Did you practice bidou tech today, anon?
>>332007661
Is this the new gimmick you nerds use to separate yourself from others?
>>332007661
i don't play games for children
>332008792
Pro tip, anon:
All video games are for children at their core.They're toys.
>>332008792
All games are for children though so yes you do.
>>332007661
>spend thousands of hours practicing tech to give slight advantage
>sakurai patches it out
>>332007661
I did. I managed to do sliding crouch cancel and Sliding spot dodge with Shulk.
Not gonna say im gonna use it on tournaments or something else
>>332007661
nope
i play real fighting games
like pokken
>>332008515
>Oh no, someone is better at me than something, better call him a nerd! Oh wait, I'm on /v/!! LOL
>>332009914
Smash damage control is a beautiful thing.
Until Smash players are forced to use B specials instead of short hop attacks, grabs and wavedash shit, I'm not playing this game.
>>332008515
Lol m8 practicing tech is like going to the gym to get better at a sport, of course you're trying to separate yourself, that's the fucking point.
So, is the game the same "shield hop around like a retard and grab dudes, maybe hit them hard with a normal attack" it was in the N64 days?
Always hated how the game had all these moves, items and shit, but it always came down to three moves. Shield hop, hard A button hit and grab.
>can't be done on gamecube controller
sorry bub, I like going to tournaments
>The momentum of your running speed does not carry over to the speed of your jump
You know, the one gameplay feature that was standard back in the 80's? yeah, this is missing from "smash" 4
>It actually has a 10 (ten) frame input assist buffer. Ten fucking frames.
>No light shield
>You can't tilt your shield
>Perfect shielding does NOT reflect projectiles
>No L-cancel
Have fun with your character having 5 seconds of aerial landing lag
>No diagonal air dodge that you can not spam a million times
>Because it doesn't have Diagonal Air Dodging, it's also lacking:
>Wavedashing
>Wavelanding
>Ledge dashes
>Wavedash out of shield into Anything
From the top of my head. Now, let's continue what else is missing from the game.
>Jump canceled grabs
>Boost grabs
>No Platfrom cancel
>Shield dropping is useless
>Despite the fact that DI is abysmal in "smash" 4 and doesn't do much, there are still no actual combos
>No Chain grabs
>The ledges are magnetic with a grab range bigger than the fucking blast zones
Add all that with the hundreds of character specific stuff missing, like:
>You can NOT jump out of fox's shine
>No short hop double fair with marth
etc
>No Dash Dancing
And it's just very slow overall. The conclusion being that:
>anybody who prefers "smash" 4 over Melee, has never made it past the super casual level of Melee.
and or
>Melee is actually older than him
and or
>He can't have more than 50 apm
Or..
>It's just honestly a Really hard game that needs thousands upon thousands of hours practice to get good at. So i can understand why people would prefer smash 4.
But, a higher skill ceiling means more satisfaction and in turn, more fun.
This is the truth and i am sorry.
P.S.
The uundispuable fact as of why Melee is better than "smash" 4. You CAN play melee like you would play smash 4. Just ignore everything listed above. On the other hand, you can NOT play "smash" 4 like you would play Melee. The game won't let you.
>>332011804
Everything in that post is true. But smash 4 is still a good game in its own right.
Cloud is really fun to play as.
It'll get patched out. You're wasting your time.
>>332011804
Are these problems with the Bidou tech or Smash 4 in general?
>>332007661
No matter how hard you try it'll never be Melee
>>332012136
>neo /v/
>>332007661
I don't think it be long term or practical.
>My diagnosis after playing the full day with this tech is heavily leaning to the idea that it's a no-go.
>Using the attack button and the c stick on the exact same frame will yield whatever aerial you pushed on the c stick, but in my opinion this is just not precise enough. You also lose the ability to buffer frame perfect up airs out of jump squat when not using tilt stick, which really opens a lot of doors for Falcon and others.
>You're trading these things for what? The main thing is that it gives you full control over perfect pivots, letting you buffer stuff during the slide. As cool as that sounds, it's still extremely situational and you're sacrificing reliability in something that you're gonna be using constantly the entire match long.
>It would be worth it if you could do the slide etc at any time like a wavedash but you can ONLY perform this out of the initial dash and it doesn't even override your current momentum, making it much MUCH less useful.
>I don't think this tech will last that long in the grand scheme of things. I think it will fall into obscurity just like it did when it first was found. You are pretty much better off simply mastering normal perfect pivoting and focusing on other areas of the game while maintaining tilt stick.
>>332011804
>you can't tilt your shield
You still can in Smash 4.
>>332011804
Half the things you spout out are actually pros.
>>332007661
Bidou is literally all of the negative shit about melee's tech barrier, exploits, etc. x10 while still being about 1/5 as useful as something like wavedashing. The irony of this is hilarious
>>332008792
I bet my dick you do.
>>332012662
>1/5 as useful
Seems pretty useful to me.
>>332007661
how 2 """""wave dash""" in other (real) fighting games
>press the way you want to go, twice, kind of fast.
>try to have a sm4sh thread
>waveyiffing brigade barges in
Every time
>>332012241
Nice Reddit Head, gayboy
>>332012241
Good?
I don't want to main fox.
>>332012241
tfw when Melee is not even about the game anymore, its about the players and the history behind them. Once Mango retires its RIP Melee
>bidou tech
if the names for these things get any more retarded i think i'm just gonna stop playing smash
>>332007661
i know you guys are loud so you feel like you have more representation(its just the 'tism), but youve all already proven youre an unbearable cancerous community (sm4sh and melee). no one cares, get some friends, go home.
>>332012959
Blame the documentary. Created a whole generation of stream monster Redditors following the Melee soap opera.
>>332013691
Apparently theres a Brawl and Smash 4 documentary in the works. More autism. More neckbeards
So is Bidou going to take off or how is it looking?
>>332013868
Oh great, more of this gay-ass rivalry shit.
>>332012959
>>332013691
Damn... I guess i will have to stop going to locals then and having fun.
>>332010706
>of course you're trying to separate yourself, that's the fucking point.
>>332014054
Uh no? Nobody is talking to or about you if you actually do play in tourneys. Why so defensive?
bidou: the NEW, overly complicated and completely pointless way to shieldgrab
>>332014330
Because the tons of friends i made in those said locals, and the great time i am having is just artificial. I don't like the game, i only like the e-sports drama around it.
/v/ opened my eyes. Thanks.
>>332009498
This is my biggest fear.
What a fucking shitty dev team they are though.
I would hope that if a dev team saw this, knew how much work it would take, and knew they needed to patch it, that at least ONE of them would say something to us.
But no. One day it'll update and kill this entire thing.
I mean, Brawl fixed this by making it just input jump. And Project:Meme had this problem until they patched it out. So it's not like it would be hard to fix.
>>332014078
>>332014184
>>332014407
kek
but seriously, the gym at beginning of the year is fucking awful and hilarious at the same time. I hate that it takes about a month to go back to normal
>>332014646
Man you are sure defensive about something that I explicitly stated does not apply to you. What crawled up your anus?
>>332011804
I appreciate the time you took to write this. Or at least find a copy of it somewhere.
Most of that critique is valid. And while I completely agree that Melee seems like the better game, you can't deny some things about Smash 4.
>Ledge trumping leads to more interesting ledge play than "oops you can't grab the ledge, dead."
>Instant shield drops lead to more of a punish game.
>Which in turn leads into more of a mind-game, instead of a reaction game.
>this mind-game change makes combos less important. Instead of 'pick the best combo' it becomes 'optimal punish for each attack'
>Most, if not all characters are more or less on equal footing, especially after buffs/nerfs
>Fucking bowser is a BEAST
There's a lot less pros than cons, but it's not nearly as bad as Brawl was. Smash 4 is competitive, but comparing it to Melee is like comparing bat-shit-insane Marvel vs Capcom and something tame like Street Fighter or Pokken
>>332011619
>wanting to relearn the controller you use in melee/PM
Only a scrub would think this. The true issue is that we're playing with fire by exposing this. They already patched out DACUS, so if there's a way to fix this, they will.
>>332014078
>>332014184
>>332014407
I always forget how fucking funny these are honestly, toppest of keks.
>>332015369
Its been a thing at Japan for months
>>332008792
theres not that many adult rated games anon
>>332015369
People have known about this for over a year, and the tech itself has been in the game since launch.
It's not going anywhere.
>>332015369
Wait, there used to be a DACUS in Sm4sh???
>>332014407
Will the tall russian dyke ever get with the thick chick?
>>332011804
>No L-cancel
I would be perfectly happy if the lag from air attacks was just automatically as short as an L-canceled aerial is. There's literally no reason to ever not L-cancel, and it really just serves as an entry barrier for low skill players.
>>332015768
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ismOSX5zTY
>>332016242
>Smash 4 Waiting Room
What? How?
>>332015335
>>Ledge trumping leads to more interesting ledge play than "oops you can't grab the ledge, dead."
...Dude, the edge guarding game in melee is at least 50 times cooler than in smash 4. No competition.
>Instant shield drops lead to more of a punish game.
Have you... have you ever played melee?
>Most, if not all characters are more or less on equal footing, especially after buffs/nerfs
This is just not true
>Fucking bowser is a BEAST
And marth is a piece of shit in smash 4. Your point?
isn't the point of bidou that it makes everything easier? the problem is getting used to the weird control schemeneeded
>>332007661
Jesus, at least make it a webm anon.
>>332014829
How does gymrats cope up with "new years resolution" fags? Do they avoid the gym or do they carry on with whatever?
>>332016242
>Patched out of Wii U Version
mfw
>>332010706
In that case I rather go to the fucking gym instead of spending hours on a stupid ass tech.
>>332016559
>Fucking bowser is a BEAST
>And marth is a piece of shit in smash 4. Your point?
His point is, while not everyone is top tier, everyone is at least viable now.
Even Dorf and Zelda are playable now.
>>332014407
>>332014184
It's missing Dom Mazetti running around the gym in every panel yelling BRO TIP/SUPA SET/REPS FOR JESUS.
>>332016559
>...Dude, the edge guarding game in melee is at least 50 times cooler than in smash 4. No competition.
It is objectively less interesting.
>This is just not true
>"more or less"
Not even the anon you're arguing with, but you just sound retarded. I bet you haven't even played the game.
>And marth is a piece of shit in smash 4.
Marth is high to mid tier at worst.
>>332015952
A missng L-cancel could cost you the game. You could use it to bait as well. It highers the skill ceiling. the L-cancel timing is different in every situation. For example, if you knee with falcon an enemy' shield, you have to press L quite a few frames later because of the stun.
And no, Auto-L cancel is stupid. We've been through this before.
If that's the case, is there a reason to not Wall tech everytime? Should this become automatic as well? What about JC grabs? Should they become automatic as well? Or short hops? Etc etc.
Stop being a scrub in other words. You have 7 entire frames to press L before hitting the ground. That's a days in time in the heat of the moment in melee.
fuck off baby smash players
>>332016864
Nobody is forcing you, anon.
>At least we get patches, Meleefags! Enjoy your shit balance!
>Bidoof tech will get patched out as soon as it becomes more widespread and people complain about it being abused in For Glory
>>332016979
>>...Dude, the edge guarding game in melee is at least 50 times cooler than in smash 4. No competition.
>It is objectively less interesting.
It just isn't.
>Marth is high to mid tier at worst.
He's consitently been placed at the nbottom of every patch. And it's true. Marth is just sad t play in smash 4.
Have YOU ever played smash 4?
>>332010601
>>332011467
why is there always that one faggot who's played the game for five minutes and thinks they know what they're talking about?
>>332016685
I think bidou is a shining example of just how far down the shitter smash has gone mechanically. Having to go through all this non-intuitive bullshit just to reach a level of decent movement options is a travesty and even then it's still not as useful as something as simple as wavedashing. This bidou stuff is everything that melee tech was said to be in terms of arbitrary tech barriers
>>332017248
Are you talking about Sm4sh or Melee?
>>332017019
None of those things are things that you would want to do all the time. L Cancel is.
>>332007661
Shitposting on /ssbg/ wasn't enough so you came here huh?
>>332007661
too busy practicing 0 to hero bayonetta
>>332017248
>not as useful as something as simple as wavedashing
I dunno, anon. Frame-perfect movements are pretty important
>average Sm4sh fag complains about the stupid inputs and complications and glitches on Melee
>Sm4sh gets something similar
>HAHA ISNT THIS FUCKING AWESOME MELEE IS DEAD
I wish this 2 fanbases would just start making out already you faggots
>>332017368
What? Literally the ONLY time you would not want to JC grab with marth is if you play against puff.
And why wouldnt you want to wall tech a shine spike?
Have you ever played melee?
Why am i evern arguing with someone who has troubles with l canceling.
>>332017426
I'm done with this shitty game
>>332014407
>the guy holding the invisible watermelons
>>332010601
So, you haven't actually played Smash since someone destroyed you in Melee 10 years ago and you're still butthurt, is that right?
>>332017310
Smash 4 obviously. You have to jump through hoops just to come close to the level of character control you had in melee.
>>332017467
wavedashing would make all of this shit obsolete, is easier to do, and has other applications like wavelanding
>>332017368
Kill yourself casual babbie. Into the tr4sh with you.
>>332017426
Bayonetta and DuckCunt are the bane of my existence.
>>332016864
It sounds like you like physical fitness and not video games. That's your interest and that's cool, some people have interests different to you. You should try the 4chan board /fit/! It's full of like-minded people and /v/ will have a comparatively low number of people with interests regarding fitness.
>>332017426
HIS FUCKING FACE
>>332017426
I dont play smash 4. Why was diddy kong is so much stun even after getting hit multiple times?
Who thought this was a good idea?
>>332011804
>You can't tilt your shield
But you can
>Perfect shielding does NOT reflect projectiles
This is not a bad thing
>Shield dropping is useless
not true
>Despite the fact that DI is abysmal in "smash" 4 and doesn't do much, there are still no actual combos
Also not true
>No Chain grabs
Definitely not a bad thing.
>You can NOT jump out of fox's shine
Not a bad thing
Most everything else is true though.
>>332017675
>tr4sh
What is this? Kindergarten insults?
>>332017864
>>Perfect shielding does NOT reflect projectiles
>This is not a bad thing
Stopped reading there
>>332017854
Bayonetta has a gimmick where she plays almost exactly like she does in her games.
This includes freezing time and doing insane combos.
The idea behind her character is that someone could move straight from her game to Smash 4 and not have to get adjusted to a new control scheme.
>>332009498
Apparently this tech has been around for awhile. My smash corner just got around to doing a video about it though.
>>332017985
Reflecting should be left to reflectors, not something everyone can do.
>>332017854
Why should getting hit not put you in hitstun? This isn't Brawl where you can cancel hitstun.
>>332017603
>>332017238
lol why do you losers assume I project? I never do any of that shit and still have no problem winning. But the fact of the matter is that's what most players do. It's boring to play against, not difficult to win against.
>>332017238
Because that is all there is really to the game. Using fancy words for the ways in which the three moves are used is just describing how you curl up your fingers when playing rock paper scissors.
>But I totally rock-canceled into a scissor! Shit was so cash!
The game is embarrassingly simple, and the amount of useless shit that is clearly meant to be useful contained in it is rather sad.
>>332007661
I 100% guarantee nobody of note will use this. Cap this fucking post.
The cstick being set to special instead of tilt or smash already puts you a fucking huge disadvantage. You can already PP with default controls, changing it to this makes it easier and you can crouch while doing it (WOWOWOWOWOOW!!!!!). You can also already ledge trump, but this again just makes it easier at the expense of having a cstick.
>little fucking 2 frame saves on walking to running
Yeah this is fucking dumb. I saw this months ago and said the same exact thing. This isn't a wavedash, this is hardly even tech, just drop it.
>>332011467
Shield hop? Hard A button press? Is this advanced tech anon? Please teach me.
>>332017426
is this just a bait webm now? you can DI out of that
>>332018327
Ok so you never played melee. Just say so from the start.
>daily melee threads happen without too much shitposting
>new thing happens in sm4sh meta
>thread instantly derailed by wave of UGH TR4SHFAGS TR4SHFAGS TR4SHFAGS
>barely anybody talks about happenings and thread is centered around an autist's page long thesis about why they don't like sm4sh
getting exited for new things is suffering
>>332014407
>Undertale characters and One Punch Man
Hilarious
>>332018585
sm4sh threads always got invaded by TR4SH spammers, nothing new
i'm pretty sure those aren't the same people who post in the melee threads, just shitposters and streammonsters who play neither game
>>332016559
>And marth is a piece of shit in smash 4. Your point?
Marth is solid in smash 4. Sitting in the giant blob known as the Mid Tier.
>>332018210
the hack-n-slash tap-A-to-win character is designed for 'i want to tap-A-to-win' players.
its worse than p2w at that point, its pay to invalidate the need to play the game
>>332017864
>>332018327
Reflecting with perfect shield was way worse than a reflector, so it wasn't that big of a deal to have around.
kek
I'm trying to perfect pivot but my character at the end of one is re-facing a direction.
for example: Move to the left (left stick), then pivot to the right (right stick) then there is a pivot but he faces to the left
>>332018460
>uses a gamecube controller
alright babyhands, maybe try using a full controller
>Did you practice the yet again a soon-to-be-patched-out exploit today, anon?
nah
>>332018919
I use the Pro Controller chum. It functions exactly like a cstick, what else would I call it?
>>332018769
I'm not saying it's ridiculous or broken or anything.
I just believe reflecting should be exclusive to reflecting moves, not a universal thing.
>>332018537
I've played Melee since 2001, chum.
>>332012787
Better than forced to be a 5.99 Bayonigga
>>332019050
When Sakurai told the Smashers to play a real fighting game
>>332018769
>Gray Fox
wat
>>332007661
>do all these fucking steps to do something that essentially only half of what a wavedash is
No thanks. I probably dont need it either. For my level of play I can just take a step back or forward by dashing/walking and it accomplishes the exact same shit. Would only be a big factor and higher levels where you need every split second you can get in all the micro interactions. And even then I doubt many high level players will even use this
>>332019108
left and right analog, like a human being. the gcube c-stick is just the bastardized evolution of the n64 c-buttons.
>>332019494
Assist trophy. I didn't realise he reflected though, that's neat.
>Home-Run Bat reflects with 2x power
How horrifying
>>332019050
>patching out an "exploit" in since the start of the game, known in detail for over half a year
???
>>332019404
>he's brings up Shitua Fighter
>wondering why it's not big overseas
such a fucking shitty series
>>332019771
>since the start of the game, known in detail for over half a year
>nothing new
why's everybody so excited about it then?
>>332019494
Secret Character.
To unlock him you need to beat Classic mode on the highest difficulty with Snake 500 times and call Sakurai while he's sleeping at home.
He'll give you a code individually signed to your copy of Brawl, which you enter by creating a very specific custom stage in the editor.
Not as fun as wavedashing. I like muh scootz
>>332019771
they patched out peach's infinite recently so anything is possible
>>332019108
i bet you call bumpers z-buttons.
>>332020015
because the initial video was in Japanese and hard to understand, someone translated and more clearly showed what it was about
>>332020015
a big channel recently brought it into light, when before it was just some japanese dude showing off something he found
>>332019589
>>332020091
It's only in regards to Smash you fucking dumbfucks.
>>332018905
>you're holding the left stick too long. You have to flick it
The real problem with this technique is that it, like all other techniques in this game related to movement, is tied to the length of a character's dash and cannot be changed to fit the situation.
>>332020083
they didn't, they just limited it
there aren't any real advanced techniques they patched out after the first patch
>>332020514
At least you can tap up on your left stick to instantly stop dashing with this tech.
>>332021768
That's out of a run. Your initial dash animation cannot be canceled except with a grab or jumpsquat unless you're within a few frames of startup. It basically means characters with long initial dashes get the shaft with techniques such as this (and also being able to dash forward into your shield) to approach.
>losing hard against my bf with him as Bayo and me as Mew2
>switch tactics and just shield grab the whole match
>win every time
Omg why would I do anything else when I can hide behind my shield and just punish when I see him comming for a grab this game suuuuucks
>>332016559
>using pointless elipses
Did you practice whining today, anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7HZPHG0r70
