Is Gandalf a warrior or a mage class? He barely casts any spells he might be a warrior who clicked wrong class and decided to roll with it.
Spellsword with perks in staff wielding
>>332065539
He's a lore master.
He took one level in mage for the starter spells then went full ranger without telling the rest of the party.
>>332065539
Ex Battlemage now lore master
>>332065539
He is a wizard from back when fantasy wasn't corrupted by stupid roleplaying game tropes.
Maiar.
Dude he fought and killed a Balrog. He could solo lotr
>>332066105
That Balrog was nothing though, it had been locked down in the Mines for too long. Balrogs could apparently sprint fucking fast and even fly.
Well, aren't spells exhausting as shit?
That would be like using a rocket launcher when a rifle would suffice
>>332066023
maiars are a race
>>332065539
Gandal was a Wizard that had to hold back his powers, because trying to match power with power would only lead to his corruption. It's why he refuses the ring (even if he is tempted).
>>332065539
He's god and i fucking hate those flashlight magic.
When we can have magic in hollywood movies?
>>332065539
Fighter/Mage Multi-Class.
>>332066256
Hence why I said lotr. There was nothing more powerful than that Balrog.
>>332066421
WoW
>>332065539
He's a cleric. Obviously. Read the books sometime.
>>332065610
Who would win a fight, Gandalf or Harry Potter?
>>332066489
not even out yet and likely to fail.
>>332066519
>>332066419
>>332065732
>>332065717
>>332065635
>>332065610
Gandalf has too many attributes from different classes to be locked down as one. He's an upgraded class; an arch-mage (who happens to hide his powerlevel).
>>332066465
There was some hax shit running around that he couldn't deal with like the witch king though, pulling that reverse Sanji shit on everybody.
Fuck that guy and the GM who brought him in.
>>332066256
>balrog was nothing
>took an ancient angel considered by some, the most powerful and wise of the maiar to kill it.
>>332065539
>known as a powerful wizard
>rides into battle leading an army and swinging staff from left to right
>gets trapped by a dark sorcerer but escapes with his pet which he called because evil genius forgot to gag the most powerful 'wizard' in the land
>survives hand-to-hand battle with elemental from the depths of the earth
>doesn't cast a spell during the Battle of the Black Gate
Not a mage. His class is Mary Sue.insert fag joke here
>>332065539
Gandalf is a super special P2W demi-god class.
>>332066421
Doctor Strange
>>332065539
Server Janitor.
>>332066805
You only saw the movie huh?
>>332066780
I still think he's closer to a high cleric or some shit considering most of his powers come from gods or gifts given to him by them. But yeah he's obviously not a bog standard anything.
>>332065539
https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/3jpksw/gandalf_was_really_just_fighter_with_int18/
>inb4 muh website wars
>>332066805
Nah. Gandalf as much as said he couldn't in the books. Most he could do was hold him off, and even that just because the gloom broke and he had to bail.
"no man may hinder me" "lol but I'm a woman" wasn't movie shit originally, anon.
>>332066987
/thread
>>332066906
The books are badly written tho
>>332067034
Meant for the shitter in >>332066906
>>332066805
Gandalf was ready to throw down with the Witch King in the book. He also said he nobody would encounter a being more powerful than him except Sauron himself.
>>332065539
Middle earth is a low fantasy and there's no powerful spell casting mages, so to say. They exist more as a supporters, basically wise old people trying to help the world.
They have a couple of spells but they rarely if ever use them.
>>332066806
If you hadn't figured J.R.R Tolkien was a total weeb and sucked with power levels. 1000s of years prior to the War of the Ring there were hundreds of the fuckers some more powerful than that little faggot boxed up in Moria.
>>332067086
Why did you even bother?
>>332067151
>except Sauron himself.
And Tom.
>>332066878
Terrible casting.
Gandalf is an Angel Racial Class.
>>332067291
Meme character
He's a cleric, or maybe a paladin.
Clerics fight and use holy magic. Gandalf fights and uses holy magic.
>>332067291
Why don't you come back when you're done meming.
>>332067190
I'm pretty sure Hollywood nerf mages like usual. We talk the world where some dude fighting Himalaya size dragon here.
>>332067151
>"Then, Mithrander, you had a foe to match you. For myself, long have I known who is the chief captain of the hosts of the Dark Tower. Is this all that you have returned to say? Or can it be you have withdrawn because you are overmatched?"
>"It might be so," Gandalf answered softly. "But our trial of strength is not yet come. And if words spoken of old are true, not by the hand of man shall he falll, and hidden from the Wise is the doom that awaits him."
Strength for strength, stronger/weaker, the books never cleared up. But the man himself said he couldn't actually take him down. To Gandalf and everyone else(except women and hobbits apparently), he might as well have been god mode flagged.
>>332067190
if it was low fantasy it wouldn't have fucking orcs or trolls
He uses Intimidate, Cast light, Inspire so he has lvl 1 Wizard spells. He's a warrior with very basic knowledge of magic.
>>332067204
You seems like a super passionate guy.
Kinda faggy and a little butt mad.
>>332065539
He's an epic level character with levels in multiple classes.Think along the lines of some of the Greyhawk player characters that became gods.
>>332067808
>He uses Intimidate, Cast light, Inspire so he has lvl 1 Wizard spells. He's a warrior with very basic knowledge of magic.
He used earthquake to break the bridge in Moria senpai.
>>332065710
Underrated post
>>332067541
you have no idea what you're talking about. The First Age is nothing like the later ages much less the Third
>>332067883
>a little butt mad.
I am. I mean I don't know if you can blame a guy who wrote a book 60 years ago for being cliche but this whole 'he's super powerful guys, but he doesn't flaunt it because people have to learn for themselves.' bullshit does my head in.
>>332067204
>hundreds of these fuckers
Actually Tolkien wrote in his margins for his drafts:
"There should not be supposed more than say 3 or at most 7 ever existed."
Durin's Bane is not the strongest Balrog but it was still a demigod capable of demolishing armies by itself.
Gandalf is the Drizzt Do'Urden of LOTR
>>332068037
>the person who invented the cliche is cliche
10/10
You got me good.
>>332068070
>>332068070
Tolkien had a lot of rewrites and it's very unclear how much was supposed to be in the Silmarillion.
Personally, I think that if there were only like 5 Balrogs Durin's Bane would not have been allowed to escape. Whereas if there were hundreds it'd be easy to lose track of one or two.
>>332068137
>I don't know if you can blame a guy
>>332067883
He's not actually wrong though(except probably in the count of how many were loose.) Gothmog for one, had to be stronger than the Moria lurker.
Though he couldn't beat Fingon until one of his buttbuddies suckerpunched him from behind, so I don't know what that means if the most powerful Balrog can't kill one buttblasted Noldor king by himself.
>>332066987
>the first reply is a theory about Gandalf just being a guy who really did it all just so he could smoke weed
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Can Gandalf win against MAGES?
Just being able to cast magic makes you a mage in LOTR universe.
And there's like 3-5 of them at any moment in the world.
>>332068137
The "cliche" is a couple thousand years old as Gandalf was based on the demi-god Väinämöinen from Finnish folklore.
>>332067808
Nigga, read the books, he was constantly casting extremely high level divination, abjuration, and enchantment spells.
The gods he serves have some kind of hate boner for necromancy and evocation, that's why only evil spell casters use those schools.
It seems like Tolkien's later writing basically made Gandalf and the other wizards into half-assed Angels. That's some stupid-ass George Lucas shit, though.
>>332066780
British battleships never had triple turrets. What the fuck is this?
>>332068310
Didn't Galadriel and Elrond (among others) have some arcane capacity?
>>332068263
As long as MAGES. is not within reach of a microwave oven and some frozen chicken, she's probably underpowered and at risk.
God help anyone in her line of sight otherwise.
>>332068239
sauron himself, with the ring, was killed by a buttblasted noldor king (and a dunedain king). buttblasted noldorians aren't to be underestimated.
>>332068328
First off, the finnish folklore that you're citing from Gandalf's wiki page is not "a couple thousand years old." Secondly, have you read the source material because it reads much more like mythos (i.e. more a biblical collection of creation stories and allegories about what the cultures values in its people) than an actual literature work for literary consumption?
>>332066806
> the most powerful and wise of the maiar to kill it.
Is my reading comprehension failing me here or are you saying Gandalf is the most powerful and wise Maiar?
>>332068721
Which Noldor king was that? I only seem to remember Sauron being rekt by Orome's hound (Which only routed Sauron) and when Numenor sank
>>332068208
They never hunted down the Balrogs in the Sil. The Gods came and fucked Melkor and his armies scattered. If Sauron was allowed to escape then it's easy to assume one his soldiers could vanish.
>>332068209
If he was trying to say that it doesn't hold up to modern standards because it's been overdone then that's a bit more fair. It was worded very poorly but I can't argue other than literary appreciation should go a bit deeper and involve the historical context in which it was written.
>>332065539
Wizard. Hes just an old school wizard who had to memorize spells, and only could use them when absolutley neccessary. Maiar get longsword proficiency.
Gandalf could've just rode around blowing shit up, but the mortals had to learn to solve their problems.
>>332068070
So Gandalf single-handedly killed a demigod capable of demolishing armies after falling down into a nigh-infinite chasm. Doesn't that make hi at least a demigod, if not a god himself?
>>332066413
So are Elfs and Dwarfs, but those were also classes in AD&D
And then there's Aragorn, who just maxed charisma and ends up drowning in willing supporters and elven pussy.
Enough points in speech/diplomacy to end up recruiting a new army at every damn corner.
>>332067761
That actually has nothing to do with high or low fantasy.
Rule of tjumb is: is it set in another world? It's high fantasy.
Though going by Tolkiens word LotR is indeed low fantasy as everything he wrote happened on our earth in a not recorded history.
>>332069172
Gil-Galad, who was Fingon's son, so to some degree diluted in Noldol Buttblast.
Though by the second age, like you allude, Sauron himself was already pretty rekt compared to 100% Sauron, so it probably evens out.
>>332069304
He is a demigod, or an angel, depending on how you look at it. He basically serves arch angels, who could undoubtedly be considered gods
>>332069304
He is a demigod, you'd know that if you read the book.
He's a Wizard. End of discussion. Every other class is inferior to Wizards.
>>332069375
Well, he had help, as you said, from Elendil. Besides, Gil-Galad was barbecued by Sauron, if I'm not mistaken. That does not one rekt'd Sauron make
>>332068965
He is. He's so powerful he died and came back to life. He was here before the world was created anon.
>>332069212
> it doesn't hold up to modern standards because it's been overdone
Not even that, it's just shitty plot armour, how do you make it seem like the world is at stake of you know some guy has the console commands that he'll use if you start doing poorly.
>>332069404
He was.
Jesus, does nobody know anything?
When he decided he wanted to help the free peoples of middle earth he had to accept aortal shell and cast away lots og his intelligence and might.
He's an istar. No maiar anymore. He ain't on the level he was prior to being Gandalf.
Basically he was nerfed to hell.
He could still defeat the balrog because the latter was weakened as well for sleeping for I dunno how long. And he still only manages to defeat it barely and died himself afterwards.
>>332069667
he came back to life because god resurrected him, not because he's powerful
>>332069667
Sauron is the most powerful of the Maiar
>>332065539
>What's mystic knight?
>>332069667
You're fucking retarded.
He "didn't come back". He was SENT back, because mo other fag wanted to go to the shitholeiddle earth to help the idiots there for minimum wage. And the other wizards sent to ME were either retarded (blue wizards), or got corrupted on evilness (saruman) or drugs (radagast).
And while i don't remember whether the maia were made before or after Arda, he still wasn't the first of his kind.
The better question is where are the other two mages?
>>332069305
>Dwarfs
dwarves, thank you very much
>>332069304
Single-handedly yes, but it took him about 10 days
>>332069742
He still was a maiar, just a stripped down version.
>>332069639
No disagreement there(not the same anon who mentioned it originally).
Feanor was literally made of burning etherial asshurt and nothing else, so the further down his line you get, the less of that severe buttblast they can bring up, I guess. Gil-Galad seemed pretty chillax for a Noldor - most of those first-agers tended to flip their fucking shit at some point.
>>332070074
Tolkien "retconned" them working to fuck Sauron in the East. Originally they failed/got corrupted/whatever else.
>>332066256
That Balrog was the king of them all.
>>332070074
Tearing up the ocean floor looking for a silmaril.
>>332065539
He's the GM buttfuck friend. Obviously.
>>332070414
>prevents a party wipe
>GM sends him back
That would be pretty cool to be honest
>>332069760
Not exactly, gandalf was here before the world was even created, he is literally a god with butchered powers.
>>332069767
Because his powers aren't that much restricted
>>332069976
You don't send back a faggot, you send back the very best. Which he was.
>>332070561
Happened to me once.
Apparently I signed a pact with the devil or something to go and hunt down those that cheated him out of their souls while doing that party campaign shit on the side.
>>332070719
That's neat, sometimes I wish I had a group to play with.
>>332070838
Isn't hard if you know where to look.
>>332070274
Don't be drunk, Gothmog was the king of the Balrogs. It's disputed that Durin's Bane was on the same level/stronger than him, though.
>>332068396
You what m8? Nelson and Rodney had 3x3
>>332068328
the only modern age usage of vainamoinen was in that one Don Rosa Mcduck story, nigger
and it was absolutely based a rendition
Overrated faggot
>>332066563
Harry is a shit tier wizard and only decent at dealing with dark magic.
>>332067437
what's the point of the leather when she already has mail? It's not like she strap a millions potions and tools on herself.
>>332070274
The king of the balrogs died in gondolin I thought
>>332073719
I think he is implying that Gothmog was the only one that could fly. Which is a hot debate anyway since it's only said they have "wing like" shadowy things on them.
>>332068242
That post actually got a chuckle out of me.
>>332070652
Dude you don't know shit about the Tolkienverse. Go and read the silmarillion, faggot.
Nobody was electronics d zo be sent to ME, 5 dudea VOLUNTEERED to be semt there. And among them Saruman was deemed th strongest and wisest.
>>332065539
He's a rogue with points in use magic device.
By the way, is there ever going to be a balance between good and Evil in Middle Earth now that the biggest remnant of Melkor's mischief is dead? I mean, the universe was always tipped in favor of good because he was the only one who wanted to sing off tune, but how much of his influence is left anymore? I suppose there's still some Ungoliant spidery monsters and a few balrogs but is the world going to just all sunshine and rainbows post-Sauron?
>>332073949
Are you drunk?
>>332073949
>Nobody was electronics d zo be sent to ME, 5 dudea VOLUNTEERED to be semt there.
>>332074098
>the world going to just all sunshine and rainbows post-Sauron
Pretty much.
But in a complete hypothetical scenario with the Jedi Force mentality of 'there must be balance.' you'd probably see humans get pretty corrupted. Not all but a sizable portion.
>>332074441
Shit starts going sideways pretty soon after Aragorn dies though.
>>332066419
Gandalf actually wears one of the rings of power since the third age, which started after Sauron was defeated by the Last Alliance at Mount Doom. It's the ring of fire, one of the 3 elven rings. It gives its wearer the ability to inspire hope in his peers, although Gandalf was already good at that. I think the ring was lost when Gandalf's grey form perished.
>>332075262
>tfw the ring is at the bottom of that mountain with whatever the fuck else is down there
Moria is such a cool place.
>>332075179
My knowledge on the post-war is a little fuzzy.
I know that they pretty much go on a 9 month bender or something all the way back to the Shire where the successful stage a coup, Legolas and Gimili get more homo over cave diving and old hard wood, fredo and bobo sail west and that's about it.
>>332068965
Your reading comprehension is failing you. He said considered by some, the most powerful.
Both in the lore and out.
>>332066563
as someone who really likes harry potter and has no interest in lord of the rings, I can safely say gandalf, unless gandalf's staff is critical to his power because expelliarmus is all harry's good at
>>332074214
I am, actually. And the autocomplete is fucking with me.
>>332074420
That reads like some shitty jap -> eng translation
>>332073949
woah
dudes
could this be the.......................
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.............the epic new meme ???
>>332075612
You've made my night, cheers dude.
>>332075262
No he had the ring on the whole time. His body was never destroyed or anything.
Musou game set during The Final Battle fucking when?
>>332065539
Gandalf is a divine caster/cleric from a previous epic level campaign that was retooled as the GM NPC and nerfed to match the party
>has access to artifacts and king level allies
>shows up to get the party on track and disappears frequently
>saves the party from a TPK
>>332067204
That's why Sauron did what he did. He saw the world was declining in all ways and decided that if the Valar wouldn't stop it, he would.
>>332065539
When you are an epic class even wizard beats lv 5s in melee.
>>332066465
>>332066805
>>332067034
>>332067151
Gandalf faces the Witch King in the extended edition of the movie and gets fucked up. I think the Witch King makes his sword explode or something.
>>332066421
Harry potter movies
>>332076096
Not direct Musou but between tTT and RotK vidya and Conquest you've got something pretty damn close.
>>332068484
Galadriel has an elven ring of power. The ring itself is invisible to all but the bearer of the one ring. Frodo sees it when he meets her and later tells Aragorn, but Aragon tells him to not mention it to anyone.
>>332076597
I played it when it came out, was kinda meh.
>>332076804
I mentioned 3 games there, you've gotta be a bit more specific.
>>332076936
Oh I had a brain fart. Two Towers and RoTK were great and I played the shit out of those. Conquest was pretty shit.
>>332075793
>his body won't be destroyed at the end of the universe
Terrifying
Why hasn't anyone said summoner yet?
It makes good sense.
>>332077024
Really? I loved Conquest, it made for one hell of a Battlefront pseudo clone.
>>332077207
I don't think I played it online so that might be why.
>>332066421
learn to speak English
>>332077297
Neither did I, just split screen.
![jK0TT[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/x4lWSSx.jpg "jK0TT[1].jpg")
>>332065539
he is a faggot
>>332066878
Still not out and I doubt they will really go crazy with the magic, he'll probably only use it once at the end of the movie to dispatch the bad guy.
>>332068965
Powerful, maybe not. But he really is probably the wisest
>>332077624
What the fuck would be the point of a Doctor Strange movie without any magic in it?
>>332065539
he is an angel wearing a fleshy mage mask. he can do w/e dafug he wants.
But could Gandolf beat Lina?
>>332075441
As I remember it shit got pretty depressing
>Humans can't wank any harder to their last and final half-immortal king Aragorn
>Prepare to fall into crushing depression when he dies and their glory days are over for good
>Everyone of importance fucks off to elven wonderland never to return
>Magic withers completely
Middle-Earth post war is medieval tier humans surviving in harsh wilderness knowing that everything cool that was going on for their world is over. Should've called it Middle-East instead.
>>332067190
>low fantasy
you keep using this phrase anons and none of you seem to know what it actually means.
lion witch and the wardrobe etc. are low fantasy.
lotr is high fantasy.
now kindly fuckoff if you can't be assed to use correct jargon.
>>332077923
>Should've called it Middle-East instead.
And then one of the blue wizards comes out of hiding tell the people some cool shit then fucks off. Then the other one comes out of hiding some 700 years later, fucks off himself and to this day people still fight over wheat the blue wizards said.
>>332077873
Why do we always compare by Lina... She is not the most powerful mage. Here Dragon Slave is just as powerful as everyone else's and every other spell she uses thats more powerful has to 1) Fuse with the Sword of Light or 2) have a literal god take over her body which at that point its not Lina casting it anymore.
>>332077873
Lina a qt
>>332066256
The balrog is Gandalf's equal, corrupted Maiar, if you will.
>>332066421
>i fucking hate those flashlight magic.
>When we can have magic in hollywood movies?
When it's fucking written so in the books you fucking loser.
>>332077873
No, he'd suffer death by nosebleed
>>332078179
Wat? I thought they both died in Rhun
>>332078671
Dood was making Jesus and Muhammad joke.
>>332077736
It's Hollywood anon, much like the vidya industry they don't care about making a good, coherent movie, they will appeal to the lowest common denominator to make big bucks.
It's sad I know, but it's the unfortunate truth.
>>332078810
Oooooh
>>332067393
Guys what mmo is this? Is this WoW?
I wanna be a short little skeleton dude w/ cape
I never got to play it as a kid and I'm easily amused. Also not enough free time to git gud and complain about rampant casualizations
>>332066941
Yeah but that's what a wizard is in middle earth.
>>332065539
He's a bard. I thought it was obvious.
>>332078867
Didn't think I'd lose someone on that but I guess I'm mistaken. At least you got there in the end.
So how is The Third Age?
>>332079153
Pretty shit.
Gandalf was literally told by the Valar to remain as hands off as possible when it came to using his powers when assisting in the fight against Sauron because he was too OP.
>>332078207
>Here Dragon Slave is just as powerful as everyone else's
If you mean here as in LOTR verse I don't think anyone else can cast a town wiping level spell. If you meant "her" Dragon Slave is still the ultimate in black magic and most people in the universe don't have the mana capacity to use it. Lina in particular has a very high capacity, which her talismans amplify even further.
She can also use Ragna blade and Giga Slave without the sword of light or having LoN possess her. LoN only possessed her once in her Giga Slave uses
>>332079210
Okay, I'm gonna ask again and this time, someone give me a non-buzzword answer: So how is The Third Age?
>>332079274
exactly. you don't 'help' an allied army figh its enemies by detonating the magical equivalent of a fusion bomb in the middle of every engagement.
>>332079315
Wait wait wait wait. Are we talking about the in universe timeframe known as The Third Age or the JRPG style videogame LotR: The Third Age?
>>332077486
Oh Frodo Sagbag, you were a god among men.
>>332079554
The game.
He's a wizard from DND who bartered with his DM to get melee feats and proficiencies at the cost of spell slots.
>>332074441
>>332075179
>>332077923
So the world basically dies of its own boredom as the song of the gods stops echoing. It's funny how Melkor, the prime evil of the universe was basically the only thing that kept existence interesting and life world living.
>>332079598
Oh well that changes everything.
I had tons of fun and it comes highly recommended.
>>332078118
the meanings have kinda changed, cause of the massive succes that fantasy became. Low fantasy doesn't really mean 'fantasy elemnets in our, real world' anymore, it's more commonly used as 'low magic different world' with many 'real' elements like everyone dieying easily and whatnot, i.e AsoIaF
>>332079306
She never once casted Giga Slave without SoL or LoN.
Ragna Blade requires Xellos's Talismans. If you put them on Sylphiel or even Zolf who can both preform the Dragon Slave I'm sure they could cast the Ragna Blade as well.
>>332079716
Well it all ends with Melkor coming back from the Void with all his posse and every single hero resurrected to fight them.
>>332076475
The movie was also going completely retarded and shouldn't be taken seriously
The ghosts didn't fight at the actual war either
Gandalf stated he was prepared to use every bit of power he has - to burn himself out of existence in order to utterly destroy the witch king if he went into the city.
As gandalf the Grey, he fought all 9 of them in the fellowship
As the white, he was called more powerful than them all combined
Battle mage
I remember reading somewhere he is a level 3 wizard. with the feat Badass:Longsword.
>>332080292
Well then that sounds pretty cool. In fact, it sounds like in the grand scheme of things Melkor was always a good guy in the celestial artistic sense. Everyone tries to sing the same boring song that does nothing and goes nowhere, and Melkor sneaks in his own notes and beats that make everything more interesting. I suppose it's not polite to mess with the conductor of an orchestra but fuck you for hoarding the spacewaves so long with your banal shit.
>>332070121
Actually, Dwarfs is correct.
>>332080543
I guess that's one way to look at it but Melkor did some really horrid shit. It's a super heavy handed reference to the whole God/Satan thing though.
>>332080193
>She never once casted Giga Slave without SoL or LoN.
Evolution-R. I imagine it's happened in the novels as well.
>Ragna Blade requires Xellos's Talismans. If you put them on Sylphiel or even Zolf who can both preform the Dragon Slave I'm sure they could cast the Ragna Blade as well.
Lina's bucket capacity is large enough that she could spew out a few dragon slaves and still not be tired. We don't know how big Sylphiel or Zolf's are and zolf's a ded nigga anyway. Lina with the talismans barely has enough bucket to cast it.
>>332080678
Yeah he wouldn't have been as evil as he was if he stayed away from the world itself and didn't try to dominate the insignificant ants like a narcissistic bitch. He's the same kind of asshole as the Abrahamic God. I mean seriously Mel, it's nice that your chaotic fiddling made us a world that's a little less dull but does it really matter to you that much that a bunch of tiny mortals bow down at your feet?
>>332067291
this bombadil mene is the best
>>332067808
Confirmed, he mostly use low level shit.
Shut the fuck up, Gandalf casts lots of spells, read the fucking books
>>332076649
Nah, other ring holders can see them as well. Not just the One Ring.
>>332081834
Go read the "Tom Bombadil is the arch evil" theory. It's fucking wild.
>>332065539
Gandalf is a demi-god or arguably a God
He fucking smote Durin's Bane
>>332065539
So can nobody else fuck with magic besies Maiar?
>>332066987
>"Your love of the Halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind."
>Gandalf just spent too much time getting high, and forgot most of his spells, so he reverted to hitting things with a stick. I mean- at the outset he's basically just a stoner homeless guy who likes to go to parties and bring fireworks.
This fucking guy
>>332081834
http://km-515.livejournal.com/1042.html
>>332082495
Galadriel could, but she was one of the more powerful elves.
>>332082495
There are leagues of magic, and nearly everybody sans most humans can wield at least the most elementary magic
>>332066563
Gandalf. Harry isn't really even considered a wizard. He barely did anything on his own and everything that happened was a fluke.
>>332066563
Fuck would Harry do, Expelliarmus spam him? I hated that Rowling showcased all these spells in her books and the culmination of them in those final battles were that and the Killing Curse.
>>332069742
Blizzard ripped that off so hard when they made Tyrael discard his angelic powers to help humanity in diablo 3
>>332082627
There are enchanted legendary weapons with names, and they have special qualities and can only be wielded by certain individuals. I doubt anyone but Angmar could wield the morgul dagger to its intended effect.
>>332082858
Highest tier magic in Harry Potter is basical a handgun. Let's that sink for a moment.
>>332083417
I've always thought that smuggling a 9mm into Hogwartz would lessen the series by about six books. There's a reason muggles own the Earth in Harry's time.
>>332077923
Didn't that half Numenorian half elf son of the king have many adventures in the 4th Age? Nothing as spectacular as balrog battles or undead recruiting or love triangles probably....
>>332067324
underrated
>>332083593
>>332068873
Kalevala is a collection of poems/songs actually.
Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UfdehDqm4
Apparently, Tolkien based the Elfish language partially on Finnish.
>>332084182
>Well then I guess it's a good thing my 1911 holds 7+1
>>332084182
>but Samuel Colt made them equal
Every damn time
I think the way Jackson utilized the Istaris magic and magic in general in the LoTR trilogy of movies was pretty good because it was subtle and didn't involve things like excessive flames and magic missiles. It was more telekinesis, light, manipulation of the world and creatures in it, corrupting influences and confusion. Like the force pulls, grips and persuasion in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. Return of the Jedi had Sheev cast lightning which went a little bit too much into the realm of using force like stereotypical magic.
>>332084182
One wizard with a gun would break J.K Rowling's universe.
>>332084182
This just made me want to make a "good luck i'm behind 7 horcruxes" edit
>>332084501
Speaking of Kalevala, I once had the idea that a sequel to S.T.A.L.K.E.R could be loosely based on parts of the Kalevala lore, where the one prime artifact that every stalker seeks is basically a philosopher's stone like Sampo. Put something through one side and riches come out of the other. There could also be some weird tentacle monsters or whatever other kinds of thingies there are in those stories.
>yfw cheeki breeki boss fight with stalkers vs some mutanted harpy thing on a boat
>>332084182
The fuck was Voldemort's plan, anyway? To make every wizard inbred?
>>332077176
(Fag)
>>332084182
Not that I am disputing that the nonsensicality of Potter universe, that guy does forget the fact that the Wizards can do shit like instant teleportation, at the moment mind controlling and memory alteration, become friggin invisible, and turn themselves into animals and shit. Guns are arguably better in a fight than magic in HP universe, but the other shit magic can do makes it rather easy to accept how the Wizards have kept themselves hidden from the muggles.
>>332085107
His plan was to make WIZARDS GREAT AGAIN!
>>332085281
But why do they need to keep themselves hidden? Because they're stronger than muggles?
>>332085281
His point is wizards with gun vs wizards not muggles vs wizards.
>>332073686
The weakness of mail is it puts it's weight entirely on the shoulders because it merely hangs on the wearer. If you want to go full historical, it was common to use belts and straps to alter the weight distribution more evenly on the body. Making it far easier to move in.. and a good deal less tiring.
That said yes, that picture is obvious fantasy wank. As is all fantasy. What's you're point?
>>332085562
How about magic vs technology? I haven't seen any of those niggers walk on the Moon.
>>332068334
This, I haven't read them in 20 years but I believe he did quite a bit more casting in the books.
>>332085476
No, it is the opposite actually.
Muggles outnumber the Wizards so badly it isn't even funny, and they should there ever be conflict between the two, with modern tech, the muggles would slaughter the wizards.
That is why the Wizards stay hidden. How would governments react if they were suddenly made aware of a whole group of people with supernatural abilities that could be easily used to depose and destabilize countries? You'd have some sort of Wizard Xman project going up instantly, with governments trying to either weaponize the wizards, study them, or eliminate them due to the potential threat they pose.
>>332085107
I think his plan was just to take over the world because that's what villains do? And he rounded up crazy bigots for cronies and let them perform ethnic cleansing on non-purebloods while none of them ever seemed to bring up the fact that he wasn't a pureblood himself and it's not like it was a secret that his name was tom riddle? Unless Riddle is coincidentally the name of a wizard family I don't know what the fuck is going on
harry potter was stupid
>>332066563
>Harry "harry stu" potter vs gandalf
depends on who is writing it.
if it's that hack rowling, then harry would win
if anyone else, gandalf
>>332065539
He's literally an angel, he casts miracles of the gods.
>>332085950
That was sarcasm in my last post, obviously they would be dicked. The concept of a thermonuclear explosion being explained to wizards of all ages would make them shit.
>>332065539
I think he's got an aura in that he motivates and possibly even heals nearby soldiers.
>>332065732
I really do miss the good old days when "fantasy" wasn't synonymous with "there's gonna be elves and dwarves and dragons and shit"
>>332065539
I havent read the books, when he was charging downhill with Eomer and rohirrim, was that only the sun or did he amplify the sun's beam with magic or something to blind the uruk?
>>332086465
>I havent read the books
How many years would it take to grow a beard as magnificent as his? That's his real power right there
>>332065539
gandalf is the DM PC, he has whatever spells or fighting abilities the plot demands
>>332085950
Even worse, the harry potter wizard community is so insular and out of touch with the rest of mankind they don't even know what the muggles are capable of.
>>332080543
>>332080678
>>332081316
Eru Iluvatar THANKS Melkor for his discordant additions to the melody, as they made the melody more rich and beautiful.
'Course this only makes Melkor angry because he wanted to be scolded.
>>332073686
It's just fantasy stuff, not all that useful in real life
typically mail armor would be supported with a belt, because if you didn't have one all the weight of the armor would rest on your shoulders
>>332086907
that's not how it went down. He basically patronized Melkor with a pat on the back like you would a retarded child who just smeared paint on a poster the class was making together, and then gently told him not to pull any shit like that again.
He's a wizard in a low magic campaign.
>>332086907
I seem to remember something to that effect.
>yfw Melkor is a troll and they didn't take his bait
>>332081316
Sauron was the petty one who wanted to rule the mortals, Melkor was only interested in preserving his chaos.
I'd love to read all the books, they look interesting as fuck. Too bad I spend all of my free time playing videogames and doing other shit
>>332077873
>Gandalf
/white magic
Uses nature, animals, few elemental spells, buff spells
Bonus=pretty much coined the term wizard
Lina
/black magic
/shamanism
Drops fucking nukes every day
Gonna give this one to Lina boss.
>>332079716
i thought it was implied if the song ever starts up again is pretty much the end of the world. I also love how when the god of that universe interferes for once it sinks a fucking continent. Woops.
>>332088524
You know, omelets and broken eggs
>>332067437
Why carry a tower shield when using a weapon that must be swung on a very wide arc?
