Are you looking forward to Tokyo Mirage Sessions, /v/?
>>332076760
Yes
>>332076760
Not even at all. Not even slightly
Fuck #FE.
Should be a good time waster if anything.
Post the webm with her not blinking while talking
>>332077215
>>332077131
Still hurts to this day
Yes holding off on preorder incase of a special edition
>>332076760
Actually yes, I am
>>332077131
What an informative trailer!
>>332077259
They make hair and boob physics but didnt bother to make her blink even at regular pace?
>>332077259
Thanks
This is hilarious.
>>332077131
I'm still mad.
>promise SMT and FE spinoff
>make FE spinoff instead
>doesn't even look or feel like Fire Emblem
How could they have fucked this up so hard?
>>332077131
>We went from this to pop idol shit
What happened?
>>332077373
It's just her "shocked" expression, characters do blink normally as you can see here.
>>332076760
Hee-no
>>332077259
>STARE DEEP INTO HIS SOUL
>>332077471
She really has big Tsubasas.
>>332077259
>>332077131
I'm not really into either series and this still makes me mad.
>>332077259
You're not supposed to look at her face anyway.
>>332077449
Devs got greedy.
SMT-style game with Fire emblem characters, or a Fire Emblem style game with SMT characters, or somehow blending the two, would have sold gang-busters. Instead, they take the two, merge them with idolshit, in the hopes of getting SMT/FE/Idolshitter audiences at the same time. Instead they made shit that no one wants.
How badly is this going to get censored?
It upsets me SE was pressured by Nintendo to remove cleavage from Bravely Second, yet Nintendo will allow this game's outfits to go unaltered.
>>332076760
I want to protect Tsubasas tsubasas.
>>332077894
>implying
>>332077449
>Tfw thought it could potentially still be dark and grim
>It's happy fun times instead
>The Persona 4 rhythm game had idols breaking down and committing suicide or becoming monsters instead
>#FE got upstaged by a Persona cash-in
Not to mention instead of silly fanservice outfits, DAN has rad Velvet Room outfits.
>>332076760
>The shiny texture that makes them look as if they were covered in gel
Why
>>332077894
>It upsets me SE was pressured by Nintendo to remove cleavage from Bravely Second
Gimme that sauce anon. Bet you can't.
>>332078072
Sauce is common sense you fucking retard. Square Enix doesn't do this on non-Nintendo platforms.
>>332077868
>Large budget
>Strange Journey's dev team
>Several SMT grid-based tactics have already been made before
How did they mess up so bad?
>>332077131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5HkuhSEnPQ
Something tells me NoA is going to have a lot to censor in this game.
>>332076760
Can't wait for the censorship reveal
>>332077131
>LOL WHAT DID YOU EXPECT WE DIDN'T PROMISE YOU ANYTHING YOU JUST TRUSTED OUR WORD WE WOULD DO A CROSSOVER WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY SAY IT WOULD BE A CROSSOVER
>>332076760
I want to play Tsubasa's game right now!
This game looks too much like some shitty Japanese anime waifu otaku bait for me to be able to respect it, nevermind want to play it.
I feel the need to point out that I'm playing Estival Versus right now and having a blast just as a frame of reference. I don't know, maybe I'm just still butthurt about that SMT x FE trailer.
>>332078168
Thanks for the sauce anon
>>332078506
>I don't know, maybe I'm just still butthurt about that SMT x FE trailer
Probably. You can't even waifu the girls, so it isn't waifu bait.
>>332077259
What the hell is wrong with her face?
What was Atlus' reaction to the reception of this game? They ever acknowledge that it sold poorly or did they just quietly push it under the rug and never talk about it again?
Not like it was a loss since Nintendo payed for it but it must have still been disappointing.
>>332078971
It was received positively in Japan, there's a live #FE concert being held later this year, and with the English release coming in a few months, chances are this game might succeed yet.
>>332076760
No.
I already played the real SMTxFE 20 years ago
>>332078941
Pretty much nothing at all. You'd probably need some sour cream to truly enjoy it though.
>>332076760
Yep
seems fun
also still fun to see assblasted idiots who can't deal with released game contradicted to their imagination after initial teaser
>>332079196
Majin Tensei and Last Bible are literally Fire Emblem: SMT
>>332079423
>Plot worse than a mediocre Persona spin-off
Sure, anon, we will "fail to deal with it".
>>332079423
>imagination
>>332079423
>imagination
>>332077131
>>332079529
teaser was quickly slapped together old artwork of different franchises. Not even new concept art of new game. Clearly they had no idea what they doing with game at that point, just needed to announce something cause Wii U was in dire need of anything
You did this to yourself by hyping something in your mind with no info provided when there was nothing to hype for.
>>332079523
Considering you come to every #FE thread whining about "it is not as good as I wanted it to be" since first actual #FE trailer - yeah, you can't deal with it.
>>332079647
look first reply.
>>332079529
this isn't a fair comparison
at least nuts and bolts actually resembles the initial reveal aesthetically.
>>332079529
One of the many reasons why I sold my Wii U
>>332079529
Oh shit so this new SMTxFE game was literally this? Wow, no wonder I haven't been able to find anything on it. Na, fuck this game.
>>332079768
>Considering you come to every #FE thread whining about "it is not as good as I wanted it to be" since first actual #FE trailer - yeah, you can't deal with it
True, we expected it to be good. The gameplay is Strange Journey with long-ass animations, dumbed down Demon Co-op and dancing/singing. And the story is Neptunia levels of terrible.
They could have just done a 1:1 copy of Strange Journey and had a decent battle system.
I play fucking Neptunia and Persona so the weeb stuff isn't even that big of an issue.
>>332076760
Its not being released in Canada, so no
Yes
But that's seriously what they are fucking calling it?
That's really fucking stupid
Almost as stupid as Horizon Zero Dawn
>>332080017
get cucked maple lickers
>>332080254
You have no idea how much I don't really care. A suitable flop for a failing company.
>>332080004
>True, we expected it to be good.
hell, you can trash game as much you want. I don't honestly care. I didn't play it yet, but I have quite low standards and it seems fun enough for my, probably shit, taste. whatever, my money and time, I'm not telling you to fall in love with game or something.
I just want you fags to move on from "this is not what I've expected after initial teaser and few years in bunker".
Yeah, crossover could be better, but why cry over spilled milk for years and years each time you see #FE thread? Is salt really that strong?
>>332080336
lmao keep crying
>>332080410
To the people who wanted to SMT be know as something besides the "Dark Souls of Persona", yes, its that strong.
>>332080730
Why anyone would want to has "Dark Souls of "thing" " thing to exist anyway?
It doesn't make anything magically better.
>>332080148
Tokyo Mirage Sessions > TMS > SMT
You guys tricked me with Digimon Cyber Slueth but you don't get to trick me twice so if this game is also bad I'm leaving /v/ for a month. You might not think you'll notice my absence but you will.
>>332080730
>To the people who wanted to SMT be know as something besides the "Dark Souls of Persona"
People call SMT IV "The Dark Souls of Persona" to make fun an article that is universally seen as cringeworthy as fuck, you retard.
All FE X SMT would have been was Devil Survivor 3 with iconic FE characters available through special fusions anyways.
>>332081026
Lol fuck off kid nobody cares about you, not even your mum.
>>332081026
Your fault for falling for the digimeme
>>332081096
>Everyone believed that SMTXFE would be like Devil Survivor.
:(
>>332081298
their fucking fault making assumptions on zero basis
>>332081026
>tricked with digimon
How? Game is great. The issue with this game is that no one here played it.
You wanna play a bad game, get Xenoblade X.
Atlus makes SquareEnix run for its money. They are just too good at making rpgs, regardless of platform.
>>332077131
>>332079529
Literally 2 days after the powerpoint PV was released there was an interview where they mentioned how they wanted the game to be and that it was going to be it's own thing.
The concept was literally
>A girl riding a pegasus in front of Shibuya 109, modern day Tokyo
They literally said the PV was just a montage to represent both franchises.
>>332081542
>You wanna play a bad game, get Xenoblade X
Hey mate wtf take it easy now.
>>332081542
>hating on ZENUBUREIDO KUROSSU
>>332081542
The translation feels really bad based on the snippets of Japanese I actually understanding and some of the editing, good translation or not, is very stilted.
Also the game was insanely difficult on hard for the first 30 minutes like harder than killing Hitoshura in DDS1 without the pixie trick; but then I got the digilab and the game got insanely easy from there on.
>>332081542
>You wanna play a bad game, get Xenoblade X.
Rude and false
>>332080004
>
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Anonymous 03/26/16(Sat)13:57:56 No.332080004â–¶>>332080410
>>332079768
>Considering you come to every #FE thread whining about "it is not as good as I wanted it to be" since first actual #FE trailer - yeah, you can't deal with it
True, we expected it to be good. The gameplay is Strange Journey with long-ass animations, dumbed down Demon Co-op and dancing/singing.
Are you retarded? Gameplay is better than any SMT and FE game and none of what you said is true.
>And the story is Neptunia levels of terrible.
This isn't true at all either, retard.
Like holy shit shitposter-kunt doesn't even try.
>>332081624
>>332081661
Probably the worst game I played last year honestly. It was horrible and most people seem to think it.
>>332076760
I'm looking forward to developers censoring niche products. If this blatant pandering continues to unfold in alienation, I won't even bother video games anymore.
>>332081728
best game of a 2-3 years at least for me.
sorry you didn't like it.
>>332076760
no, I am not looking forward to the mess that was supposed to be SMT x FE
![OFOytrs[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/99jp6tN.gif "OFOytrs[1].gif")
>>332077471
>>332081624
XCX was full of bad design choices. Not really a good game.
>>332081954
>SMTxFE
Was never the name, the project was called that. Nigger.
>Mess
Oh i'm just bored of this. The game is great, characters are great, story is great and gameplay is fucking amazing.
The only problem is the main character since he's pretty generic.
>>332081542
>You wanna play a bad game, get Xenoblade X.
>>332076760
Depends on how censored.
>>332082092
Definitely not bad either.
>>332081712
But it is senpai, the streams show it all.
>>332076760
I'll get it as soon as CFW works on 5.5 or whatever version I'm at
>>332081542
>The issue with this game is that no one here played it.
There were literally non-stop threads here when it first came out. People kept hyping it up, I thought it was going to be amazing. Biggest let down of the year for me, doubt anything will beat it.
>>332082264
>Make a Dual Combo.
>Wait 20 seconds as they finish the Splatoon song.
>>332079924
>Oh shit so this new SMTxFE game was literally this?
yeah. They branded this trailer with the SMT x FE name, this causing all that rage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fS24IxelBA
>>332082219
not that anon and I loved X
but I'd say they overdid with overclock mechanics, making dolls basically irrelevant in most situations.
That and maybe main story stuff, should've at least try to align story enemies to your level.
and blood lobster mission, mostly cause I tried to beat it before beating story. It gated via few sidequests triggers you don't have any idea about, not to mention end boss of that quest which you can't beat without good overclock build.
>>332082578
>not to mention end boss of that quest which you can't beat without good overclock build
Meh I just beat it with a full Sniper build without any special augment or in-depth preparation.
>>332082108
>Nigger
whatever, racist.
>people are defending this atrocity
Just stop.
This is the kind of weebshit that would get ignored on Vita but IT'S A WII U EXCLUSIVE SO WE HAVE TO DEFEND IT AND MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT
I bet you're the same kind of faggots defending Devil's Turd.
>>332082565
>yeah. They branded this trailer with the SMT x FE name, this causing all that rage:
Oh it makes sense now, shitposters are all filthy EoPs mad because Nintendo of America did something they shouldn't have spreading misinformation.
>>332083019
>This is the kind of weebshit that would get ignored on Vita
You're cute
Why won't this game/series fucking die already
>>332083049
it's all about marketing. Because they gave that trailer the SMT x FE name, that product would forever be branded as "SMT x FE"
>>332083098
It is, dipshit.
Vita is so infested with generic weebshit that a game like #FE wouldn't get on anybody's radar
>>332082942
I had a rifle build too, but he was just killing NPC party members too quickly for me to get enough damage. Was managing to get him to half health or so before he kills me off
I didn't have good NPC tank. Also that fucker attacks via 3 different types of damage. getting good equipment to counter it is impossible. Gravity one attack is most annoying one
In the end I just hired 60 lvl scouts cause fuck that guy and fuck that mission. It just got on my nerves too much and I wanted to be done with it without figuring out right build and tons of augment grind.
also I'm bad at keeping overclock state up.
>>332083309
No that's wrong.
>hey guys, we're making a SMT x FE crossover
>lol actually we're not, it was just a marketing device to advertise this new shitty IP """""""""""""inspired""""""""""" by Fire Emblem
Well, good job. The game was a colossal flop in Japan. SMT fans don't care, FE fans don't care, not even idolshit fans care.
This game is literally aimed at nobody.
>tfw #FE is coming West
>tfw mainline faggots got cucked with Final for entire year at least, if not forever
>tfw Persona 5 delayed in NA until 2017, so japanese-speakers and trolls can spoil all the shit to shitsonababies
>tfw no japanese audio for mainlinecucks and shitsonakeks NEVER EVER
>>332083501
trying too hard there, senpai
>>332082951
How's your first day on 4chan faggot?
>>332083665
keep crying, bitch nigga
>>332083642
>for entire year at least
Nigger it was canceled already.
>>332083642
don't worry, atlusfags are so nicely trained they'll lick precious english VAs boots with all their might
>>332076760
How are they even going to censor this part? Isn't it about a swimsuit contest or something?
>>332083501
>This game is literally aimed at nobody
This is what baffles me the most about this game.
>first it was SMTxFE
>the it became #FE
>now it's Tokyo Mirage Sessions
Gee, it's like they're trying to get people to forget it was supposed to be a crossover game or something
>>332076760
>Hey son, are you winning ye-
>>332083642
>being an EOP
>>332083642
They brought this on themselves desu senpai.
>>332084006
>Gee, it's like they're trying to get people to forget it was supposed to be a crossover game or something
which is why I keep on calling it SMT x FE, it's true name
>>332084006
>Shin Megami Tensei
>Tokyo Mirage Sessions
eat your hearts out faggots
Yup, think the battles look nifty
>>332084035
No dad, I've failed simply by buying this game. Where do we keep the shotgun again?
>>332084285
You mean the name you wanted it to be
>>332084656
He don't wanted it in the first place.
>>332084656
>You mean the name you wanted it to be
the name it was intended to be
>>332084424
>>332084006
I'm not getting this game but they aren't just randomly changing it.
The first name was SMT x FE, then it was sold as Illusory Revelations #FE (I'm not sure why maybe to be like Revelations: Persona)
then in English it was localized to TMS #FE since it's SMT backwards.
>>332078168
>Educate yourself
kek
why SMT fags are so sad? You got Final recently, the fuck is your problem
you have like 5 SMT games on 3DS only
>You got Final recently
That's like their entire reason behind being mad, since it's not coming West.
The white were right.
>no news since TGS on P5, second delay
>Final is good gameplay and atmosphere wise, story and characters are a massive step down
>no localisation of final, Altus keeping quiet
>teddie replaced Jack Frost as US mascot
>no Devil summoner, SMT2 iOS or EPP localisations or proper translations as of now
>SMT 1 isn't translated for snes virtual console
>If still isn't translated
>Gideon is an ass
End it all.
>>332085239
>You got Final recently, the fuck is your problem
not ever here
>>332085419
>That's like their entire reason behind being mad, since it's not coming West.
name recent SMT which didn't come to the west
it'll come, no question about it.
So I don't know much about SMT, I'm one of the people angry about the FE portion.
How come Final's not getting localized?
>>332085506
yet
game is out for what, 2-3 months in JP?
be patient, it wont; go anywhere.
>>332085614
>How come Final's not getting localized?
it'll be. people just throwing tantrum cause THEY WANT IT NOW and need to cry about it like impatient fags they are
>>332085614
maybe because you fight THE God
>>332085614
¯\_(ツ)_/¯It's memes. People were spoiled by how fast IV was localized (2 months) and are being impatient.
>>332085508
P2EP
Final
>>332085435
This wouldn't be a problem if you just learned Japanese.
If you have 15 minutes a day or more to shitpost you have 15 minutes a day or more to learn.
>>332085820
>P2EP
you getting mad over PSP remake of already translated game
and game which is way too new to panic over
are you retard or something?
>>332085782
>>332085750
>>332085614
Problem is they don't even mention they're working on it.
>>332085972
Extra content.
>>332085508
SMT II was never localized. Too much triggering material. Since that hindumonk brought some attention to the game by mentioning Krishna, now Atlus just can't release it in original state, since there is abrahamic god to be killed. If they will release it afteral - then it'll be like censored into oblivion like your steam nukiges. This is probably why they slowing with announcement - need to redraw sprites or some shit.
>>332085820
>>332085972
also
>people on west BUYING PSP games.
be real, nigga
>>332086098
they are not obligated to tell that as soon they start working over something
nobody is obligated. Wait at least till E3 before panicking
>doesn't appeal to FE fans
>doesn't appeal to smt fans
>doesn't appeal to idol fans
>likely censored in the west so doesn't appeal to weebs or t&a fans
what even is the point of this existing?why bring this over but leave actual idol games in nip land?
>>332085972
>and game which is way too new to panic over
It's been nearly 2 months since it came out in Japan. There's even been a nintendo direct since then that would have been perfect to announce it during.
Atlus doesn't usually cock around for months to announce their localizations and everytime they've gone full silent like this it ended up being something we didn't get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff4QtvPSYRU
Kind of...
I like this song.
>>332085435
>teddie replaced Jack Frost as US mascot
This still makes me fucking mad. Just die, Teddie.
>>332077471
>>332077637
They look really weird.
>>332076760
Yes but I'm waiting for release to see what changes are made to the content.
>>332086267
What about JRPG fans
don't you guys get bored of repeating the same things in your head every time? no matter how many times it doesn't mike it true, how sad
>>332086429
whatever - your nerves. if you dislike yourself this much, keep panicking
>>332086680
Why would jrpg fans, that aren't fans of either base series, get into a bizarre spinoff instead of the original games?
>>332077471
My fucking heart!
Mamori is CUTEE!!
CUTEE!!
>>332086810
I'm not panicking, merely stating fact. Atlus has never exactly been after my money since I'm a fan of their Growlanser series more than anything and they sure don't like localizing those.
>>332086854
You can't try a new IP?
>>332086854
cause they do not care about spinoffs?
especially ones which doesn't seem to require knowledge of everyone
also do you think that people who enjoy Project x Zone played EVERY game characters there are from?
>>332086987
Why are you arguing with samefagging shitposter?
>doesn't matter
>you're European
>>332086987
Again, why try the ips' spinoff that fans of both base ips are saying is shit, instead of trying the ip proper first?
>>332086987
If I wanted a new IP why would I buy a game that is advertised as being a Fire Emblem spinoff?
It says a lot about the SMT franchise when they would rather do this instead of something to do with the mainline games
I'm trying to say mainline is fucking dead
>>332087304
Basically its not mainline anymore. P5 is.
>>332086958
well, you know more, won't argue. I don't follow atlus all that much.
I still'd say considering how many games they putting out recently, it's too early to kill Final off. But if you do, I guess localization will hit later as pleasant surprise instead of just waiting for it forever with hope.
>>332087183
it isn't advertised as one, you dipshit
>>332077868
>would have sold gang-busters
>/v/ in charge of sales numbers
>>332087419
>Isn't advertised as one
>Part of the name is #FE
>>332087665
yeah as subtitle, and another three words as title
>>332087419
It's literally called #FE
>>332087834
in japan
and who know about it? only those who already know everything about game itself
it's not marketing, it's your regular video game lurker knowledge.
or you gonna cry for poor JP people who were "misled"?
Choose your waifu.
>>332087773
>You summon characters from Awakening and the original.
>An Anna look-alike sell you stuff in the Jack Frost's store
>Tiki is a Vocaloid
>>332076760
People keep saying the story's lighthearted, but what even happens? Do the performa's memories come back ever? Is the big bad a dragon again as per Fire Emblem tradition? Everyone in the main cast good and alive at the end?
>>332076760
Not looking forward to it not being dubbed
>>332088115
>Bufu, Dia, Zan and other spells
>demons in the stores
So... it's like it is.... SMT x FE.
>>332088115
that called references, not marketing
>>332088406
so it's a spinoff of two series
which is not something I'd care about if I was looking for a new IP like you said in >>332086987
>>332088406
no you see, it's not grimdark, so it doesn't count
>>332086143
SMT II is a fun game, so it would suck for it to receive that kind of treatment. I'll probably try and start Japanese this summer to try and build up some proficiency with it so I won't have to deal with that kind of stuff. Cultural telephone is an annoying process.
I'd assume that Japanese would be easier to learn after my several years of experience with Mandarin, learning both simplified and traditional characters, but there's a fair amount of deviation between "Modern" traditional Chinese characters and Japanese Kanji.
Though, I've never known anyone who spoke Mandarin or Cantonese and learned Japanese after, even though I know it's common practice in Hong Kong to know all three if you go to a good school, so I don't know.
>>332088158
Yes, yes and yes.
>>332088406
People throw a bitch fit when Persona 3 and 4 are compared to SMT, why would they accept an even smaller nod to the series?
>>332086928
Are they crossdressing?
>>332088560
It wasn't me.
>which is not something I'd care about if I was looking for a new IP
Wow, you sure is idiot. Spin-offs ARE new IPs. Persona is a fucking spin-off you know?
No. Idol shit shouldn't mix with fire emblem. Hell the original draft was a actually pokemon x fe in early planning stages,not SMT,but then conquest happened and this idea was born.
Post more Tsubasa
>>332088574
Persona 3 is grimdark. So... Persona is SMT.
>>332088754
>>332088754
I hate how her chest is huge.
>>332088754
>>332088607
Better than waiting for fans translation at least.
>>332083809
sause?
>what if we took the waifu bait from FE, and uh..... yeah forget about SMT
>we only need waifus
>>332076760
I am anti-looking forward to it.
It's like it was designed to make me hate it.
>>332089335
>what if we took the waifu bait from Persona, and uh..... yeah forget about SMT
>we only need waifus
Behold my demons.
>>332089476
*husbandos
>>332089545
>they release Final in west
>it doesn't get SMT 1,2,3,4 DLC characters
>but get #FE DLC characters
salt would be glorious
>>332089476
so..... this is the power....... of mainline
>>332089476
>dlc boss fight
>it was an hallucination
>game is more Fujo than anything
>>332076760
>idol shit
>hardly anything reminiscent of SM
>hardly anything reminiscent of Fire Emblem
>doesn't even look like a good game regardless
The idolshit alone would unsell me on it, everything else is extra garbage.
>>332089476
desu even in Persona 4 blushing moments were much more subtle than this shit.
>>332089881
>idol shit
>post scott piligrim
sorry, idol shit is still better than hipster shit
go play undertale or something
>>332089949
What?
What does using a reaction image have to do with anything?
>>332089853
>i-it was just a prank bro!
Come on now dude. All those waifus exist outside of some DLC, half of them are quiet obvious pandering material. That Asahi girl is useless love interest for self-insert, paedobait is paedobait and monkey being all doik-doki over Flynn all over again. This is Persona, my friend, deal with it.
>>332089476
DELETE THIS
>>332090083
Neo/v/ m8
Most of the people haven't been here more than 2 years
>>332090581
Disgusting.
>>332090083
he doesn't have an actual argument and is just trying to discredit any criticism by complaining about reaction images
>>332089949
And there's the Undertale mention!
Bravo!
You've encapsulated everything wrong with /v/ in one post!
>>332090170
What you're telling me is that anarchy route is necessary ?
The moment they have social links is when I'll Agree 100%
>new blood Is killing atlus
>>332090759
>You've encapsulated everything wrong with /v/ in one post!
Like that wrong thing that /v/ermins like to play trash like Undertale? Indeed.
>>332090860
No one cares about undertale anymore
>>332090860
>Like that wrong thing that /v/ermins like to play trash like Undertale? Indeed.
What are you trying to say?
![[Cjn]Evangelion 24[(001253)23-56-06].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XZIR387.jpg "[Cjn]Evangelion 24[(001253)23-56-06].jpg")
>>332089476
Why Atlus doing this?
>>332091306
they are making it better
>>332091373
>they are making it better
>>332091306
>Forgetting about 3 protags dlc.
And people still bitch about it, if you don't want beach episode, don't buy the dlc.
>>332091545
B-b-but Mephistos. Its the reward to deal with that crap.
>>332091545
Waifus are still in the game, outside of the DLCs. And 3 protags are basically some cashgrab asspulling bullshit. People waited for glorious reunion with those characters in some epic moments in SMTV, in HD and on PS4. Instead we got some laughable fanservicey garbage out of them that isn't even canon.
