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She isn't an Avatar anymore?
Black-Red or black blue would do nicely with this.
maybe even black white.
>>332192868
Wow
WOWBattle for Zendikar was shit
>>332192868
Wow, thanks for the win
>>332192868
What a shitty card. Not even indestructible or protection against other cards.
For a 4/4 with no flying that's bad.
>>332195681
Eat shit you just wasted mana
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>>332195567
Yeah but this card wasn't.
Too bad Eye of Ugin's getting btfo of modern
>>332195203
>3*
>* represent colorless mana
so what the fuck does 3 represent then?
>>332196857
Colored
>>332196857
It means you need to waste at least one colorless mana on it.
>>332196857
Any mana of any kind.
>>332196857
basically you need something that can generate colorless mana and three extra.
>>332196559
>fling deals damage
Congrats, you just dealt 4 damage
MEOW
>>332197016
but the number are the one that represent colorless mana, urza mine make colorless mana for example, why make this dumb difference?
http://www.mtgfanatic.com/decks/viewdeck.aspx?id=175548&page=1&pagesize=25
>>332197201
>implying that's not enough to kill you
>>332197295
It's just specifically colorless mana. They did it for the Eldrazi since they're devoid of color
Anybody going to give the Bloodborne card game a shot when it comes out?
>>332197295
The numbers have never represented colorless mana, they represent any type of mana.
They just made that more clear.
>>332196668
One deck being 30% of the meta is not okay.
>>332197240
Hey this card saved Kitten.
>>332195203
I'm not really into magic, but what exactly are the Eldrazi? In terms of lore I guess. Are they gods or something?
>>332197861
Eldritch horrors that consume copious amounts of mana in planes, which eventually results in the plane collapsing.
>>332197861
Lovecraft aliens who travel worlds only to kill all life on that planet before moving to another one
>>332197861
Lovecraft monsters from in between dimensions
>>332197593
Yeah, I hope the deck can stick around in some form after, though. Maybe with Tron lands and Temple?
I always wanted to pick up Magic but never got around to it. One day maybe.
I have a question though.
Who does the art for the cards? It seems wildly inconsistent. I've seen beautifully drawn cards and some other ones that are just plain ugly. What gives?
>>332198324
It's literally printed on the card itself
>>332198193
I'm not going to miss that shit at all. Everyone at my meta is already either playing Tron or Eldrazi, and it's fucking stupid.
I've been playing Standard for the last few months because that's actually more fun
>>332198324
Bunch of different artists, there used to be some real good pieces and there still are but changes in art policy haven't been super kind to anything that's not 3d garbage
>>332198440
I haven't played Modern or Magic in general for 4 months.
>>332198440
Tron's just going to get better after this, it got so many tools from the last set, even an Eye of Ugin ban won't hurt it much.
>flicker that shit
>win
wow
>friend traded me an avatar of fury for this
>>332197861
Don't listen to these guys
>>332198071
>>332198064
>>332198060
They are nothing more than NOT!Tyraninds
WOOOOOOOOOW
>>332192868
lmao
>>332195203
fuck off you fucking memedrazi ruining the format
p-play me please
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>>332196857
3 mana of any color (or colorless), same as it always has.
<> is explicitly colorless
essentially they changed it so that lands (and other mana sources) that used to make 1 instead make <>
99% of the time this doesn't matter in any context but eldrazi are all about being huge fuckin colorless monstrosities so here they're differentiated.
>>332197451
>not knowing the difference between damage and combat damage
read the card m8
>>332198921
You're gonna get banned from Modern Karn
Daily reminder that Sliver decks are the best decks.
>>332197486
I don't see the appeal
if I wanted that kinda flavor I'd just draft eldrazi and innistrad together
>>332192868
Not today, motherfucker.
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>>332198986
>Karn will get banned
>Eye of Ugin won't
Just fuck my competitive diversity up famizards
>>332198656
>EVERYTHING IS THE SAME.
>I'M SUCH A SHIT PERSON I SEE SHIT WHEN I LOOK AT CARDS
>>332196857
>>332197067
>>332198948
So I tap a battlefield forge, and 3 mountains. Could I play that card if I pay no life?
>>332197861
Ayy lmaos and shit
>>332198921
>restart the game
wat, they seem to be running out of ideas
>>332199239
Yes, exactly, that's why Forge is in standard right now.
>>332199129
>Play Cont-priest.
>Always get put against dickhead mages who fire spells every 2 goddamn fucking seconds and polymorph any decent cards I throw out.
>>332195681
You didnt play it from your hand. You lose.
>>332192868
>magic has good art they said
>>332199291
It still just means you win, if you exiled multiple lands you're starting with moxen, if you exiled shit like a Wurmcoil Engine you hit them for 6 a turn.
And honestly if Karn got to the point where it could ult you've already lost.
>>332199239
yeah
"Add one colorless mana to your mana pool" was changed a while ago to "Add (1) to your mana pool" and now that's been changed again to "Add (<>) to your mana pool."
>>332199129
Terrible
>>332199319
Are you literally retarded?
>>332199291
that card is like 6 years old...
>>332199306
Man trying to play anuburak for lels is so hard so quit your whining
>>332197486
But there is a Bloodborne card game out already
>>332199401
wasn't karn in the set with proliferate
last I checked that was some dank shit for PWs so ulting wouldn't be nearly as much of a hassle
just mix that in with a lotta ingest and you got a fuckin beatstick
>>332196857
Generic mana
>>332199589
new phyrexia and 15 core set
Wouldn't mind a few rounds of Gwent.
>>332199297
>>332199413
Thanks.
>>332199545
Man having every card in the game is a sure thing that we have.
>>332199589
I think proliferate was mostly a thing because of the creatures with infect that were also printed in the scars block
do you guys think they will continue with the Magic Duels or reboot it again in July?
RePrint me! RePrint me please!
>>332199839
well they added the battle for zendikar expansion, and the game is still discussed on wizard's website so I think its a pretty safe bet that they keep updating it.
Do you think it would be to Magic's benefit to have a TV show?
Would you watch it?
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>>332200014
maybe like 10 years or so ago
>>332199965
>posting the reprint
>>332200014
MtG's story is more about the planeswalkers and less about the cards.
A show would probably follow Have, and that sounds awful.
>>332200049
since when did we have a nisekoi tcg?
>>332198324
Brom used to do art for MTG, dunno if he does it anymore. And if you don't know who that is then just google him and you'll see that it's highly likely that you've seen his shit. He's done lots of box art for vidya. Perhaps the most iconic ones are the Doom 1 & 2 boxes.
>>332198725
Oldfag here. What is that neoshit? I cant even read that
>>332199965
should be unbanned in modern
>>332200173
Meant to say Jace
wow...!
>>332200014
A TV about the Gatewatch would likely be shit, so no
>>332200014
It would literally be just like all the other Marvel and DC capeshit TV series, except with Wizards.
>>332199965
>Make a card the poster planeswalker
>Ban his Mind Sculptor variant
>>332200220
Good to know Yugioh threads aren't the only ones with hipster grandpas
>>332200206
It's Weiss Schwarz, it uses all sorts of anime franchises for decks. Kantai Collection, Fate/Stay, Monogatari, etc.
>>332200173
I'd watch a show about the Brother's War, but not about the Jacetice League.
>>332199839
I think it has at least another year before they say "fuck it" and shit out something else that's also half assed and then wonder why hearthstone is kicking their asses in the digital field.
>>332199965
Not likely buddy. Don't worry they'll just make another Jace next block. And the one after that. And the one after that.
>>332200395
They didn't make a Jace for BfZ, and he was on that plane
>tfw standard decks will get cheaper now that fetchlands rotate out
>>332199965
wOw
RePrint me too please!The nigger doesn't count!
Fuck your mana.
>>332200014
I would like that
How much do you lads think you'd make if you sold all of your cards?
Reckon you have any valuable shit?
>>332200570
Jeskai Black has been fun. I'm gonna miss it.
Hopefully UWR or Grixis does well in SoI
>>332200570
>tfw unpacked a fetch land a couple of weeks ago and it dropped $10 in price
fug
>>332199839
They've already said that they're adding Gatewatch and Shadows expansions in April.
>tfw when you have 5k saved up in coins and already unlocked all cards from Battle and Origins
Cardfu time?
>>332200765
My legacy deck is worth about 1800, my modern deck is about 600. I would probably get 1400 dollars if I sold everything. Not really worth selling for a hobby that I've been playing for years.
I know it's an unpopular mindset to have amongst either group, but I actually like Magic and Yugioh well enough for different reasons.
The only one I can't stomach is Vanguard.
>>332200765
At least several hundred, maybe up to a thousand dollars. That's ebay prices though - selling to a retailer would yield significantly less.
So what the fuck is happening with my boy Garruk?
Last I heard Jace was trying to find a cure for his curse.
But now Jace is fucking around with all this other shit
>>332200606
>Traded one away for some shit phoenix
I mean i dont even like blues, but fuuuuuck I miss having it.
>>332200959
This is my cardfu, but getting him to be playable requires dropping like $200 on various land cards.
>>332200959
Always and forever
>>332200959
You wouldn't believe the stunts I've pulled off with this crap card. Ever since I bought Pulverize I fell in love with these awful cards.
>>332200206
It's Weiss Schwarz, it's basically Anime: The Card Game
Only 125,000$ on eBay boys.
Get it while it's hot.
>>332201081
are zombies finally going to make it?
>>332192868
Give her the D12.
>>332201169
always loved the flavor on that card
it was really fun in the right deck
>>332200959
>>332200959
It's so satisfying when people realize they let the vial activate, and now can't respond to what comes in.
>>332200765
I have Jund, Grishoalbrand, and Jeskai Black built right now. Altogether, those are probably worth a little over $3,000. Probably get like $1600 if I sold it.
>>332192868
>counterspell it
>send it to his graveyard
>revive it to your side from graveyard
so who would lose? the owner or myself?
What's your favorite format, /v/?
I just started after I stopped playing over 6+ years ago, so I'm only in standard right now
>>332201238
Isn't there also an anime card game called Force of Will?
>>332201273
>that card
YOOOOOOOO. I already have friends that hate my mono-black zombie deck because of shit like tokens and Gravecrawlers. I could double the tokens with that bitch!
![Image[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gXNfssR.jpg "Image[1].jpg")
>>332200959
My first rare out of my first pack way back when. I used to play multiplayer games with my friends and Multani was a nightmare for them because of it.
>>332201273
>are zombies finally going to make it?
I wish I love tribal decks. But it seems the only tribal deck to ever reach competitive play was fish. Slivers and vampires did somewhat decent too I guess.
>>332201401
If you control it, you also control its ETB ability.
>>332200765
I've got Karn and Bolas planeswalkers, an original print Jace, a Greater Auramancy, a Necropotence, Sword of Light and Shadow/Fire and Ice, a full set of Kaldra gear, and original prints of Phage and Akromka. Y'know nothing wildly value but I could make a lil bank.
>>332200049
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>>332201403
Pauper and Legacy here. I play modern sometimes, but I haven't really had fun for about a year since pod got banned, and I had to scramble to sell off the bloom deck I had just finished,
>>332199225
>3 post say they are just Lovecraft monster
>but I'm a fag for saying thery are nothing like them
Baka desu sempai
>>332200959
Best commander right here
>>332201403
Force of Will is a weeb card game with weeb art work. Weiss Schwarz literally uses anime franchises for it's art work and deck builds.
I wish they'd mass produce Gwent cards.
It's not the most complex game but it's fun.
>>332201481
>not Elves
Elf tribal decks are fucking out of this world, man.
>>332200959
Basking Rootwalla is cute! CUTE!
>>332196857
Generic mana.
>>332201403
>Force of Will
That's MTG's Chinese knockoff
>>332196857
Its Anusmana
You need to produce Anusmana from an Anusland, or from a source that produces Anusmana.
>>332201401
You. Unless it directly states, "owner of this card", the card text will refer to the controller.
>>332201403
I was a big fan of modern until Oath of the Gatewatch.
>>332201403
Used to love Modern, but then Oath came out. Right now I'm only playing standard.
And, yes. There's is a card game called Force of Will. Played it for like a month; it sucked.
>>332200959
Here's all three of my cardfus, even if I don't play YGO anymore.
>>332201481
>not running jank druid tribal
>>332198986
>Banned from modern
He needs to be used first.
>>332192868
Jeska was so much more babely before she was Phage.
Top tier cardfu.
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>>332201839
If I can't have lands, no one can!
>>332196660
it's both a skeleton AND a ghost?
d-double spooky
>>332200959
I got this in a starter deck when I first started playing. Its not the best card in the world, but it still holds a special place in my heart.
>>332201967
Pre-mending waifus >>> post-mending waifus
They really need to just go ahead and ban themselves from creating any more angels and demons for a few sets. Oh and vampires. Getting real sick of this Buffy shit.
>>332201971
But how will you cast your spells when you have no lands to do so with?
WOAH
>>332202075
You don't know the half of it m8.
14000 ATTACK
4
0
0
0
A
T
T
A
C
K
PePe still lives
>>332201562
Your commander does shit when I make it where you cant search.
>>332202230
I wish I had a skull servant deck. Or a muffingirl dekc.
The only deck of "value" I have is Lightsworn.
>>332200959
>cardfu
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>>332202372
>nu-EXes
I remember when being -ex meant something.
>>332201169
>8 mana
>1/1
Why tho.
>>332199319
The rules resolve with ownership
>>332202503
>>332202372
The fuck is this EX shit?
>>332202237
DracoPal is cancer
>>332202314
You could get a Skull Servant deck for pretty cheap though.
>>332202230
this card would be so much better if he was flipping you off.
>>332202152
>They really need to just go ahead and ban themselves from creating any more angels and demons for a few sets. Oh and vampires. Getting real sick of this Buffy shit.
Don't forget elves, gobjews and humans it be nice to have a completely alien plane
>>332202170
You play some big motherfucker on the previous turn, of course. I used to run a deck that had Shivan Dragons and a lot of other dudes who could handle the 4 damage, and once I'd established the big dudes I Wildfire'd to secure the win. Good times.
>>332202535
For the new Sorin
>Draw an 8 mana 1/1
>Deal 8 damage.
>>332202372
Jesus, I know shit all about the meta, but that card seems completely fucked.
>>332202618
Did they ever make a structure deck that makes it easier to purchase? It's the only reason I have a Lightsworn deck.
>tfw there will never be a Madolche structure deck because you can't market little girls sitting on cupcakes to 12 year old boys
>>332202647
I kind of like that pose though.
It just screams "C'mon son"
>>332202535
You morph it out and then get benefits.
>>332202591
Usually the only kind of Pokemon used in the card game. They pump out really high damage for not much energy, and now are always basic not matter what stage they usually are.
Right now, the best Pokemon in the TCG is Joltik, a fucking common, since he can do like 200 damage by turn 2.
>>332192868
Literally my favourite card ever printed. It's a shit card. But ffuck do I love it
>>332200959
I have had so much fun with this and living death over the years
I love playing black because its every other color too
>hey guys I get flying and lifelink too
>of course I get my own lightning bolt, im running black
>yeah I even get a common black lotus
>yep, of course I would get a 2 mana divination
>sorry, no counterspells, only kill spells here
>I'm playing black so I get big creatures with regenerate too green, fuck your reach I have flying and deathtouch
>>332196857
Generic mana, like it always has been since the game was made.
>>332202683
>>332202865
I actually had to read up on Morph and how it works. So it seems that you can play Scornful Egotist as a 2/2 for 4 mana instead of spending the 8 mana. I see how this card can be pretty useful now.
>>332202662
Lorwyn was really good because of that. I mean it technically had elves and goblins but they were completely unrecognizable from the usual ones.
Of course if they ever did a Return to Lorwyn they'd find some way to make it all about Jace and the Manateers and the premise would be completely ruined. Again.
You know what I want to see? Dwarves. We haven't had real dwarves since, what, Odyssey?
>>332202503
>>332202591
>>332202710
You guys haven't seen shit, Mewtwo EX is like 2 years old. Powercreep is a bitch.
>>332203028
Morph was always a subpar ability with limited uses. Khans of Tarkir Block had some decent morph creatures that were leagues better than the older ones.
>>332203029
>Adventurer's guildhouse
>reminded of all the different sheep trading post cards
>tfw no deck/gametype based around trading and selling
>just a bunch of cards of houses, castles, sheep, and mercenaries
If I go to a friday night magic will I be able to find people to play with if I have a shitty poorfag deck? Or do people only use the best of the best decks they can afford.
>>332203028
You play it face down as a 2/2 for three mana, then later can flip him back to a 1/1 by paying U.
>>332197295
They clarified it because people like you don't know the difference
>tfw the story behind this card
Christ.
>>332203220
If you go to FNM with a casual deck, don't expect to win a round at all, or for the deck to even be legal to play.
>>332203220
Depends on what the format is. As long as you have no illegal cards, you'll be fine.
You'll lose horribly, but you won't get DQ'd
>>332203209
I really wish they'd bring back the adventurous and explorative aspects of Green. These days it's all hippy druids and big dumb animals, and if any mention is made of exploring it's on a land fetch that no one would run over Harrow. You'd think going back to Zendikar would have been the perfect time to put that back in Green's wheelhouse but nope, muh world at war.
Where are you guys finding these new hearthstone cards?
>>332203220
My local comic book store does draft every Friday night. If you do draft/sealed you have a better chance of winning
>>332203220
FNM is a tournament, so expect the people there to be running tournament decks. If you want to dick around with casual piles figure out if your LGS has designated free play hours and go then. Or if you're in college, find the people there who play - almost always of a lower tier than the shops.
>>332202647
No.
He doesn't need to flip you off and he knows it
>>332203413
>blizzbabby bait
Pretty good stuff
>>332196119
Agreed. For 7 mana, 4 of which is colored, I can easily get a 6/6 flier with a decent ability or a 5/5 with a strong one. It won't win instantly if it gets through unblocked, but it's way more likely to actually connect with your opponent, instead of being killed by a mid-sized blocker.
>>332203220
>tfw my local FNM is populated with the most insufferable tryhards ever
All my friends used to play, now no one plays. Fucking sucks.
>>332200959
Best cardfu reporting in
>>332203220
Don't expect to win but nobody will be bothered that much and will explain you stuff.
People at my LGS are friendly so I guess it depends on the people too.
Drafts are more fun for beginners though.
>>332200959
It's shit but I love it
>>332203220
Keep in mind that 75%+ of the playerbase never goes to an FNM, so you are going to play against competitive players, and unless you play something cheesetastic, good decks are expensive. Pauper, or Draft/Sealed might be a better option if your store supports it.
>>332203337
kid who was dieing made that. that was when the company still gave a shit and had a heart
>>332198641
man that card has a really long name it's almost as if they purposely made the name of the card extremely long.
>>332203750
I think he ended up surviving though right?
Hope so.
>>332202535
There are a few combos with high costing cards. If you ever pay 8 mana for it, you're doing it wrong.
>>332200959
this little guy right here.
>>332203736
Give him trample and he's just about the best Storm abuser you could ask for at common.
>>332203220
W-we could play casual anon
>>332197451
if you are wasting mana doing stuff like getting phage down... nah, he probably has more than 4 life.
>>332203337
>>332203832
He's still alive, yeah.
>>332202171
WOOOOOAH
>>332200578
haaa duel nasters
>>332204158
but by reading this both players lose the game
>>332200959
remember when slivers were cool wispy snake things with a hivemind?;___;
>>332204158
this is actually pretty neat
>>332204158
Hi
I made a killing on these.
>>332204465
>implying those zerg like slivers havent evolved into more humanoid/bestial beings
>>332201081
This and diregaf captain are my favorite combo to annoy people in my casual decks. I wanna try to build a modern zombie tribal deck but im shit at mtg and am always broke
>>332197295
there's a difference between colorless and generic mana. Generic mana is only in costs, and can be paid with any color mana or colorless mana.
colorless mana was originally only produced and not in costs, and the point was that the only place you would be able to use it was for generic mana cost.
colorless mana is now part of mana costs (though very few) and require colorless mana (as in they can't be of any of the 5 colors) mechanically making colorless mana a 6th color.
>>332203220
>go to FNM
>befriend some people
>go hang out at their house and drink beer and play EDH
That was my FNM experience.
>>332204607
That's the excuse they made, and it's just as boring and stupid now as it was when they said it.
Snakebugs > Predaliens
>>332204607
and in return they look like shit and don't even keep their original gimmick.
Instead of applying to EVERY sliver in play, their effects only affect slivers you control. That's the whole point of their hivemind thing.
>>332204465
Can't wait for Eldrazi to evolve into qt anime girls tbqh
Is this the TCG/DCG/LCG/Idon'tknowwhatelse thread?
>>332204821
aren't we due for an asiany set anyways
>>332201190
Are there cards that can help the coin flipping?
>>332196559
>sacrifice a creature
>sacrifice my opponents creature
>kill his other creature
ok
>>332200959
No Scarred Puma?
I guess he doesn't visit /v/
>>332205001
"Sacrifice" only works on creatures you control.
>>332201190
I wouldn't really call this a gambit since there's no real risk aside from wasted mana.
>>332204961
As long as it's not Eldrazi, I'm golden. Not fond of Devoid.
>>332200959
![1435943659-68506100[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/JGz86kd.png "1435943659-68506100[1].png")
>>332200959
Green is the only color
every other color needs to go back
>>332205108
but Devoid is who cares
At least it's not Annihilator.
>>332192868
>not playing force of willits a boy
>>332197295
That's not how it works, the 3 is three main of any colour *is colourless mana.
>>332205197
Is this card any good? I got it in the Origins booster box I split with a mate and I'm planning on putting it in the GB elves deck I'm assembling purely for flavor reasons but I have no idea if it's actually meta.
This is my cardfu. Its my favorite card in my cube
>>332205085
I feel ya
go big or go home
>>332204961
never happening because kamigawa did like shit
we'll be lucky to see tamiyo return
>Major poorfag growing up
>Liked Yugioh a lot
>Managed to actually get a lot of good cards from random packs because I was lucky
>One day someone stole my deck that I poured years into and pretty much all of my spare money
>Lose all motivation to start buying cards
>Never get back into card games
>tfw you guys make these threads
Fucking triggered.
>>332197295
>>332205443
Take this card for example.
the (8) cost can be payed with ANY mana of any color (including colorless). the two <> can ONLY be payed with colorless mana.
>>332198440
In always prefer standard. Its nice to keep up a rotation, stops it getting stale.
>>332205602
Card games are a retarded money sink. There's a reason I only play the vidya versions of them.
Why can't Wizards make a half decent magic game?
>>332197295
It's a difference between how colorless mana was represented in costs and in abilities that generated mana.
Since the beginning of time, a (3) in a cards cost meant that 3 generic mana (mana of any kind) was required to cast the card. If a land produced (3) mana, the mana it produced was not "generic" mana, it was colorless mana. Wizards decided that having the same symbol for generic mana costs and colorless mana creation was confusing, and added a symbol to the game to represent colorless mana.
With this additional symbol, they've also introduced the first cards that require specifically colorless (as opposed to generic) mana to cast. Thought-Knot Seer posted above is one of these cards, requiring 3 generic and 1 colorless mana to cast. I hope that helps.
>>332198478
Glory is still to this day my favourite piece of card art. It does seems to have gone down hill.
>>332204961
Khans was a asian themed set, specifically, Mongolia, India and China, plus some middle-eastish stuff with the Abzan.
Basically that whole region of asia.
>>332205442
>it's a play the newest weeb card game for a couple of months then forget about it episode
When will you people learn?
>>332203169
Why does it need giant moon runes saying emerald break when it says what it does below? Is the sound of emerald break actually emerald break?
>>332197295
>>332205790
Old cards that said "Add (1) to your mana pool" are basically re-written to say "Add <> to your mana pool"
>>332205453
Since I like to play mono green in standard and I don't have many answers for a lot of shit I just maximum ramp and with this card it pretty much resets the field so I can pump fat creatures while having the chance to make moves again. Really fucks up others if they just run something like 21 lands or they don't have that many cards.
Works even better if you can put a shit ton of stuff on the field or draw a lot. it counts tokens as being shuffled into the deck so having shit like whisper wood elemental increasing how many cards you will draw. You need to run a lot of lands or else you can screw yourself.
If you want to take it the next step further there are combos like using a cards that banish like isolation zone or hedron alignment because when those cards leave the cards they banished come in the field regardless of the great aurora so it guarantees you having something big to swing with.
Or it's just one giant stall that lets you deep draw into your deck for "that" card what ever it may be that you're running, but for green. It's just fun.
>>332205442
>playing that piece of shit
You know something is wrong with the game when majority of the top players only use Reflect/Refrain.
Call me when they fix that crap.
So how the fuck do these threads manage to avoid 404s?
