Roger Ebert has come back to life, and you have the chance to let him play ONE game to prove that they aren't all just advanced toys, boring grindfests, or media meant to be played for a few hours and then left alone with no meaningful impact on your life.
Which game do you choose?
Surgeon Simulator
Rapelay
games are like comic books and movies. the more people try to make it high art the shittier it gets.
>>332012712
Ebert was right, I'd concede that I share a hobby with children.
Some H-Game
>>332012712
Undertale
Check mate ;)
Pathologic is an easy and obvious answer, but in reality, I would never give enough fucks about what Ebert thinks about games in the first place.
Ghostbusters videogame. The true sequel will we never have
>>332012712
There's no reason to, deciding if something should be regarded as "art" is just a big circlejerk of nonsense, on both sides.
>>332012712
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmcnJyOyu34
>>332012712
Bioshock.
>>332012712
why would i try to per-sway someone against the truth
>>332013497
/thread
>>332012712
Games require input and skills. Unless he was revived much younger, he'd never appreciate video games.
>>332012712
He should've gotten a ninja mask or something and rolled with it
his face will never cease to look terrifyingly silly
>>332012712
Angry Birds
Ebert was wrong that video games aren't art. But.. there has yet to be one single profound game. Unlike, cinema, paintings, statues, literature, music, etc.
>>332014207
Probably because he doesn't have a jaw, it's just a meatflap
>>332014673
What made you think I wasn't aware of that?
>>332012712
that mohammed gay sex simulator
I don't waste my time and show him some movies that have come out since then that I think he might find favorable.
Final Fantasy X or VI
>>332012712
Metal Gear Solid 1+2. Can't do MGS2 without MGS1 prior.
>>332014990
Actually you can quite easily.
>>332012712
MGS 2 and Dark Souls
Man I would have given up long before this point
>>332015156
>dark souls
now there's a pretty meme.
>>332015481
yes well it's worth trying when you're the world's most renowned movie critic.
when you're just a shitposter on /v/ you should give up before attaining wizard status
the last of us
>>332014647
Thief 1 and Thief 2?
i'd drop him into elite dangerous with an HMD, HOTAS, and pedals.
>>332015602
You say that as if critics are anything more than paid hobbyists
Lisa
>>332015752
I agree with you, but the rest of the world does not. He was famous, well liked, generously paid, and had a respected opinion.
>>332015481
>speaks out against video games
>loses ability to speak
Feel the wrath.
>>332015086
You don't get the full affect of MGS2's narrative. It doesn't truly work without playing MGS1 prior.
>>332012712
No Man Sky
>>332013128
This entirely.He'd ragequit it and die again, anyway
>>332015752
They're often less. Notably, most music critics can't play an instrument pretty much disqualifying them as hobbyists.
>>332012712
Pic related.
But then again, Ebert gave the Star Wars prequels high marks. How credible can his opinion really be?
>>332012712
I don't know who this man is, but i have heard his name vaguely before, from what i gather he was some sort of critic.
A fucking critic.
A critic is a man who literally sells his opinions, i doesn't matter what he bases his opinions on, it's all a product of his own view, which in turn is a product of his own society and upbringing. As all points of view are relative, so every thing that can be seen has a different value for he who sees it.
If it is art or not it doesn't matter, the very definition of art changed throughout the years. Art is what we want it to be, to put it into a pedestal that all other products of creativity should aim for to be recognized as worthy is a narrow-minded view.
If a game is important to me or to someone else that is all that matters. I will remember things like Bastion, Homeworld, Cilivilization, Flower, Call of Duty or even Flappy bird for what they are and for their value in my view. I will remember the great, the exceptional ones for as long as i would remember the greatest movie in the world and maybe even longer.
>>332015481
Makes me laugh every time
>>332015481
i was scrolling down to see if this was posted
thanks
>>332012712
Undertale of course!
No such thing. Games are games, not art.
Your "art" games are not really games, they're movies/stories with forced bad pseudo-game sections to appeal to modern "gamer" idiots.
>>332019292
Define Art.
>>332019357
Not games.
>>332019292
That's a pretty simplisticand stupiddefinition of games, anon
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5VDXVWl.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>332019357
>Define Art
Games are no more art than videos, texts, images, or sound. Art is not defined by medium.
>>332019547
If you can say what is or what isn't art then you have some idea, some defining features of what is art.
![silent_hill_2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DV6Lx3x.jpg "silent_hill_2[1].jpg")
>>332019292
I disagree
>>332019669
That doesn't mean that a game can't be art, though, which is what Ebert is saying.
>>332019292
You're not trying hard enough if you're not looking beyond mainstream swill like Last of Us and MGS.
I would have him play Journey. I'm sure it would resonate with him.
>>332019507
>stupid
Um, no, it's THE ONLY definition of games, you fucking underage moron.
I swear to fuck, EVERY SINGLE NUGAMER MILLENNIAL FUCKTARD needs to be REQUIRED to play pre-1995 games for at least 3-4 years before trying to play this modern shit. Modern gaming would die because you'd all understand how shit they were.
>>332019958
>muh lisa is so deep! undertale too!
hipster detected
>>332019958
Name decent, actual games released in the last 5 years or so. You can't because they're all focused on some bullshit story taking over and they all have horrible gameplay that acts like the developers have never played any old games with decent gameplay to figure out how it all works, or more likely, don't care because the main focus of the "game" is the bullshit story.
>>332020296
MGSV
Gone Home
>>332020296
dragon's dogma.
>>332020818
you just don't understand art
>>332012712
Braid. You're welcome humanity.
>>332020925
>cutscenes
>horrible skewed camera that everything gets in the way of with terrible fucking combat controls
How about try again?
>>332015481
my fucking eyes
Roger Ebert didn't actually believe games were toys and only said they weren't art because it triggered a bunch of nerds on the internet.
He would later play Shadow of the Colossus which changed his views:
http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/okay-kids-play-on-my-lawn
>>332020048
>Reflexive definition of games
>My definition is the only definition, you're wrong!
You're an idiot, go fuck yourself, and I'll be glad when your generation is gone from the earth.
>I swear to fuck, EVERY SINGLE NUGAMER MILLENNIAL FUCKTARD needs to be REQUIRED to play pre-1995 games for at least 3-4 years before trying to play this modern shit. Modern gaming would die because you'd all understand how shit they were.
M-muh argument of experience
things were better in the old days
with muh shitty unintuitive hardcore gameplay and terrible graphics
no stories, just grind gameplay
real men only play old gaems
Refer point one, go fuck yourself.
>>332015481
>after chewing 5gum
>>332021092
so cutsenes are completely bad now?
and yeah, the camera was pretty shitty when clinging to stuff, but don't say older games didn't have camera problem either.
as far as rpg goes, it's probably the most gameplay-oriented in semi-recent releases
>>332020818
MGSV was a decent game. You fucks just had too high of expectations and got fucked over.
>>332019669
Just screwing wit u nigga, i know only enough not to try.
>>332021390
to be fait it was hyped like the second coming of jesus.
>>332015481
What was the point of keeping that flap of flesh? He'd have looked significantly less silly without it.
>>332021217
You didn't read that article.
>>332021217
>He would later play Shadow of the Colossus which changed his views:
"I still believe this, but I should never have said so." etc etc
Ebert has fucking stupid opinions, and you should read things before you post them.Even if you are suggesting that the content of this article is itself a ruse, it doesn't excuse him being a stupid berk.
>>332021343
Go play old games. Now. Don't stop until enlightened.
You fucking idiots have ruined videogaming. You know it deep inside and won't admit it.
Fuck off.
>>332021376
They're bad when they are basically all the game are.
>older games didn't have camera problems
I don't count your "older games" as old games. Mario 64 was the beginning of shit games, and it's put on a fucking pedestal of 10/10 LOLPERFECT games when its camera is fucking god-awful and the controls are hideous.
It's because gaming tried to expand by making "casual", unfocused, sloppy games that appeal to the dumb masses back in the mid-90s that gaming is such shit now.
>>332021508
is MGS the most viraled game on /v/?
>>332021217
>He would later play Shadow of the Colossus which changed his views:
He specifically says that he DIDN'T play any video game, and only agrees that video games may be art because he can't come up with a good definition of art. You are really dumb, bro.
>>332021345
>>332014647
That's because there are no new profound ideas left that early mediums such as painting and writing haven't already explored in some fashion.
What are these profound movies and songs you speak of? Sounds like you're just elevating other mediums for the sake of your argument without actually having thought about this.
>>332020003
Don't worry buddy. I liked your post.
>it's a "games are (not) art" thread
rip bobby the brain heenan
