Tell me why Captain Falcon shouldn't be S tier.
>protip you can't
>inb4 "he sucks at recovery"
>>331718767
Shit recovery.
Falcon's recovery is shitty?
He's got a ridiculous jump and his up b reaches far as fuck.
>>331718767
He's less consistent than some of the other characters and he is combo food.
>>331719338
In what way is he less consistent? You mean he's harder to land combos with?
He's predictable as fuck thanks to every Falcon player trying to act like they're making a combo video.
>>331719726
lol I guess he is but he's my main, I'm open for anyone who wants to play against me(op here)
>>331719496
That's certainly an aspect, but I was referring to his tournament placements.
Counter
But he's not even in Pokken?
Falcon is literally the biggest punish character ever. You fuck up one move, and he's got a move to punish with. However, he doesn't hit as hard as he really should, and he just gets outmatched by players with range and air game.
Combo food
Garbage recovery
Poor approach options on a character than can be camped
>>331720109
The way I see how he's played is more for 1v1, he is in no way fit to fight against a group(op here)
Op here just felt like posting this
>>331718767
He's a bit too risk-reward. There are simply more reliable top tiers like ZSS or Bayo.
>>331720271
>ZSS
>>331718767
Falcon would be great if all his users didn't lag everything to hell
>>331720884
Feel like 1v1ing?(op)
>>331720327
He's still pretty good, I'd just argue that there's a good 12 or so characters better than him in Sm4sh.
That's cool but why don't we talk about how hackurai could actually buff Palutena instead of giving her pointless little tweaks every single patch?
>>331721151
lel palutena's has the most broken up a in the game, she has a counter AND a reflect, needless to say she's a support character for team battles(op)
stop going (op here)
lurk more
>>331721439
kek no u, I just want people to know my opinion
I also want people to know I suck dicks (op here)
>>331721331
Oh please, there's no need to be so contrarian to my post when you know full well she's basically in z tier. She's the worst. 1v1 counts you know, she can't JUST be a doubles partner.
>>331722332
k bruh I'll just set my name
>>331722423
Lmao, her final smash is godly though, a black hole and then EVEN if you don't get sucked in you'll still most likely get hit with her mega laser completely just wrecking shit. You can't deny that she has one of the strongest FS of the game
>>331722582
Oh I see, you're baiting. Sorry, had no idea.
>>331722717
I see you don't know how to accept fact.
Tell me why you think that I am baiting.
>>331722907
Because FS' are not competitively viable and are only used in casual play.
>>331723360
Well I see that but I like casual play, I agree Palutena is shit in competitive
end yourself
>>331723656
Well anyone's fine casual play, but when people are debating about this sort of thing they mean in a competitive sense. You see? I love Palu but ffs SHE NEEDS A BUFF! It's so annoying, every patch my hopes are utterly crushed.
>>331724051
I believe 1.1.5 was the last patch unfortunately
>>331718767
He's not that good?
>>331724051
Since the new console is being released soon, modders will definitely be able to make ssb4 modable so people can make custom characters. That's what I'm hoping for.
>>331720642
>Roy
Boku wa makenai.
>>331724940
I wish I could buy a 3ds for the new fire emblem, I have no money though
>>331724568
Eh, I only have interest in what's official.
>>331724258
I thought they said the Bayo/Corrin patch was final, and THEN did 1.1.5? Meaning we've been left open ended? No?
>>331725156
Have faith in Citra fellow poorfag from the other smash thread.
>>331718767
Can be gimped very easily sadly.
>>331718767
How to fix Falcon:
give him a throw combo. Prove me wrong
>>331725632
But he already has the wiiickedly talented knee after down throw combo. Don't tell me you've never spammed it on FG?
>>331725496
(You replied to me both times)
I don't know some people can release some really cool stuff
That's true but that could of just been Sakurai's final touches to the game
>>331725156
Personally I'm never short, I've got a really top notch cocksucking business going.
>>331725827
I know modders can do some crazy shiz but I just personally would hate to install a mod or whatever, it'd feel like I'd be tarnishing my game. I don't care that much anyway.
True but I'm just saying we don't know for sure (in terms of that patch being the last or not).
>>331725906
Lol, the VoteRidley shenanigans are happening.
>>331725768
>wiiickedly
fucking smash faggots
>>331726058
Fucking uncultured /v/ faggots who don't get cancerous references.
>>331725989
Who?
>>331725983
The only patches would be for nerfing characters, since Sakurai officially announced there would be no more characters added
"If you don't have a season pass, you're going to have a bad time"
>>331726198
Nerfing or buffing. He never said he wouldn't buff. Did he just say about adding characters? Well then why did you say this was the last patch earlier?
>>331726140
>cancerous references
whoa smash memes
Stop using my fucking name you faggots
He doesn't have some of the great tools S tiers have. He's very solid but he isn't nearly as good at getting damage easily as someone like ZSS or Sheik.
>>331726298
Stop nitpicking lel
>>331726324
it's not even a smash meme doe :^>
So anyone want to come over and take on my Falcon?
I'll give you a bj if you do, no homo (op here)
>>331726391
Nitpicking? I was just pointing something out. The latter of which actually held some significance as to whether you ever knew what you were talking about.
>>331725768
Yeah but he needs a guaranteed one imo, ryu has a shoryuken confirm and a lot of characters have dthrow/upthrow followup too
>>331726356
No fuck off
>>331726490
What ever just forget that I said anything about patches
>>331725768
It's not guaranteed.
It never lands.
>>331726618
>>331726512
oho I see. He's still good enough to do without though.
And you can land stuff well with timing, especially the knee.
Combo food, projectiles, predictable kill moves, if he's caught off stage without a double jump he's dead.
>>331726705
There might be a small window landing after throw it with the right percentages but seriously, it is quite hard. Also what is DI? Timing the knee is a Falcon main's one of the top priorities but even then the followup isn't guaranteed (see DK or ike for reference, even zelda has a throw to upair kill now) Also captain upair buff when
>>331727117
>landing after throw it
Sorry about that, was writing with a laggy phone
>>331718767
Who gives a fuck if he's not absolute top tier. As if every single person you fight against is going to require tournament level skills. Falcon is fun as fuck to play as and he as one of the series' most iconic moves.
>>331718767
shitty recovery usually stops you from being top tier unless you have amazing everything else, which Falcon doesn't.
Melee Falco had a shit recovery, but had great combo game, great pressure, great weight, great neutral game, great etc. Sm4sh Falco has trouble with projectile characters.
>>331725496
BayoCorrin was the last major patch, they never said they would stop balance tweaks or bug fixes.
>>331727410
Captain Falco
>>331727267
>>331726705
Whiffing the knee is INCREDIBLY punishable, though. If you're lucky, you get grabbed.
If you're not, you get punished and KO'd by a smash or something.
Being a Varia Suit Samus fan is suffering.
What is the point of playing now that Bayonetta shits on the whole cast?
Worse than pre-patch Diddy
>>331727843
This
>>331728334
>worse than pre-patch Diddy
Not really. Her Witch Time is pretty fucked up, but that's it.
>>331728334
Bayonetta is pretty predictable
any bullet arts moves with minimal endlag?
>>331728547
>use a multi-hit move
>Bayo can't do shit
>>331728697
Good Bayonetta players jab you first because she gets invincibility after using WT
>>331728697
>use a multi-hit move
>Bayo uses a smash and clanks it
>Bayo uses another smash and KOs you.
This is a much more realistic scenario.
>>331728547
>get grabbed at 70%
>die
versus
>get hit at 0%
>die
>try to counterattack with a jab
>she WTs it
>die
>switch to Bayonetta
>none of her combos work because of frame-1 bat within
>die slowly
>>331728993
You say this, but she doesn't even take tournaments that often. I still see Sheik win more.
>>331718767
His recovery is straight up telegraphed to the point where if he's required to use his UP-B, any character with a meaty aerial gimps him for free.
