What a terrible piece of garbage.
Is this the worst traditional Mario ever made? Seems so to me.
>>332183541
In by book it's tied with 3D Land for most bland and lifeless. I know 3D Land was the first game to try and combine the 2D and 3D formulas, but it really didn't do anything for me
and this is coming from someone who really enjoyed 3D World
It wasn't a bad game by any stretch of the imagination, but it certainly was a bland and blatant cash-in.
NSMBU is the only game in the series worth playing, to be frank.
I liked Wii less, I don't think I even finished it. NSMB2 is pretty bland though, would have rather they'd tried Super Princess Peach 2 instead.
>>332183623
But 3D Land is a good game.
>>332183839
I don't even care about the lack of imagination, but that fucking level design. Holy shit.
Did they even try?
>>332183839
Dude, I couldn't do NSMBU. The game was just too goddamn boring. To me, the only one worth playing is the standalone Luigi expansion, and maybe the first NSMB on the DS, though it's been a long time since I played it so I could be wrong.
>>332184107
I don't have a source to back this up, but I remember reading prior to the game's release that most of the level designers were just first-timers that were just given premade assets to build with to train them for a "real" Mario game.
>>332184212
NSMB DS had some good ideas that they never came back to, but is just as uninspired as the games that follow it.
I still to this day cannot fathom why they used two generic Toads for NSMB Wii/U. With so many characters to pick from (and Nintendo doesn't shy away from making new ones usually either) why go with literal nobodies?
>>332184805
It's like the Sonic games. Using anyone other than the main cast would be taking a chance, and if they're making good money, why take any chances?
>>332184965
>who is Rosalina
>who is Nabbit
It's still an issue but you're exaggerating it.
It's just boring. Then again almost no modern Main Mario tittles have interest in a while now.
>>332185261
They don't look interesting since Nintendo's marketing is dogshite, but there's a lot of good games you've missed. Like NSMBU and the exceptional SM3DW
>>332183541
Coins and lives are outdated mechanic that have no need to exist anymore.
Making a whole game about one of them was retarded in the first place.
>>332184805
$$$
>>332185423
Guess I could check them out when I have more time for them someday.
there is no significant difference between the 2D Mario games. Can any of you explain why we need so many and how one could objectively worse than another when gameplay hasn't progressed in 20 years
>>332185783
The core gameplay has remained the same, but not the level design and overall aesthetic.
>>332185721
Just keep in mind that 3D World takes a while to get good. For the first few worlds its level design is really boring.
>39.99$+ for an ultra 2d side scrolling game
>>332185904
Hm. Okay then I'll keep that in mind too.
>>332185721
3D World in particular has a lot of really nice environmental effects. I loved the look of some of the levels with rain. Shame their marketing often focuses on the same generic grasslands and lava/castle. Also, 3D Land on 3DS has loads of content, even if some of the latter is just remixes. 3D Land is one of my top Mario games.
>>332185783
The powerups such as Yoshi, cape, tail, helicopter-hat, etc can really change things up. But the real difference is LEVEL DESIGN. Good mechanics will only carry you so far on shitty levels. Good levels make the power ups more interesting and more useful. If you have ever played Mario Maker and experienced the highs and lows of Mario level designs you'd know how important level design is for that series.
>>332183541
Hating this game became such a shitty meme.
The game is really solid. Level design is really good.
>>332183541
it is the first mediocre Mario platformer I have played.
I was like, I cant believe how mediocre this game is. It is also the only New Super Mario Bros game I have played.
>>332183541
>More hardcore than Meat Boy
>Better art
Sorry anon you're just an ill informed faggot
>>332186123
Lol yeah fuck this meme
Literally one of the best Marios
How come people say this game is a complete rehash? Only assets and maybe the soundtrack were reused. Everything else was new for the content: Coin Rush, leaf being brought back, new powerup, new level design, secret worlds...
People say it's the worst Mario game, when I thought it was a solid 7/10 game: nothing really great to expect, but can still being a good fun game.
>>332183541
Yes, it was very uninspired or rather "basic."
>There were way they could have utilized the coin gimmick better
>Most enemy additions were "Dry [insert legacy Mario enemy here]"
>Look, Reznor's back...in a game mostly riding SMB3's coattails
>A broken version of the Fire Flower is the only new power-up
>Getting to the secret areas requires autoscroll bullshit but at least you can cheese it with the Leaf.
Even Wii and U at least took a bit of a care with the backdrops and environmental elements and the original had level design worthy of 3 and World's caliber. Something about NSMB2 felt too "safe" if I could put it in words, like there wasn't much of a difficulty curve or a point where new elements are slowly introduced for the player to grasp, it just felt like everyone had a homework assignment of designing Mario levels based on their past experiences with the series and they just threw them all together with no rhyme or reason.
>>332185601
This. Coins in the original SMB games and 3 had value because they were scarce and racking up extra lives required some finesse. If you died, that meant starting over if you DIDN'T know the continue code OR in the case of SMB3, you lost progress. Ever since World, your progression was marked by castles and forts you topples and since Yoshi's Island they SAVED your extra lives.
It almost feels like dying doesn't have as much impact as it should in a Mario game. Hell, seeing the gameover screen in 3D World almost feels like an Easter Egg at this point.
>>332186890
You make a good point. Being the worst Mario game doesn't mean you have to be a 2/10 game. NSMB2 might not be my favorite by a long shot, but it's still decent.
We could have had this.
>>332186982
>pic related isn't a 2/10 game
>>332183839
I agree.
>>332187062
EAD had no reason to care about Wario and Wario games follow a different structure than Mario platformers.
>>332183839
The original NSMB on the DS was pretty fun to be honest
>>332187159
I have not played it yet, but from what I have seen, SMB Special would have been great if it weren't launched for an computer that handled scrolling and input time differently from NES's power.
>>332187686
>and Wario games follow a different structure than Mario platformers.
That's true. Well besides the first Land game but still.
>>332187686
>EAD had no reason to care about Wario
I have no reason to care about this comment.
>>332186898
>A broken version of the Fire Flower is the only new power-up
And Cape was a broken version of Leaf, along with Ice Flower being better than Fire Flower. What's your point?
>>332187974
That was literally how it works though. Wario came and was handled from a different division.
Who needs those new shitty Mario games when you have Rayman Origins/Legends?>tfw no new game ever
lost levels or 2 if you want to call it that is worse.you can tell me to git gud or whatever but they're certainly are more than a few traps you couldn't possibly know about beforehand in it.
>>332188225
>Rayman
>Plays like a shitty Mario game
Rayman is actually worse
>>332188225
Why not both? They have fairly different qualities.
>>332188225
>even Rayman bloats the roster with two of the same character
>>332188225
these games are pretty fucking weak.
1. softmod your wii/download dolphin
2. get newer super mario bros off the internet
3. play that on it
4. thank me later
>>332183541
It wasn't bad. But fucking horribly bland compared to older mario titles. Each mario platformer up until NSMB Wii is unique and has its own style, I really hate how they've been recycling models and music in the most recent games.
>>332188598wah wah
>>332188318
As a guy who played Mario gamed until 3D Land, no
Origins was a lot better than modern 2D mario games, probably at the same level than SMB3 or World. Never played Legends though
>>332188729
I felt Legends wasn't as good.
>>332184107
>But 3D Land is a good game.
It is not.
>>332188563
Thanks but no thanks after my dumb friend got his console brinked when trying something like this.
>>332188729
Origins isn't even a great game, at best it's good, Dong Freeze is a better game at is worst than Origins at it's best.
>>332188729
nu-rayman is pretty shit, friend anon. it's less of a free-form platformer and more of one of those mobile endless runner games, where the right way to play it is to always run, jump in certain spots, and follow the line of those yellow bug things. it's no surprise that nu-rayman was ported to mobile very sucessfully. it really has no depth as a platformer.
>>332183839
>Play NSMBU
>About two or three levels in, get access to a balloon Yoshi that can infinitely fly through the level
>Cheese my way through every level with him until somewhere in world 3
I am so glad I got this as a Club Nintendo reward and didn't pay for this garbage. At least other flying Mario powerups either didn't last as long or required good timing to use effectively. This thing was just pressing R to inflate and that was it.
>>332190682
That's like complaining about the Gold Tanooki suit in 3D World. You don't have to use it.
>>332190682
>At least other flying Mario powerups either didn't last
Cape.
>>332187739
This
Despite the NSMB shitposting and recycling, NSMB2 was still good on it's own right
The coin collecting focus and Coin rush especially was fun as fuck
>>>Implying you didn't buy the DLC
No doubt it's still the blandest game in the series but it was still fun regardless
>>332183839
NSMB on DS as well given that it doesn't have Koopaling bosses and the best Perot up in existance of Blue Shell
>>332192149
The gold tanooki suit in 3D World doesn't help you in levels that require precise Platforming though, it's just invincibility
The ballon Yoshi breaks the fucking game
>>332193403
My point stands. If it breaks the game, don't use it.
>>332193403
Breaking or not the game, you're not forced to use it. Don't like it, don't use it. It's just there for who likes it.
>>332193993
If you have to intentionally gimp yourself to make a game good it's garbage.
See: The last few gens of Pokemon
>>332188545
Gotta agree. Haven't liked any of the ones I tried.
>>332194402
Don't play SMW then, you'll be livid
>>332183623
This
3D Land was still a good game
But the areas were absolutely generic and terrible
The only good places were Bowser's Castle and the 8bit Sprite canon level
And even then 3D World has both of those and more
