Why don't you like MOBAs? Is it the genre itself? Is it the community? Are there any that you enjoy? What would a MOBA game have to do for you to consider playing it?
Pic related, it's the only good MOBA out there
Paragon is the first MOBA I've tried
enjoying it so far
>>332078424
>why don't you like MOBAs?
Casuals don't like mobas. Being a hardcore dota player is extremely difficult and emotionally exhausting.
>>332078983
What system are you trying it on? I've been debating getting the founders package so I can try it, but I also know it will be in open beta soon enough
>>332078424
>Acronym is retarded, anything can be a "battle arena"
>Most players are 12 year olds without any motion skills. Community is shit.
>Game is repeptitive and stale, after 2-3 games you played everything
>Only 1 map.
>You only control 1 unit, because that's all the average normie can manage.
Yeah.
>>332078424
LoL was perfect before mf came out. Game has slowly become worse each time devs fuck with the game
>>332078424
I like the team fighting and objective taking of mobas. I don't like the last hitting of minions to get stronger than your opponents.
You first have to play a solo mini game of last hitting minions for gold to buy stronger items than your opponents because they can't last hit as many as you can. I don't find that fun.
That's why I enjoy Heroes of the Storm, ARAM / Dominion / Ascension in league of legends, and that arena thing in smite.
I don't want the determining factor in whether I'm better than my opponent to be if I can hit a minion and get the kill. I want it to be because my decision making is better than my opponent and I understand what I need to do to win. I'm more of a knowledge > skill or execution type player.
>>332079150
This imo, mobas are not relaxing to play at all (they arguably aren't even fun half the time).
>>332078424
>Pic related, it's the only good MOBA out there
Pretty much, it's the only one that doesn't glorify itself as a strategy game, and isn't a straight up dota clone.
>>332078424
I tried Smite last night because i heard it's out on PS4
Addictive and fun as fuck.
>>332079819
>I'm more of a knowledge > skill or execution type player.
>solo mini game of last hitting
>That's why I enjoy Heroes of the Storm
>>332078983
Same. I have a lot of fun playing with my friend.
>>332078424
>only good moba
it only consists of who's the biggest tryhard
>>332078424
/v/ doesn't like online games because they suck at them. They don't even want to put the effort in to get better, and get to a point where they can find it fun, they just want instant rewards, and don't want people to know they aren't good at everything, even if it's anonymous fags on the internet.
>>332078424
It's the reddit of video games.
>>332080124
I don't know what you're trying to communicate.
You don't last hit in Heroes of the Storm. Each map has different objectives and you don't go after them alone. If you know what to do and the timing for it all just communicate it to your team and you will have an advantage.
>>332079150
>Casuals don't like mobas
This. They would rather watch streams.
Also MOBAS/ASSFAGGOTS aren't good for your physical and mental health and can even ruin friendships.
>play any MOBA
>teammates get mad at you for any reason
That's why
>>332078424
I don't like playing games where a single match can last an hour and a loss can occur simply by having one person drop connection or playing really poorly.
I kind of like HOTS for the short matches and simplicity. I get that it doesn't appeal to MOBA players for literally those exact reasons, but MOBA players are completely fucking insane anyway, so that's okay.
>>332080612
>and can even ruin friendships
>implying you had any to begin with
>>332080442
Nope, /v/ doesn't like shitty online games, AKA, most of them, because they're targeted at normies and casuals who make the mechanics bland, dull, and boring.
If they made a game like pic related, where your actual skill mattered, it'd be a different story.
I don't like MOBA gameplay, at least the traditional style I used to see in WC3 custom matches. I guess I don't like the dependence on clicking.
>move your character back and forth to keep them from auto attacking
>you gotta one shot the minions
>oh shit another player start right clicking and hitting macros
I'm not convinced that is all there is to isometric style MOBA's but I don't enjoy the controls thus its hard to enjoy the game. I'll admit the communities are a turnoff as well
>>332078424
I hate mobas because they tend to have matchmaking issues where ATLEAST 2 out of 5 players are bad while the enemy team is clearly better. Especially for the main 5 man mode
Then there are the shitty meme characters that ruin the game because playing these characters means an instant loss even though they justify these characters for being "fun" or saying "you just havent seen me play it" while the good/OP characters are picked every match and always carry that match.
Don't even get me started on how the ranked system can let you go on a winstreak gaining little amounts of ranking up points and one loss can erase a good few hours of playtime
I play games to relax and most of the MOBAs I have played are anything but relaxing as soon as you get out of the beginner player vs AI matches due to shit community.
>>332078424
MOBA isn't a real genre, if you're referring to an ASSFAGGOT, they're all shit except dota, and paragon looks pretty cool.
>wonders why people don't like them
>only likes the shittiest one and hates the others
>>332080709
>muh normies argument
If it wasn't for needing to relate a pick you'd be frogposting...
>>332080916
Thanks for keeping the streets clean officer
lol is great
I actually have fun playing smite. But the matches last too long for such little reward
>>332080916
Game Going on Two Sides describes literally every multiplayer game ever lmoa
And articles aren't even capitalized or included in acronyms
>>332080614
>Play MOBA
>Get mad at teammates
I'm currently in the acceptance stage when i play.
>>332081141
Yes if you take half of an acronym it's probably not going to accurately describe what it's meant to retard.
>>332081238
Then call it an ASSFA you literal retard
>>332080614
>>332080912
>>332081113
I think if the games didn't last so long and there were ways to make a comeback for the weaker team then moba communities wouldn't be as bad.
>>332078983
I want to try it, but 20 for a moba I don't know much about seems kinda steep. I already try to not spend money on lol.
>>332078424
Smite is just league in 3rd person
the gimmick wears off fast
>>332080709
>muh normies
>everyone posting ITT praising the shit out of paragon
Paragon is the most normie moba out there, it's literally DAE think moba would be better as cod XDDD
>>332081332
>>332081141
>>332080614
tell a bit about humanity, heh
Because the community is ass, the gameplay is typically serviceable at best, and most of them have the horrendous design of forcibly stretching out your playtime with unlockable bullshit.
Not to mention that every time you play it means you're stuck in that game until its done with, even if you're in a team with total chodesmoking gobshites.
>>332078424
Matches are way too long.
>>332078424
LoL and Smite have a very strict meta and that brings about a very toxic community. If you deviate from the established meta, even a tiny bit, you will be called all sorts of names by children. You aren't allowed to have fun unless its by their rules.
Dota at least is more lenient with your personal playstyle though it still allows you to fuck up. They are all boring though, at least Smite keeps me engaged long enough that I can ignore the children and do what I want anyways.
The whole conceit irritates me. The basic premise of taking Tower Defense and making it two opposing, roughly symmetrical teams instead of Builders vs. Attackers isn't awful, but the way the games have been built out it's all about fiddly, click-spam, optimized execution. Character selections, equipment purchases, what you should do based on your team makeup etc. are all basically pre-selected by the meta and if you deviate from this you will lose and/or be called a faggot by your aspie teammates.
Spergy teenage NEETs claim that last-clicking a million minions in under-par time means there's a "high skill ceiling" but there's effectively no actual strategy or teamwork involved besides being an efficient cog in some predetermined mechanical apparatus.
The fact that matches take 30+ minutes at least is just shit icing on the whole turd cake.
TL;DR clicking games are for autistic children, I want a wide variety of possible (valid!) decisions so the game is unpredictable and, you know, FUN!
>>332081934
Git GUD and you won't be flamed anon. That's all there is to it. Stop playing like a little girl and everyone will keep away from you.
>>332082136
You can play Smite on ps4
>>332082136
>Character selections, equipment purchases, what you should do based on your team makeup etc. are all basically pre-selected by the meta and if you deviate from this you will lose and/or be called a faggot by your aspie teammates.
This only happens in LOL
>>332082136
>Character selections, equipment purchases, what you should do based on your team makeup etc. are all basically pre-selected by the meta
Not in Dota
Awesomenauts was the perfect balance for me. It was simple enough that it didn't last too long and still had enough variety in items to play differently instead of build damage and only damage fuck you for trying anything else. The only real problem is if 1 guy sucks on the team its kind of hard to come back (Not impossible though) and premades were also a problem, why are 3 guys who are communicating going against 3 randoms? Its silly
Quick question:I just started playing SMITE and its fun, but it runs like ass on my toaster. Is the PS4 version good? Will my stuff carry over?
>>332078424
I like MOBA's
But Smite is a shitty game. The combat has no weight and feels like a budget game from 2002
>>332078424
Snowballing damage is stupid.
If i die to an opponent there's no reason they should be even harder to kill the next time around. They already beat me, they don't need more damage. This also leads to the reason for toxicity in the game, because you're practically helpless if you fall behind in items unless you're someone with absurd amounts of CC to net your team kills.
Sure by all means punish me with a long death timer so that the enemy has time to take a tower or an objective to give them more vision on the map or something but don't make it so the enemy is harder to kill. That's just demoralizing.
I play SMITE a lot but it definitely isn't the best moba. It is actually one of the least complex ones I have ever played with an incredibly stale and rigid meta.
Dota is fun because its complex, games like smite and league remove all the complexities of Dota. When you remove complexities like last hitting, make the laning meta rigid, and have tons of copy paste heroes, the game gets pretty boring. Theres less stuff to balance in your head. The games become more and more of the same.
>>332081237
That girl..
>>332082715
Its funny because you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.
You complain about snowballing but then say you're fine with one of the biggest reasons why snowballing exists, long death timers. The longer you're dead, the more gold the enemy farms while you're dead.
Not that it matters because there are plenty of heroes that can do work and make plays with little to no items.
>>332082715
That would make sense if it wasn't a team game.
The retard system that allow you only 10 chars to play for week triggers me.
Or you pay for chars you like, or you have to grind for thousend of hours.
Not only this, but ASSFAGGOTS are responsable for the "e-sports" bullshit.
People don't play games any more, they rather watch someone else playing games for them.
>>332079853
>not even fun
Ik. Feels bad man
>>332083010
>Not only this, but ASSFAGGOTS are responsable for the "e-sports" bullshit.
No. Just no. E-sports were already a thing way before mobas got popular. Don't spout bullshit.
>>332083010
>ASSFAGGOTS are responsable for the "e-sports" bullshit.
Hello, underage!
>>332082172
I do just fine, the point is people are too stupid to understand that Aphro and Poseidon are great supports because their meta demands a tank for some reason. Or Chronos and Freya make better ADC's than most ADC's. Or Anubis was a better jungler than most junglers, before the blink nerf. I'm the guy that F7's matches and wins because of it.
I can list the things that first drove me away.
Click to move and Isometric camera.
I've been playing more ARPGs and CRPGs, so I've gotten used both. Still don't like them.
But the idea of only playing on one map, grinding in a multiplayer game, the community, and no drop in multiplayer during 40 min matches are all very unappealing. I get why there's no drop in multiplayer due to game mechanics, but that doesn't make it any more attractive.
>>332083314
>30,000 split among 5 people
There was very little money in Esports before the kids thought LoL pros were impressive.
Is paragon worth trying as a noobie to mobas? Or is smite the better option. I've dabbled in mobas before but I really like the 3rd cam. option.
>>332078424
>Assassin instantly kills me from two screens away
>see "get reckt scrib"
No thanks. I don't want to spend my free time indulging in a twelve year old's power fantasy.
>>332083717
then tear their asshole apart shitcan
>>332083608
Starcraft had the biggests overall earnings until dota's international hit the scene, buddy.
Stop making shit up.
>>332083608
>what is Starcraft
>>332083314
I am not talking about Fatal1ty and things like that, most of them pretty small and irrelevant. I am talking about 5 kids playing a game for 5 million dollars, this is a HUGE diferece.
Now a day, every kid playing games think that he can be millionary only plying games.
>>332078424
They're boring, slow and unless you're playing competitive the situations don't vary much.
Instead on an FPS you can be outgunned, outnumbered, low on health, low on ammo, with a dead medic, flashbanged, sneaking, miss a shot and loads more shit. MOBAs are just making sure everyone is pressing the button sequence right.
>>332078424
smite is pretty fun. Though I'm still getting use to late game Kali. Artemis can go fuck herself though
>>332083927
>fatal1ty
>small and irrelevant
Okay. You don't know shit about e-sports or the history of them, so please stop posting anytime.
>>332078424
I like to play LoL with my friends but it's the only moba I enjoy.
Dota2 is a lot harder and slower, heroes of the storm is even more casual than LoL and the others look like shit.
>>332083927
In other words, you are asshurt because prizes went from hundreds of thousand of dollars to millions (in very few cases) due to the natural growth of the scene?
I don't think that's very rational.
Besides, you do realize that virtually any sport/activity with fame and fortune as rewards makes kids believe they can make it, right?
>>332084052
>Instead on an FPS you can be outgunned, outnumbered, low on health, low on ammo, with a dead medic, flashbanged, sneaking, miss a shot and loads more shit
That can happen in almost every moba game what the fuck are you talking about
>>332083927
Anon please stop embarassing yourself, Jesus.
>>332083927
>Fatal1ty
>pretty small and irrelevant
He made half a million dollars playing video games in an era where it wasn't as common as it is now.
Are you out of your mind?
>>332084153
Have you bought your game food today?
Or have you donat for you favorite cam whore today? How much?
E-sports were ridiculous before, ASSFAGGOTS just made it more retard and childish.
>>332084153
>>332084797
Are you just typing random words as your rebuttal?
>>332082871
>you have no fucking clue what you're talking about
Good, because i don't like shit games. Snowballing damage is not fun.
I like Smite. So muh better than the typical over the head moba perspective.
>>332079670
>Multiplayer Online Battle Arena as in you face off multiple other people online in an arena designed for battle
>Most players are well above their teens, 12 year olds stick to CoD
>Gameplay is anything but repetitive when you have over 100 heroes that each play differently, pair better or worse with the other 100 and do better or worse with the other 100
>See previous point
>Not true, but you're just ashitposter that hasn't even touched one so it doesn't matter what I say cause you won't reach this far
>>332082783
That's not a girl, anon.
>>332084380
Pretty sure that's his point Esports were always a thing but assfaggots is what has blown them up to these ridiculous proportions. You can't even talk about Dota 2 or LoL with the community without everybody wanting to talk about esports and the esports celebrities either it's awful, not to mention balance decisions based around making the game more spectator friendly like comeback gold in Dota forcing players to teamfight the entire game or LoL's "throw it in the trash if it's not exciting to look at" philosophy.
>>332083717
That pan looks cooler than the sword.
>>332078424
> toxic communities
> long ass waiting times per session
> LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG
> slow paced sessions
why bother?
>>332085680
>>Not true
except it is true, for every game that isn't Dota and HoN
>>332081113
>SMITE
>long matches
Really? I feel like SMITE matches are a pretty good length. Most end around 25-30 minutes for me. My League matches last for around 40-45 though so maybe it's just a perspective thing.
>>332078424
I don't like the extreme limitation of movement and skills. It feels stifling.
>>332080558
kek, underrated post. Litterally so bland that smitefags on /aco/ can't even see differences between their characters once they're naked.
>ranking system based entirely on whether you win or lose
>doesn't take individual skill into account
>the only way to climb said ranks is to spam the patches latest OP hero
And that's when I gave up on Dota 2.
>>332083717
This. SO MUCH THIS.
Stopped playing LoL because every cool char is supposedly a tank dealing no damage, while edgy looking cunts OS you with litteral facerolls.
Fuck this shit design, back to playing Caesar 3
