Metal Gear Rising, why do some many people hate this game?
no one hates it in significant numbers
/v/ has clouded your mind
>>332226998
Not sure. It was a boatload of fun, and with some polish and more dev time, it would have been my favorite cuhrazy game. I'm heartbroken that it'll likely never get the sequel it deserved.
>>332226998
It's just the "hardcore" mgs fans being butthurt because it's a full action game instead of classic mgs stealth
>>332227179
Same, that tease at Taipei was a big ball buster. Shame Vanquish will probably never get a sequel too thanks to it's shit sales.
>>332226998
It's a so-so game that's criminally overrated by people here, while being literally worse than DmC.
>>332226998
It's a stylish game with good music but shallow gameplay.
Honestly every time /v/ starts hating on a game and claims that gameplay trumps all, just start bringing up games like MGR, a game /v/ loves despite having pretty bad gameplay.
Because other than the soundtrack, it's a very mediocre game
>that picture
Who the fuck is that? Some e-Celeb?
And "hate" is a strong word, it's just that the diehard fanboys are dumb as fuck
>THIS GAME IS THE BEST HACK AND SLASH RELEASED IN A DECADE!
>STANDING HERE!
>MGR IS A BETTER METAL GEAR GAME THAN TPP!
I do appreciate it for what it was though, but holy shit it's hard to argue with these people
MEMORIES BROKEN
>>332227498
This.
It's fun (despite being shallow) for a play through or two but not nearly as good as MGS fans make it out to be
>>332227401
it has lots of flaws but its not even similar to DmC
>>332227498
>>MGR IS A BETTER METAL GEAR GAME THAN TPP!
MGR is a better game, especially since it's complete.
TPP only really had solid gameplay mechanics, but apart from that the game is riddled with problems from gameplay to the story along with being incomplete and turning into massive amounts of shit at chapter 2.
>>332227498
>Who the fuck is that? Some e-Celeb?
This dude, some niche meme called Suicidal Businessman.
It's the only character action game I've S Ranked in my entire life, so it has a special place in my heart.
>>332227775
>MGR is a better game, especially since it's complete.
MGR is clearly unfinished in many aspects though
>>332226998
I'm playing through it now. It's fun as fuck. Only problem is the loading time between when a bosses kick-ass theme starts and when you actually start fighting
>>332226998
Because it wasn't a classic metal gear game, and didn't have enough substance to really be THAT good of a standalone.
It's really good for what it is, but when you get down to it, it really lacks substance which becomes increasingly apparent on repeat playthroughs. My biggest problems are the lackluster combo system with the massive majority of moves being fairly lengthy animation niche moves and a disappointingly small enemy pool.Also the grapple monkeys being able to stunlock you with that shitty stick waggling qte
>>332226998
>not made in fox engine
>not the gap between mgs2 and mgs4
>became bayo: raiden DLC
>too short
>waste of the cut mechanics
>>332228876
The script is full of substance, but yes the gameplay is lacking.
>>332228903
You can blame most of that on KojiPro's incompetence.
>>332226998
a lot of /v/ seems to be under the delusion it has good mechanics, it doesn't
the parry input is silly, and should have been a button with tighter timing on a perfect parry. The smash brother's style input isn't difficult, it's just bad design.
>>332229014
I do, i knew kojipro was full beta all the time.
but everyone blamed the time to make V.
>>332227775
>MGR is a better game, especially since it's complete.
This is what I meant about you MGR fanboys being retarded. MGR is a ridiculously unfinished game, just look at how much of it is spent in Denver. Platinum had a ridiculously short time to build a functional game and very little carried over from when it was still being developed by Konami in-house. I commend them for making a functional product in that amount of time, but still, there's very little about MGR's design aside from the parry and like two bosses that really took a lot of effort.
TPP's Chapter 1 is still longer than a platinum trophy run of MGR.
>>332229014
>The script is full of substance
I am honestly unsure if the script is the best kind of B movie or if it has some meta-narrative going on
>Raiden is the player that plays for the plot
>Sam is the kindof player that's already beaten the game/plays for the gameplay
>Sam kicks the shit out of Raiden the first time they meet
>Raiden's arc is about learning to enjoy himself and get back to the real reason the player plays games - for the gameplay
>Beating the game automatically unlocks Sam's sword, and you'll almost definitely be skipping cutscenes on subsequent playthroughs further reinforcing his ideals
There's kind of a theme about moral relativity during conflict with the bosses, but they wrote most of the dialogue to sound cool first and to explore that theme second, so you can't really look too deeply into it since everything they say is pretty generic and vague.
>>332228485
>MGR is clearly unfinished in many aspects though
It's a complete game.
It doesn't start rehashing old missions to pad out the game, etc. and nor does it end with you having to replay the first mission to get a slightly extended cutscene that only makes the story make even less sense.
TPP is the worst MGS game, no question. Peace Walker, 4 and Portable Ops had issues yes but nowhere near to the level of TPP and they were all complete games in the end.
>>332229576
>This is what I meant about you MGR fanboys being retarded.
Maybe you should stop trying to label people like some massive deranged idiot, just a tip.
I tihnk MGR is mediocre. But I think TPP is a far worse game, easily.
But using your logic I can just call you a TPP fanboy and call it a day, so let's do that since you will no doubt not listen to reason anyway.
>>332229576
>Calling MGR a horribly unfinished game
>While praising the Phantom Pain
>>332227775
>MGR is a better game, especially since it's complete
yeah fucking nigger
like the very complete 4 hour campaign
the very complete recycling of areas
the very complete additional weapons with non-existing moveset
how the fuck can you nigger be so clueless
>>332229782
>meta-narrative + post
I wasn't even talking about all of that. I was talking about the moral ambiguity the game explores more than any other MGS previous. The notion of any real justice in the world, that there will always be people you cannot save. The codec calls that just ooze characterization, it's a really lovely game from a narrative standpoint.
All that meta shit though I dunno that's new on me.
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JCCZZjO.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>332229831
>It doesn't start rehashing old missions to pad out the game, etc.
LOOK AT THIS PLATDRONE! LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH!
>>332226998
Those people just hate fun.
>>332226998
It's actually my favorite hack and slash.
Just some good cheesy fun, easy to play.
>>332230134
>Boss rushes are rehashing old missions
>>332230134
I love how they only had two bosses to use in the boss rush.
I was mostly flabbergasted at how many people who reviewed the game couldnt figure out how to parry.
>>332230053
I am not clueless at all, but I say again, TPP is a massively incomplete game with a metric fuckton of issues.
One of the more important parts of the series is the story and the story wasn't only terrible in the mainline entry TPP, it was riddled with holes and was factually incomplete. It creates inconsitencies and questions, it doesn't answer them.
It hurts the series, it's completely pointless and is one big massive dissapointment.
TPP should've been classic, but instead it's useless.
But arguing with people not looking to be convinced is honestly pointless, so I won't bother.
>>332230314
Yeah it's really weird that they didn't have a Blade Wolf or GRAD in there
I don't hate it but I wish it wasn't so shallow, it's basically babby's first character action game
>>332226998
Because people have a serious boner for snake for some gay reason therefore if you dont to play as snake the game is shit.
See this game and MGS2 which is objectively better then 3.
>>332230134
Use more red herrings will you? I'm sure you trying to deflect helps your case greatly. All it does is prove that I'm right since you don't even disagree with what I'm saying.
>>332230421
I'm not arguing about MGSV not being a massive disappointment, I'm arguing about calling Revengeance complete, of all games
>>332230434
Wolf is one and only and he is on your side now, GRAD is a super lame "boss".
Should I get this or Killer is Dead?
>>332230607
In terms of content and story it is "complete". The gameplay doesn't start to pad itself out by rehashing old missions or litter itself with repeatable or pointless missions. The story is also complete and doesn't leave you with over 40 questions and just pure annoyance of what a mess the story was.
I don't care if you want to argue semantics or want to point out that something got cut from MGR, that is completely irrelevant since TPP is the far worse game, which is the point here.
>>332230994
this thread will be biased in mgr's favour. Mgr is the superior game any ways so it doesn't matter.
I believe they just can'tWASH AWAY THE ANGER
>>332231042
>TPP is a far worse game
>TPP is worse than babby's first hack 'n slash with meme music because the latter has a better story
wew lad desu
>>332231210
It's a great game that you shouldn't obsess over after you beat it once or twice. I completed it twice, once on the 360 and once on the PC, and since then I haven't played it. I might go back to it soon.
But to answer the OP's question, I don't think people hate the game so much as people hate the fanbase, especially here on /v/. CUHRAAAZY idiots in particular. Then again, most things /v/ obsesses over are pretty cringe so it's no big surprise.
>>332230994
I really liked killer is dead, but the game play is not as intense as mgr boss fights
Simple game, mgr
Simpler game, KiD
Because the game we got wasn't what we were initially promised. It was a letdown.
Thankfully it isn't canon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6OGvhlKNzw
>>332231210
HERE I STAND BENEATH THE WARM AND SOOTHING RAIN
>>332231042
MGSV takes about 60 hours before it starts rehashing content. MGR is a 5 hour game, any extensions of the game outside of poorly designed VR missions require playing the DLC or replaying the game on a harder difficulty, which is the same kind of rehashing that you're complaining about with TPP.
I know the point you're trying to make, but it's a very stupid fucking point.
>>332231210
>>332231421
>>332231779
lol
>>332226998
sorry, i enjoy games that involve more than mashing one button
>>332231753
>Thankfully it isn't canon.
...What would it matter if it was?
>>332231779
THE DROPLETS FALLING GENTLY DOWN ON THE TERRAAAAIN!
>>332232000
WASH AWAY THE SUN FROM ALL THE STAINS OF TIME
>>332231995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exr0VUJaoio
>>332232069
BUT THERE NO MEMORY ITS ONLY DRY INSIDE
>>332232131
That didn't answer my question. What would it matter if a game at the end of a timeline of a series of events was or was not canon? Are you not able to compartmentalize these things?
Not only that but again, MGR's narrative is pretty great.
>>332232069
BUT IF THERES NO MEMORY ITS ONLY DRY INSIIIIYDE
>>332232285
Because it sucks. Are you not able to comprehend this?
>>332232250
INTO THE MUD AND SINKING DEEPER
>>332232291
>>332232250
IN THE MUD IT'S SINKING DEEPER...
INTO A PEACEFUL LIFE-
>>332227361
I think a lot of MGS fans hate it because MGS is shit and takes its own ridiculous Kojima nonsense seriously, whereas MGR:R is good and takes nothing seriously.
>>332232434
AND IT WILL COME
>>332232396
>>332232434
AND IT WILL COME
LIKE A FLOOD OF PAIN
>>332232498
LIKE A FLOOD OF PAIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ZdxzOwpTQ
Obligatory.
>>332232565
POURING DOWN ON ME
>>332232498
LIKE A FRODO BRAIN
>>332232389
What would it matter if a game at the end of a timeline of a series of events was or was not canon? Are you not able to compartmentalize these things?
Not only that but again, MGR's narrative is pretty great. If you're talking about the gameplay it's a tad shallow yeah, but far from sucking. Can you elaborate?
>>332232659
>>332232659
AND IT WILL NOT LET UP UNTIL THE END IS HERE!
It's not really hated per se.
But Rising fanboys and memers are very annoying.
>>332232732
It was an average hack and slash platinum game with metal gear characters. The original game looked a lot more interesting.
>>332233031
Alright if you say it's average I can dig that, there's a difference between average and sucking. The plot definitely wasn't average though freindo.
The original looked more interesting but hey man it ain't a perfect world.
>>332227498
>>MGR IS A BETTER METAL GEAR GAME THAN TPP!
It's certainly a better game, although TPP is closer to Metal Gear despite itself not being a particularly good Metal Gear game.
>>332233031
>The original game looked a lot more interesting.
No it wasn't. There's a reason Kojima told his intern team to scrap everything related to it.
Because not muh solid, though quite frankly I'm amazed people still gave a shit about the main series after fucking 4 and PW.
I didn't like it because they pussed out on what they originally planned for the game in the E3 trailers. It was still fun, but I wish it hadn't changed.
>>332230000
He said both are unfinished games though.
Just that TPP has more content, which is true. But I guess /v/ only sees black and white arguments when trying to have a discussion.
>>332226998
I don't hate the game
I hate it because it changed /v/ forever singlehandedly just by the word 'meme'
Everything is a fucking meme now
Fuck this place
>>332233169
The original story was also a lot more interesting. I was more interested in knowing what happened to Raiden between 2 and 4, but Kojima decided to play it safe and that was all scrapped.
In the end we got a so randum Devil May Cry game starring Raiden from the Metal Gear Solid series. Wasted fucking potential.
Most of the people who really love this game are just meme spouters who don't have brain and are repeating shit because /v/ tells them too. It isn't bad, but it definitely has some big flaws. The short length, the gratuitous story cutscenes between really short battles, and the lack of enemy variety hurts the game. It's okay but there are better games in the genre like DMC3 and Bayonetta.
>>332233219
Because Platinum was developing it. Kojima knew this game was going to be a disaster.
>>332233446
Come on, the game would have never been taken seriously anyway with it's quirky dialogue and memish storyline. The word meme just helped it get the attention it desreved.
>>332230446
No wonder it's so popular.
>>332233475
Man, if only MGR (or any Plat game) had the depth of DMC3 or 4. For all the shit talking that MGR fanboys do, the fucking Korra game had way more combat depth than MGR and was way less generous with its difficulty
>>332226998
Too short and once you got used to the game it became very easy.
STANDING HERE
>>332227401
I know you're baiting but go ahead and try to argue that DmC is better.
>>332233475
>The original story was also a lot more interesting
We don't actually know that. It could've been tripe for all we know.
>but Kojima decided to play it safe and that was all scrapped.
Play it safe? He saw that his company was doing a shit show and then gave it to Platinum who had a year to finish it. Nothing safe about that.
>In the end we got a so randum Devil May Cry game starring Raiden from the Metal Gear Solid series. Wasted fucking potential.
But that's not true at all. None of the Devil May Cry games get an iota of distance close to how MGR explores the moral ambiguity of killing for a cause, of power equaling strength, of the world being a shithole. None of the DMC games get close to the character interactions MGR has with its codec calls. And that's not a slur on DMC, I love watching Dante and Lady dance, but that's apples and oranges.
>>332233651
Most definitely.
>>332233663
I REALIZE
YOU ARE JUST LIKE ME
>>332233475
We already knew what happened to Raiden, and changing the story to post 4 wasnt Kojima's idea.
>>332233663
>>332233902
im literally fapping to the lara thread with this music on
it's so hard to keep up with the rhythm i feel like my dick is about to fly off
We don't hate it. Armstrong is handily the best boss in the genre outside of Vergil 3.
It's better than TPP.
Was about as good as DmC but bad in all the areas DmC was good at but great at all the areas DmC was bad at.
>>332226998
it has the single best written story of any metal gear game ever, on the virtue of not taking it's bullshit seriously like Cuckjima did
>>332226998
0 depth
garbage story
ugly as fuck graphics
only 1 good boss (the final boss)
garbage soundtrack BUT the final boss
the list goes on and on
>>332234097
>We already knew what happened to Raiden
I don't know about you, but the story about rescuing Olga's baby from the Patriots sounds a thousand times cooler than stopping a deluded politician who wants to make America great again
>>332233848
Can you honestly say without trolling that you give more of a shit about any of that than how Raiden became a fucking robot and saved Sunny from the Patriots?
BEING TRACKED BY A STARVING BEAST
>>332234225
>Armstrong is handily the best boss in the genre outside of Vergil 3.
He's a terrible fucking boss fight, though. His attacks are easily readable, there's cinematics and QTE's that interrupt the fight constantly, and he drops recovery items all over the fucking place.
The aesthetics of the fight itself make it into a great climax for the game, but even fucking God of War has better designed boss fights.
>>332234373
>0 depth
It's got maybe like 2-3 depth, but yes very low.
>garbage story
This is not true.
>only 1 good boss (the final boss)
Monsoon is pretty good too. So maybe 2 good bosses?
OST is pretty great throughout man.
>>332234392
It would've been cool to see how Raiden became a robot and all that jazz, but we didn't get that. I'm not going to waste time dwelling on that and instead look at what the game does, and what the game does with its narrative supremely interesting. It's fucking great, everybody in the cast including Raiden's own support team calling out Raiden's motivations, it's the only piece of fiction ever to my knowledge that calls into question the economy of former Soviet bloc states and what Russia actually intends with them, it's just a good narrative filled with intricate details and I'm glad it came out.
>>332234503
LOOKING FOR IT'S DAILY FEAST
>>332234710
>Moonsoon
Nah, he's really boring, you just parry a lot, and dodge his magnetic garbage pile for half the fight.
I would rate the bosses in the following order:
Armstrong>Sam>Mistral>>Moonsoon=Sundowner >>>Wolf
>>332235095
Monsoon>=Sundowner. Sundowner is just fucking disappointing in every aspect. The fact that you can defeat him without using the cutting mechanic, so horrible shoehorned into his fight, is dumb.
Mistral is all flair and no substance, I'd put her between Monsoon and Sundowner. All of her Dwarf Gecko arms and she doesn't do anything of note with them. It's really good flair, but not much else. I'll never forget when the lyrics came in for A Stranger I Remain fuck that got me so juiced up.
>>332234718
A PREDATOR ON THE VERGE OF DEATH
>>332235095
>Armstrong>Sam>Mistral>>Moonsoon=Sundowner >>>Wolf
Put Sundowner last and I'll mostly agree.
Damn shame though he had one of the best tracks in the game.
RED SUN
>>332235485
>tfw have to run in circles for a minute, so I can at least get past the intro of the song
>>332235095
>People actually like Monsoon's fight
I found it really boring, once you learn how to break his invincibility gimmick in the 1v1 sections, then he can't lay a finger on you and you just have to wait for him to finish jerking off on his perch.I think the real reason people like that fight is because they didn't really 'get' blocking or just found it unreliable until the smokescreen part when it just kind of clicks
Rising is Platinum's most fascinating work to me, because it's obviously flawed yet still so good for a project that had an insanely short production cycle. It's short, lacks long term diversity, the graphics are muddy, the balance is fucked (too easy in the grand scheme of things), and it's missing a lot of Platinum's unlock content staples. But the core combat system is so damn satisfying, stands as pretty unique in Platinum's portfolio (offence = defence), has a unified aesthetic and mechanical vision, great production/direction in terms of themes, tone and soundtrack, and utilises the whole slow-mo procedural dismemberment in an interesting way without it feeling like a total dumb gimmick.
It's just a lot of fun top play, has a ton of memorable encounters for such a short game, and the whole perfect parry to slow mo dismemberment is a satisfying system to master. Overall I was really impressed that Platinum basically managed to conjure this up on a crazy, insane short dev cycle under pressure from Konami to get it out the door, off the back of KojiPro's hugely wasted project. There's no a lot of devs that can spit out a really great project with sprinkles of originality on a small budget and pressured, short dev cycle.
I wish Rising got a sequel on a full scale dev cycle. It's a really fantastic template for potentially bigger things.
>>332233902
TRYING TO MAKE HISTORY
Worst music.
