What are your thoughts on indie developers?
has HLD officially attained vaporware status?
>>332001729
Some are pretty good
>>332001832
no. i filled out a kickstarter survey about a week ago asking which platforms i wanted to play it on
>>332001729
some of them have cool art styles
some of them are fun to play while waiting for AAA games to come out
>>332001832
>This game will unlock in approximately 5 days and 21 hours
They sure do make some indie games
Indie games are really hit and miss.
They can be amazing games you'll think about for days or they'll be the game you refund after 20 minutes.
HLD does look pretty sweet though.
>>332001729
That they should hire talented employees or stop viral marketing their shit that would be embarrassing in 1992.
>tfw HLD is a 1:1 copy of radio the universe
>Less interesting but with better art
>RtU has become vaporwave
Ah well, at least we'll get some cool spritework
>>332001729
Just found out about Hyper Light Drifter through the most recent trailer, I hope it doesn't turn out to be some four-hour game with no replayability.
Indifferent. I just don't get how "indie" games can't be considered "A/AA" games.
>>332002254
>Vaporwave
I've fucked it
>>332001729
Still waiting for Ghost Song and Routine.
There was some Einhänder knockoff named Heavenly Valiant or something like that, but that one's probably dead.
>>332001729
Ingredients for an Indie Game:
>Pixelshit artstyle
>Pretentious storyline that faggots eat up
>2 hours of game for 20 dollars
>Retarded fucking gimmick that gets old halfway through the game
>Either an EBIC RETRO SOUNDTRACK and shitty sound design, or no music and no sound design to speak of
>Usually some retarded Let's Player plays it
It's all the same fucking shit.
I never thought we'd reach an age where the AAAs are better than the indies.
Also, a good rule to follow is:
>Has a major LPer played it?
>If "Yes", then ignore the game or pirate it if you're really that interested.
Like everything in life 99% of indies are shit.
Im finding Rabi-Ribi to be great fun atm though.
>inb4 pretentious
>>332001729
They're shit compared to AA developers like Platinum Games, Vanillaware. And most of them choose "retro" graphics because they're lazy.
Really looking forward Bloodstained though. An indie without a shit artstyle.
>>332002628
You do realize that all games have been played by some "retarded lets player"?
Also Darkest Dungeon breaks all those ingredients.
>>332002628
>>332002757
So close, anon.
>>332002762
>And most of them choose "retro" graphics because they're lazy
In 99% of cases it's actually because there's no other feasible way to bring the game to completion within a reasonable time frame. Most indies are broke as fuck and working completely alone or in a small team. Bloodstained is being worked on by 80 people.
>>332002762
>And most of them choose "retro" graphics because they're lazy.
Or because that's the best they can do, artwise, without hiring a professional artist.
>>332001729
Salt & Sanctuary is pretty great.
>>332002892
Uh define "break" because some retarded LPer HAS played it. And there ARE retarded gimmicks in it.
>>332003635
You fucking retard. Every game has been played by a retarded lets player, even your precious AAAs that you adore so much, so you cant count that as a negative or a positive for any game.
You really need to learn what gimmicks are too.
>>332002065
>some of them are fun to play while waiting for AAA games to come out
Do you think we are in early 2000?
>/v/ has become so contrarian that it defends cash grab AAA games because ewww indies
Either that or reddit is actually leaking in.
>>332003979
>Either that or reddit is actually leaking in
>>332001729
Stop the pixelated horseshit.
I don't care if you keep using chiptunes, but for the love of fuck get some graphic design going.
>>332002223
The exact same fucking thing can be said about AAA games.
>>332006832
Pixel art can be fine, it's just that these people aren't very good artists.
>>332003979
>Either that or reddit is actually leaking in.
You're a few years too late, friend
Let me answer your question with another question:
What are your thoughts on game developers?
And to answer that question, some are cool while others aren't.
>>332001832
http://store.steampowered.com/app/257850/
No
You guys play dustforce? Good platforming fun, with a fantastic soundtrack. Not chip tune either. I got the soundtrack with it and still listen to it.
>>332007705
Dustforce is the best precision platformer.
It's tight, the visual style is good, and the OST is excellent.
When you're actually good at a stage and watch your play through it looks so easy and beautifulbut you know just how many eggs were broken making that run.
>>332002254
wtf? They're really similar. How is that I didn't know this?
>>332002628
Binding of Isaac
People who hate on indie games as a general group are fucking retards. Indie games can be just as good, if not better than AAA games, it all depends on the devs. Not all indie devs are some faggots who make derivative games.
On that note, I've been playing Salt and Sanctuary and that game is fucking amazing, I was shocked to discover it's had a 2 man team.
>>332001832
It comes out on the 31st, with the console versions coming in the summer. They announced it less than a week ago.
![TTP_DLC_Screenshot_1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6OYTlKL.jpg "TTP_DLC_Screenshot_1[1].jpg")
>>332002628
So tell me retardobot, where does this game fit into your totally fucking backwards worldview?
> It's all the same fucking shit.
No, you tired old shitposting cunts are.
>>332010521
Pretty much this
>>332001729
Trash.
Independent developers are okay in my book though.
>>332001729
this looks nice, what is it
Perversion of the market. They should be shunned.
Games are supposed to be funded up front by companies beholden to shareholders, which offers the best chance for the free market to control the design of the game.
>>332010521
It is significantly easier to make a game when you can copy so much of the world and mechanical designs from other titles.
>>332003979
Being against "indie" devs does not mean supporting AAAs. Hell, "Indies" often have AAA backing anyway.
>>332001729
they will be purged in the reckoning
>>332010985
True, but there are a buttload of mediocre games out there that copy the mechanics of other games. S&S is the best 2d metroidvania game i've played in like, 10 years, and I don't mind the dark souls stuff they took, the game as a whole is still reeally good.
>>332002298
People were saying the old beta/demo thing was around two to three hours of content.
>>332010865
Hyper Light Drifter, a kickstarter project that launched a few years ago. It's coming out next week for PC.This shit started development months after Mighty No. 9 and it's going to be hitting the market well before it. Way to go Comcept you fucks.
>>332011359
thx
>>332001729
I think they're desperately clinging on to their comfort zone era of gaming (the 90s).
I think most people who like indie games are like minded individuals who are too jaded to wake up and accept the ever changing industry so they instead eat up every 8-16 bit thing that comes their way and proclaim it a masterpiece because they're starving and desperate for content that feels warm and familiar.
I like a lot of indie games just as well as I like new games but they do a lot of damage to the community as a whole by giving the people with nostalgia implants fuel.....if they died out and those people went with them I think we'd be better for it.
>>332001729
Fine with me. Some of my favourite games of last years are indies.
But I can't fucking stand most pixelshit because they are fucking lazy. OP's picture for example looks like a fucking mess.
There are exceptions tho. Shovel Knight for example is legit, even if it breaks few rules regarding NES limitations. Yacht Club Games actually gave a shit trying to make it look like a polished NES title around 1993.
>>332003258
if you can't do better than shit, then don't make anything.
do people think animating a model is harder than doing frame by frame pixel animation or something?
>>332010521
wrong, all indie games are trash, no exceptions
>>332010595
>he actually thinks this is an example of good art design
what's it like having no taste at all?
>>332011530
It's less approachable but overall easier.
>>332011614
wrong, all games are trash, no exceptions
>>332011614
What are good games then? Give recent conrete examples please.
>>332010878
This kind of thought saddens my heart. How can you be so brainwashed by the companies?
>>332011774
3D animation, I mean.
>>332011530
Traditional animation is undeniably the most difficult form of animation except maybe stop motion, but animating super low-res pixel shit sprites is not.
>>332011831
i'll let you know the first time a good game is made. until then, enjoy your low standards i guess
>>332011774
could you elaborate i dont know whether you're talking about models or sprites
afaik simply learning how to do proper elasticity in animation + color coordination is more complex than making a skeleton, filling it out and animating its processes, though you do get much more ability to improvise.
most indie games have pretty shitty color reads which is probably my biggest complaint
>>332011881
lmao fuckin hippies
>>332002254
God, I've watched the trailer. It looks pretty great. Why in the world is it not released yet?
>>332012087
So there has never been a good game recently, or before that?
>>332001729
they're great
the more games the better
>>332012085
that isnt what i asked
>>332012307
ever
>>332012373
Well, good to know you are just a shitposter. You got your yous.
>>332012484
lol, stay mad pleb
>>332010521
>Salt and Sanctuary
At first I thought the animation looked pretty janky, but overall the game looks interesting. I'll pick it up when it hits PC.
>>332012364
In order of difficulty: fully animated 2D > fully animated 3D > low res "retro" 2D
Put 2 and 2 together anon.
>>332012717
you give no example other than having a condescending opinion of low res pixel art, of which there is plenty of gorgeous stuff out there
>>332012717
>comparing apples and oranges
>>332012935
if you want people to agree pixel art can be gorgeous, you might wanna use a different image as an example
>>332013091
yea vampire savior looks like SHIT
>>332001729
>What are your thoughts on indie developers?
That there's only one good one.
>>332013146
>defending this trainwreck
>>332012176
>there's no inbetween
>>332002628
>pretentious storyline
>and indieshit story is too complex for him, so he calls it "pretentious"
t. 105 IQ brainlet
>>332012935
That isn't low res retro graphics you dumb coon. The spritesheet you posted is fully animated 2D.
>>332013038
He asked the question, anon.
>>332011186
It's an IGAvania with a Dark Souls coat of paint. I'd argue it's better than most of IGA's games too.
>>332013212
correct.
>>332013259
I don't think you comprehend what that word means.
I also find it interesting that you got defensive about the word "pretentious".
>>332013269
384 x 224 is pretty high res yea
>>332013381
Heh
>>332013615
Do you have brain damage? Are you so out of the loop that you don't comprehend what is meant by retro pixelshit?
Commit suicide
>>332013886
actually i have hit all of the qualifications, it is you my pleasant friend who may be suffering from an extra chromosome
>>332014124
You have hit all of the qualifications for brain damage? I'm sorry to hear that.
>>332014196
keep calling 384 x 224 reso from a game released 1997 not retro pixel ^________________________________________________^
>>332014292
it isn't. that's about 9 years too late.
>>332013438
>shit, he called me out... what do I do?
>oh, I'll tell him that he doesn't know what pretentious means!
t. 100 IQ
>>332014431
>i don't actually have a rebuttal and the best damage control i can come up with is just repeating the same shit i already said!
>>332014292
Is that emoticon how to scale with how far apart your eyes are, downie?
Look, I could go on like this all day, but what exactly are you trying to prove here? That with enough effort and willful ignorance you can twist the meaning of something someone said? Wow what a noble crusade.
>>332014431
So no, then? You don't know what it means? And again, why are you so defensive about that word? Been called pretentious one too many times?
>>332014620
ad hominem is very strong when you have already lost the argument
>>332007201
FUCKING FINALLY
I know what I'll be playing next weekend
>>332014757
An insult is not an ad hominem, nevermind the fact that you are doing the same exact thing. And if you read my post you might have noticed that I am trying to ask what you are even arguing in the first place.
so what the fuck happened to hyperlight drifter? the dev got sick or something?
>>332013192
>implying avernum and geneforge arent amazing series
>>332011429
>OP's picture for example looks like a fucking mess
How? I think it's pretty beautiful
>>332016076
Its literally coming out in a week.
>>332016091
lmao you actually like that plebshit
>>332016214
I'll stab you m8.
>>332016119
that's prob 'cause you have no taste
>>332016162
can't wait to pirateand buy it if I like it
>>332016276
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cobblestone+Dr,+Carlisle,+PA+17015/@40.1847871,-77.1651629,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c8e1bc35f5f48d:0xf4fae15b15e57813
i fucking wish you would try
>>332011017
Maybe if you're too retarded to understand what independent means.
>>332001729
They keep on trying to be innovative, but they introduce things that are annoying or nobody wanted in the first place.
>>332006993
Nah. AAA tend to be more formulated. They give you exactly what the box says, nothing else. Forgotten in a few days. Very rarely a good one will come through but they take way less risks than indie studios.
The great ones never come out.
The underwhelming or potentially good ones are never finished.
The bad ones get microsoft, sony, or facebook backing with youtuber e-celeb endorsements and tv ads then sell millions to little dumb kids.
They were the chosen ones. It was said that they would destroy the corrupt industry, not join them. To bring back good video games, not leave them in darkness.
>>332017035
haha remember that "FFTactics successor"? then the whole thing fell apart?
any good news stories on that one?
>>332016417
Is this you?
>>332017376
lol nah, that's an old pic, that family was pretty chill tho
>>332016417
>Carlisle
>Not where whitey goes to get away from the chimp hordes of Harrisburg.
>>332017812
>implying i'm not a nigger
>>332017852
coons don't get to cross the river
>>332001729
Actual indie developers or the "picked up unity and literally removed features to turn it into an early access walking simulator" devs?
Actual Indie devs release worthwhile games every now and then. Picture related. Character art and soundtrack are absolute trash, but the game is decently well designed and has a lot of content.
>>332017984
i built a raft (just kidding, i murdered a white guy and stole it)
I find the prospect of kickstarting indie developers to be a bad business venture at this point. I backed HLD and that game was looking like vaporware for a long time, but at least it's coming out now. I also backed That Which Sleeps, but that also looks like vaporware. The devs were silent for half a year and started to be active again a few weeks ago, but I'm not convinced. It's probably vaporware. Then there's Barkley 2. More vaporware.
Luckily I have no desire to kickstart projects anymore. I also have a new found respect for the publisher format. Some evils are just necessary.
>>332018434
>I also have a new found respect for the publisher format. Some evils are just necessary.
Amen, that reminds me of the story about the supposed PS4 exclusive "Rime" which was absolute Vaporware. The trailer which looked like gampleay was 100% cinematic, the devs made no fucking progress whatsoever, every week someone from sony would come and berate them, and after 2 years there was still nothing playable to be shown so Sony ended up leaving them 2 options, have the studio buy the rights back, or scrap the entire project.
>>332001729
I'm so happy they decided to release it before april. Something to pass my time with while i wait for Dark Souls 3.
Unless of course it's just Vaporware with 3 hours of content, but it can't be, r-right?
Slain! came out yesterday, right? Anyone know if it turned out good?
>>332020495
Idiot
>>332020495
Anon...
>>332016476
You're the retard if you think "indie" means independent.
>>332002254
>tfw HLD is a 1:1 copy of radio the universe
But that's wrong
RTU is clearly much slower and focused on obstacle courses
>>332001729
As someone who's played a lot of games for a long time I honestly think they are the only ones producing stuff worth playing. Maybe its because AAA game developers just don't see me as a target demographic anymore, but there is just so little being made at that production level that's even remotely unique or interesting. Not every indie dev is good nor is every game. And not every good indie game is long or replayable or great. But damn if most games I've really, truly appreciated and enjoyed for the last few years hasn't ended up coming from that venue.
>Trying to make game in free time, as well juggling college and work
>Going to /v/ fucks it up everytime
When will this addiction end?
>>332002628
You are unlovable.
>>332021520
indie shitters rip off games from the '90s when games were about being games
most of their work is burning garbage, but some of it isn't
meanwhile aaa wants to make movies, call of cod, and open world sand boxes
>>332021751
That was mean, anon.
>>332001729
I thinkI'm an alright guy
But most of them are pretty obnoxious and need to quit dying their hair like peacocks. Also this "Le Retro Pixels xD" shit needs to die. You cant even use the phrase Indie Dev without conjuring up images of pixel games.
>>332002628
How will I know if a major LPer has played something if I don't watch LPs?
>>332022431
I wouldn't care about the pixel graphics if they weren't utterly devoid of talent.
>>332021762
Stop talking you buzzword-infused pinhead.
>>332022758
learn how to use commas, bill o'reilly
>>332022723
I agree 100%
Memeblrtale is a good example of pure garbage pixelshit.
Contrarily, LISA actually had a decent art style
>>332024163
>>> imploding
also i'm leaving this thread and never coming back
have fun with your solo butthurt
>>332025125
>butthurt
I'm not sure how youve interpreted my posts, anon. I think you might have some form of autism.
>>332001729
They're all fucking trash, complete garbage. It's mindblowing how fucking bad most indie "devs" are
>>332025615
Nothing about his post appears relevant to anything.
He must be a dev for one of these fine titles.
the best game of the year is an indie game.
>>332026070
>4MB PNG of shitty image
go away coalgirls
>>332026070
J blow go and stay go.
>>332026029
>the new Doom is an indie game
>>332001729
Well I'm a big fan of Mine-Z, but Z miner looks like it has it beat. Also got my eye on Z day but can't imagine it's going to be better than Craft Z. I'm thinking of giving Craft Miner a go as well, it's looking like it'll be almost as good as Miner Zed.
>>332001729
My biggest issue with indie games is that they are often rewarded for being "original" when that's completely false. Most indie games cross the line of inspiration by blatantly stealing designs from old anime/video games. So many elements of Hyper Light Drifter are literally rehashed designs from evangelion or numerous other games.
As someone who works closely with a lot of devs and artists on a daily basis I can say that your common run of the mill indie dev is a chronic thief.
These pretentious fucks literally scout small, undiscovered artists online and will rip their designs as they please because they assume the original creator has no use for it while they are doing god's work or whatever the fuck.
>>332026070
STRAIGHT LINES
>>332026536
If you wanted to know the name you could have just asked. That's E.T. Armies.
I really really really hate low resolution pixel art. HLD draws that line hard, which is making it unappealing to me. Another game to skip. I get what indies are trying to be, but most of them are shit primarily cause games are that easy to make now. So I put them on a very high bar of expectations and not one has wooded me yet.
>>332027038
I didnt want to know the name. It looks like generic FPS #X,XXX,XXX
>>332027592
It's a highly-innovative indie game that has both pointing and clicking action.
Got high hopes for HLD
Will absolutely lose my rag if it turns out to be a disappointment
I fucking love IDM and the soundtrack gives me a huge erection
>>332027781
have any of you played this game before?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/313400/?snr=1_7_7_ut2_150_7
if not (or if it's shit), can you recommend any good games for the same price?
>>332001729
Pretty much the only western games I play are indie in some capacity. I want more larger non-AAA games please.
>>332025738
Idiot
>>332001729
I've never liked this style, yet all the indie pixel games are doing it.
Call me old fashioned, but I need my outlines around sprites.
>>332030473
>puts in a game with a publisher and a budget of millions
lab zero shill pls leave
>>332030825
Isn't Skullgirls self published now?
I thought it only briefly had a publisher (Konami)
>>332030976
autumn games and konami put up money to fund the development of the game
the only "indie" part of the process came after konami and autumn games got into a legal dispute over something else, and the employees left and started their own company
the "indie" part consists of the characters added to the game from their crowdfunding campaign
>>332026753
You are only showing how ignorant you are of how much you and everyones thoughts and ideas are the result of the works of others. 90% of art and design is stolen from reconnaissance masters and greek/roman philosophers but that doesn't make everything built off of it valueless.
>>332031609
>reconnaissance masters
fuck me
>>332031609
This anon knows too much. Shut it down.
>>332022431have you finished a game?
>>332031930
>Recon
>>332031930
I concede, I'm going to shamefully laugh myself to sleep now.
>>332026329
Fuck off Daiz.
>>332026070
Hi jon
