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I want to buy a PS4 and I don't give a fuck about 4k. What are the odds of new releases being 4.5 only and not being able to run on regular PS4?
I hope the price drop for the regular PS4 is going to be bigger than 50 bucks.
>>332088270
literally a coin-toss
the potential benefit of the ps4k is that older games might be patched to run at 60 on it
>>332088270
>entire point behind a console is consistent hardware allowing for predictable perf
>people genuinely think there's going to be some massively upgraded ps4 coming out
ITT: delusion
It'll be a ps4 slim just like the ps3 slim and the ps2 slim.
>>332088270
Probably it's gonna be a PS4 slim with 4k output.
>>332088612
if half-gen console updates become a thing I'm just going to stop upgrading my pc altogether, this is a much better option
but we literally need to wait and see how they approach it. there are a million questions.
they could do it jewy or they could do it cool. coin toss.
>>332088270
>What are the odds of new releases being 4.5 only and not being able to run on regular PS4?
About 0.01%. PS4 is selling like hot cakes. Only idiot or blasted PCuck would think they will drop support for it.
>>332088713
>thread merely asking questions
>delusional
>>332088713
SO IT WONT RUN GAMES AT 60 FPS?!
>>332088860
Yeah but if the new console gets better fps I'll wait but not a fucking year for it.
Don't know how they'll do that they gonna have to unlock games but oh well
>>332088453
I already have a PC to play the multiplats at 60 fps. I don't mind playing the exclusives at 30 or whatever the fuck they are as long as I'm paying as little as I can to playBloodborne.
>>332088270
>What are the odds of new releases being 4.5 only and not being able to run on regular PS4?
Literally none.
PS4K won't have any significant hardware changes, barring a UHD blu ray player.
It's a slim revision, nothing more. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
>>332089085
>I already have a PC to play the multiplats at 60 fps.
If you talk about constant 60fps I would say you lie considering how shitty optimization PC ports have.
>>332089128
>>332088860
>b-but the new3ds
>>332089213
Some games, others I get something in between 45 and 60, in which case I manually lock it at 45 because I hate fps variation.
Really though, my PC could be a lot better so I don't doubt people are actually playing everything at 60.
I just came in to say doesn't it make more sense to brand it the 'PS4K'?
>>332089525
really few considering price of such hardware
>>332089536
that's confirmed to be the internal name. See the eurogame article.
>>332089294
Even that only has one exclusive in the form of a port and an emulator that isn't even as good as it's homebrew counterpart.
>>332090031
>Eurogamer article
>anything but speculation
Try reading the article first, shit for brains.
>>332090216
>we have independently established that it's real and that Sony's R&D labs have prototype devices, and we also have more than one source referring to it as PlayStation 4K
good enough for me
>>332089687
Even then, locked 45 is miles ahead of locked 30. And locked 30 is light years ahead of 30 with drops.
And like I said, my PC could be a lot better so I can't talk for everyone.
>>332089213
>being this assblasted and having this much of an axe to grind against PC
>>332088270
I don't care about 4k, VR or framerate/performance so I can't see how they would improve the console any further.
PS4.5 is going to end up like the SEGA 32X. A half measure with a limited install base that will be dropped when PS5 comes out.
>>332090876
pretty much every major release this gen has had huge performance and optimization issues on PC
if not that, then you have to install fucking Uplay/Origin
no thanks. i'll be over here popping a disc into my console.
>>332091030
>when PS5 comes out.
Yeah, in 8 years.
It depends on whether the early PS4 models can be upgraded or not.
>>332091126
You keep talking about optimzation issues while ignoring that this >>332090570 is still very much true.
Really though, having just a ps4 is ok the way I see it. Having just a PC is not. To me PC is a luxury so you can play multiplats way better, and that's it. You need something alongside it to make sure you get to play more games.
>>332089213
I think certain ubisoft games have skewed your perspective a bit.
>>332091132
>In 8 years
If it's going to take that long to get PS5 out, then PS4.5 is going to even worse. It means it's actually going to be a fairly significant upgrade.
>>332090541
They go on to give three different outcomes for what it might be, they literally don't know anymore than we do.
>consoles get upgrades now
Take that PCfats. PC is done for now that you can upgrade consoles.
>>332091717
You fucking muppet. They aren't going to let you upgrade individual components like a PC. They are going to make you upgrade the whole thing.
It's all the negatives of PC gaming with none of the benefits.
>>332091683
Look at my post. I am literally only talking about the NAME being "PS4k"
And the eurogamer article confirms that multiple sources are calling it the Playstation 4k
I'm not saying anything about the actual device or its capabilities, because none of us have any clue whatsoever
>>332091717
you fucking moron. you didn't even realise that consoles slowly become PC
>>332091717
>consoles get upgrades now
>now
'sup.
>>332091126
Consoles can't even outperform a shitty pc in every games and have to deal with sony's drm and store.
Keep trying to push the optimization lies though I'll keep posting these
![snapshot_12.00_[2015.12.23_22.22.26].png](https://i.imgur.com/zCnrohs.jpg "snapshot_12.00_[2015.12.23_22.22.26].png")
>>332092521
possibly last console that has actual upgrades?
>>332088270
hey im from neogaf and this is an obvious sony(tm) brand name shill thread
the truth is nobody gives a fuck about the PS4
steam is the leading gaming platfom
steam has been the leading platform for over 4 years now
japan has really dropped the ball on video games and consoles.
both systems are equal because all the games are multiplat now anyway
bloodborne is very boring
neogaf will shill this game to the end because its literally within their asian yellow piss blood
and to answer your question, no there will not be a single game which can only run on 4.5
>>332092987
The true question is, will the fucking 4.5 run games with better performance ( more fps)
>>332092521
this too
sony (and xbox with whatever they are doing) would be absolutely retarded if they split their userbase by release games that only work on the newer version of the console. They would be committing suicide if they did it.
Games with still be developed for the first version of the console, the newer version will run at a higher framerate/resolution or have a slightly better lighting.
Also since they are going to be selling these new versions at the price their current consoles are at, it's going to be a pretty marginal increase in power. They aren't slapping 980ti's in there.
There's no point to go to 4K yet. Seriously 1080P is perfectly fine.
>>332088612
Just wait. Buy an older console that you never had to hold you over or something. It's not like you're missing any games other than uncharted.
>>332093809
Bloodborne, persona 5 when it releases this year, Wanted to play Sao lost song, many more. It's just fucking bullshit they should come out during E3 and say the ps4.5 is now for sale at 400$ go get it
>>332088612
dont buy a console til after E3 and we know whats happening.
>>332091860
>>332092309
>>332092521
>PCfat damage control
There's still no evidence that this even exists.
>>332089213
You realize shitty ports are the exception nowadays, right? GTA IV may have been shit 8 years ago but GTA V is one of the best god damn ports I have ever played.
>>332093241
Also for the weebs out there.
>>332089536
That's what I've been calling it ever since I heard out this rumor, it makes more sense and it's a much more marketable name. Not sure who these idiots calling it the 4.5 are.
>>332090643
It's too bad the 4K version is literally a scaled up 1080p version.
>>332091126
>pretty much every major release this gen has had huge performance and optimization issues on PC
most of these issues are either PC players angry that they aren't getting perfect performance or are present on the consoles as well
>you have to install fucking Uplay/Origin
literally 2 companies in the whole world release on these services, 99% of games are on steam and a small percentage are even on gog.
>no thanks. i'll be over here popping a disc into my console.
and then installing it to your hard drive that's half the size of mine
>>332091410
>to make sure you get to play more games
Almost every good game this gen has been a multiplat so far thoughI actually really want a PS4 but I really can't find any reason to buy one, especially now that online costs money.
>>332088270
>sonyponies are okay with their console having a 3 year lifespan
DUDE
UNCHARTED
LMAO
>>332091717
If the 4K provides any performance boost, it'll still cost $800 to have bought both versions of the PS4 when they had released. For comparison, the 750 ti cost around $200 on release and still outperforms the PS4 3 years later.
>>332088270
>PS4.5 launches
>Devs start targeting new hardware for 1080p30fps performance
>PS4 version has to run at 720 or severely reduced settings to keep up
>Sonygger civil war as 4.5 players accuse 4 players of "holding back gaming" while denying to PCucks that consoles hold back gaming
>>332091717
>buying an entire new console is "upgrading your console"
M8 you've been able to do "upgrade" consoles since the dawn of time.
>>332094028
I mean it looks like the 4K just adds a better blu ray player and HDMI 3.0 so all you'd really be missing out on is a price drop if you buy the standard console now.
>>332088270
Here's how it'll work:
Current PS4 has, and forever will, have by far the largest consumer base.
Every game will be developed for the PS4 as a base and be compatible with the current base model.
However if you want better performance you buy a PS4K and all games will run at 60fps and probably higher resolutions than 1080p, but definitely not native 4K. 1440p is probable though.
The only difference is that when PS4K releases next year the base model will be $100 or $150 cheaper than it. You have to decide between the cheapest solution that plays all games, or the most expensive one that plays them at a better performance.
That's all. Chill out. Get whichever when you feel like there are enough games for you.
>>332088453
>the potential benefit of the ps4k is that older games might be patched to run at 60 on it
Some newer games might but I seriously doubt developers are going to go back and patch old titles like Bloodborne to take advantage of any hardware advantage that PS4K has.
>>332095946
The 750Ti came out just over 2 years ago.
>>332096223
>However if you want better performance you buy a PS4K and all games will run at 60fps
Have consoles ever worked that way? Playing PS2 games on the PS3 didn't improve their performance any.
>>332096007
>get ahead of Microsoft in the console war when they fuck up with $100 mandatory Kinect / no used games / always online
>blow it 2 years later by splitting the user base for no good reason
>>332096409
OK sorry it hasn't been an actual three years but it still came out within a very close proximity of these consoles.
>>332096410
Console games usually have half-adaptive V-Sync enabled. To run at higher framerates they'd have to receive an update which would basically be the devs changing the settings to "Adaptive V-sync" instead of half. Of course this might not be possible on games hard-coded to 30fps.
>>332096223
This seems unlikely, since a lot of games, especially console games, are programmed to run at a specific frame rate and things like physics will start to behave strangely at higher frame rates. They might patch some older games to run faster, but I kind of doubt they'd go through the trouble.
>>332096679
Most games I've played on PS4 do not have adaptive vert-sync, which is why there are framerate drops.
>>332096906
Adaptive V-sync means V-sync only kicks in when the framerate reaches a certain amount.
For example Adaptive V-sync at 60fps means it keeps the framerate at 60, but if it drops below, it disables V-sync. Full V-sync would lock the framerate at 30fps until it can reach 60.
V-sync doesn't mean "I cant get framedrops".
>>332088270
>What are the odds of new releases being 4.5 only and not being able to run on regular PS4?
100%.
This is sony. They will make you pay $600 for the new PS4k and an extra $399 for PSVR4k and then $80 for PS4k games.
Picture related.
>>332096716
>re programmed to run at a specific frame rate and things like physics will start to behave strangely at higher frame rate
This, plus most games on PS4 actually have the framerate capped at 30fps so the game would need to be patched to remove the cap. A better PS4 might stop Bloodborne from dropping frames but it will not make it run at 60fps without FromSoft patching it.
So will games actually run better on the new PS4?
>>332097074
I know what adaptive v-sync is, and it is only used on consoles when the system cannot maintain the 16-33ms frame time necessary to keep vert sync enabled at 60 or 30fps. A lot of games on Xbox 360 used it like Alan Wake, Rise of the Tomb Raider also uses it on Xbox One. The game is vert synced but when a lot of action hits v-sync is disengaged and partially rendered frames are displayed to prevent framerate drops.
>>332097278
I don't think it's as simple as that.
>>332095707
>>332091410 here. I'm on the same boat as you. I really want a PS4 but I've been waiting all this time to see what happens, and now apparently there is a price drop coming so I did the right thing.
About the online costing money, I always thought this was annoying till I actually googled it and turns out it's like 4 dollars a month. I spend more on fucking candy.
I'm still waiting though. Here is to hoping the price drop is actually meaningful in any way.
>>332096310
this
>>332096310
Obviously something like a framerate uncap needs to be patched for, but won't it for example suffer fewer framerate drops simply for being on better hardware?
>>332096410
All Vita and PS3 ports and simultaneous releases on the PS4 run at 1080p60p. All of them.with the exception of Toukiden because of shitty devs. Even the PC port is locked at 30fps
There's no reason to doubt PS4K would double the framerate, as the 14nm GPU (well, APU) easily doubles PS4's perfomance.
>>332096716
It's not a console-specific thing. It's shitty devs overall that lock crap into framerates. Fallout4's sounds and physics are tied to it too, if you go too much above 60fps they act up. Same for the latest CoD, aiming sensitivity changes if you go with an unlocked 60fps+ (I'm talking about the PC versions here). DaS2's weapon durability was also tied to fps AFAIK so on PC they would only last half as long.
Yes, I'm sure very few previous games will be scaled up, but I was refering to new releases after PS4K's launch (well, I think months before devs will start releasing compatible games)
>>332097763
>About the online costing money, I always thought this was annoying till I actually googled it and turns out it's like 4 dollars a month. I spend more on fucking candy.
What everyone seems to ignore is that:
1)PS+ cards can be regularly found at 30-20% below MSRP
2)PS+ discounts alone make up for the $45/year
3)By the time you get to play 2 or 3 offered "free" games, their price would exceed PS+'s subscription. For example last year RocketLeague and Gauntlet alone would've cost me 40€, which is what I paid for PS+, and I got to play more freebies than just those two.
PS+ is only really a bad deal for those who barely play any games, they might get 1 or 2 per year and feel robbed. But if you buy at least half a dozen the price is already worth it through discounts alone.
Shouldn't sony focus on getting their games at 1080/60 first?
>>332099843
I think that will be achieved with new consoles
>want to get a PS4 for BB
>almost buy one last night while drinking
>now there's going to be a price drop
But how long will it take? It's stupid there's no sales or deals on PS4 while every week there's a new XBone sale
>>332096310
>I seriously doubt developers are going to go back and patch old titles like Bloodborne to take advantage of any hardware advantage that PS4K has.
All it would take is removal of the fps cap, the ps4 is the equivalent of a mid to shit tier pc so a new revision would have much better quality hardware. Sony would likely require devs to patch old games in order to get the ps4.5 out of the door and it wouldn't take much coding to make the games perform better.
>>332100291
Would you rather play BB at 30 fps or 60? If 60 don't know why excited for price drop since the Old plebstation4 can only run it at 24-30
They'd not make it so games can only be played on 4k ps4's - there is about 30 million ps4,0's out there, it'd be retarded to do so - this ps4K will sell about 1.2 million at most in it's first year.
>>332100592
Except there's no evidence the newer iteration of the PS4 will double the fps of existing games like BB.
>>332100782
No evidence but it's fucking almost obvious maybe not 60 fps but something slightly better. (Better performance in most games) still think Sony are comeple fuckers for doing this.
>>332101041
Eh, I'm fine with paying less so I get to play Bloodborne. At the end of the day I'll still be already spending too much for one game.
>>332101170
>Buying a console for one game.
I feel ya I sold my xbone today got 300$ I'm saving it for the ps4 shitconsole sadly but I'll have my PC to make me company until then.
>>332099843
A majority of non-AAA games are already 1080p60fps. Half of the AAA games are also 60fps (but most of them at 900p instead of 1080p)
It's doing a pretty good job considering the hardware. At least it has never shat the bed by having a lot of games at 720p like the Xbone, as far as I'm aware no games on the PS4 go below 900p. Lets not even get into the WiiU where we still see a lot of 720p games and in some cases under-720p
Either way if you are obcessed at 100% of the library having a 60fps1080p minimum, the PS4K will be an option starting next year.
>>332097986
depends on what is causing the framerate drops on Bloodborne. There are definitely times where the graphics seem to be the culprit but others where nothing is even happening on-screen. Makes me suspect that CPU performance could be an issue. Then the question is, will this new "upgraded" PS4 have a faster CPU? How much faster?
>>332102463
>Either way if you are obcessed at 100% of the library having a 60fps1080p minimum, the PS4K will be an option starting next year.
That's speculation, stop posting it as fact.
>>332092987
>>332096007
DELETE THESE!!!!!
>>332103207
Games that come after or just before PS4K's release, not older ones. I should've specified that.
Anyway there's nothing wrong with speculation. everyone should take everything with a grain of salt, that much is obvious and doesn't need to be mentioned.
>>332103467
>Anyway there's nothing wrong with speculation
I agree. It only becomes wrong when people start going around posting it as they would a fact. Then it's very wrong.
>>332103785
nigger, use common sense
If I said "if you are obcessed at 100% of the library having a 60fps1080p minimum, then PERHAPS the PS4K MIGHT be able to do that next year, maaaaaaaybe"
I could be just as right or just as wrong. There's no need to pander to people and treat this like a delicate matter. Everyone is aware everyone else is just speculating.
>>332092987
>he took the time to write all this to falseflag
>>332088713
Handhelds have added power mid-gen before. But in both cases where they did, the more powerful version barely got any support since it would be stupid to limit your audience by making your game only available for the + version of the console.
>>332096007
>PC Master race
>Being held back by peasants
>>332104082
>say something may be the case is just as right or just as wrong as saying something will be the case
>>332090570
>Even then, locked 45 is miles ahead of locked 30. And locked 30 is light years ahead of 30 with drops.
No it isn't. Locked 60fps looks better than 30fps but few frames difference dosen't make much difference.
>>332094739
>You realize shitty ports are the exception nowadays, right?
You realize they are more common now than anytime before?
>>332096007
My butthole is source the post
>>332104570
45 isn't really a "few frames" of difference, its half way better than 30. While obviously locked 45 is not as good as locked 60, it's still much better than locked 30. You would have to be pretty stupid to think otherwise.
Regardless of that, consoles don't get locked 30 anyway. They get 30 with drops. And that's the worst thing possible.
>>332104406
Is it not, at this point?
Does the power of the word "will" surpass reality and make it so? Is it a trigger word for you?
Changing "will" to "might" wouldn't in any way increase or decrease the chances of my speculation being right or wrong.
God damn language police.
>>332104859
30fps and 45fps isn't big difference, 30locked fps and 30fps with small dips even less. You are retarded,
>consoles don't get locked 30fps anyway
That depends on game, since some of them run at 60fps you idiot
>>332106391
>30fps and 45fps isn't big difference
>locked fps and unstable fps isn't a big difference
>>332106789
If you have problem with game that runs at 28-30fps that means you are shitty at video games anon.
>>332088270
>tfw i actually bought a 4k tv.
fuck me, there goes my money...
>>332088270
>I want to buy a PS4
Don't.
It's a huge waste.
>>332106306
Will - expressing inevitable events.
May - expressing possibility.
It is the simple difference of someone speculating, or someone stating facts. I had every right to call you on the stupidity of posting speculations as facts because you posted it as so.
I fail to see how you are so indignant, when the mistake was all yours.
>>332106917
Wait, are you delusional enough to say that consoles only experience a 2 fps drop? This is a joke right?
>>332088270
You fell for a false / misinterpreted rumor.
Sony stated that they needed to upgrade the bluray player if they wanted support for 4k movies. Some hack wrote it as a majour hardware change affecting games. The only effect on graphics hardware it would have would be a new displayport.
Fucking idiots around here repeating everything without putting a single thought into it.
>>332107554
Why are you using strawman? It's really stupid.
>>332107950
>takes 2 fps out of his ass from nowhere
>calls someone on being a strawman
Amazing.
>>332108094
>retard used statement I never said
>not strawman
Hilarious
>>332108226
>If you have problem with game that runs at 28-30fps that means you are shitty at video games anon.
Excuse me, 30 minus 28 is 2 anon. I know, its crazy.
>>332108495
>you said onsoles only experience a 2 fps drop
Not only you have problems with reading other people posts but also your own? Jesus
>>332108785
Someone is taking about fps instability and you shitpost about them having a problem with 28-30fps. What else are you even talking about if not a variation of 28 to 30? The problem is, fps on consoles don't really just drop from 30 to 28, they go farther than just 2 fps.
Honestly, I'm okay with playing a game at 30 fps. I would rather play it at 45 or 60, but 30 is fine. What I do have a problem with is when 30 goes down to 24, or even under 20 depending on whats going on in the screen. If you are gonna have such a low number as 30 then you might as well at least stick with it.
>>332109482
Because that's most common drops, 20fps drops are extremely rare despite what you say so. Also I don't know why constantly talking only about 30fps since many console games run above that. Only shitposting person is you. PC has also frame drops.
>>332109817
>PC has also frame drops.
You don't read much I take it. The first post you replied to me was in a chain where I stated that if a pc game is dropping from 60 to 50-45 I would rather manually lock it at 45. Why on earth are you telling me that PC "has also frame drops"?
I'm talking about the 30 fps games because they are the majority. Good for you if a handful of games run at 60. Really.
