Name an RPG with better quests
>>331424630
>Murder House quest
I literally can't
>>331424630
easy i can name 2
TES3 & planescape
Runescape
>>331424630
New Vegas
>>331425038
>Planescape
This is how to spot some underage poser who has never even played the game.
Everyone admits the actual gameplay + combat is fucking garbage, you're really there for the story, design and dialouge
>>331424630
VtMB
Deus Ex
Fallout New Vegas
>>331425038
>Planescape
>MORROWIND
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Stick to your visual novels and outdated trash senpai, i'm too busy dealing with the objectively best Guild quests ever conceived
>>331425131
>vtMB
Please name a non main story quest that wasn't shite or a fetch quest.
Dont get me wrong, I love that game, but I hope you're mistaking the haunted house for a sidequest.
>>331425075
This times 1000. Runescape blows the fuck out of any RPG and their shitty fetch quests and boar killing
>>331425121
Literally worse quests than FO3
>>331424630
Morrowind
>>331425131
>VtMB
Great quests (ignore the faggot who downplays them as fetch quests) but still not as good as the Dark Brotherhood/Thieves guilds from Oblivion, never mind the countless random side quests involving the schizo wood elf, the two bandit girls who try to seduce you in an empty cavern, the boat inn that gets robbed etc
>Deus Ex
See above, I prefer VtMBs quests.
>Fallout New Vegas
Lolno, the writing was great but actual quests themselves were mediocre and barely better (if even better) than Fallout 3s.
Say what you want about Oblivion but its quests were on another level aswell as that soundtrack
>>331425270
>All that illusion of choice.
The charts are the same, New Vegas just doesn't tote around claiming how advanced their "choice" system is.
Baldur's Gate II.
Divinity OS.
Mainly because you can solve a lot of them in a variety of ways.
>>331425354
Play the fighters/mage guild and then say that again.
>go kill this guy
>ok now kill this guy
>ok now get me that herb
>ok now this herb
>every character is a glorified leaflet
>dialogue options are practically non existent (yes or no)
Morrowinds quests were fucking awful, i'll never get the hype between that meme game. Combat is attrocious to boot.
>>331425075
Looking back at it, it's bizarre to think that Runescape has better quests than any singleplayer RPG I have ever played.
>>331425227
OP said quests, not side quests.
But still:
Carnival of Death
A Tangled Web
Hot Stripper Assassin Action
Gone Fishin'
B-Rated Writer
>>331424720
>the dreamworld where you got nothing but a torch and some clothes to cover you with
>the living painting where a thief painted some trolls that killed him
>stuck on an island and the only way to leave is to beat the killing game
>spend the night on a floating inn, only to wake up with the boat in the middle of the ocean
Skyrim quests wasn't anything like this. What the fuck happened?
>>331425270
Both are full of kill/fetch quests, it's just that Bethesda used to make theirs more fun by acting like they were more. NV and modern Bethesda games just tell you from the word go that you're gonna fetch/kill something and then come back for your reward. It's all about presentation.
>>331425539
That's because you're underage and it's obvious you played the game 2 hours.
>>331424630
Fallout. The first one.
>>331424630
Bloody Baron & Hearts of Stone
Game of Thrones
Vanilla WoW
Vagrant Story
>>331425539
Morrowind's appeal is in its world-building and lore, the quests are generally awful though.
>More like a better OST
>>331424630
skyrim
>>331425270
Nice bait image
You literally can't OP
>that entire Dark Brotherhood questline (that moment you realize that you were used as a pawn to kill your very allies)
>that entire Thieves guild questline (that initiation mission alone was fun as fuck)
>those random side quests in villages
>that haunted house in Anvil
>that boat-inn that gets captured with you on board
>that arena quest line
THIS fucking quest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JD_xuwpEno
Literally NO RPG comes CLOSE to the variety/fun factor involved with Oblivions quests. Not even fucking close. Too all the people posting Planescape and Morrowind, way to confirm how much of a try hard faggot who hasn't even played those games that you are. Stop trying to fit in, Morrowinds quests were fucking horrible outside of a select few.
>>331425693
see
>>331425727
I like Morrowind, but the quests aren't anything to write home about.
Stop being the definition of a fanboy.
Happy 10th birthday to my favorite game of all time
R-rip Lucien ;_;
>>331425693
>>331425440
All those games have better written quests than Oblivion, this is simply a fact
>>331425708
>Vanilla WoW
>Witcher 3: Follow the Red Shit and Press A
>Better than >>331425819 & >>331425631
o i'm laffin
>>331425893
Now he's helping some fuck in Skyrim; why couldn't I save him?
>>331425934
The dialogue themselves? Yes (except for Deus Ex. The writing is a fucking parody). As for the quests themselves? Nope,
see:
>>331425819
>>331425631
This is simply a fact.
>>331424630
It seems like you've already made your mind up.
>>331425270
>cherrypicking
>>331425819
/thread
I would say Daggerfall is my favorite TES game (probably nostalgia though, haven't played it in a while) but Oblivion objectively had the best quests in any fucking RPG. The variety/intrigue was insane. That dream quest (where you go into some dudes dream) or the "Whole stole the painting in the castle" quest alone were GOAT
>Download Oblivion with a mod pack
>It's awesome, makes combat a lot more fun, actually need to watch fatigue, inn-boat quest now even better.
>Suddenly game crashes every load
>Uninstall
>Want to reinstall, but can't remember the mod pack
FUCK
>>331426080
Do you mean to say that OP made this thread just so he could shove his narrow-minded opinion down our throats and provoke an autistic argument, and NOT because he wanted to have a serious conversation about quests in RPGs?!?!
Why is there not a oblivion 10th birthday thread up with the character roll post?
>>331426226
There's nothing to discuss.
See
>>331425819
>>331425631
Oblivion undeniably has the best quests of any RPG.
>inb4 he lists some 90s CRPG trash in a desperate attempts to fit in
>>331426064
Oblivion's quests are massively overrated and mostly a product of nostalgia. Have you tried playing the game recently? They really aren't that great.
>>331424630
Baldur's Gate 2
Divinity 2: Ego Draconis
Planet Escape: Tournament
Mass Effect 2
Fallout 1
>>331426358
Well I'm glad we've cleared that up! Did you hear, that guys? The conversation is over, Oblivion has the best quests of any RPG ever! You can all go home now!
>>331426226
that's right, you overwrought faggot
I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than you.
>>331426383
>nostalgia
Stopped reading.
Get me an RPG with quests as varied as:
>>331425819
>>331425631
And stop trying so hard senpai.
>>331425130
quests are both story and dialogue
>>331425998
hearts of stone was pretty fucking great tho anon
>>331426383
I've been replaying it over the past week and the quests are just as good as I remember, actually.
>>331426443
Give me some examples from Mass Effect 2 or Planescape, go on. Humor me :^)
>r-remember that one quest in Planescape where you engaged in some of the worst combat ever designed and then read 5 essays worth of dialogue?
>o-or that one quest where you engaged in some of the worst combat ever designed and then read 5 essays worth of dialogue?
Why do people try so hard to fit in by posting games with objectively shit tier quests despite being pretty remarkable in other areas? Anybody posting Planescape/Morrowind instantly raises my eye brows as underage newfags who have never played those games in the first place
>>331426530
>THAT WEDDING, HAHA GUYS, OLGRIEDS BROTHER IS SO RANDUM
The writing as always is good (way better than the base games quest line) but the quests themselves are boring. Just look at how they handled the haunted mansion quest with the girl who is stuck in a dreamworld/painting. Matching up the environment to match the painting got old fast as FUCK.
The quests in Witcher 3 will always be bogged down by CDPRs own incompetence when it comes to fun, they have talented as fuck writers but there games are flat out chores to play.
Even the mods are fucking GOAT too, I mean seriously play this shit if you haven't already:
http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/17781/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/13814/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/21693/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/12997/?
>>331424630
Witcher 3 literally does everything better than this Bethesda trash. Quest in Witcher 3 are 100x better than Oblivion. Nice bait thread faggot.
>>331426480
Agreed, Gone Homes main questline is objectively the best quest i've ever played
>>331426793
>people will respond to this falseflag
Anybody who likes the Witcher 3 like myself, please ignore this bait and any replies that might follow. This is serving nothing but to derail an otherwise decent thread.
>>331426475
>Stopped reading.
The game is 10 years old and the first Elder Scrolls of a lot of people here.
>Get me an RPG with quests as varied as:
see >>331425131
>>331426576
Play better games then.
>>331425130
>gameplay + combat is fucking garbage
Yeah, because that's totally not the case for Oblivion, and TES games in general, too
>>331426786
The only way to play Oblivion is with mods, it's a pretty shitty game otherwise.
>>331426924
Get me some examples from Deus Ex and VtMB that matchup with
>>331425819
>>331425631
I've played Deus Ex and VtMB (VtMB is probably my favorite RPG ever made) but you're flat out lying.
>>331426724
I agree with you, I think at least the dialogue and choices were pretty great though, and at least in hearts of stone it had some of the best boss fights in the game
>>331426978
Nowhere near as bad as the best of what that dated CRPG genre has to offer
>>331424630
Skyrim.
>Oblivionfags BTFO
>>331426887
What the actual fuck? How is my post a bait? Have you even played Witcher 3? The amount of varied greatly written side quest dumpster anything a Bethesda game has to offer.
Bloody Baron Quest line, A Towerful of Mice, In Wolf's Clothing, The Last Wish, The Play's The Thing, Possession are some of the best Quests Witcher 3 has to offer. Name a single quest in Oblivion better than any of the quests that I mentioned.
Bethesdrones are trully delusional.
Yeah, I especially like how many different outcomes TES quests generally have.
>literally threw Oblivion into the trash like the pile of shit it is shortly after release
>mfw these threads
>>331424630
Planescape Torment
BG2
Fallout 2
VTM:B
Gothic 1 and 2
Deus Ex
>>331427046
So you can say 'nuh uh'?
This is pointless. People are only enumerating quests, no one actually tried to argument what makes Oblivion's quests so great.
>>331427271
>>331424630
Reminder this man wrote Oblivion DB
He also wrote Fallout 3,Skyrim TG,Thief 2 and Fallout 4
Anybody arguing this is objectively wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JD_xuwpEno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0g0wWuI9k0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OS76vUhdak&list=PL70F3814168F3B0AB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dxp7pme1nM&list=PL0D57A20D079B767A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMy8iMXqVKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggWP9PDEJuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYqHuoLH1j8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jae8nZQB9xI&list=PLC4A11E6E91EE3EAB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW150XH1YCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0SQqI-YpN4
Throw in the GOAT OST (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpJEg6MTPzc)
You can name any game you want but the fact remains, I guarantee when asked to provide examples you will fail to provide anything from your inferior games that come close to Oblivion.
Shit on Bethesda until you go blue in the face, nobody can argue this.
>>331427271
People who were 8 years old when Oblivion came out are now old enough to post on /v/.
>>331427358
>d-do I fit in yet?
>the list
Come back when you've played Gothic/Planescape and then say with a straight face that the quests in those games are good, let alone better than Oblivion
>>331427562
so he only got worse and worse then?
>>331427228
see
>>331427605
>>331425819
>>331425631
Go back to your "Click on the glowing red shit to complete game!" trash and stay out of these threads.
>>331427707
I've played every game I've listed there and the quests in Gothic are much better than Oblivion's right out of the gate. Unlike Oblivion, you actually get creative ways to solve quests that aren't just spoonfed to you through quest markers. Oblivion is designed so that you can complete the entire game at level 1.
>mfw Oblivion babies
The game is only remotely decent with mods
>>331427890
>and the quests in Gothic are much better than Oblivion's right out of the gate
Give me 5 examples of great quests from Gothic 1 & 2 as well as Planescape.
This outta be good.
>>331427965
>>331427965
TES in a nutshell.
>>331427880
>that picture
That's literally what killed Witcher 3 for me. I wanted to like the game but it was so fucking boring to play
>>331427890
>>331428061
h-hey bros mentioning Gothic
I'm terrible at it. Like I die and can't even do anything. I've read every FAQ on gamefaqs and email the devs. But Im still stuck at level 1 in a forest somewhere?
>>331428102
Daggerfall and Morrowind don't need mods to be good. Oblivion brought the 'modders will fix it' mentality and look at Bethesda now.
>>331427562
How is it that Whodunit was so good, but all the characters involved with the DB were Shadow the Hedgehog tier edgelords
>>331428226
They do need mods to not be broken.
>>331428226
Without playing through a rose colored lens of nostalgia, Morrowind needs mods to fix the combat to even be playable now.
This is coming from someone who started on Morrowind
>>331428226
>Morrowind doesn't need mods to be good
>worse quests than Skyrim
>worse combat than Witcher 1
>worse dialogue options than Fallout 4
>worst guilds in the series
>every NPC is a leaflet
>brown and bland environments
What does Morrowind even get right? "DUDE, I CAN GET, LIKE, 1000000 SKOOMA BOTTLES AND GO, LIKE, SANIC FAST, HOLY SHIT BRO XDDDD!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNXYrAkUntU
Morrowind will always be complete shit tier in every facet of gameplay, it does nothing right. Skyrim at least gets the combat down better than any other game in the series whereas Oblivion has the best soundtrack/OST. Everything that Morrowind does, Daggerfall did better.
>>331428162
Are you playing G1 or G2? For G1 I would try to go around doing quests for people before joining a camp (old camp best camp). If you mean G2, there are several ways to get into Khorinis. You can go through by paying, disguise yourself with farmer's clothes, gather ten herbs and say you're a gatherer, or you can just jump over the walls.
>>331428226
All tes games need community patches and fixes. But yeah, it's only with Oblivion that the gameplay itself needed fixing.
>>331428226
I don't feel like they intended that modders fix their game with Oblivion, but when they made it as easy as they did and it exploded like it did, they certainly expected the modders to cover their asses or generate content for them. Oblivion was definitely the start of them being scummy fucks, in any event, and Horse Armor was the beginning of the DLC train.
>>331425130
>Everyone admits the actual gameplay + combat is fucking garbage,
that's true of oblivion too though
>>331428458
holy FUCK this.
Pic related, I recently fell for the Morrowind meme and holy fuck is it awful. It's not just the combat, it's literally everything. It's just boring as fuck to play, the NPCs have no personality, the world while interesting at first glance grows terribly boring fast due to how bland the color scheme is, quests are a complete joke so far (10+ hours into the game).
The game is all manners of bad, I literally can't name a single thing it gets right. Maybe lore/immersion for its time? It sure as shit doesn't hold up well today.
>>331428452
>Morrowind needs mods to fix the combat to even be playable now
>This is coming from someone who started on Morrowind
You aren't fooling anyone. I played morrowind for the first time in 2013 and it literally takes a mentally challenged person to think the game is unplayable. Morrowind even has the most reactive combat out of the last three ES'.
>>331426180
>strawman
>>331428514
>But yeah, it's only with Oblivion that the gameplay itself needed fixing.
See:
>>331428458
>>331428452
>>331425130
Planescape's gameplay is fine. It's the shitty combat interface people complain about.
>>331425038
>Morrowind
Anon, Morrowind was full of your typical fetch quests. There was nothing particularly exceptional about it.
>>331428706
> Morrowind even has the most reactive combat out of the last three ES'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNXYrAkUntU
>>331425631
>stuck on an island and the only way to leave is to beat the killing game
which quest was that?
>>331428759
Is english your second language.
>>331428706
It's pathetic really that when they transitioned from the mouse1 spam of morrowind they managed to dumb the game down even more. Morrowind is the only TES game I've ever had to think my way through an encounter.
>>331428706
Okay then, pretend all you want. Morrowind's combat was awesome at the time of its release but its incredibly underwhelming now. The spell system, enchanting, and weapon variety are still vastly superior to other TES games but the combat itself is on par with Daggerfall from 96
>>331424630
Divinity games
>>331428864
something about a girls husband goes missing, I remember you get the quest from Bravil.
Ok
Skyrim = Best combat/visuals
Oblivion = Best Quests/OST
Daggerfall = Best overall mechanics/freedom
Morrowind = ?????
I like Morrowind btw I just genuinely can't name a single thing it does better than Daggerfall and Visuals/Quests are obviously Skyrim/Oblivion territory.
>>331428845
>5 skill and low agi and fatigue
>misses
>why isn't the enemy reacting to my attacks that never landed
Literally retarded.
>>331428985
This
>>331424630
Morrowind
>>331428906
Morrowinds combat was even shit for its time.
>>331428864
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW150XH1YCk
>that moment when you got out of the sewer for the first time
>>331428985
MORROWBABBIES BTFO
>Oblivion
>Good quests
Yeah, one game of clue and what else? Nothing.
>>331428386
So does Oblivion. Bug fixes are one thing, fixing gameplay is another.
>>331428452
What? Morrowind has decent dice roll combat. Oblivion has absolute shit action combat. What's wrong with dice roll? It's just a different system.
>>331428458
>worse quests than Skyrim
The main quest is probably the best in the series.
>worse combat than Witcher 1
Nothing wrong with dice rolls. At least has more depth than Oblivion's whack-a-mole.
>worse dialogue options than Fallout 4
Play the game before you criticize it.
>worst guilds in the series
Sorry that you can't be guild master of all the guilds by doing a couple of quests.
>every NPC is a leaflet
Plenty of unique NPCs.
>brown and bland environments
Probably the most varied enviroments in the series.
>Everything that Morrowind does, Daggerfall did better.
Morrowind has the absolute best hand placed world and world building in the series. Daggerfall is whole different beast with the algorithmic generation.
>>331425270
Why didn't you put at least one FO3 quest in there that wasn't completely awful?
>>331429004
>literally controlling a sword in first person and actually hitting an enemy with it
>random stat based bullshit makes it so that it "misses"
wow, great fucking combat there, should've made the game isometric or some shit then seriously fuck off
>>331428932
Well, Divine and Divinity 2. Although I would argue Divine's quests were not all that good, and Flames of Vengeance was where Larian's quest design peaked.
>>331429292
>The main quest is probably the best in the series.
Oblivion MQ is better
>>331429360
>>random stat based bullshit makes it so that it "misses"
>im too retarded to understand role-playing games
>>331428226
To be fair, Daggerfall did need several patches to become playable. Even with the fully patched there's no excuse not to add on the third party bugfixes to clean up the quests. Morrowind's also good vanilla but you're still getting an inferior experience if you skip the fan patches, especially for things like the bug where unarmored doesn't even work unless you wear a piece of armor. Oblivion only needs mods to address the level scaling in addition to the typical bugfix mods you need for Bethesda games. It's still got decent content at its core and doesn't need to be completely modded away.
>>331428458
>Everything that Morrowind does, Daggerfall did better.
Not even the most hardcore Daggerfall fanboy would suggest this. I say this becauseI am one of those hardcore Daggerfall fanboys.You're just the typical secondary who reads about old games on wikis and assumes you know everything about them.
Also, this is the literal description of your bait video:
>Two disclaimers; one, this is a level one character with like, 5 skill in Long Blades. Two, I-I only noticed after recording I still had TGM on from my earlier mod testing.
>In other words, the video is purely meant as a joke, you humongous autists.
What he's saying is that he enabled the god mode chat which is the only reason why that fight didn't last five seconds at most.
>>331428906
You have never played Morrowind and Oblivion to compare them side by side.
Let's look at staggers.
morrowind
>stagger chance is based on agility and stamina, and staggers happen almost as frequently as attacks even before mid game
>while staggered during attacking the attack animation is changed to a staggered version, but it still continues to finish the attack
oblivion
>stagger chance is apparently still based by agility, although when you test it out it really makes no difference
>staggers rarely happen
>there's only one type of stagger animation and it completely puts you out of combat
>>331429420
>oblivion gates
it's shit
>>331429420
>Oblivion MQ is better
Said no one ever. Oblivion's main quest is absolute shit tier.
If you could combine all the good things from Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim to make the ultimate TES game, what things would you choose?
>>331429420
oh fuck off
>>331429507
>Oblivion's main quest is absolute shit tier.
No it's not
>>331429292
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW150XH1YCk
Chosen one faggot who needs to stop le great evil? Skyrim/Oblivions main quests were better.
>Nothing wrong with dice rolls
Everything is wrong with dice rolls, hence why Bethesda changed that shit and never looked back. It's dated, garbage and removes all skill required from your combat system which in turn create situations as laughable as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNXYrAkUntU
>Play the game before you criticize it.
I did and you're flat out lying if you deny this. Yor only dialogue options are Yes or No 99% of the time. Why would you blatantly lie like this? Morrowind objectively had a borderline non existent dialogue system.
>Sorry that you can't be guild master of all the guilds by doing a couple of quests.
No need to apologize for your shit game anon.
>Plenty of unique NPCs.
I would ask you to name me 5 but google exists so instead i'll ask for a visual example. Get me one NPC as interesting as the schizo Wood Elf from Skingrad in Oblivion. Just one.
Enjoy your hyperlink leaflet NPCs.
>Probably the most varied enviroments in the series.
Oblivion overtakes it with DLC included. Same with Skyrim. Enjoy smearing liquid shit on your eyeballs if you truly enjoy Morrowinds bland and ugly world.
>Morrowind has the absolute best hand placed world and world building in the series
Nope.
Well that was fun.
>there will never be another TES game with either the depth and lore of morrowind or the pure creative fun of oblivion
>the next TES is basically going to be FO4 with swords
it hurts
>>331429512
setting, story, interface, magic, world and dungeon design and RPG elements from morrowind, quests from oblivion, graphics and character design from skyrim, combat from a different franchise
>>331429512
Only from that three? Eh.
>>331429482
Tell me what Morrowind does better than every other elder scrolls.
>>331429673
>pure creative fun of oblivion
For fucking real.
ERHMAHGERD THERE'S A NOTHER BORING KEEP AND ANOTHER HILL #BESTGAMEEVAR
>>331428985
world and level design
best feeling of being in an alien world, and not the generic "starting green forest with wolves, followed by the big bandit camp"
>>331429427
oh nah, you misunderstand me anon, I get roleplaying games just fine, my point is it doesn't match well at all with the first person perspective and "action" based stuff they were going for, which is much better in oblivion and skyrim even though it's still bad combat
it's like making an RPG FPS where even if you have a fucking sniper and aim right into someone's head who is 2 feet from you, it can still "miss" for some fucking reason because your "gun handling" skill or whatever the fuck was low enough, that's just retarded, if you want to do an RPG then don't mix around bullshit, do it right
>>331429759
Magic inside of a premade world.
Skyrim
>>331429512
Mehcanical depth/freedom from Daggerfall. Nothing from Morrowind. Quests/Soundtrack from Oblivion and Skyrims combat.
>>331429610
You really need a better video to prove your point. I can do the same shit in Oblivion with console commands and maxed difficulty. Not sure how you can suggest that it removes all skill required when it's largely the same as Oblivion's, except instead of your damage being scaled it's your accuracy.
>>331424630
I recently got this back on my PC.....I haven't had this much fun in a decade.
No other game has even come close to the simple stupid fun I've been having with this game. It's broken, it's stupid, it's beautiful and I love it.
>>331428458
>worse combat than Witcher 1
so it's not as bad as Witcher 2's then?
>>331429420
Oblivion's MQ is garbage
>>331429805
>world and level design
Oblivion did it better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=392THJV0Lwg
Next try
>>331429512
Setting of Daggerfall (all High Rock), and factions. Morrowind's world building and merging lore and gameplay. Nothing from Oblivion. Skyrim's combat.
>>331430024
No it's not
>>331429610
>nuh uh!
Well you sure showed me with those hot arguments.
>I would ask you to name me 5 but google exists so instead i'll ask for a visual example. Get me one NPC as interesting as the schizo Wood Elf from Skingrad in Oblivion. Just one.
The Wood Elf is literally a reference to Fargoth.
Maybe play the game before criticizing it, Oblivion baby.
>>331425631
>you're drugged by the warrior's guild to destroy a whole village
>freaking lucien
>this asshole trying to kill you by going for a heavy ring underwater
man the quests were just great, then we had skyrim with its mmo fetch and kill quests
>>331429610
>that video
>Two disclaimers; one, this is a level one character with like, 5 skill in Long Blades. in description
Fuck off.
>>331429945
>left clicling when a little fiery sword icon appears
>pretty much like a shit tier rythim game
>better than witcher 2
>>331429910
> I can do the same shit in Oblivion with console commands and maxed difficulty
The worst you can do is make the enemy damage sponges, you sure as shit won't miss sword swipes like Morrowshit
>>331430123
much better than witcher 2, that sucked ass
>>331430057
>Morrowinds gameplay
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>>331429154
What happened to you /v/? I know what happened... The people who were old enough to beat morrowind on release grew up. Got kids, don't go on /v/ anymore. And the only thing that's left on here is the little brothers of the patricians of gaming. Those truly knowledgable about gaming in general. All that's left is fucking kids saying Morrowind is a meme game. Yet none of them heard the voice of Dagoth Ur after a 150 hour long main story quest and the ominous yet looming impending doom coming down on you in a single soft yet stern voice. None of you experienced this. Fuck you oblivion morons thinking that ending even comes close to the Morrowind storyline. The story in morrowind is so long often those with low attention spans don't even care long enough to see the end.
Pretty soon in 10 years time there will be a slew of players talking about Call of Duty Modern Warfare and Battlefield IV being the best shooters of all time, never paying heed to Doom and what paved the way before it.
>>331430057
how would you define morrowind's gameplay, if not by its combat?
>>331430136
if you build your character properly and mind your fatigue you won't miss sword swipes in morrowind either.
in oblivion everything becomes a damage sponge whether you like it or not, thanks to level scaling.
>>331430236
>>331430293
the experiences. the motions. the music, the atmosphere, the game feel, the mechanics...
>>331430236
I like to imagine anon was crying while typing that post, I mean your tears are delicious
>>331430236
Neo-/v/
Kids whose first TES was Oblivion
>>331429610
>Same with Skyrim
Actually Skyrim beats Morrowind at environmental variety even vanilla. It's just most people don't consider boreal forest versus temperate coniferous forest versus broadleaf forest versus shrubland and so on interesting enough to make note of the difference. But the variety is absolutely there.
ITT: butthurt morronwind faggots.
>>331430227
>>331430293
Why not put it into context "merging lore and gameplay" as in you read about Vivec and later you meet him and find out he's some petty asshole, you read about the dwemer and get to explore their ruins, fight their robots, ghosts and laugh at the last dwemer alive who is a neckbeard. You're just focusing on the gameplay, not the entire sentence.
>>331429806
Morrowind is an RPG, it's not an action game, and they weren't going for any action based stuff.
It's just a pure RPG that didn't want any of that halfassed turn-based crap other RPGs like Baldur's Gate had going at that time.
>>331430236
>kek
>>331426443
>Divinity 2
I just started this and it's very generic so far first town feels really generic so far. When does it get better?
>>331424630
Outside of the Dark Brotherhood, which was admittedly some good stuff, did it have anything not shit?
>>331430123
It wasn't dog-slow console shit, so yes.
>>331430236
>150 hour long main story
Jesus christ, man. Were you wanking for 130 hours? Because beating that main quest doesn't take more than 20 hours even if you allow yourself to explore and do side-quests.
>>331429610
>Get me one NPC as interesting as the schizo Wood Elf from Skingrad in Oblivion. Just one
That is literally a reference to Fargoth though.
>>331430236
>all these made fags
Lel
>>331430030
No it didn't. Morrowind had 3d exploration, and actual reasons to explore. Oblivion, after you're done with quests the only reason you'd have to travel the overworld would be because you're an autist and have to close all the hellgates.
>>331430693
I can't think of a single bad quest in oblivion. Pretty much every quest was great in at least one way. Be it the whodunit, the island, the blackwood company stuff, or even the rats in the basement quest.
>>331430236
>what happened to you, /v/?
Fuck off. People talk about what they want, that doesn't stop you liking what you like.
Morrowind isn't THAT fucking great, at the time it really was but now it's alright and has a few good moments and some nice atmosphere.
Stop parading this shit around though. It wasn't the BEST game of all time and it wasn't the worst, it had good bits and bad bits like every other fucking game on the planet.
Stop acting like /v/ is a person or entity rather than one of the most well known mediums of video game content on the internet which is filled with constantly changing people from different ages and backgrounds with different tastes and preferences you drooling faggot.
>>331429420
>game tells you you're the chosen one
>jk
>it's that guy
>now protect him
It's good
>>331430236
>Morrowind is a meme game.
Pic related, it's my current character (I put short sword in my main skills instead of Minor skills instead of Alchemy by mistake, only realized 4 hours into the game.), so far i'm more than capable enough and have clearly been tyring to enjoy the game but it's just boring.
I'm playing it just as I did oblivion/Skyrim/daggerfall. I look up any must have skills or skills to ignore (like I did with the swimming stat in Deus Ex) then go on my way. I happened upon the Fighters guild, do a few quests and thought "Woah, I like how there's no quest markers". 8 fetch quests later I think "fuck this, i'll try out the mages guild". 4 "fetch quests later" I think, fuck this, i'll go explore some more. 20 Cliff racers later that I still miss frequently despite having decent stats for my level and managing my stamina/fatigue efficiently I think, fuck this, I'll go do some random quests. 11 generic NPCs that all say the same shit with HYPERLINKS later I get a random quest. Try it out. It's another fetch quests.
What then? I try out some magic, make a basic levitate spell, buy some spells etc and fiddle around with it. Think to myself "Wew, that's pretty cool, still worse than Daggerfall in terms of freedom/depth but it's decent". Drop the game after a total of 10-15 hours and never touch it again.
The game is the definition of nostalgia faggotry. It does NOTHING better than the other Elder Scrolls. Nothing. "MUH INTERESTING WORLD". Shivering Isles did it better.
Kill yourselves you fedora tipping nostalgia autists. You faggots talk about "muh dumbing down of the genre" when Morrowind was the biggest dumbed down Elder Scrolls game relative to its predecessor.
Ask me for any more evidence if i've played this game. Before anybody says "underage fag" or some meme defualt defensive response. My favorite RPG is VtMB and that game arguably has one of the worst combat systems in any RPG to date. The combat is the least of Morrowinds problems.
>>331425631
>spend the night on a floating inn, only to wake up with the boat in the middle of the ocean
I dont recall this quest, where is it...I wanna replay oblivion now
>>331425693
"You're underage because I have no argument"
Hang yourself.
>>331430927
From gameplay standpoint it was tedious as fuck though.
>>331430620
but it fucking sucks because there's a disconnect between being there up against an enemy in first person, legitimatly hitting someone/thing yourself but everything is actually based on dice rolls, it's the sniper example I typed in my previous post, it's just retarded
I don't mind pure RPG games, but there are things that just don't mix well / fit with them, if it's an MMO style third person thing where I indirectly control my character, I just tell him what to attack / what skills to use, I can get behind the dicerolls and understand the misses and shit, but if I'm actually hitting a guy with a sword on the head in first person I'd expect play skill trumps random stat points
>>331430927
The game doesn't tell you you're the chosen one.
>>331430970
>Pic related, it's my current character
Forgot the picture
Skyrim is the best TES. The only reason people would disagree is because nostalgia.
>muh quests
lol going into a dungeon to fetch something sure is better in Cyrodiil than in Skyrim.
>>331430979
That boat inn in the Imperial city, stay there over night and you wake up at sea. The place taken over by pirates, its not very memorable in my opinion.
>>331430693
I remember some mage tried to fuck you over with a super heavy ass ring in a well
>>331431106
0/10
>>331430710
no it's legit ass about that long on a first playthrough. Second you could easily do it in about 30 hours or so. But a lot of the quests aren't exactly easy to figure out where you have to go, you have to explore and experience the world for what it is to really beat the game without googling the result. But I legit ass love Morrowind to the point I have the map framed and hung on my wall as well as a morrowind mousepad.
>>331430746
>hell gates
>in shivering isles
>>331431048
But if you played previous games you still expect this in the beginning.
>>331430857
>I can't think of a single bad quest in oblivion.
The main quest
>>331430236
>all the butthurt this post caused
>>331431179
Oblivion MQ is great
>>331430746
>mfw I actually did a close all gates run with the help of a guide in the past
Witcher games.
>inb4 the same autist complains about the tracking quests.
>>331431251
No it isn't.
>>331431251
Don't lie
>>331431317
Yes it is
The Witcher 3s quests aren't even good. Let alone better than GOATblivion
>>331431251
What specifically is great about it, you're just Martin's errand boy.
>>331431179
You got me. I wouldn't call it bad, though it's definitely mediocre.
>>331430970
The first starting quests are in fact fetch quests, its only towards the end you get the serious juicy quests for you areNerevarine. One Destiny: He speaks the law for Veloth's people. He speaks for their land, and names them great.
Keep playing anon. I believe you probably have the attention span to handle it.
>>331431040
>but it fucking sucks because there's a disconnect between being there up against an enemy in first person
Of course there's a disconnect, that's the whole point.
You're not the one manually hitting the enemies, that's your character, and your character is governed by its stats and skills because its an RPG game.
If you can't understand something as simple as that you must be dumb as shit.
>I don't mind pure RPG games, but there are things that just don't mix well / fit with them, if it's an MMO style third person thing where I indirectly control my character, I just tell him what to attack / what skills to use, I can get behind the dicerolls and understand the misses and shit, but if I'm actually hitting a guy with a sword on the head in first person I'd expect play skill trumps random stat points
So you have no problem when it's in third person but when it's in first person you can't get over it for some reason?
God you're fucking stupid.
>>331431179
What's wrong with Oblivion MQ?
>>331430920
Morrowind wasn't the best game in the world, but it was the only decent TES game ever made. Including its own two expansions. Tribunal and Bloodmoon, with their excessive reliance on 'challenging' combat, 'thou art the chosen one' stories and vastly more primitive world design were painfully obvious Oblivion and Skyrim prototypes.
>>331430857
The Slaughterfish quest
The Mazoga quests
The last Mages Guild quest
The Killing Field
>>331430970
inb4 this post gets ignored. This is the undeniable truth with Morrowind, it does nothing right aside from plucking at your nostalgia. It's a completely mediocre gaming experience by todays standards.
>>331429673
I loath the announcement of TES VI, its going to be the official dagger into the franchises heart. Now that every 13 year old in the world has their spotlight on the Elder Scrolls series the collapse is going to be even bigger when it flounders. ;_;
>>331430970
>join a guild
>expect to be tasked with important quests and given responsibility right away
This is why people call you cancer, you care more about being told how awesome you are that having a believable world.
You people fucking ruined the RPG genre.
>>331431529
They were all great.
>>331431126
The only reason people remember it because the reward is the second strongest longsword in the game.
>>331429918
This. Definitely the best ES for me. Morrowinds quests can't even come near some of the most creative and quirky quests Oblivion had. Recently been replaying it and for example the 'pale lady' one from the thieves guild was a blast. Or rather that whole questline is pretty good.
>>331431573
I just can't wait for the day when Skyrim is considered the best elder scrolls game, and people start calling the Oblivion fans nostalgiafags.
>>331430970
>I'll judge a game by the first few hours
I suppose I should judge Oblivion by the shitty tutorial and the 'deliver the amulet' quest?
>>331431529
>The Slaughterfish quest
Literally collect 12 bear asses that you see in MMOs. Only the nostalgiest of fags will defend this. Can't even rob the guy normally.
>>331431720
Skyrim isn't the best, but Oblivionfags are running on nostalgia.
>>331431475
>directly controlling a character swinging a sword / shooting a gun
>indirectly clicking a skill button or pressing 1 2 3 4 5 etc and watching that character do it's thing
>not understanding that difference
you're the fucking retard here anon
>>331430236
>What happened to you, V?
People aren't old cunts with nostalgia goggles for Morrowwind anymore, instead they are young cunts with nostalgia for Oblivion.
It's pretty simple really, nice life story though
>>331431160
My first playthrough lasted over 100 hours too, but I was deliberately ignoring the main quest for most of it. By the time I actually decided to it I wrapped things up in around 5 hours, with one of the most anticlimatic final dungeons ever. Then after aimlessly wandering around for a few hours I realized there was not much else left I still wanted to do, so I moved on to the expansions. With around 150 hours of gametime I feel I experienced everything worth experiencing and I'm done with the game.
If you have the map printed out you should know that getting lost is not an issue with it, as it shows you all those landmarks that make directions ambiguous. I have it printed out too, on an A2 sheet (actually it's the TR version, but close enough). Made for a good tabletop map. To be honest I think I had more fun running pnp campaign in that setting than actually playing the game.
>>331431617
>Here, kill 12 fish because I'm lazy, luckily you can just follow the green arrow each time you kill one
>2 quests where you kill maybe 4 people
>Generic dungeon fighting with a "boss" that also shits on one of the more important characters in the lore
>trying to keep 2 retards from dying from goblins
None of them were "great." For all the good quests in Oblivion, those stand out most to me. Also the Nirnroot quest was pretty bad too, if only for the shit rewards.
Glarthir was a crazy quest when you are new/young.
>>331431463
It's not even the main quests. It's the game as a whole for me. I'm undoubtedly going to try it again because it's clearly a classic for whatever reason but I'm arguing why I don't see how it's better than any of the other Elder Scrolls games. It's just weak, the world is pretty boring when you think about it. It's admittedly cool looking and alien which is a fantastic change but aside from that, the bland color scheme bored me quickly, Oblivions Shivering Isles did it better.
The combat is plain old unstatisfying, it's just terrible. I really don't see how it could get better because at the end of the day, even if I consistently hit the enemy there is literally zero skill involved. At least Skyrim/Oblviion had actual blocking, playable stealth/archery mechanics to boot. As for the NPCs, they are just terrible so far, the dialogue system is pretty much non existent and overall, i'm bored beyond belief. The quests are flat out chores, main quests or side quests.
In Oblivion the moment I left the sewer I went exploring and encountered numerous fantastic quests in Bravil/Leyawin. I found one of the most interesting quests i've seen in gaming period (The Wood Elf guy who thinks he's beeing watched). All of that was from exploring. Same with Skyrim (but to a lesser degree).
I mean, I found a nake Nord guy who got robbed from a mage and just when I thought, "Hmm, this might be interesting" what happens. I get to choose him or her with no incentive to believe either of them, engaged in the shitty combat and the quest was over.
That was the most interesting quest I found so far. This game is just boring dude.It doesn't seem to get anything right aside from subjective shit like "Muh atmosphere/setting".
>>331431746
>10-15+ hours
>first few
Fucking kill yourself Morrowbabby
>>331429759
I didn't say it did things better than every other Elder Ecrolls. I just said that it's laughable to suggest that Daggerfall, a game where the NPCs can't even interact with the world in any way, did everything better than Morrowind.
As for the things Morrowind did do best, obviously world design. Vanilla Oblivion's the worst in that regard since there's so little hand-placed content and 90% of the region is forested rolling hills. The way quests and factions interacted in Morrowind was also better than in any other TES game as well. Every non-main quest in Daggerfall is self-contained and if you're lucky you might get a letter allowing you to "fail" the quest to gain reputation for someone else. In Morrowind the factions you join and how you complete quests in can permanently affect what's available to you, most obviously with the Houses but also things like the FG/TG conflict and Telvanni bases going hostile. In Oblivion and Skyrim you'll quickly become the leader of everyone regardless of your build or relationship with others. Morrowind wasn't perfect there and you could work around rivalries like MG/Telvanni way too easily with bribes, but it's got the most to offer as far as choices and consequences, followed by Daggerfall with the reputation mechanics.
Then there's the way content is integrated into the world. Most quest items don't just magically pop into existence when you accept the quest. Many NPCs even carry the rewards they would give you for quests on their person. You'll find dozens of quests and sometimes complete them out of order by stumbling upon some item, location, or NPC even if you didn't "activate" the intended start point. Outside of quests, there's just the fact that there's lots of interesting unique items to be found as well. The rare Daedric pieces, the Wizard's Staff in a daedric shrine, and others hidden out of sight. The game isn't waiting for me to reach some arbitrary level to present these to me; they're simply there.
>>331424630
>>331430970
If Morrowind is a nostalgia game than how come I'm playing it for the first time and consider it great?
>>331431890
>Oblivionfags are running on nostalgia
I suspect a bunch of people who never played it are overpraising it to get reactions and memes.
You can't be retarded enough to say that this is immersive and great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_nKBeYib6M
>>331432203
bad tasteit really is the best TES game though
>>331425075
This, but it is tied with Oblivion IMO, i would never say i choose one over the other, both have fantastic singleplayer quests
>>331431604
Except that isn't what he said. He clearly gave it a shot, he explored the world and even then found the same shitty fetch quests.
Why can't you Morrowcancer just accept that your game is fucking boring? Not one of you guys try to refute these posts despite the guy giving evidence that he played the game (and his build negates the "YOU'RE ONLY MISSING BECAUSE OF YOUR STATS damage control). God fucking damnit, you shitters don't even know why you like Morrowind. You just spout the same memes/damage control over and over again.
>>331432203
>if I like it how come someone doesn't like it
fuck off, bring something to the discussion or get the fuck out
>>331432040
It's hard to believe now but graphics was a big selling point. Every went "Holy shit, look how amazing the water looks".
People just don't really get Morrowind, they try and play it just like any other modern RPG.
It requires a great deal of dedication for a modern player to get into since its almost like a vacation/student exchange to a different country and it has the typical "old game from a different era" for people to get over.
Before you scream "nostalgia" like a SJW screaming "misogyny" at something it doesn't like, Oblivion was my first TES game and probably my favourite. But Morrowind is really under-appreciated by most people that jumped on with Oblivion and Skyrim.
>>331432203
You know that thing they always say about Skyrim? "Vast as an ocean..."
Well, there is your answer.
>>331431968
>he doesn't know the goblins literally follow the stick, so you can control goblins instead of completing the quest
I didn't bother to read the rest, but it's clear you're retarded.
>>331431904
For the last time, you're not your character.
The only difference between a 3rd person camera and a 1st person one (Morrowind has both anyway) is a stylistic one in this case, you're not supposed to be yourself in Morrowind.
Morrowind is a pure RPG game, you build a character with defining features and those are the ones that govern every action he makes in the world, the only thing you, the player, does is choosing which actions he makes, but you can't affect their outcome with your own skills.
You're just complaining because you're a dumbshit that thinks that because you're playing something in 1st person it has to be fucking Doom.
>>331432162
Yeah, the game has like more than 100 hours of quests you utter retard.
>>331432393
Except Skyrim is actually the best 3D one unlike the other.
>>331429261
>all the Oblivon babies ignoring this post
>>331432164
>obviously world design
Shivering Isles and it's not 100% Afghanistan tier brownshit. NEXT.
> The way quests and factions interacted in Morrowind was also better than in any other TES game as well
Skyrim did it better. With a little bit of fuckery you can easily complete every faction in the game regardless of them hating you. You can't in Skyrim. NEXT
> In Oblivion and Skyrim you'll quickly become the leader of everyone regardless of your build or relationship with others
In Morrowind you're literally "le chosen one #13123". Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. Oblivion went away from this cliche troupe. NEXT
>Then there's the way content is integrated into the world. Most quest items don't just magically pop into existence when you accept the quest. Many NPCs even carry the rewards they would give you for quests on their person. You'll find dozens of quests and sometimes complete them out of order by stumbling upon some item, location, or NPC even if you didn't "activate" the intended start point. Outside of quests, there's just the fact that there's lots of interesting unique items to be found as well. The rare Daedric pieces, the Wizard's Staff in a daedric shrine, and others hidden out of sight. The game isn't waiting for me to reach some arbitrary level to present these to me; they're simply there.
Which can result in the game literally fucking you over through glitches/objects not appearing when they should. NEXT
Oh wait, there's nothing left. Your game's just shit senpai
>>331432164
>You'll find dozens of quests and sometimes complete them out of order by stumbling upon some item, location, or NPC even if you didn't "activate" the intended start point.
Only morronwindfag could think this is a good thing in any way
>here's a spoiler about part of the story which your character can't possibly know about because you stumbled upon something even though you have no idea WHAT it is
>>331432263The OP is samefagging quite a bit in this thread. He's replied to his own OP twice, including the very first reply. Oblivion's a good game and there are multiple legitimate defenders but you'd get the wrong impression if you looked at this thread in a vacuum. /v/'s not that bad yet.
Is TES babby's first RPG series?
>>331432203
Because you're flat out lying.
>>331432203
Shittaste.
>>331429292
>Bug fixes are one thing, fixing gameplay is another.
So you agree with my stance that they need mods.
>>331432396
It's clear you're retarded. I'm talking about the one where you babysit the two morons on the farm and fight 3 waves of goblins. The Killing Field. I said as much in >>331431617
>>331432263
Try playing it. You'll see.
>>331432756
Only since Oblivion.
Arena, Daggerfall and Morrowind were too complex for many. It wasn't until Oblivion that they tried to make it easily accessible.
>>331432892
Stop backpedaling.
>after all these years, people still have issues with Morrowind's combat
It's really not nearly as difficult as you make it out to be.
>>331432416
>Yeah, the game has like more than 100 hours of quests you utter retard.
Literally 99 hours worth of them are complete horse shit you utter retard. Enjoy speaking to the same reskinned NPC with the same handful of quest giving "Do you need any more RUMORS or how about some SECRETS. Do you need directions to the FIGHTERS GUILD in VIVEC?" NPCs giving you one unique line of dialogue at most.
>>331432598
Because nostalgiafags have a convenient way of forgetting the shitty aspects of their beloved games.
It makes sense as the 12 year olds then are now around 20.
>>331432346
In the post I replied to it says:
"The game is the definition of nostalgia faggotry."
I want to know how than a person who is not nostalgic about something that is the definition of nostalgic faggotry can like the game?
The poster I replied to, and many others in this thread, claim that only nostalgia faggots can like this game which should imply that I can't like it, but I do.
So I am either nostalgic about a game I never played or those people are wrong in their assessment of the game or they are trend followers whose perception is formed by the current trends.
There, I brought to the table.
>>331432389
That's retarded, anon. If you said Morrowind was for people born on a certain day to uncertain parents, that still would be closer to the truth.
I have a good time playing RPGs 20 years older than Morrowind, and yet I still don't understand the blind love this game gets. Note that I'm not saying it is bad. But it has plenty of issues both related to gameplay, quest, and map design, that always get dismissed like you had to be a casual to notice them. Which is asinine logic, as casuals thanks to their lack of experience don't notice design problems at all.
I played oblivion recently for the first time. I completed the main quest, dark brotherhood and the thieves guild and the quests were okay-ish. Any GTA has better quests. Morrowind has better quests. Runescape has better quests. Many cRPGs have better quests. People defending oblivion are 17~21 because it was the first interesting RPG they played. The same happened to morrowind some years ago, as >>331430236 is saying, but the morrowindfags are now the minority because oblivionfags are now old enough to post.
Kill yourselves.
>>331432203
Because you're not a filthy casual that can't play games older than 2005
>>331432963
Oblivion is more complex than morrowind, though, due to the schedules, manual creation, player-npc and npc-npc interactions, etc.
>>331432963
>Morrowbabbies trying to imply that they're game wasn't the most butchered down TES game relative to the prior game in the series
KEK. Morrowind started the casualization, don't even try to fool yourself faggot.
