.
That being said, Conquest is easily the second best gameplay in the entire series and is one of the best in the whole genre, and it also has the best waifu in the series in pic related.
The other two games are eh or worse. Birthright is like if Awakening was better, but Revelations not only has the worst plot of the three, but also has terrible unit balancing (you get so many fucking units, but only like 9 of them are actually usable).
I recommend Conquest for the gameplay. I fucking love it. Skip out on the rest of them unless you somehow get invested into the story or the characters.Pirate the Japanese game that's modded with the NoA text if you have a hacked 3DS--best way to play, imo.
>>332243945
I don't have Birthright yet, but Conquest is really challenging (mostly in a good way). The story is incredibly bad, way worse than Awakening.
>>332243945
is it worth downloading for free because all 3ds games are now free for everyone who isn't retarded? sure but i never put more than 20 mins into it
Damn, that settles it I guess. Any other games you guys would recommend on the 3DS? Idc about the genre just whether or not it's any good. Xenoblade looks like it could be fun.
>>332246242
>good plot
>any FE game
It's not stellar but the cast in FE7 carried it pretty well for me, and it was hardly as offensively bad as Fates
also the worldbuilding was waaaaaaaaay better than Fates (the world map parts before chapters help a lot with that)
Plot is awful.
Gameplay is great. Big improvement on Awakening.
>>332243945
Do not fall for the 'fates is good' meme.
Gameplay is worse than most previous games, story is fucking horrendous, characters are all bland, generic anime stereotypes, tons of DLC cancer, and it's not a challenging game at all. Emulate Tactics Ogre:LUCT on the PSP if you want a good SRPG/TRPG.
>>332246481
Yeah, I'll agree with you on that.
FE7 was really bland, but not outright terrible like Fates was. I think that's a key difference between Fates and every other game, bar Awakening.
>>332246436
Good call on not getting it, anon. Lemme think of some good games.
MonHun for multiplayer fun.
Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon for great story and fun.
Etrian Mystery Dungeon for the same thing but not Pokemon and also no story
Stella Glow for a decent TRPG.
Earthbound on the VC if you haven't played it yet.
Shantae and the Pirate's Curse
Nintendo shills are working overtime so be aware. They're trying to push Fates as something that isn't garbage and the new Paper Mario game as anything other than an abomination
>>332246241
>Revelations story
>Okay
Ha it's even worse than Conquest
>Corrin attack both brothers
>Wait not yet
>Shit we gotta go, trust me and theow yourself off this cliff
>Welcome to the invisible kingdom no one can see and if you speak of it then you burst into treats
>And YOU'RE the king!
>Now all the sisters are yours to fuck!
>>332246436
There's unfortunately not that many good games on the 3Ds, way too much shovelware as usual.
The new Mystery Dungeon game is decent, not as good as Sky but not at all bad. Etrian Odyssey is awesome but ridiculously hard if you aren't good at classic dungeon crawlers.
>>332246241
>REVELATIONS
>>Story: Okay
What
I like Disgaea and hated Awakening--Would I like Fates? From everything I've heard it feels like I would be better off just playing Disgaea but I figured I should ask.
>>332246940
>tfw none of my friends will get MH4u for multiplayer fun with me
>>332246481
fe7's story is bad even by FE standards, wake the fuck up
>>332247348
>tfw I own Monster Hunter and can't get into it.
I tried Anon, I just start it up and it doesn't hold my interest for some reason.
>>332246849
TO shills crack me up
when you faggots gonna stop shitting on FE threads? your game is dead, deal with it
>>332243945
Conquest is good and challenging gameplay wise. Otherwise no, its shiut.
>>332247237
What did you hate about Awakening? Fates improves on almost every aspect of it.
I don't really know much about Disgaea so I'm not sure what pros that has in comparison
>>332246241
This is so retarded. Birthright has a terrible boring story. You don't even get most of the "story". Conquest goes way more into the lore. Yeah, some of the plot elements in Conquest are dumb, but the overall story flows way better. Hoshido is just as much of one long dumb hike to the enemy throne room, except more boring.
>>332247367
nowhere near as bad as Fates at least (not that that's saying much I guess
>>332246940
Thanks! Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon and Shantae sound pretty fun.
>>332246436
Kid Icarus Uprising
Monster Hunter
OoT and MM if you somehow haven't played those yet
Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon. Probably my favorite game on the 3DS, though the pacing of the story is pretty bad at some points (which is too bad, because it's a great story). Almost as good as Sky.
Rune Factory 4
Animal Crossing: New Leafbut the community is kind of dying
The new Kirby game is probably going to be great, because there's no such thing as a bad Kirby game
Classic VC games you haven't played yet
>>332247237
depends on why you hated FE but most probably not
Disgaea is about team building and numbers and shit, FE is more like a puzzle in the sense that correctly positioning your units is everything
>>332247731
I actually do already have Uprising, messed with my L button in the process but it was definitely worth it.
>>332247673
except it IS insultinly bad
the pace is all over the place, the villain is ridiculous, disney deaths, unresolved plot lines (remember Lyn getting her revenge? yeah me neither), retarded characters, etc etc
it's even got the tranny nun meme
>>332247632
>>332247754
I disliked how forgettable the story was and how bad the characters were. Everyone felt like they were there to fill a quota or something. Disgaea has a similar issue but at least those characters change through the story.
I was also very neutral about the support/marriage/children thing, is that a major part of Fates? Most every thread talks about who they married.
Awakening's gameplay was okay though, the team up system felt busted however.
>>332248370
>no mention of maps
yeah no bro, this series ain't for you
>>332248370
>Most every thread talks about who they married.
That's because waifu/husbando posting is easy shitposting.
It's not a major thing, but if you want all of the units available to you on any given run, you'll need to pair people up.
The way they shoehorned children into the game was atrocious, though.
>>332248665
>>332247468
>implying anyone shills for TO
FE is also a dead game, Fates and Awakening are just corpse puppets.
>>332248216
>tranny
he's a trap
You sound like a retarded liberal
>>332248918
>pretty good sales
>lively discussion
>dead
I see your definition of a dead game means "I don't like it!"
>>332248792
>you will never play Chapter 10 for the first time ever again
>>332249028
your mom sounds like a retarded liberal democratic republican CUNT
>>332246241
The Hoshido characters are fine. Their supports are just as interesting as the Nohr ones and there aren't any Peris. They certainly aren't bad by any means. In the actual story the main characters all act like fucking morons throughout all of Conquest and they're just boring good guys in Birthright. Ryoma and Takumi are more compelling in Conquest and Xander and Camilla are more compelling in Birthright.
>I'm going to overthrow Garon by doing exactly what he says and none of my siblings have a problem with this either!
>>332248665
It's been a while since I played Awakening, I remember a lot of maps being cramped and the Pegasus Knights being able to do fuck all about maps with mountains/cliffs because they died easily. When I finish a game I generally keep the characters in mind unless it's a platformer.
>>332248713
Oh good, I thought it was a dating sim masking itself as an SRPG.
How much gameplay can you get out of it before having to get DLC? Just the story?
>>332249046
Lol, I bet you think that Call of Duty and Uncharted are good games just because they sell well.
Waifufaggotry is also not discussion, despite what you may think.
>>332249321
It IS a dating sim pretending to be an RPG. The game is extremely casualized despite what the weebs pushing the game claim.
>>332249449
>talking about characters from a game is not game-related discussion
seriously now?
>>332249549
someone post the webm
>>332249321
>How much gameplay can you get out of it before having to get DLC? Just the story?
Unless you consider the other routes dlc don't bother with it. They offer nothing in terms of story(or atleast worth reading) and the rewards thus far aren't great and worth real money. Ballistician and Witch come out in a few weeks but there's thankfully a freebie dlc that lets you get one of the two items for free.
>>332249552
>which fire emblem wud u fuk
yeah great game discussion m8
The characters are all generic, which weeaboos eat up.
>>332249636
This one?
>>332249549
Conquest is alright
>>332249549
Oh.
Welp.
Back to the Item World for me, thanks anon.
Takumi sperging out the whole time was the only enjoyable part of the Conquest story
>>332250140
Fuck Takumi.
Fuck Takumi and his chronic headaches.
Fuck Takumi and his reasonable moral quandaries in an otherwise overly simplified narrative.
Fuck Takumi and his Seto Kaiba jumping off of a wall instead of facing the fact that he lost bullshit.
Fuck Shadow Takumi. Fuck Shadow Takumi,
Just... Fuck Takumi.
>>332250061
How's D5? I want to get back into the series, I only played 1 and 2, plus a bunch of their other games like Phantom Brave and Makai Kingdom.
>>332245974
im on normal and i already want to kill myself
seems pretty accurate
>>332251075
Probably the best in the series actually.
>MC is a total bro
>all the characters get their own arc with development
>story on par with D1
>gameplay is smooth as fuck
>PS4 can handle more enemies so some maps have ~30+ units to take on
>your units have subclasses so you can have a fist user switch to a spear or something if he needs range
>monster units aren't useless
The worst thing I can say about it is probably the dubbing even if I personally enjoyed it, but of course, all NIS games have dual audio so its a non issue.
If you want to get back in Disgaea, D5 is probably the way to go. Disgaea 1 came out on steam recently also if you ever want to replay it.
>>332246241
BIRTHRIGHT
>Story: Okay
>Gameplay: Good
>Characters: Great
CONQUEST (What I've played so far)
>Story: Horrible
>Gameplay: Great
>Characters: Good
So, Birthright > Conquest.
What's the consensus on what makes the story so garbage?
>>332252009
Damn, are you gonna get the Hinoka shit out of the way now? Or are you gonna wait for someone to mention Camilla?
>>332252140
Some of the characters do real stupid shit and like to withhold information.
>>332252140
Azura, Corrin, Garon being a slime monster, dumb Valla fight club rules, the stone showing garon immediately breaking, etc.
it's easier to look for what ISN'T garbage in the story
>>332252276I mean, it's not like they have a choice in talking about the information they know
>>332252009
>>332252392
>>332252276
>Fates/Awakening characters
>Good
no
>>332252140
It's one of those stories where they purposely have characters make things difficult for the sake of dragging shit out. Corrin is also wishywashy and boring as hell.
>>332252140
It's generic and awful at the same time, full of mary-sues that are forced on the player. Imagine everything bad about Awakening and then amplify it.
FE never had stellar writing but this is just awful weeb-pandering trash
>>332246241
>>332252009
This sort of ranking is rather misleading. The following would be more accurate:
BIRTHRIGHT
>Story: 2/10
>Gameplay: 2/10
CONQUEST
>Story: 0/10
>Gameplay: 9.5/10
REVELATIONS
>Story: 1/10
>Gameplay: 2.5/10
So while it is true that in terms of story birthright > revelations > conquest, if you are at all concerned about story you should ignore all three of the Fates games.
>>332252439
I didn't say anything about the characters being good here >>332252276. Try your shitposting again.
>>332252618
This to be honest
Been playing Conquest for a while now. Pretty solid to be honest, some of the new map mechanics are great and give a nice change of pace to the general FE mechanics and are a lot better than Awakenings "Route the enemy" every map.
Plot is not THAT bad but the biggest problem it has are the dialogues, they are beyond retarded.
Zola did literally nothing wrong. Also, why is Takumi not a prepromote Sniper? He's about as good as one.
Conquest was good, I'm glad I got it instead of Birthright.
I just bought it for $40 and sold it on Ebay for $35, so I obviously have no issue saying it was worth it
If you could make a Conquest-style FE game (ie. the mechanics, limited resources and challenging maps), what would the setting/story/characters be? I'd be interested in another game in the Magvel setting
>>332252439
Fates > Awakening Charaters.
Also Birthright Charaters > Conquest charaters, I mean, it's not even a question. The Hoshido Royal Family overall is better than the Nohrian Family.
Not to mention Hoshido has better retainers both as units and in their support conversations.
>>332253252
>namefag
>with awful taste
It's like poetry
it rhymes
>>332253035
He just isn't. I thought that was weird though seeing as Leo, who's supposed to be his counterpart on the Nohr side, is promoted. But then again, Hinoka isn't yet Camilla is. It seems like they did 3 prepromotes for Nohr, probably due to the higher difficulty.
>>332252618
I still want to knock 5 points off the gameplay of every route because of the fact that 2nd gens and the online shit exist.
inb4 don't use it, yes I'm not using it, but it doesn't stop every fucking person you talk to from assuming your party has 2nd gens and you're buying skills.
>>332253252
>The Hoshido Royal Family overall is better than the Nohrian Family.
You deserve a medal for always saying the most retarded shit. As far as units go only Ryouma is the better counterpart, as far as characters go the weeb side is entirely inferior. Even Japan agrees.
I honestly don't think the plot is as bad as you're all making it out to be. Sure, the not being able to talk about Valla shit is dumb as hell as a plot device, but it's not enough to make the story complete garbage
Do not marry Pieri or she will make you a fat fuck.
>>332253252
>Fates has good characters
no they're shitty anime archetypes, they aren't even slightly endearing like previous characters in the series.
Why are the older brothers so hot?
>>332253565
Dude it's a post Awakening Fire Emblem game, it's total garbage.
>>332253252
>Hoshido has better retainers both as units and in their support conversations
The only really good Hoshido retainers are Oboro, Azama, and Saizo. The only bad Nohr retainers are Odin and Selena.They're about even in support conversations. Hoshido retainers are bland, but Nohr retainers are silly.
>no castles with rhajat for skills
Did The Last Promise have a better story than Fates?
So does anyone feel like it's "cheating" to just buy skills online instead of legitimately getting them?
>>332253953
No.
unless its some completely overpowered shit like warp
>>332253953
No, stop being autistic.
>>332253520
>far as units go only Ryouma is the better counterpart
Takumi and Sakura are the better counterparts too. Unit wise.
And character wise really 3 out of 4 of them are better.
You know, I really think you people are deluding yourselves.
>>332253840
Oboro, Azama, Saizo, Setsuna, Hana, Hinata. They are all good.
Odin is okay I think he's funny, Selena is okay. Actually most of them are fine but they are not as good as Hosido's retainers. I don't like Laslow and Peri is overrated. Charlotte is like a whore. Benny is okay.
>>332246241
I agree with this
The plot isn't bad, the writing is just complete horseshit.
While I just finished Birthright and now playing Conquest the story feels like it was originally supposed to be one game where Corrin bounces back and forth between the two sides.
>Starts in Nohr tower
>goes to Hoshido capital
>goes to the battlefield between the two armies
>goes with Xander to persuade Garon to stop against Ryoma's wishes
>Garon tells him to fuck off and die
>Xander saids no and asks for one more chance
>Corrin is forced to stop ice tribe rebellion by killing them
>Xander finally realizes Garon wants Corrin dead since it's suicide to do it alone
>Sends backup to support Corrin in the forest and ice tribe
>Corrin doesn't go through with it upon receiving hospitality by the leader
>Heads back to Hoshido with Silas and his maids
>Ryoma and Takumi untrustworthy of him proceed to kick Corrin back out through force
>Hinako and Sakura still caring about Corrin goes MIA
>Xander tells Leo to find and meet with Corrin
>Leo goes with Corrin to find the Rainbow Sage
>After Corrin gets his new sword he goes back to Hoshido
>Ryoma witnesses the transformed sword and trust him again
>Takumi doesn't trust him but goes along with
>sneak into Nohr kingdom via secret passage
>meet up with Camilla and Elise
>reach Xander but Corrin has to fight him one on one while Garon watches to not make the cue suspect
>Xander throws the fight but gets fatally shot in the back by Takumi
>Corrin fights Takumi in a fit of rage
>Kills Takumi but learns that Iago was controlling him
>With cover blown Garon sends his personal guard and Iago to fight Corrin and Co.
>After killing Iago Corrin and Co. face off against Garon
>Beats him and his alternate form
>The war is over, Ryoma becomes king and Leo becomes king
>the end
That's what the story feels like what it was originally supposed to be and this "path" bullshit was tacked on for more money.
>>332254018
You can't buy warp because it's a DLC skill.
>>332254037
I never said that I thought that, I was just asking because some people I know see it that way and I was wondering if others did as well
>>332243945
It's not even so much that the story is bad.
The story isn't good, but it's not bad. It's just medicore.
The English localization, however, is what is fucking awful, and makes the story feel a lot fucking worse than it actually is.
>>332254217
Yeah, the game was completely butchered in three parts in a shameless way to get money out of it.
>Slash game in three
>CAll each separate sale a Fates sale
>Act surprised the game sells well
Fuck this shit
>>332251564
I disagree about everything but the gameplay and the mechanic changes.
The story is drama, drama, dramaaaa and power of friendship and determination.
The cast was utterly terrible
Killia is a raging emotional faggot and the monologues are pure cringe.
Seraphina cannot stop thinking about cocks and talks nonstop about money. Literally a whore, benched as soon as possible for an archer.
Red Magnus doesn't ever stop being super dumb and only gets slightly better in the latter half.
Zeroken is that weeaboo you met in high school who went to class in a naruto headband.
Void Dark is generic edgy mcedge villain #420.
Majorita is also edgy.
Who the fuck is Lieserota even
The only people with half a brain are Usalia and Christo
Oh and fuck Seraphina for a second time.
And I still can't believe the Vita got cucked out of D5 because of the meme 100 enemies rooms that you run into once every 2 hours.
>>332253520
2nd gens aren't inherently a gameplay problem (though they're absolutely retarded from a story perspective). Planning out pairs for the sake of both pair up boosts, child stats, and the child chapters themselves (for exp and items) is an interesting element of a lunatic ironman run. They aren't so powerful that they are crucial to a run, either. I don't see what the problem is here.
I agree that it's very disheartening that most people use the blue orb for bonus content that destroys the balance of conquest. It's hard to discuss legitimate tactics without several people suggesting things that basically equate to cheating.
>>332254113
Setsuna is overshadowed by Takumi, while Hana and Hinata are overshadowed by Lobster-sama. They're not bad units on their own, but they're redundant in Birthright because the royals already fill their niches.
Charlotte and Benny aren't retainers.
>>332243945
Can't say for other routes, but Birthright's story is pretty fucking bad, like really fucking bad. The characters are even worse off due to 3/4th of the cast being a comic-relief.
The gameplay is meh. Even with the difficulty being higher and couple of new mechanics, it still feels like I'm back at playing Awakening. Half-way through the chapters, it just becomes a chore to play.
All in all, I'm glad I didn't spend money on it.
>>332253858
Yes, because Siggy was at least relatable and entertaining, and Edgleord and Stoner Boy were funny.
The maps were also fairly good too, despite Kelik, Siggy, and that one guy that everyone called Sundowner being really strong
>>332254558
Border Guards who suddenly joined the group are as good as retainers at this point.
Okay, sure, they are overshadowed, but why should that get in the way of how good they are? I think that's a unfair argument. You can say the same for other units in Conquest.
>>332254941
Kevin was his name I believe.
>>332253840
I like Saizo, Oboro, Azuma, Setsuna, and Kagerou on Hoshido. For Nohr I liked Odin, Niles, Laslow, Arthur and JP Effie. Everyone else was sort of meh.
>>332253953
Yeah, I haven't used it.
>>332253252I agree with you but I'm sure 99% of Conquestbabbies won't
>>332251321
>fe12
>shit tier
You can also bump Shadow Dragon up to decent tier with http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2316/ BTW.
>>332253804
Becausethey just are
>>332254113
>Takumi and Sakura are the better counterparts too. Unit wise.
Ah, spoken like a retarded grinder.
Takumi is useful for about 4 early game chapters before his stat gains stop keeping up with the enemy's stat inflation. He's a shitty overrated unit that only becomes relevant because you're playing the game at a snail's pace.
Leon meanwhile comes with incredibly solid bases, has 8 mov himself plus +1 mov on pairup, allowing him to be both an offense unit AND support unit.
I have a fucking essay detailing why Sakura is an absolute trainwreck thanks to the amount of money you need to waste in order to get her up to pace. Sure, you can dump 200 levels and 20 hours of care into her and turn her into a godly unit via the good growths like a true Awakeningbabby, but people with self respect will continue to use Elise and Felicia for their superior versatility and the fact that they can blossom with little to no effort, making them the prime support units for high level plays too.
>>332254515
The problem is that they're just borrowed from Awakening, which stole it from Genealogy (and then dumbed it down for good measure), where they were actually important to the plot and gameplay.
There's no reason that they need to be there, and if they just designed too many characters they could just as easily make them normal characters and not kids of other characters. There's no reason Forrest couldn't have just been a crossdressing troubadour, there's no reason that Percy couldn't have been Arthur's little brother or something, hell Soleil could've had a better dynamic with Laslow if they WEREN'T father and daughter, and some of the kids would probably have ended up better if they had existed before the game even started, like Nina, Midori and the two furries.
A few hours into Fates and it just doesn't feel as good as Awakening.
>tfw people shilling conquest are probably getting paid for it since it sold the worst and is getting beaten by things like peripherals, dlc, and amiibos
>>332255370
Honestly, if you didn't pirate all 3 games you're a fucking retard.
>>332254515
>for exp and items
This is what makes 2nd gens a gameplay problem.
>>332255205
What shitty growths did you get? Takumi was useful the entire game, even without grinding.
Sakura is pretty shit though without grinding, Elise is a monster either way.
You know, I kinda understand why they stripped the waifu patting.
Shit was just weird whenever I used it to gain affinity.
>>332253953
>>332254261
Basically, the games are made to have very specifically designed and meticulously balanced challenges in their map design. Especially so in Lunatic Conquest. Getting a lot of free shit from online, whether it be skills, items, or grinding supports (that lets you open up paralogues you otherwise wouldn't, or gets you better pair up bonuses, etc) all results in an advantage that the game isn't balanced around. As a player, you get a diluted and inferior experience if you use the online features to aid your playthrough.
It's the same sort of deal as picking normal phoenix mode.
If you want to play that way go ahead, but it kind of irritates me when people are talking about tactics and someone jumps in and says "just use ___ overpowered item that you wouldn't normally have access to". In that sense it's basically the same as telling someone to use cheat codes to progress, since it completely defeats the purpose of posting about tactics.
At least conquest has more objectives than "Fuck errybody" and "Fuck that guy in particular"
In Birthright, anyone kind of wanted him to legit be on your side?
>>332255554
No, nigga is ugly as fuck and has jaundice.
>>332243945
it's the best game in the series. the gameplay is vastly better than any other fire emblem.
yes the story is shit, but most of the story in these games has always come from character interactions via support. that's why games like radiant dawn and shadow dragon were particularly atrocious.
tl;dr fates is amazing
>>332255205
>Takumi is useful for about 4 early game chapters before his stat gains stop keeping up with the enemy's stat inflation.
The fuck happened to your Takumi? Mine was averaging 33% crit chance the entire game and took Anankos's final form out in one turn from a double crit.
>>332255205
Sakura has more balanced growths, the only thing holding her back are her bases. Elise dies if she gets a papercut.
Fuck Takumi in general, though.
>>332255205
Man, I'm not even grinding and he's incredibly powerful. I could give Sakura because I'm not so sure about her (I still find her more useful than Elise though), but Takumi? Seriously, people don't need to know much about the game to tell you that fact.
Say what you will, but I legitimately enjoyed Birthright, even after playing through Conquest.
>>332255554
Eh.
>>332250574
>>332255702
agreed, i think all 3 routes are enjoyable in their own way.
>>332255272
I agree that they're terrible from a story perspective. Really, it's absolutely retarded.
>>332255418
But they're a resource available to the player. In conquest you get Mozu's paralogue and a couple NPC castle invasions as optional battles, just like the child paralogues. I understand that some people will choose to ignore all optional battles (I'll probably do that once I've tried them all) but I don't see them as inherently problematic.
>>332255454
Good thing they removed all of the swimsuits except the towel and the ability to zoom in certain places. That shit was just weird and creepy.
Also Saizo and Beruka's C-support was creepy. Glad they removed it.
>>332254454
Completely agree with you anon and it's a shame too because had Fates just been one whole game it would have been the de facto nintendo rpg this generation and probably the de facto portable jrpg this gen too.
I still like it but it was a missed opportunity.
>>332255435
The part in IK Lunatic where suddenly everything has Def out of the ASS, while mages have Mag out of the ass. I have the option to promote to Golden Kite and be inferior to Yuugiri, or stay a Sniper and not get any piece of the action because now I have Ryouma and Marx.
In most practical situations Elise isn't an offense monster, although she can.
Should I really play either birthright or Conquest before REvelations?
I'm on the choice right now and haven't made it. Considering I can have both units from both sides in Revelations that makes it instantly superior, right?
Or does it not matter and I eventually get units from both sides anway?
If I can't mix-match marraiges in conquest or birthright for maximum efficiency and hilarious cross-kingdom banter, then I'm gonna fucking pick revelations regardless of it being my first playthrough.
How could we ruin the next Fire Emblem game, /v/?
I'll start
>can marry multiple people
>>332255016
You're right, you can say the same for units in Conquest, because when you consider the whole cast on each side, not every character is equal. It's not like you'll suffer for using any one character, but there are some characters who don't bring as much to the table, like Selena or Odin.
>>332256051
that's not ruining it though, i've been wanting to marry both of my older brothers
>>332256051
I'd use it to marry any girl with short hair tbqh fampai
>>332255997
>Considering I can have both units from both sides in Revelations that makes it instantly superior, right?
Nope. The unit balance in Revelation is BAD.
>Or does it not matter and I eventually get units from both sides anway?
You have a couple of units who follow you now matter the route. That's pretty much it. Pick what you want, but I'm letting you know that each of the routes have their weaknesses and strengths.
>>332255678
Nothing, I just abstained from wasting time in chapters. Also Lunatic if it helps.
>and took Anankos's final form out in one turn from a double crit.
Meanwhile I had to use both avatar and Ryouma to kill Hydra's final form. I'm not on a NORMAL kind of run and I don't use that kind of run to evaluate units period.
>>332255679
And support capabilities such as mov, skills (aside from the personal) and class sets. Elise's Def is a non-issue because a Strategist Felicia has less Def than her, and everybody who can play Fire Emblem worth a damn won't let their healers get hit.
>>332255554
It was obvious he was evil. though honestly I'm more upset Takumi was the traitor and not Silas.
Mostly because more singing bullshit.
>>332256231
so you just chuck everyone on a horse then
good to know we're in the no fun allowed zone
>>332256293
Speaking of Silas, why doesn't anyone ever talk about his daughter? She's cute, has an amusing personal skill, and was a complete monster in both of my runs so far.
>>332256051
Fe7 remake with Lyn as the only support for your avatar. Who isn't even a unit.
>>332256374
She wants to fuck her horse.
>>332256231
>Meanwhile I had to use both avatar and Ryouma to kill Hydra's final form.
It's sounding like you got fucked overall RNG wise. Even on lunatic the amount of things that can reliably hit Ryoma can be counted on one hand.
>>332256223
Let me put it this way, which one is going to let me have the MOST units? Is it possible to get all the units in any one route?
IF no the later question then this automatically is a shit FE game, because half the point of FE is satiating autism by letting you recruit every possible character and having them marry who you think they look cute with/whos gonna give them the best stats.
I want the route thats gonna be best suited for that: Collecting and shipping characters. Thats what FE is to me now thanks to the past few installments.
According tot his thread the story is crap on all 3 sides so I really only care about the units and support banter.
>>332255205
>Leo
>solid bases
>Good
Leo is shit, especially that speed, dear god.
post yer favorite units
he never let me down and has great supports/boss convos
>>332256515
you don't get all of them in any route but revelation is the closest since you only miss out on yukimura and izana, real spoilersscarlet dies although you have her for a while, and gunther has no supports
so you miss out on 2 and two halves of units, toallying pretty much 3. and those units aren't important and can't marry anyone but the self insert
>>332255205
While I disagree with Takumi, I whole heart agree with Sakura being shit since the last set of missions in Birthright go far beyond Sakura's natural abilities. Especially when Azama exist and can actively defend himself independent of any pairing help.
I'd also say Azura is shit with the only redeeming qualities is early game double turn singing and mid game Son unit.
>>332256515
>Let me put it this way, which one is going to let me have the MOST units? Is it possible to get all the units in any one route?
You get damn near everyone in Revelation.
>Collecting and shipping characters. Thats what FE is to me now thanks to the past few installments.
>>332256051
>Remove weapon triangle
>>332256726
Obligatory
>>332255780
People have a lot of trouble with Nohr Hard but I personally didn't, and I've only did two paralogues + Mozume. I strongly believe that's the result of me doing the paralogues and getting EXP I shouldn't have. Mozume and the castle invasions are fair game, but child paralogues are wackier than that: they are essentially full blown chapters, it's easy to abuse either the paralogues or the method to access them ("I'll just put theseeee units here until the paralogue happens!"). Nothing wrong with playing them once to see what they're about, but the safest rule is just to disregard them altogether.
>>332256727
Come to think of it, I never got Yukimura in Birthright. How were you supposed to?
>>332254503
Still better than Fates.
>>332255637
>t. nintendo shill
>>332251564
Adell is my favorite
>>332256741
>I'd also say Azura is shit
You can't really say that as long as she has singing.
Can other units turn into a similar class like Azura?
>>332256727
So Revelations gives me the most playable units?
Then I'm playing REvelations first. Story supposedly sucks ass regardless and thats the only reason they reccomend to play either game before revelations, so fuck em.
Think Im gonna regret it? Don't know why I care so much, I didn't even pay for this game.
>>332256912
Adell is ok, Axel should have been the protagonist.
Adell is just kind of bland compared to Laharl.
>>332256726
>>332256960
Azura's the only dancer in Fates. Which is why most people use her.
>>332256865
you get him by upgrading a puppet to level 3 and letting time pass (wait 6 hours or do a level)
I love his personal skill, and it still activates if he's behind someone so I made him a pair up bot
>>332257036
That explains it, I never even bought puppet since I didn't do any castle battles.
>>332256881
I actually have been pretty disillusioned with Nintendo lately, ironically, but Fates is one of the few games they've made lately that I liked. I've hated the recent Mario RPGs, Mario games, Zeldas and just about everything else they made (though I liked Xenoblade and X).
>>332243945
I'm really big on fire emblem and I had to force myself through Birthright only to end up dropping Conquest out of boredom.
The only time I wasn't bored was when I was cringing from the dialogue. Just pass on this.
Gonna pick GrillCorrin in my next run.
Gonna fuck Xander.
What should be my asset/flaw, and my talent?
>>332243945
What makes the story so bad?
>>332257270
Garon : Kamui go do this or I murder you
Kamui : Okay, but I'm not going to kill anyone, just make them retreat.
Garon : Macbeth, don't kill Kamui but make his life really shitty
Macbeth : Yes, King Garon
Kamui : OH NO, I MANAGED TO BEAT THESE PEOPLE WITHOUT KILLING THEM BUT NOW GARON/GANZ/MACBETH ARE KILLING THEM AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING A BOOBOOBOO
Marx/Camilla/Leon : We can't do shit because Garon will kill us. Just keep your mouth shut we love you.
Aqua : My brilliant attempt to reveal Garon's true form as failed, even with my brilliant disguise of only a veil and black dress. Here Kamui, look at this one of a kind Crystal Ball to show you Garon's true form. Oops it's shattered.
Kamui : I know what I must do Aqua. I must conquer Hoshido to reveal Garon's true form using that magic throne of Hoshido We will tell NO ONE of our true intentions.
Kamui : I will now proceed to defeat Hoshido and cry whenever Garon/Ganz/Macbeth show up and start murdering people for no reason.
Ryouma ; I WILL COMMIT SUICIDE SO KAMUI ISN'T EXECUTED BY GARON FOR NOT KILLING ME. REMEMBER ME AS SOMEONE WHO DIED WITH GLORY RATHER THAN A SISTER MURDERER
Macbeth : Welp, we're gonna murder you now Kamui.
Marx/Leon/Camilla/Elise : WE'VE GROWN ENOUGH OF A BACKBONE NOT TO JUST COMPLAIN ANYMORE.
Macbeth : I DINDUNUFFFFFFFFFFFFFIIIIIINBLARG
Garon : Shit, the Magic Throne revealed my true form. I must kill all witnesses.
Camilla/Leon/Elise : WE CAN'T FIGHT FATHER
Marx : Retards, that's a fucking slime monster. DIE SLIME MONSTER.
Takumi : I'm a zombie archer final boss out of nowhere! Wanna know how this happened? BUY THE DLCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC~
Kamui : I got a lot of people killed because I can't communicate or use deception properly~
Where's Aqua?
Aqua : I disappear because my song kills me, but you'll only know that if you play Hoshido~
Is DSO better than Censorship Emblem?
All the plots are terrible, it's just a matter of what type of bad plot bothers you the least. Conquest is Utilitarianism: The Story, Hoshido is ungodly boring and shit happens just 'cause with no real attempt to explain why things are happening at all, and Revelation is just retarded.
The actual gameplay in Conquest is great though.
>>332257168
Yeah, I came to that conclusion a WHILE ago. it's almost unanimously agreed upon that the game's bad. I'm pretty much copying down suggestions I see here for better games at this point.
>>332257168
>only to end up dropping Conquest out of boredom.
Alright, I'll bite. What did you find so boring about Conquest?
>>332257005
>Axel should've been the protagonist
True. Axel is based, but I'm satisfied with Axel mode, so long as he keeps making appearances, I'm happy.
>D3-DD2 gets treated like trash by everyone
>In D5 he's competent as hell, has all his popularity back and even took on both Adell and Killia because his fans believed in him
He's been my favorite since 2, so you can imagine how happy this made me.
>>332246436
Etrian Odyssey 4 is probably the best RPG I've ever seen out of Japan if you don't want story and want RPG gameplay that is actually good and demands thought. EO2U is almost just as good.
>>332256960
> Can other units turn into a similar class like Azura?
Nope, but her singing ability's usefulness begins to wane drastically towards the mid-game point when you should be getting the child units.
Azura is just a crutch for sub-par strategy and IS really should have made a different ending for minimum Azura use.
>>332256458
I'm very confident I did not get RNG fucked; with a booster in a couple stats, my Lv.15 Ryouma was now green in those stats. The truth remains that even my Ryouma cannot kill Hydra by himself, and I have very high doubts Takumi can -naturally- kill him either.
>>332256741
Aqua is invaluable for the singing ability -all game long-. Yeah there is only the "issue" of not letting her, well, get hit.
>>332257327
Wait, does it actually explain zombie Takumi in the dlc?
>>332257375
Plenty of people have been saying Conquest is good though, it's just the story that's shit.
>>332257327
>RATHER THAN A SISTER MURDERER
Heh.
>>332246075
>Im so sorry
>Im so sorry
S O R R Y
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>>332257546
>you should be getting the child units
>dancer is just a crutch for sub-par strategy
Neo Fire Emblem players, everybody.
>>332257375
OP you should really try out Disgaea if you haven't.
Imagine FE but with way more freedom, customization and storylines and characters that aren't hot garbage. The special attacks are also way, way cooler and the games are comfy and funny as hell.
Disgaea isn't nearly as popular as FE but because of this, they don't have to sell out to people who want a dating sim to stay afloat like FE has. I highly, highly recommend it.
>Was just playing the Great Wall of Takumi
>Finally got up to Takumi's little alcove, where he and his archer are the only units left
>Send in Effie
>Takumi has 5 damage, 6% crit
>Effie smacks him around for about 25 damage
>Vengeance
>Crit
There are no words to express my anger right now.
>>332246436
Rune Factory 4, Hatsune Miku Mirai DX
>>332243945
Depends on if you like Charlotte or not.
>>332257327
>Aqua : I disappear because my song kills me, but you'll only know that if you play Hoshido~
Actually it's pretty clear it kills her when she says she'll be returning to Ryouma and Takumi who are dead much sooner than she expected because she's going to sing -that- song again.
Still shit.
>>332257564
Explains it well enough in Conquest. Literally possessed by rage turned into supernatural force.Though Revelation says he's actually being controlled by dragons and shit.
>>332251321
Why is Shadow Dragon shit tier and the original god tier?
>>332257721
The Mikus are all wishing me HAPEE BASDAY today :3
>>332257714
to be honest you should probably play on casual and make saves before that kind of thing
FE isn't really a strategy game it's an RNG game, so don't take it too seriously
>>332257757
I have this strange urge to impregnate her and also give her all of my money.
>>332257862
The original has the excuse of being the original and not having anything to go off of, Shadow Dragon didn't improve anything and was shit overall.
Has anyone played that new dlc? What's it about?
>>332257873
Hapi basday anon!
>>332257862
The original is shit tier too. The old one in God Tier is Descent of Jihad.
>>332257873
Omedetou!
>Kamui : I got a lot of people killed because I can't communicate or use deception properly~
>>332258084
>>332258161
thanks but it's kinda overshadowed by a slightly more important holiday. I'm happy to cede the attention. Happy Easter back to you both
>>332257678
>way more freedom, customization
This is a negative. I guess Chess is a shit game because you can't customize your pieces.
>characters that aren't hot garbage
I'm not defending FE, but Disgaea characters are extremely exaggerated garbage, most of them have a gimmick they repeat over and over. Look at D5 to see how bad it recently got.
>The special attacks are also way, way cooler
If you're not playing both FE and Disgaea with animation off you're doing it wrong.
>and funny as hell
Only if you're a master weeb who finds wacky nonsensical chatter and le references like "Attaxe on Titan" and "Arrow in the knee" funny.
What does this series have against dragons?
>>332258010
It explains whyOwain, Inigo, and Severa are here, as well as some more backstory on Valla and Anankos
>>332258372
Filthy subhumans causing our race trouble
>>332247731
>(which is too bad, because it's a great story)
It really isn't, I'd say it's Fates tier unenjoyable, all the past PMD games were much better in the story department
Great gameplay though
>>332258308
>turning off the animations
The gameboy stopped being sold over a decade ago grandpa.
>>332256374
I talk about her a lot and married the chucklefuck so she could be my daughter but whenever I talk about her I get >>332256457 and >poor man's Cherche
Which is implying that Cherche is bad.
>>332258372
they're responsible for all the bad shit in almost every game
>Nohr
>Hoshido
>Neither
oh fuck what do I choose
>>332258549
Certainly not
>>332258628
You choose to JOIN SMASH
>>332258628
How do you not know the ups and downs to all sides by now?
>>332258531
Sorry son I can't go fast or GRIND fast with those on.
>>332246241
>Any of the stories
>Better then shit
Top kek, go read a book.
>>332258486
It's funny because kamui is part of the problem by enabling Aqua's idiocy.
>>332258708
which would you recommend for someone who's going to play the game just once?
>>332243945
Worst story in any FE game, great soundtrack, great gameplay in Conquest, very fun camaraderie simulator,less effective dating simulator.
>>332258808
No, you turn on those animations and you like them as you grind for a few hours.
Do it right or play a different fucking genre.
>>332249780
>having the enemy range turned off
>all those stupid as fuck partnerships
>attacking units knowing fully well that you're going to fucking kill your unit
HOLY FUCK WHAT IS THIS SUPPOSED TO PROVE OTHER THAN THIS PERSON IS FUCKING BAD AT THE GAME
>>332258882
If they're going to play up friendship power, I'd rather they at least gave a line for characters that haven't died in some cutscenes.
Is Devil Survivor Overclocked better than FE:Fates then?
>>332246242
I don't know how anyone can constantly spout this ""FE plot was never good" crap. Sure, the plots aren't too interesting on paper, but their execution and world-building used to be on-point.Plus, they're filled with likable characters, though I think Fates does a pretty good job on that front.
>>332259013
It's proving exactly that and that Ryoma is a fucking demon. Allegedly the streamer playing was judging attacks based on their faces, not even looking at the fucking numbers.
>>332258308
>>This is a negative. I guess Chess is a shit game because you can't customize your pieces.
I'm confused as to what you mean, you can have a Mage use axes or fists if you want. Any unit can defeat Baal if you put enough time into them unlike FE where some units just outright suck.
>>I'm not defending FE, but Disgaea characters are extremely exaggerated garbage, most of them have a gimmick they repeat over and over. Look at D5 to see how bad it recently got.
Even if I concede on this point, FE does this but way worse. Disgaea characters aren't perfect but I'll take them over Camillia who spends the whole game trying to ride your dick. Fates was made to pander and all it's done is attract degenerates like >>332257757 and >>332257925. Any Disgaea MC is also miles ahead of shitters like Chrom or Corrin, and the other FE MCs are so bland they're forgettable.
>>If you're not playing both FE and Disgaea with animation off you're doing it wrong.
I turn them off when I've finished seeing them as well, but that doesn't change anything.
>>Only if you're a master weeb who finds wacky nonsensical chatter and le references like "Attaxe on Titan" and "Arrow in the knee" funny.I cringed at Attaxe on Titan toobut Disgaea is still oozing with charm. Don't tell me you didn't like Captain Gordon or Champloo, anon.
>>332258856
Depends on what you want
>Gameplay
Conquest
>Supports/Characters
Birthright
>The "True" Route
Neither
>Good Story
A different game
>>332258549
>poor man's Cherche
That doesn't really imply Cherche is bad, just that she is similar to Cherche but lesser. Personally I feel like the mount obsession of Cherche went to Sophie while the rest of her went to Camilla.
>>332259176
Conquest's characters are more likable though.
>>332259013
She was going by the facial expressions of the units instead of the battle forecast. I'm surprised that after that and her spoiling the game, she didn't get more shit for it. Especially since she spoiled it by thinking it was initially a localization change, when it was the same in the Japanese and English versions.
>>332249780
>Paralog
>doesn't even recruit the kid in question
How does this even happen? How did they even make it past chapter fucking 5?
>>332246241
>Revelations
>Story:Okay
I think it's even worse than Conquest to be honest. I'm not overly fond of the "perfect victory" endings and the plot focuses entirely on Corrin and Azura, the lamest characters, when the royals were so much more entertaining.
Also, legit spoilersthe Sumeragi thing was so fucking terribly paced and out of nowhere, much like everything that happens once Corrin and friends jump into Valla.
With it's tedious as fuck maps, the best thing it has going for it is fun support fuckery.
>>332259319
They're bro tier but super fucking retarded.
>>332259176
>Supports/Characters
>Birthright
Gonna have to disagree there. I liked most of Conquest's characters better.
>>332259407
It's better than your forgettable siblings in Hoshido and their 3 silent ninjas. Conquest's characters and overall dynamic was so much better.Hoshido does have based Azama at least, so they've got that going for em.
can someone link me to the japanese-translated support logs please?
>>332259176
>Supports/Characters
Not in Birth "Hoshido can do no wrong" right. Every character is perfect and has no flaws save for Takumi who has middle kid syndrome.
>>332259341
They get killed.
Happened to me with all of the kids sans Mitama, Grey, genderbentaqua, Kana, Takumi's, and Sophie.I'm not very good at this game
>>332259163
>you can have a Mage use axes or fists if you want. Any unit can defeat Baal if you put enough time into them
If anything can do anything and be anything then where is the strategy? Why is there even a distinction between units anymore?
>I'll take them over Camillia who spends the whole game trying to ride your dick
Oh boy may you never play the game Seraphina is in. Almost made Camilla look like a pure angel.
Captain Gordon was fine.
>>332259387
I wouldn't say out of nowhere, since he does show up in chapter 5.
>>332259682
Do you not know what L+R+Start is?
>>332259786
I never reset.
>>332259718
I get that, but the reveal was so "HAHA, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG" but in the end it amounted to fucking nothing because we were given no reason to care about him. Plus he was gone as soon as he arrived.
Can anyone help me with this? I'm at CH. 25 in Birthright and wanted to get Shiro but this Paralogue is literally impossible with the promoted enemies. After the first turn Shiro runs up to an enemy, hits him for 2 damage, and then gets doubled and killed. I have no idea how to fucking do this. I'm reading I should send Fliers with Ryoma and then rescue staff him out but how will anyone stay alive? Should I just say fuck it and not get him until Revelations?
>tfw squandered story potential
>garon could have been a disillusioned, grumpy king who just wanted the best for his country and honestly loved his children
>Mikado could have been a knight templar, with the Hoshidans gradually beginning to question her actions
>true story could have revealed the explosion in chapter 5 wasn't even Garon's doing and that the two kingdoms were turned against each other byLOL DRAGONS
>>332259786
>tfw smash killed my r button
It's either cover it with my mouth and blow and pray it works or restart the whole device.
>>332259906
I had the same exact problem. Check the staff shops for Rescue staves, it's really the only way. They only require E rank though, so it should be doable.
>>332259906
Oh, I posted the thread yesterday asking about this.
I just decided it wasn't worth it and chose to wait until Revelations. Picked up Sophie instead, which turned out to be a good move.
>>332256051
Remove Classic Mode and have have Phoenix Mode always be turned on.
>>332259968
>>332259906
Fuck my reading comprehension. If your Corrin has decent defenses, use his Hoshido Noble class to teleport Shiro towards you. Once you talk to him with Ryoma, you can probably just pair the 2 up and he should be fine since Ryoma is busted.
>>332259176
>Birthright characters
>better than Conquest characters
Birthright has only a small handful of interesting characters.
>Ryoma
Asshole, but he's a beast unit
>Takumi
A SHIT, but interesting, and a beast unit
>Hinoka
Literally no point now that she has what she's always wanted (you)
>Sakura
Just kind of there
>Hana
Shitty unit, as memorable as drywall
>Hinata
Only memorable for the bara porn and his meme son
>Subaki
Literally just a Cordelia who sucks ass
>Kaden
LOL WOW EPIC RANDOM HYPER
>Rinkah
Cool as fuck, but wow is she terrible
>Oboro
Great
>Azama
Great
>SaizoHotand okay, I guess, but I can't name one notable feature of his personality
>Izana
Bit of a meme man and a mediocre unit, but still cool as fuck
>Skymilf
Boring
>Yukimura or whatever the fuck his name is
Boring
>Not Ricken
Literally who?
>Dumb Archer
Pretty good
Not counting the children because no one cares about them.
I have a feeling I forgot some characters, but I have absolutely no idea who so I'm not even gonna bother.
Birthright in general is boring as fuck. The only times their characters are nearly all interesting is in Revelations, when they can interact with the infinitely superior Conquest characters.
I would recommend it. The conquest version specifically since it has the best gameplay.
Pirate if possible so can play jap dub + free dlc. Yes the English voices are that bad and I'm not a dual audio fag.
If you pirate I'd recommend the undub US version since face rubbing was always retarded and loses its novelty the third time you scratch your waifus retina's to build support.
Although I think playing the jap version with the noa translation might have access to more dlc.. I'm not sure.
Don't bother with the fan translation because they still haven't translated tons of support convo's (and probably never will).
ALSO
If you play conquest DONT FORGET TO GRAB THE FLAME SHURIKEN FROM SAIZO ON CHAPTER 12
If you miss that Felicia loses a lot f her usefulness.
>>332259601
I agree with you man, Hoshido was super forgettable but that doesn't change the fact that the royals are retarded on the conquest side.
>>332259968
I guess I'll give it another shot then. I just want to be done with Birthright already since I'm in Ch 25 and keep getting my ass handed to me on this map.
>>332260038
I might just end up doing this. I really only wanted Shiro because I use 3 female children (Kana, Selkie and Midori) and a male child would be able to A support them all. None of the other children looked good to me.
>>332259163
Are you gay?
>>332260176
>3 female children
I fucked up, I use 4. I forgot I also use Sophie.
>>332252140
Convenient shit, Kamui and Aqua are beta as fuck. Also pretty dumb.
>W-whoops! The crystal ball that exposes Garon as a slime ball mysteriously broke! Can't get another one, so let's just Conquer Hoshido!
>>332260153
>Yes the English voices are that bad and I'm not a dual audio fag.
Eh, I think it's just hit-or-miss. Not atrocious.
The guys are generally great, but the girls are mostly bad or acceptable.
>Oboro, the Nohr hater, can marry Silas
Something about that don't sound right.
>>332260176
Did you utilize Hinoka? If you activate the Dragon's Vein in the center, you can just camp in that room until reinforcements stop coming.
Boots in the top right chest by the way.
>>332260068
>light damage
Kill me
You can marry your imouto
10/10
>>332260156
To be fair, if you're in contact with the main story, you'll end up being infected with some degree of retardism.
I've always found Leo decently reasonable, and while Xander is blindly loyal, I really felt like he cleaned up his act nicely in the end.
>>332260395
Who wants to tell him?
>>332260395
She's not actually your imouto.
-10/10
>>332260349
My Hinoka is one of my best units. I might just do this then.
>>332260429
My problem is how everyone on the conquest side knows garon is a fucker, they know this well before you even pick a side. Yet when you join hoshido he's some how worth protecting. It's like they completely forget he's a fucker.
