Murdered for profit over customer satisfaction
>>332137404
>cant afford 15$ a month to play swtor
Must be shit being a poorfag
WoW and XIV are pretty much the only things still kicking.
>>332138078
I can afford it...just don't wanna pay $15 for 2 hours of content
>>332137404
Any ARPG MMOs available in the west? Like Monster Hunter Frontier / Online in Japan/China.
>>332138281
>8 stories plus expansions, side missions, raid and pvp
>2 hours
Ok
>>332138440
I have completed every single expansion, every class story, all advance classes. Fuck raids and fuck pvp. So yes, 2 hours.
>>332138934
Time to buy Battlefront senpai.
>2016
>MMOs
Stop.
This is BEYOND sad at this point.
>>332137404
>mfw they announce they are basically cancelling new legendary weapons because it's too hard
What the fuck happened to A.net? They used to pump out full games in 6 months and now adding fucking weapons to a game is too much for them to handle?
>>332139260
no eric, no guildwars. That man was a one man workhorse
>>332139280
I have never played gw1. Will the controls be hard to adapt to?
GW2 is f2p now?
How do they justify that to people who paid.
>>332139447
it looks like trash but the controls are easy to get used to
>mmo without monthly fees
enjoy your once a year meaningful content updates and RMT spam out the fucking ass.
>>332139545
"You enjoyed it for 2 years, take this free outfit"
>>332139545
they gave "veterans" an ugly ass outfit
>>332139545
What's worse is that they made the switch when the Expansion came out. They packed in a GW2 base account and charged $59.99 for the Expansion. People who already own the base game did not get any special price.
Maximum Jew.
>>332137404
>No monthly fee
>Murdered for profit
I never played GW1 but I played GW2 and its a very enjoyable game. No mindless grinding like other games to pad the game for more profits and the PvP and WvW in GW2 is fun. Unfortunately the game is run by SJWs but that doesn't make the game any less fun.
I think GW2 gets a bad wrap unlike SWTOR which deserves all the shit it gets because it ruined my favorite universe of all time KOTOR. If EA just stopped being Jews for ONE SECOND and gave us KOTOR 3 I would be so happy but they ruined everything and gave us the trash that was TOR along with a monthly sub fee LMAO.
>>332139753
They charged $50-100(I was a cuck and paid 100) for an expansion with barely half of the promised content.
>>332139260
The guy who was primarily in charge (colin johanson) basically fucked everything up. He was awful at management, what should be prioritized, and getting things done efficiently.
He got fired a few weeks back so another guy is now temporarily stepping in and trying to fix this fucking mess, which is why he posted saying they're cancelling legendaries for now, so he can try get shit back on track.
It's hilarious just how awful and big of a mess this whole game is. Fucking colin made everyone work on the expansion so the normal game was left with a content drought for a year, finally released the expansion which was rushed as fuck so there is very little content with it. Over half the shit they said would be in the expansion was still being made and released at a later time, but colin was so stupid he made half of the devs start working on ANOTHER expansion instead of current content which is why litetally nothing has got done at all except an extra raid wing of only 3 bosses in over a year now.
Being an mmo fan is suffering
Pretty much everything is shit
>>332140114
Try being an RTS fan.
>>332137404
Black Desert
Tree of Savior
>>332140031
Can it be saved at this point? Sounds like Colin fucked things up in a legendary manner.
FFXIV is the only good modern MMO today that's not dead.
>>332140187
There have been good games recently tho
Deserts of Kharak
Grey Goo
>>332140212
>Tree of Savior
That camera angle is grounds for immediate alt-f4
Try Warhammer: Age of ReckoningOh, wait ;_;
>>332137404
The standalone version of Wurm is alright, comfy if you like building stuff and sandboxes.
>>332137404
>>332140346
>Grey Goo
>>332139753
Gw2 had anti farming from the start to prevent their rmah from collapsing.
Red flag that the game was shit
>>332140287
Doubtful. The only way the game can really be saved or redeemed at this point is if this guy or whoever else they get in charge (he said he was only in charge temporarily for now) actually gets everything in order and just puts it all into the next expansion so they actually have a full expansion when they release it.
That's still risky as fuck though because who the hell is going to pay for another expansion after the bullshit that they've been through?
MMOs are dead.
>>332140212
>archeage clone
>ragnarok clone
nope
>>332140212
Both are shit.
>tfw u wanna play some shit with your friends
>they aren't richfags and neither am I
>we don't have that much time anyway so we want to settle for f2p shit
>EVERYTHING sucks
goddamnit man I want to return to the old days where we played those shitty f2p MMORPGs and had fun with them
everything is so bland and samey now
>>332140854
MMORPGs will probably become a pretty niche thing in a few years.
>>332139990
Yikes you payed for the collectors edition sorry anon. It sucks that people who owned the game had to buy it again for Heart of Thorns lets hope the next expansion doesn't come out for a while.
>>332140542
But constant farming is SO BORING. Most games with sub fees only do it so people can keep paying monthly before they reach max lv and get board. Its fun to get do lv 80 get some cool armor and start kicking ass in pvp without having to mindlessly grind for month's or YEARS. The think that really pisses my off about GW2 is hero points 400 points to max prestige class fuck that shit.
Right now its WoW (I know) and ESO for me.
Gonna buy the starter pack for TOS tomorrow so there's that to look forward to.
My biggest gripe is how I hate playing alone but hate playing with my friends even more. They all suck for some reason and its like this in every game.
Leveling up to 45 in BnS AGAIN on another sever because one of the people in my classes told me that he plays on Taywon.
Pic related is the only thing I can stand to play alone for more than an hour each day.And it fucking sucks too.
I love how everyone is saying that MMOs are dead yet MMOs like EVE, FFXIV, Lineage II, and more are still thriving.
I just picked up ARR. Is a monk any good, and what are the tanking classes?
>>332137404
Black Desert if you can handle a grind
>>332141112
Gw1 had mindless farming uw,fow,raptors,shadows,fff
For those sexy elite armors
Gw2 has literally nothing
Anet hated the idea of farming even though it was the best part of the game
rip in peace
>>332141527
Every time they tried to kill the current farming build of the month players just made a new one until A.net gave up.
It was glorious.
>>332141254
>MMOs are thriving
>lists dead MMOs
>Doesn't list WoW, the only MMO still doing well
/v/ never changes
>>332140751
I doubt a GW2 player could say that
>>332140291
I actually have an account but don't feel like paying the monthly fee cause I'll feel obligated to play it
>buy GW and expansions before GW2 launch to get the bonuses
>game is actually quite fun
>GW2 launches
>stop playing it after a month
>>332141527
GW2 has crafting but it looks like shit so I never touch it. I agree they should add in some sick elite armor or something its really easy to get top stat exotic armor in the game.
>>332142027
This is why we need IDs. I want to play black desert but I wanna try it before I buy it.
>>332142369
Not him but he's right, it's shit.
>>332141848
All three of those MMOs still have tens of thousands of players playing right now.
FFXIV has servers that are so full that you can't create characters on them unless you wake up at 4am.
play wildstar
How in the fuck did they fuck up adding new legendaries. Another half-assed feature thanks to the same mismanagement thats been fucking up the game for the past three years.
Remember him?
>>332145545
Treezus of the Grove. He deserved better.
>>332145390
>Jan 2015-October 2015 no content
>November-presentno content unless you raid.
Fucking unacceptable
Imagine if GW2 had an actual replacement for the holy trinity or just the classic holy trinity.
>each class would actually feel different
>no more berserker everyone Zerg dps meta.
>>332145997
It's kinda funny how people insisted the liberation of the holy trinity would make GW2 better, but in the end, most classes feels and plays the same with ever so slight deviation.
>>332145997
This is what hurt the game for me. Im somebody that loves grinding out dungeons for loot and XP. But in GW2 they were so fucking boring cause it was just "Stack zerker and stand on each other" And all the loot is shit in that game. 99% of the time you just get items you salvage without even looking at it.
Its too bad cause i loved playing the Reaper class in the expansion. But when there is nothing you want to do you kinda just stop playing.
>>332140519
The fuck am I reading?
>>332146179
Why was the trinity so demonized anyway?
>>332145545
What a fucking nightmare
>The entire marketing campaign goes to ludicrous lengths to explain GW2 is YOUR STORY
>Whoops it's actually THIS guy's story!
>Shows up out of nowhere for everyone that isn't gay lettuce people and all your companions start ignoring you to suck his dick because they're old besties
>Your mentor dies and you get saddled with this cunt instead
>Leafy Water Tart hands him magical chosen one sword he did nothing to earn
>Becomes leader of all the factions and you're his roadie that constantly sucks his dick and tells him he's perfect. You're literally forced to by the dialogue.
>Takes credit for all the plans you make and all the legwork YOU do and he played zero part in, and everyone praises him and ignores you
Was there ever a larger failure in MMO stories? Did the devs ever comment on how universally despised Trahearne was? He read like somebody's goddamned fanfiction
>>332146649
Dude is fucking NOTHING compared to Scarlet though. She's 10 times worse.
>>332140519
Jesus, is this supposed to be journalism?
>>332146594
Because people felt like they were forced into roles picking certain classes.
>>332146727
I admit I never even made it to Scarlet before I gave up on the game. How bad was she?
>>332146649
I'm pretty sure everyone hated him aside of some projecting faggots.
>>332137404
GW2 was never alive.
>>332146594
It wanted to be 2edgy and do something different. As it turns out, the classic healer/frontline/damage was so used because it worked well. GW2 also drew a lot of players who didn't play mmos in, and it capitalized on their anti-mainstream mentality.
Since you have shit taste in vidya, I recommend pretty much any other mmo on the market without monthly fees.
>GW1 had one of the overall most balanced and versatile skill systems despite only 8 slots
>GW2 each class has one viable healing skill, and 6 or 7 skills that are actually useable with locked weapon skills
Why did they scrap the best skill system known to man and turn to current piece of shit?Why did they cancel Utopia for GW2?
>>332148071
I mean I liked GW1 a lot, but surely a better skill system exists. 8 skills was nice in 2005 but I'm not retarded anymore.
>>332147962
>Why did they cancel Utopia for GW2?
Jumping puzzles. I wish I was joking.
>>332147962
Oh please massa, enlighten us lowly slaves on these personal computer Nintendo games.
Why do people insist on only playing Free to Play mmos? Is $50 for a B2P game too much? Or is $15/month for P2P games too much to afford?
>>332148306
The jumping puzzles are only fun the first time.
>>332141112
> The think that really pisses my off about GW2 is hero points 400 points to max prestige class fuck that shit.
it's like half that.
>>332148248
It was actually good since you had to pick skills strategically and sometimes you could get passive bonuses.
>>332148071
>Why did they scrap the best skill system known to man and turn to current piece of shit?
Because everyone kept repeating "ACTION COMBAT!" over and over again and they wanted some of that fadmoney.I want to find a way to get to the timeline where GW1 got a Utopia xpac
>>332148762
It was good for teamplay and experimenting with builds you made yourself was fun, it just wouldn't be stimulating today after having played a dozen other MMOs that offered 30+ abilities at once.
>>332148698
250 now
>>332140287
Well, they've alienated the GW1 fanbase, and they're well on their way to alienating the GW2 fanbase.
I guess we'll still have the memories.
>>332148071
> one viable healing skill
Literally only true for warrior and engineer.
>Use elite specs to advertise xpac without mentioning the hilarious SP requirement
>Use Legendaries to advertise xpac and cancel 80% of them
>Use raids to advertise the xpac without mentioning how garbage they are or that they'll kill off old content to try and force players to do them
>Use masteries to advertise xpac without mentioning that they're literally just "We gated Hero Points behind XP grinding"
>Use new Zones to advertise xpac without mentioning that they're literally just tiny areas where the meta happens and a bunch of shit that is totally fucking irrelevant
>Use the promise of new gear skins to advertise xpac without mentioning that 99.99% of them will be in the cash shop even though they charged for an xpac
So Heart of Throrns is literally just "Broken Promises Online", right?
>>332148821
We all do Anon, we all do.
>>332149414
seems like someone needs to git gudj/k dont play gw2
>>332149373
>>332140287
>>332140031
>>332139260
Well shit this is news to me. I have barely been paying attention, haven't even touched raids in GW2 but I was curious.
>>332139545
Yeah, they kinda screwed people over. I waited a little bit and used christmas gift money to buy it.
>>332146823
Don't worry anon. Haven't you heard? Hulk Hogan won.
>>332146649
Yeah. Traherp is dead now though... kinda wish he wasn't an 'oh so special' member of his race, but rather your sidekick. A squire of some form that you take under your wing a sort of 'passing the torch'.
Maybe I'm in the minority, and maybe it's rose-tinted glasses, but I liked GW1 because I could grind a character up to max level and get him ready for any kind of content the game had within 15-20 hours of gameplay, whereas in GW2, you need 40 hours just to get to the level cap, and 40 more hours to grind the mats needed for your zerker armor or whatever the meta's demanding these days. It would be tedious even if I weren't a wageslave.
>>332150285
You're not in the minority, the ease of actually getting into GW1 was one of its biggest draws even at the time. It provided challenging content with an almost non-existent barrier to entry for nearly every level of time dedication, which was easily its largest strength and one that was forsaken in GW2 because, according to Anet, Playtesters from WoW said it didn't feel as good to have 20 levels, they wanted 80.
>>332140031
Wait, Colin got sacked? Really?
>>332150757
Officially, he quit.
Based off leaks and Glass Door, he was strongly suggested to fucking leave to save the company face
>>332150954
Wow. I honestly have to say i'm pleasantly suprised. I'm a die-hard GW1 fan and the only reason i log into GW2 is that my missus plays it. I hope things get better after his departure.
>>332144878
Only the top 3 meme servers, which hold around 5k players each, so about 15k players, big whoop. The rest of the servers barely hit 500k people at once if they're lucky and that's the rest of the legacy servers, bottom of the barrel servers barely hit 100 people online.
>>332151083
They probably will, Mike seems to have a good head on his shoulders and had the decency to come out and eat the backlash he knew would be coming, even encouraged people to be mad about the legendary thing because he would be in the same situation.
Still, he's coming into power at the worst possible time, he'll be remembered as "the guy who fucked GW2 up I miss Colin :C" unless he performs a miracle, even though Colin 'Five Sigs is Not Enough' Johanson was the one who set the house on fire.
>>332144878
>FFXIV has servers that are so full that you can't create characters on them unless you wake up at 4am.
Oh fuck off with that, everyone is keenly aware that that restriction only exists because the 11's always, ALWAYS skimp on server tech.I'm really enjoying the game, but the only times I ever see anyone else out in the world is when I'm Ul'dah to laugh at bad RP or a 30-50 fate farming group.Also, unrelated, but fuck everyone who told me that the OGCD abilities would make the combat feel any faster, you were all fucking liars, this combat is slower and less responsive than NWN.
>>332151491
>he fell for the shills
Everything "good" you hear about XIV is a shill lie, it's no wonder since its hack director is the biggest fucking liar of them all.
>>332151726
Nah, like I said, I'm enjoying it so far in spite of how bad the combat feels at times.I wish the DRK 50 quest hadn't been spoiled for me, not that it wasn't obvious from nearly the beginning. I really hope that 4.0 brings some revisions to the GCD and how Skill/Spell speed scales and interacts with things
>>332150285
It's obvious enough that they fucked up royally in this regard by looking at the majority of zones and seeing them completely dead.
>>332152338
>looking at the majority of zones and seeing them completely dead.
And that sucks, because Orr and other high-level zones are pretty much unplayable if you're the only person around for miles.
>>332137404
Never played GW 1 so I don't know that pain but this game was still incredibly boring. By far the stupidest thing was tying your active abilities to your weapon. I was at level 30 something when I realized I had used the same exact rotation since I was level 10.
They managed to completely kill any sense that your character is progressing or growing stronger.
>>332151726
that costume is actually pretty fuckin baller
did he have a giant mage hat to go with it?
>>332152620
I think the weapon skills was an okay ideabut it should have had 1-3 options to pick for your 1 and 2 options for each other slot. The idea of everyone having a heal skill that you have no choice in is far worse than the weapons, too bh fampai
>>332139260
Link? I gave up on gw2 since HoT which I consider a fucking achievement hanging on to the last little half a droplet of hope for so long.
Nigga did they really cancel the remaining legendary weapons and still shit out new cash shop costumes and weapons every other fucking week? Im so mad
>>332155247
>Nigga did they really cancel the remaining legendary weapons and still shit out new cash shop costumes and weapons every other fucking week?
Yes.
https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Legendary-weapons-6/first
Black
Desert
>>332155493
>This team of developers will instead shift their efforts back to Living World style content
Wow it's fucking nothing.
>>332155740
is
bad
>>332146594
Marketing
>>332146594Because people blamed the Trinity for their long queue times in WoW and blizzard had fucked up in the PR about it and Anet reacted to what was at the time a huge outcry that died almost immediately.
>>332155493
Kek I'm reading through this and its the first time I've seen on the gw2 forums where arena drones are completely outnumbered so much so they aren't deleting posts. This game is fucking dead hopefully gw1 servers stay up indefinitely so I can replay it once a year or so.
>>332146594
I didn't really see it as being demonized so much as "we can do it better without the trinity," and to be fair they kind of had a precedent with Guild Wars 1 where you didn't really have much of a tank in the traditional sense, but of course they fucked it up by completely butchering the skill system and generally atrocious overall balance with shitty content.
>>332158039
>and to be fair they kind of had a precedent with Guild Wars 1 where you didn't really have much of a tank in the traditional sense
Please do not comment on GW1 if you have never played it, you just make the rest of us cringe.
>>332158179
I played the game extensively you fucking retard, there were "tanks" but it wasn't a case of always needing 1 tough guy to grab the attention of every enemy.
>>332158364
Frontline served the same purpose as a tank within the context of GW1which meant that Necromancers actually had multiple forms of "tanking" in MM builds, draining builds, and weird gimmick defense builds. This should have been the design philosophy of GW2, not the insanity of "EVERYONE IS A DPS WITH A HEAL AND MAYBE SOME MORE ARMOR"
>>332137404
Nostalrius
>>332139753
no mindless grinding? bitch you haven't played this game.
>>332158875
>Shitty Version of the Shittiest version of WoW
No thank you, Mr. Shillowitz!
>>332159153
>shilling free game
>shittiest version while it's one with actual challenge
you're the one obviously paid for opinion you mesmer transfaggot, go buy premioum HoT for 99€ goy
>>332139753
>No mindless grinding like other games
Haha, holy shit. Do you even understand what grinding is?
>>332158657
I mean, the idea was generally to have a tougher party member pull shit so that they would take initial aggro and usually they would have some defensive skills and/or crowd control (my main was an Earthshaker warrior so I know this pretty well), but then after that point it often became a clusterfuck (especially on larger pulls) because there was no super reliable method of just tanking everything with 1 guy all the time.
I understand that was a tank within the context of GW1, but it was still different from most other games and that was the damn point I was making.
>>332145135
Dude, Wildstar is on it's deathbed. When I logged in 2 days ago after a couple months the PvP server was gone.
>>332139545
>GW2 is f2p now?
>How do they justify that to people who paid.
They didn't even bother trying, anon. The hilarious part is that new players could get the original game and the expansion both at the same price as the expansion alone cost for older players.
GW2 is almost the perfect example of a "great potential" game being ruined by its horrendous developers, I only played a little of GW1 (when I was a tween) and I've heard ANet was a much different company back then but now they're by far the worst team I've ever seen in charge of a major title. From what I understand a lot of the original alpha dev team left ANet before shipment which definitely explains a lot.
Quit a long while before the expansion was released, got sick and tired of every patch making the game even worse (especially in PvP/WvW) and finally threw in the towel.
>>332159519
Deathbed implies that it's still raggedly breathing. I tried to queue up today, and out of curiosity kept myself from going AFK to see how long it would take.
I gave up after 14 hours.Full disclosure, this was a low level dungeon queue as a tank, but that's still inexcusable and means there's 0 growth and plenty of loss. Shit's dead, and we should all hope the HARDCORE EXCLUSIVE CONTENT FUCK CASUALS dogma dies with it.
>>332145135
I tried it when it went free and found it to be surprisingly decent, but didn't find it engaging enough to slog through the leveling process. The few dungeons that I did were not too bad, but I still just got bored; I think most of it has to do with combat being essentially all about boring, telegraphed AoE attacks.
>>332139092
>Be 2030
>Still playing Everquest
Stay buttmad
>>332152629
Yes.
How's Black Desert panning out? I'm curious but don't want to blindly buy it.
>>332160110
Pretty shittily. You still have the occasional drone buzzing around, but it's not great. Expect it going full f2p by the end of the year, feel free to try it then.
>>332160207
Expect it going full f2p by the end of the year, feel free to try it then
That's actually great news, man.
But I'm curious why it's falling flat. It's a true sandbox MMO from what I keep hearing, what could possibly go wrong?
>>332160471
Because"Sandbox MMO" is a meme that CCP's marketing pushed so hard that we're still dealing with the fallout, even now. People don't actually want a Sandbox. they might like sandbox elements, most people do, but a "true sandbox" mmo is destined to fail each and every single time.
Honestly the entire MMO industry is shit.
I find the best way to satisfy the MMO itch without paying for and playing a dying/dead game is to just play rust. Most servers and the server I play on wipes every thursday, it has its own community that mostly stays constant, clan drama, etc.
>>332160624
But dude,then why is EVE still afloat? And why is /v/ so relentless in their pursuit to find their dream sandbox MMO?
>I loved Wow
>Wanted to try out something new
>Bought gw2 hot
I'm level 20 now and the game is boribg as fuck. Will it get better?
>>332157314
>tfw lost my GW1 IDs
>>332160819
>why is EVE still afloat?
Because the drama is so hilariously stupid to watch that it's a self-sustaining advertisment engine. People want to see it from the ground floor, up close.And people are still falling for the "Sandboxes are better than Themeparks because reasons" advertising from years ago.
>why is /v/ so relentless in their pursuit to find their dream sandbox MMO?
Because a lot of /v/ anons like to think of them as above the casual vidya player, and CCP's marketing tactic of "Theme parks are for kids and grandmas, play a REAL mmo!" played directly into that ego.
Try not to think about how poorly CCP is doing and has been doing for years, how they're hemorrhaging money from every hole, and how long their big projects get delayed before being cancelled once everyone forgets about them, or how the only long-term successfulin modern termsMMOs have been those much reviled theme parks, CCP sure hopes you don't
>>332160892
>Will it get better?
>>332160892
No. 20 - 80 is the exact same as 1 - 20. And I really mean that. You'll be fighting the same enemies in the same looking zones doing the exact same sorts of quests for gear that looks the exact same as the stuff you already have.
>>332160892
What you are playing now is basically what you'll be playing until 80, sorry.
Try other classes if you feel like that's teh issue, but honestly the game is just sub-par. Instead of improving the base game, they decided to work on a bunch of shit no one gave a fuck about, so none of them feel particularly great anyway.
>>332161116
I don't want a sandbox?
Then what do I want? ;;
>>332161506
No, you don't want a sandbox, at least probably. Most people who think they want a sandbox actually mean "I want a game with an in-depth player economy", or "I want GvG", or "I want a really big open world to explore", it's rarely "I want a game that has no guidance on what to do and everyone just sort of dicks off to do whatever", which is what 'sandbox' means in an MMO context.
As far as what you actually want, sorry man, I don't know you. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd saya fun video game
>>332160946
>tfw lost my GW1 IDs
They're actually pretty good about giving you these back, anon, I remember mailing them and literally saying I remember nothing other than some vague character names and I still managed to get my old login back.
Maplestory desu. We're finally gonna get 5th job
>>332150954
>Based off leaks and Glass Door, he was strongly suggested to fucking leave to save the company face
Oh boy this is too good to be true!
Any sources?
Please?
