Now that the dust has settled and the first "major" for street fighter v concluded today, can we say that Capcom made the right move by releasing it early? also that its the true successor to Street Fighter IV for EVO?
>>331505395
No. It'll do because its all we've got but I don't like it.
UPDATE WHEN
This game is dead and burried.
Nothing can change the fact the it failed to achieve what was the most important thing making people realize that Street Fighter is still a thing in the year 2016.
Tournaments are not going to make up for pathetic sales numbers.
>people complaining about balance
>the most balanced launch of fighting games history
>top 8 had EIGHT DIFFERENT CHARACTERS, not one repeat
You really can't please people. And don't even bother with /v/, they still say shoryuken inputs are artificial difficulty and a flawed concept.
Probably not worth it in the long run.
Though, it was funny to watch Americans get their hopes up, thinking no arcade release would give them equal ground against the Asians.
And in the end the one of the most competent Americans was the gay black furry Mortal Kombat player.
10 more years of American winning jack shit.
I love SFV but nah it wasn't a good decision at all. I enjoy going to my local tournaments and playing whenever I can. The casuals need more single-player modes and characters. They also trust like the first review that pops up when they search for the game.
how is the update not out yet?
I stopped playing and I'm waiting for it hit first
>>331508549
Why are you waiting for it? Big single player kinda guy or a big alex fan?
>>331508714
I'm actualy w-waiting for the challenges, I don't have friends that are constantly around me that play SF ;_;
>>331508714
not him but i played it for a bit but now im just waiting for the shit that shoulda been out on day 1, namely the shop so I can actually get the alt costumes which for the most part are all better than the shitty defaults
>not a single bison in Top 50
I dropped the game already. I'm not an expert but they clearly fucked up his design and didn't care.
>no 3f
>no reversal
>no overhead
>no command grab
>worst movement speed in game
>cant open people up
You could have showed me his design in 5 minutes, and I could have told you it would be shit.
Fuck Capcom.
It's the best Street Fighter so far so yeah
My boy infiltration pulled through
What went wrong?
Did anyone make a F.A.N.G comfy yet?
>>331509985
>1 bison in winner's 128
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
Guile when and how are they going to fuck him up worse than SFIV
>>331510328
As this thread evidenced it could be worse, you could be bison
Even all the SF4 bison players have abandoned him
>>331508080
Man all those Rainbow Mika players, and most of them pretty good too. A shame Nando didn't reach the final.
>>331510445
Mika top tier confirmed?
>>331508891
This. Also sometimes I want to play offline and Survival just doesn't cut it anymore, it feels more like homework.
>All those karinfags GTFO
Feels good man.
sf5 is the blunder of the century. its barely different than sf4 (except slower and with less execution barriers)
it has a cancerous Pay2win system too.
Is it going to survive on top for four years from now? If another good fighter comes out, I wouldn't expect it to.
>>331505395
There's probably nothing that will make releasing it early a smart move with how reportedly abysmal the sales are.
However, as far as being a spectator sport is involved, it had a pretty good showing. I don't love V, but I don't hate it. Eh Deportes are already expanding anyway, so FGC was gonna start getting this exposure with or without a new game. It's the pro tour that's doing it.
>>331510372
This is a liebseeing how Tampa Bison and Phenom are top ranked online. Remember when Bison was considered top tier in SFV.
>>331511418
But what happened in all the sudden?
because one dude was in that top 128 using him makes him shit?
besides what >>331509142 said
did I miss something
>>331511576
there were some decent bisons but they fot dominated by the karins and Mikas. Seriously, shittongs of karin and Mika players. I mean I was expecting it from Karin but I was really surprised to see that many Mika players.
Also I feel other characters got it worse like Rashid and Zangief, but I guess you gotta complain for your main, that's ho things are.
>>331511418
Online and offline are not the same thing, and the best players have figured Bison out (since he doesn't have many options).
Frame trap characters like Bison become much worse when you take them offline. Because people with 3f jabs can fuck up your "frame traps" which is less reliable online.
Bison can basically be beaten now by holding down back, assuming you don't suck. He's going to wind up in the bottom tiers.
>>331505395
Who /STUCKINSUPERBRONZE/ here?
>M. Bison is portrayed as like the strongest street fighter in the world in game campaigns
>and then M. Bison is the shittiest fighter to use
quality game design
Is there anywhere I can see the characters the top 16 played?
I missed the day entirely, and brackets only tell me player names. Since I'm just getting into fightans, I only recognize some of the names.
>all of a sudden /v/ thinks that bison is bad
never change
>>331512541
>No Bisons in top 8
>Shit game
>Capcom can't balance
every fucking time
>>331512624
>bison is shit
>why
>because he wasn't in top 8
>>331512060
Offline as well since LPN was running train with him for a while. I think he's still doing well on the West Coast.
Where in the guck was LI Joe? He's the best US SFV player atm.
>>331512541
He probably is though. There was zero Bisons in top 50 and most players agree he's been figured out.
As this anon said...
>>331509142
>no 3f
>no reversal
>no overhead
>no command grab
>worst movement speed in game
>cant open people up
>Jay Snyder @JayViscant Mar 15
>Most people underestimate their character and overestimate the other side but I just feel like all the Bison players have a point.
>2 retweets 14 likes
>>331512624
>>331512541
>>331512708
>by this logic half the characters in SFV are top tier and the other half is shit.
>>331512092
>Almost out super bronze
>Some french ken
>winning with authority
>40002
WHY DO YOU MAKE IT HARD SO FOR ME TO LOVE YOU SFV
They have a point. Bison is missing a lot of important tools.
As people were saying during Final Round all the time
>But how Bison gonna open him up?
There's really no good answer.
Where can I watch this tournament?
![tumblr_inline_nmlzy50gXd1qlrpau_540[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9itFqQo.jpg "tumblr_inline_nmlzy50gXd1qlrpau_540[1].jpg")
>NO ALEX TRAILER
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>331512964
there's this cool thing called twitch
>>331512964
On the internet
Man, people sure are sheepies. One moment they're bitching about how OP bison are while ignoring his obvious faults >>331512791
the next moment they're calling him shit tier because of one tournament
>>331512871
french kens are total scrubs
hell most kens in general
>>331513058
Yeah but what channel was it on, nowhere in the thread does it say who hosted the tournament, only that it was a major.
I'm brand new to street fighter V, trying to get into it so I want to see some good matches.
>>331513106google it
>>331505395
All those people ready to riot over Alex, even Infiltration is like what the fuck Capcom give us a trailer already.
>>331508080
>most balanced launch in history
Idk if I'd say the most balanced but it's up there
Others that cone to mind
>skullgirls
Marvel super heroes (broken but balanced)
Killer instinct 2013
>>331513106
capcom fighters
>>331505395
Yeah Final Round was hype
I'm certain Birdie, Rashid, and Zangief have less rep than Bison. Are they trash?
C H A R L I E
N A S H
>>331513085
The good players were never saying Bison was OP. All the stuff on paper suggested he sucked, and we're seeing his decline.
Cammy Soon™
>>331513293
I want tohugGustavo
>>331513307
Made it to gold with my Rashid
People doing tier lists are scrubs who are talking shit instead of playing the game.
>>331513307
I think Rashid had a lot more rep, though I could be wrong.
Yes, Zangief is pretty icky. Lower tiers along with Bipson
The sad thing is, Bison got completely overhauled by Capcom, you would think to address the fact he never won shit in SF4. But only Capcom could find a way to make him worse.
Karin is fucking retarded tier broken piece of shit back to hell char.
Fucking hate her.And i dont even own the game yet
>>331513358
I know there not, but it takes good player winning tournaments to convince the less than good players of the fact. As if they won't acknowledge Bison's faults unless he loses in tournaments.
>>331512729
he was like top 32
>>331505395
Releasing half a game is never the right move.
MAYBE if Capcom released it cheaper. But a full $60 for a demo? Fuck
>>331513358
Yes they did. "This character is nuts" is the only thing people had to say about Bison from the mad cats event all the way to just before Final Round top 16.
>>331513568
nice meme
the core game play is all there. Half of a fighting game is if they release it with the cast missing half their moves and can only use either only the punches or kicks
>>331513568
>release current game fro $40
Fucking Capcom! Selling us a demo!
>release story DLC update for $20
What the fuck, Jewcom?! TYPICAL CAPCOM!
Capcom can't win against you fucks.
>>331513672
So at shitty promotional events, to increase sales for the game, they talked about how amazing Capcom did with his redesign? Color me surprised.
Once the game released all the good players fled from him. Even many good SF4 Bisons abandoned him.
And the players I trust (Viscant, others) were talking about Bison's laundry list of missing tools weeks before release.
>>331513568
>>331513705
Your post is the two worst options you could take with a game. What are you aiming to prove?
>>331513568
Funny when you add a gif of a game that forgot to include the story.
>>331513779
Still claiming that he was never considered the best is incorrect. Sorry, senpai.
If they made Psycho Axe an overhead, Bison would be salvageable.
He'd be mid tier at best, but at least he'd see tourney play.
As it stands now, he has absolutely no options, no defense, and no way to open his opponent. Until Capcom addresses any of these options, he is bottom tier. Period.
>>331509985
Bison's biggest problem is still existing, Nigga your time was SF2 and it came and went. Stay the fuck dead once SF moves into the post SF3 era. I swear if Capcom brings him back or Ryu having to deal with the Satsu ino hado when in 3 he got past that shit for good I would check out of SF and just focus on literally anything else in the genre. Just make a fucking dream match game every couple of years and advance the fucking plot. SNK already mapped this out for you faggots.
>>331513937
He was never considered the best by the people who matter. Sorry, senpai.
>>331512791
>He probably is though
Never fucking change /v/.
The only characters that matter is Nash and Karin
Elder god tier
>>331513954
Really? Moons always makes him look pretty alright at getting in.
who /roo/ here
>>331513695
>>331513705
>Defending Capcom
>>331514112
Moons got knocked out of 128, where you been
He's only been prominent because he hasn't played really good players yet
Also he's already said he's switching to Rashid
How can you guys talk about low/mid/top tier while being shit at the game ?
You're talking about offensive and defensive option but still take wake up shoryu everytime
>>331510520
No, she just has a bunch of gimmicky shit, once people discover how to consistently stop it. She'll be in bottom tier.
All of her "neutral game tools" are shit.
>>331513695
>Core gameplay is there
>Literally forgot everything else
Still not worth $60. Unless you LIKE to bend over for Capcom
>>331514003
If you can't remember everyone at Winterbrawl calling Bison ridiculous, I'm not sure where you've been. Joe said Bison was the scariest. Eg called him the scariest.
>>331514196
>No, she just has a bunch of gimmicky shit
as long as people keep getting hit by st.mp into irish whip and are unable to guess consistently what the followup will be after the first knockdown she'll remain relevant.
>>331514270
And the consensus was that, due to his limited tools, people would eventually figure him out after release.
Which is exactly what is happening.
>>331513232
all those games have rosters like half the size of SFV
when you put that into consideration it actually probably is the most balanced.
>>331514125
>mrw Tokido just showed me I was beign a little bitch making excuses about Ryu in this game.
I just tried to force Ryu to play like it's 3rd Strike without bothering to learn V's mechanics.
Back dash > Low Forward on wake up has been working great for me and Tokido's use of it in the major was nice, you never want to practice "tech" that turns out to be worthless.
>>331514242
what else? They fix the online so battle lounge is perfectly functional and it takes under 3 minutes to find a match if you live in United States now.
>>331514274
Yes she could go far with that oki game
>The game is not BALANCED
>Hurr durr
None of the characters were as bad as Sagat
>>331514341
Anon, that still means saying no one considered him the best at one time was misguided.
>>331514438
Vanilla Sagat made the game fun desu
>>331514242
I had for more than 60$ desu
>>331513954
The frame positive, combo-starting dt fierce? Anon, no.
>>331514465
for you :^)
>>331514446
The people who matter didn't think he was the best.
The consensus was always he was good until people figured him out. His missing tools were well listed by good players long before release.
>>331514465
>Vanilla Sagat made the game fun desu
Those Sagat vs Sagat finals were so fun.
>>331514465
nah EX messiah kicks made vanilla fun.
its sad I grew to hate SF4 series over time. Last time I played ultra I just scrolled around the roster and didn't feel like picking anybody. I took Decapre in the lab and had a little bit of fun.
The game is alright.
But general consumers (not rabid fans) don't really like buying half finished products.
>>331514547
some of his weakness' are the same as nash like no 3f, no reversal, shit walk speed yet Nash won the first major.
>>331514547
>tfw people say the same thing about Gief
>tfw snake eyes still plays him out of loyalty to his main
I'll never leave you Gief old friend, no matter how shitty they make you;_;
>>331514642
Hahaha. You jest. People like buy half finished products all the time. Too bad SF5 isn't half finished, it is a quarter done.
>>331514547
Anon, every top player in America had a moment where they said Bison was top five. I understand that America is free to Asia, but saying none of them matter means you're being obtuse.
>>331513705
> Release an incomplete with no arcade mode, no challenge mode, no vs. CPU, can't switch characters online, bare-bones story mode, etc.
> "Capcom can't win against you fucks."
What? Why would they? How is this excusable? And for $60?
Remember this is the same company that basically made on-disk dlc mainstream. Pic related
>>331514719
Snake eyez said he would switch to Alex if Alex was fun.
>>331514696
Nash can really open people up though, due to his projectile. And nash has an overhead, which you ignored. And nash has an amazing super. He's fine.
No, it failed. Because the FGC makes fighting games miserable and no one plays them except for ultra autist, and when you have a surprising 1:3 ultra autist to normie ratio when matchmaking, it makes it really fucking unejoyable when you lose 70% of your games to some pad mapping faggot.
Fighting games are dead and no one takes them seriously anymore because of the community. Evo will live on, but that's all FGC will ever be.
>>331514758
Because they know gamers will buy it anyway.
>>331514752
They said Bison was top five, according to you, then they all abandoned him immediately upon release. Either they didnt say it, or they didnt believe it.
The reality is he's missing a lot of tools and people were going to figure him out. And thats what happened, as predicted.
>>331514782
Snake Eyes is just godly. He could have won evo a log time ago if he switched to top tier characters.
>>331514758
>no arcade mode
no one cares get good
>no challenge mode
no one cares get good
>no vs. CPU
no one cares get good
>can't switch characters online
theres no rematch option because capcom is retarded but this will be a legit point once there is
>bare-bones story mode
no one cares get good
>>331514859
t. Casual babby
BISONFAGS BTFO
Enjoy your "Capcom Redesigned (tm)" character :)
>>331514724
Well, only if it has enough marketing like The Division or Destiny.
Capcom doesn't have enough casual recognition to overcome SF5's release.
Unless they quickly release an "Enhanced Edition" free which gets new review scores, casuals will not buy this game
>>331514927
When was the last time a non asian won SF evo?
>>331514859
>he has a 30% winrate
>>331514959
If you would remove you Spergles for a second, you could see the truth.
>>331515034
latif
wolfkrone
>>331515034
luffy is french desu senpai
>>331515109
French is a nationality senpai
Luffy is ethnically Asian.
>>331514906
Anon, they did say it. That is why it was parroted everywhere. I'm not arguing if Bison is or ain't good, but the moment you said no one of note ever thought he was excellent was the moment you were incorrect.
>>331514956
>It's missing basic features
>no one cares get good
great argument there capcomfag
>tfw i just got Street Fighter V for 6 dollars
>>331515283
I'd consider that a fair price.
>>331510768
>slower and with less execution barrier
>he thinks being able to link lights into full combos is a good thing
>>331515208
a mode no one who plays the game for more than 10 hours cares about is not a basic feature. training mode is a basic feature, vs mode is a basic feature, online play is a basic feature. saying its half complete because you can't play arcade mode on easy and spam supers against a retarded bot is as dumb as saying an FPS is incomplete because it doesn't have a theater mode so you can watch the cutscenes whenever you want
>>331515186
Your Grandma could have said that about Bison. Taking things so literally makes you look stupid.
>>331515283
Oh hey its you from two days ago
I still dont have a gift card balance to use
>>331515553
My grandmother isn't a top US player. And how am I taking it to literally? You claimed no that mattered said Bison was good. Every player that mattered opened their top five with, " let's see. Bison, Chun..." Your claim was just plain wrong.
Pricing error early Saturday morning. I'm hyped!
Should I? The design just looks so sexy
>>331515283
add 50 dollar per year for PS+
inb4 the poorfag argument. Why pay 50 when online is free on PC and there's crossplay?
>>331515142
How is that relevant to the context?
You're not magically good at street fighter because you're ethnically asian. Asians are good because they still have an arcade culture that has been polished through many, many years. Add to that a dense population with a very good internet infrastructure nowadays and there's bound to pop up some good players.
>>331516210
>The design just looks so sexy
Maybe if you are an edgy teenager.
>>331516289
Korea the last I checked didn't have an arcade culture for SFV and guess who won last night's major.
>>331516546
Korea has PCBangs, and video games are extremely popular there.
I wouldn't be surprised if they had arcades either.
>>331516638
Koreans don't play games that require money to play.
>>331516792
Are you
Are you actually saying that?
>>331516846
F2P is a big thing in Korea
>>331507874
Now that the tournament faggotry is over for the month, soon.
>>331516947
You realize the game that is, or at least was, the most popular game in Korea is Starcraft, right?
A game that's buy to play, just like SFV?
>>331516947
>f2p doesn't require money
You guys can be really fucking stupid at times.
>>331517064
SCBW was pirated to hell and back. Only people who played BW a lot bought SC2.
>>331517185
And as for that, please refer to >>331516638 where I mentioned PCBangs.
They just pay an hourly fee and play whatever the fuck they want. Popular games are already installed.
>>331517293
LoL
Sudden Attack
Fifa online 3
Lineage 1
SC1
Diablo 3
Aion
DNF
Blade and Soul
WarCraft 3
Cyphers
Lineage 2
WoW
Maple Story
Kart Riders
Black Desert
The Ultimate Legion
Special Force (Soldier Front in US)
StarCraft 2
Icarus Online
Top 10 games from May 2015 from PCbangs. Any of these games look like "arcade culture" to you?
>>331516446
I know skulls are pretty spooky, but I'm just edgy enough to handle them.
>>331516947
Korean F2P are not-even-buzzwording p2w
>>331510768
> its barely different than sf4 (except slower and with less execution barriers)
That's why they should have revived one of their other fighting franchises instead of making SF5. At least it would have been something different.
>>331515107
Neither of them won.
>>331517575
Can't say they do, but that doesn't change the population density and their internet speeds which makes it very easy to get matches.
As long as you have the competition you'll be able to polish yourself.
Where the fuck would Luffy get that without traveling? Him being "asian" is irrelevant unless he actually lived there or at least played against them.
>>331513232
Skullgirls did so many things right, it's not even funny for something that's almost indie-tier.
>>331517735
Exactly. You are finally seeing the point I have been trying to make for so long. Keep pulling that thread and maybe you will get there.
>>331513232
Skullgirls was dogshit at launch. What are you talking about?
>>331514956
I love SF5 but holy shit you're being a moron if you think all those features aren't important.
>>331517859
What point? That korea doesn't have an arcade culture, but something more modern?
>>331514372
Backdash on wakeup is technically a stupid idea. You'd only do it if your opponent never tries to meaty.
>>331517960
Asian are naturally better at fighting games.
>>331514956
we've come to a point where people will defend their game franchise even if it means having less content.
>>331517575
Man what happened to you Korea? You used to be cool. Now you're just a second rate Japan
>>331518257
Technically, you're right.
But that has nothing to do with ethnicity.
>>331518257
do kebabs count?
>>331517045
NCR is in 5 days...
>>331514242
I've played SFV more than any single player game. It gets good mileage.
>>331518349
>But that has nothing to do with ethnicity.
Being hard working is an ethnicity trait
>>331514956
you can vs cpu in training mode
i do it all the time
you just set the bars to nornal and then play against cpu set it to level 8 or something
its cheap as fuck cause it reads your shit but doable and when either of you run out of life it ends and you restart with full hp
done dealio
>>331519385
I did that to learn some combos. Watching the level 8 CPU play is actually kinda good.
>>331517575
>all those fucking shit games
God damn.
>tfw I'm fucking garbage in this game and can't combo for shit
Guess I'm gonna be Bronze forever.
>>331520117
>tfw can do all sorts of crazy combos but everyone else can do the same so it doesn't matter shit
>>331513106
you won't find it on twitch, /capcomfighters is the channel but their archive is subscribers only for some dumb reason
they upload every fight on their youtube channel though, same name
The Final Round brackets were so shit. They literally put all the god like players into two pools and had them fight through hell just to get to the top.
Meanwhile literal nobodies got free brackets. Half the top 128 were literal whos and none of them were good. They got bodied so hard the second they came across any of the American and Japanese players that were stuck fighting in hell.
Tokido had the most disgusted look on his face after destroying Sonicfox and making him look more free than a 500lp Bronze player.
I seriously hope the upcoming tournaments don't stack brackets this way just to force new faces into the top 32.
Best fight of the tournament yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Zq82su694
>>331520891
Bracket makers rig the pools for money all the time. This isn't new.
>>331520891
Tokido had a disgusted look all the time, man. The guy's a bit scary with that permanent frown.
Talking about him, he was probably fucked over by having to fight 3 people on a row. By the last match he seemed tired and was only doing the same predictable moves.
>>331520891
Yeah you're right. Half the top 8 was stupid but thankfully the game is very good and facilitated them getting completely bodied.
The top 4 was solid as fuck, Infil, Tokido, Mago, Haitani. Can't really complain about that when they were clearly the best players there.
>>331521540
Tokido's murder face is well known, but he's also shown a lot of happiness these past few years. The sonicfox game though, it wasn't the murder face. That was some genuine disbelief and disgust. He just stared at him every round he won confused and mad.
Compare that to the slightly disappointed face after losing to Infiltration, but he still smiled and laughed when Infiltration came up to shake his hand and shit.
Plus he's been a weird bundle of joy in streams and exhibitions as opposed to how he was in 2009/2010.
>>331521643
True. It's just strange to see how crazy the pools were for some players. Even Mago's early matches in pools and top 128 were nuts. It was like watching a top 32 winners bracket at Evo or top 16 winners at Capcom Cup.
>SonicFox getting bodied hard
FUCK MORTAL KUCKBAT
>>331522065
>top 8
>bodied
>>331522258
Yes, considering how retardedly easy his bracket was. He literally fought a 12 year old at one stage and he got put into losers by Brent.
>>331522306
It's still a fucking 1000+ man tournament. He had to run into at least a few decent people.
>>331522398
He did not. The only decent player he fought was Nuckledu and once he got up to Tokido he got completely and utterly bodied because he could no longer rely on character unfamiliarity and had to play a two-sided neutral when his neutral game is actually horrible.
I think he could definitely become a great player but it'll take a couple of years at least, his neutral is just horrible and anybody who doesn't let him skip neutral destroys him.
>>331522513
>The only decent player he fought
and yet here you are stuck in bronze
>>331522552
Post your CFN. Surely you're not some bronze piece of shit yourself if you're calling other people out for what you think their rank is.
>>331507896
>help help someone didn't release this game for xbox bill gates save me!
fucking hilarious xcucks
>>331513954
Axe is not an overhead? What the fuck?
Il play the game seriously once capcom patches the fucking net code.
Right now any kind of desnh causes major teleports.
This makes plying the game vs people who might get micro stutter impossible.
Because if the game drops 2 frames your opponent now has 2 frame rollback and if another 2 frames get drooped later he now has 4 framer rollback.
Wifi Warriors on PS4 and Laptop babies kinda ruin this game for everyone unintentionally because of the netcode.
how do we fix Bison?
>makes his jabs 3F
>psycho axe an overhead
>ex Inferno invincible on start up
>>331522974
>buffs for Bison
You can't be fucking serious. The guy is already braindead as is.
Why does the street fighter formula still exist?
Fighting games to me look like:
Smash Bros: You have to be autisic to enjoy
Street fighter: You have to be autistic to play
Why is this ancient 90s ass genre even still being spoken about without constant smirks?
All of the community infighting makes lone faggots on late night CS servers seem like decent people
>>331522974
Extremely stupid. That would make him by far the best character in the game.
>>331523050
Because plying a game that is 1 v 1 and therefore gives you no one to blame but yourself when you suck and ware most of the actions you make can have serous consequences is considered fun by some people.
>>331523050
>smash bros
>a fighting game
>>331523209
So the only way it survives on any kind of air is the hot air fanboys spew?
What new people honestly can ever "Get In" to street fighter from playing it out in the wild?
How can a game or series grow without building ontop of what they have?
>>331523351
One of my points exactly
>>331523050
It's fun
Gittin gud takes effort but is satisfying
Matches are quick and exciting to watch unlike mobas which take 40 mins to get going
Unlimited depth
No one plays a character exactly the same way
Locals are always accepting and everyone is swapping tech and helping each other. Out of all vidya communities the FGC is the least judgemental.
Characters are appealing and designed well.
>>331505395
No I want a refund on this early access garbage.
>>331523050
Why wouldn't it? If it's not broken, don't fix it.
We still have FPS games not that different from the old Quake games. They have iron sights and more realistic physics, and that's it.
Platformers are still around mostly unchanged as well.
>>331514342
>all those games have rosters like half the size of SFV
>when you put that into consideration it actually probably is the most balanced.
Doesn't KI have almost 20 characters at this point?
Didn't a majority of KI's cast make the Top 16 at KI Cup?
>>331522896
I play at weird hours so there were times I was paired with someone from Saudi Arabia when I live on the west coast of the US.
>>331522974
sure, I'd love to never lose a match ever again
Capcom released it early to appeal to hardcore fans. It benefited the entire community.
If you disagree, you're actually retarded, and your opinions seriously doesnt matter, since it was never meant to appeal to you in the first place
Pic related
Bitching about things that arent made for you is fucking stupid.
>>331524019
As a "hardcore" fan, I disagree. Success with the casual crowd is fucking important to the continued existence of the series.
>>331523467
>Out of all vidya communities the FGC is the least judgemental.
LOL
Aren't there people RIGHT NOW continuously shitting on SonicFox even though he's placing decently in the "main" game?
>>331508281
By 'casual' I get you mean 'decent people with healthy lifestyles'.
>>331524313
Furries deserve no respect regardless of the community.
>Game has been "simplified for a wider audience" aka casuals who just want to mash buttons
>Slow as shit movement and walk speed
>Huge floaty jumps with next to no horizontal range
>Tiny ranged normal's
>Tiny hitboxes on everything
>Normal's have a shitty priority system
>Links are gone and combos are now mashable
>Huge buffer window
>No close standing attacks
>No neutral jump attacks
>Game is full of comeback mechanics desinged to "lower the effectivness of player skill"
>Only super can chip kill
>V-Trigger a huge universal buff you get as a rewarded for losing
>V-Reverasl a get out of jail free you are rewarded with for losing
>Receve less damage the less health you have
>Worst roster in a street fighter game to date fan favorites replaced with characters no one wanted like birdie and rmika
>Risk/Reward is skewed due to high damage from jump ins yet pitifully low damage on anti airs and how you can no longer get large damage punishes from a jab
>Huge amounts input lag
>Constant fps loss on ps4 and high end PC's
>Random input drops
>Dumbed down mechanics
>Top players already saying the game is casual garbage
>P2W
>Game literally released in an unfinished state
>Online doesn't work correctly
>No punishment for rage quitters
>Only 2 player lobbies that dont even work most of the time
>error 40002
>>331524019
>Creates game catered to hardcore crowd
>Doesn't even give in game tools to hardcore crowd to learn in depth
>Even locks frame data and hitboxes behind mobile app while MK X had them included as part of training mode
Yeah, nah. Even hardcore players shit on SF V at launch and said it wasn't worth $60, m8.
>>331510768
>pay2win
what
>>331509985
Everyone who mattered went for a better top tier character or a Mika counterpick.
A bunch of retards who wanted easy wins chose Bison and got destroyed since this game's balance is not bad enough for them to warrant a win for simply choosing a retarded powerhouse character with + on block after every move.
>>331512092
I kept getting fangs so i got dropped back to bronze. I cant figure out how to fight him
>>331524373
He probably meant casuals
>>331505395
Gameplay and mechanics of the game are absolutley shit, the game literally just boils down to throw/CH 50/50s
>>331524595
>p2w
This word has officially lost all meaning.
>>331524808
If anything i was disgusted by how often people were waking up with jab and getting away with it, like oki is meaningless most of the time unless you got a crush counter and an air tight set up.
>>331524951
how else do I wake up as Bison? I have no invincible reversals. It's a guessing game if they're gonna neutral jump aerial, go for another throw, or meaty
>>331505395
>buy sf5
>start playing
>the tutorial starts
>Ryu and Ken have cool looking hair
>play the actual game
>Ryu has spikes, Ken has bannanas
Explain this bullshit.
>>331508080
>>the most balanced launch of fighting games history
what is every virtua fighter ever released
>>331525049
Don't get knocked down.
>>331525049
Block dumbass.
>>331525196
>>331525206
uh huh, lemme just go ahead and not get hit at all too. That'll solve all the problem wouldn't it?
>>331525059
Alpha/Zero costumes.
You would know that if you weren't a casual scrub.
>>331525263
Yeah it would.
Believe it or not you need to learn how to fucking block if you ever want to get even remotely decent at a game like SFV.
>>331508080
>they still say shoryuken inputs are artificial difficulty and a flawed concept.
The best way to find out if someone is a retarded casual
They ALWAYS say
>Inputs are too hard/artifical difficulty
>"You can just spam Hadoken to win!"
>Insisting the game should have a dedicated block button; refuses to understand the inherent difference between holding back and having a dedicated button
>Insists that hitboxes and hurtboces should match the character models by the polygon
That last one especially brings my piss to a boil, just because of how obviously retarded it is.
>>331525332
but what about contingency in the instance you got hit. Surely you don't just give up and let the opponent continue their oki
>>331515283
It was that price for just a few minutes before it was fixed
>>331525374
You forgot
>character has slight weakness in area X (which they can deal with/overcome) therefore they are trash
Not touching it until they fix the retarded-ass PC controller support. I shouldn't have to pray to the goddamn Omnissiah whenever I want to hook my fight stick in the hopes that it'll work.
>>331525423
You fucking block, you don't have any real option, jab is a high risk option against any even remotely decent player that has minimal pay-off.
This is why there are so many shitters who play this game. They just want to constantly press shit as if blocking is some horrible option when it is your safest defensive option.
>>331525059
Everyone knows Ken's model looks like shit, and the hair is laughably bad across the board with clipping issues worse than PS2 era graphics.
>>331525531
>block
>get thrown on wake up
>anticipate another throw
>they shimmy and punish my baited tech attempt for 40% more life
My reaction time is shit; I can't react to 5frame throws
>>331525049
>It's a guessing game
you answered it right here, kind of.
you can try to make inferences based on what they did last time they had you knocked down, but if you're playing ranked / casuals and you have one set that might not be as effective.
the safest wakeup is whatever counters the thing your opponent tends to do to you when you wake up
if they're meatying, btw, quick rise that shit and punch their dick in
>>331516270
If you care about the fact that there is PC/PS4 crossplay lag then you're going to filter to your platform and the PC userbase is abysmal in size.
Worst part is that it isn't something Capcom can fix. They found out it's related to Steam.
>>331525646
>My reaction time is shit; I can't react to 5frame throws
Well observed, you don't really react to throws in this game. You anticipate.
>>331525059
>Alex has spiked bananas
Clearly he's the superior protagonist.
>Dogura didn't get top 64
>Goi Boi Toi was the only Bison near the bottom of the top 64
>People will still whine about Bison and claim hes OP on shit sites like /v/ and eventscrubs where hes no.1 on the voted tier list.
I bet he gets nerfed to because Capcom has a habit of pandering to those retards just like how Blanka got nerfed from SSF4 despite being mid tier at best because he annoys scrubs.
>>331525709
then that means if they're standing next to me as I'm waking up. It really is a 50/50 if they're gonna grab me or gonna shimmy. They lose nothing for my anticipating correctly, and I get knockdowned again for another 50/50 guess
>>331525621
>PS2 era graphics.
wrong thread guy >>331516356
>>331525646
You don't react to something that is 5-frames.
Why are you complaining to there being a counter to your options? There are counters to every option and the guy can't react to your tech or lack of. Just stop playing the game if you don't want to learn how to block, you will never beat even intermediate players.
Also don't use words like oki when you're talking about bronze-tier problems.
>Pokken will be more successful than SFV
man
getting cucked by pokemon
harsh
>>331525786
Gee, it's almost as if being knockdown was supposed to be disadvantageous.
>>331525808
Same thing.
>>331525786
>They lose nothing for my anticipating correctly
No shit, they knocked you down and got a meaty opportunity, that is your punishment for losing neutral.
>and I get knockdowned again for another 50/50 guess
Most characters cannot knock you down into another 50/50, hell, the vast majority of throws in the game don't leave you with any ability to mix your opponent up on their wake-up or even meaty them.
>>331525786
>50/50
yeah, that's a thing in fighting games. You need to learn to guess right by reading your opponent
>>331505395
Pokken has already stomped this game into the ground. SF is fucking dead now. I loved 4 with a passion, but since you faggots rely too much on Crapcom you're stuck with this garbage for another couple years.
Like it or not, that's what Smash Bros has over the FGC. Grassroots makes it harder to get a foundation, but once you do the rewards show.
>>331525464
>this character that is obviously good and strong already doesnt have an easy press input to win move
ITS TRASH, I NEED BUFFS, GET OFF YOUR ASS CRAPCOM
>>331525646
Welcome to guessing games. SFV being completely honest is a meme. The whole corner game of SFV is basically a giant strike throw guessing game as is a shit ton of specific mid screen spaced situations.
It doesn't make it bad but people who claimed SFV is honest are memer faggots. Yes there is less down time and somewhat more neutral then SF4 but there is still a shit ton of guessing once someone is in against most of the cast especially characters like R.Mika and Nash.
Characters like Ken too especially in the corner where he can actually get off his safe strings and he makes his 11 fucking frame dash harder to deal with.
>>331525786
>and I get knockdowned again for another 50/50 guess
You uh
you do know you can tech the landing after a throw, yes?
>then that means if they're standing next to me as I'm waking up. It really is a 50/50 if they're gonna grab me or gonna shimmy.
Correct. Being knocked down is supposed to leave you at a disadvantage.
>>331524313
People shitting on him on 4chan where no one goes outside is different than shitting on him to his face at a tournament. He's been allowed to dominate every fighting game around for years while wearing a furry hat and tail.
>>331525786
Play Melee bro. More options, less guessing and more reward for skill and punish game.
>>331525973
What if your definition of an honest game? some examples as well
>>331525939
>>331525939
how so? sf v gets more viewers on twitch than pokken
>>331525973
SF at it's core and all 2d fighting games have been glorified rock paper scissors, it's not new to any game.
>>331525374
>Anyone complaining who uses the word spam
Everything else they say after that is disregarded in my book
>muh twitch viewers
>muh tournament entrants
>meanwhile, sales
