Is it worth it?
>>331396865
One of the worst games I've ever played, let alone worst MMO.
>>331396865
boring soulless grind fest, like most all kmmorpg's nowadays
>>331396865
It's a different kind of MMO, it doesn't hold your hand much at all and it expects you to have a strong sense of adventure. It's you vs the world :) Go out and see what it has to offer!
>>331398825
>Go out and see what it has to offer!
I'll save you the trouble.
it's has brainless mobs for grinding.
>>331396865
I'm enjoying it
>>331396865
its [spoilers]fun[/spoilers]
>>331398825
Garbage. It offers garbage.
>>331398905
I did too when I played the beta, I just didn't enjoy it enough to justify paying $30 or the overpriced cashshop.
>>331396865
It's fun.
no
>no endgame
inb4 b-but pvp is the endgame
I don't want to fight over who gets the best grinding spot.
>>331396865
Kind of a shame that those nice graphics and character creation system are being wasted on a shit MMO.
Game had potential but the lack of a basic thing like player trading completely ruined it
>>331396985
>>331397151
>>331398825
>>331398898
>>331398905
>>331398974
>>331398982
>>331399009
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>>331399109
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>>331400210
How many of you have actually played the game?
>>331400358
Have you actually played the game?
>>331400805
No. What about it?
I have fun with it.
Character creation is not that great because there are a lot of clipping issues.
>PvP centric, but they have a softcap when 3 levels is enough to completely decimate another player for free
>add in higher tier gear or the superior class and you got yourself an imbalanced fuckfest
>>331396865
>boring wow clone with ultra high detailed graphics
i play vindictus, and this game is for lazy number mashing to win , like all wow clones
no skill or dodging needed tutorial is boring as fuck
kill wolf, now kill 2 wolf, now kill 1 imp
repeat
>>331400358
I played during closed beta you cuck.
It's funny how every time one of these copy pasta MMOs get announced people claim its gonna be the next WoW. Then it comes out, people play it for a week and realize its what they have been doing since 2005. Uninstall.
>>331396865
>Korean MMO
Not even once, Anon.
>grind
>zero socialisation
>grind
>might as well play a singleplayer game
>grind
>PvP is fucking dead or heavily punished
>grind
>No personalization
>Have to pay 35 dollars for a costume
>After playing 30 dollars for the fucking game
>You even have to play dollars to reset skills/talents
>Grind
>No level cap!! So you can keep
>GRINDING FOREVER
I hate Asian MMO, they all suck balls. I simply cannot understand how Koreans like grinding fests. Fuck this game, fuck it hard and I hope it dies.
>>331400805
Have you?
>>331401637
Have you?
>>331401608
>zero socialisation
check out this friendless fuckboi
>>331401608
It is true that the prices for the costumes and shit are quite high but when considering that its a buy and play game, the "micro"transactions store is justified.
I dont know about the other stuff because i havent played but im interested in trying it out, a lot of people i know compare it to vanilla wow
>>331400358
Hey shill.
>ALL OF THESE OPINIONS ARE WRONG! BELIEVE MY OPINIONS! THE ONLY GOOD ONES ARE THE ONES SHILLING IT!!
>>331401720
No, have you?
This game is literally a cash fucking grab
>No PvE content, zero
>Pay for new armor, because the ones you get in the game are all the same
>No level cap
>No PvP
>No trading with friends
>You have to pay to reset skills if you ever want to change your set up
>it's a fucking boring grind fest
I am glad I got a guest pass, unlike my friends who actually paid for this piece of crap. The only good MMO I tried is WOW and GW2.
Never trust Asian devs.
>>331401801
>Posts contain both negative and positive
>HEY SHILL
>>331401861
>WOW is good
>GW2 is good
Wew lad
>>331401637
Yes, with this playtime
game had potential but it's pretty shit to be honest
>>331401753
>Vanilla wow
>Having to pay to reset skills
>Having to pay for shit looking costume
>zero interaction with other players
>Never have to join others or make a group to defeat a foe, make friends along the journey
I don't think you've played vanilla wow, my friend.
>>331401730
>Be out with a friend leveling
>Item I cannot use, but he can drops
>I want to give it to him
>OH FUCK YOU, THERE IS NO TRADE IN THIS GAME
>>331401952
He probably never played GW1
>>331401952
Better than any other MMO I've played so far, without a doubt. They all try to imitate wow, and they always fucking fail.
I am not saying wow is not shit, though. I had my fair share of Blizz bullshit myself.
I play it with some friends I met in another MMO. I hate it, but they love it so I keep playing. It really is just grind. You don't get exp from quests for the most part. And when you level up, you don't get anything for it like skill points or stat boosts (besides maybe, MAYBE, a minor hp boost). You get skill points over time, from grinding monsters. And you get stat boosts by grinding for money so you can enchant gear.
There's a crafting system that involves more grinding, and it's an extensive system to be sure, but since player trading doesn't exist the whole thing feels fucking pointless. There is an auction house, but you cannot set your own prices. The game sets the prices. It's fucking stupid. I'm so pissed that my friends like this garbage.
>>331401753
There are barely any armor sets in the game and they all look like shit
Your only option to actually get a decent looking armor is by buying costumes from the cashshop
That are
1. more expensive than the game itself
2. actually has stats like exp boost and so on
If they wanted to actually make money they could halve the price and sell more instead of relying on whales
>>331402024
No, I did not.
Its super comfy and I like it so far
If you are only after endgame content then just avoid it and kill yourself too because you are the one ruining mmos
I'd suggest getting a guest pass and see for yourself
I'm currently at level 20 after 3 days because I can't stop exploring stuff, fishing on my raft, riding my donkey, etc
>>331402017
Its what ive heard, i cant have an opinion on my own since i havent played it. I just know that the people that played the game, that ive talked to, all compared it to vanilla and said that the "feel" is there.
>>331402131
Yeah i mean, no-one can defend the prices in thet ingame shop. They are absurd. But i think the bonuses the sets give are negligible. I mean sure, the pets picking up loot and 10% bonus XP is nice but is it really that big of a deal? But yes, your point still stands. The prices are bonkers.
It's the Korean MMO of the month, like with Archeage or Blade and Soul before it. It will be forgotten soon enough to make way for the next Korean MMO that will "be totally different."
>>331402461
Whatever you do, get a guest past first. Do yourself a favour, do not purchase the game before trying it out for free.
Four of my friends bought the game, they left before my 7 day guest pass expired.
>>331396865
Best MMO I've ever played. And I've played most the major ones. Wheras with others I get bored around level 20-30, this one I get bored of around level 40.
>>331396865
So if you want to craft something you have to grind out something called "contribution points" by doing the worst bottom of the barrel quests you can imagine. So picture this, an NPC tells you to go and kill some monsters so you can tell him their weakness. When you come back and hand it in all is well and good, but as soon as you handed that quest in ANOTHER quest from a guy NEXT to him has him asking you to go and kill a whole bunch of those SAME MONSTERS. It is like this Everywhere. There are so many fucking quests to go and kill the same things you will want to kill yourself.
So okay, you've gotten some contribution points and let's just pretend you have the materials too. You set your worker to go and make a whole bunch of the item... and it will take fucking hours. I mean real life hours. And if you log off it will only complete one of that item. You cannot log off the game at all because of this. Guess what that means for server population and framerate in towns? It also has player mounts just sitting out there too so you can't see anything but asses and wagons for miles and miles.
Oh right, it has an energy system too. So you log on and you see how it's just about to cap and then all of your plans are canceled because wasting energy is a big fucking no-no. Go spend an hour gathering or something.
Fuck it. It isn't worth your time. Unless you have 10 hours a day to play just don't bother.
>>331402598
Yeah im trying to get my hands on one, havent had any luck so far.
>>331402228
>If you are only after endgame content then just avoid it and kill yourself too because you are the one ruining mmos
>>331402228
So your argument is that its the trip to endgame that makes an MMORPG and not the endgame itself. But can a MMORPG really be good if it has no endgame? (not saying BDO doesnt have one, i dont know)
atleast the professions are fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKKOSJ97j8Q
>>331402793
>>331402915
I'm not saying endgame content shouldn't exist but people in mmos nowadays tend to rush max level then play minmaxing and cry that there are not much left to do
>hurr durr I got powerleveled to max in 8 hours but there are only 3 dungeons for me to grind now, this game is shit
>>331402915
>So your argument is that its the trip to endgame that makes an MMORPG and not the endgame itself.
That is going to depend on what you are seeking on a MMO. If you want to do high end PvE, this game is not for you because it basically does not exist. That means No dungeons, No raids, no shit except endless grind.
If you are like me, you want to get at high level to start doing arenas and World PvP. Which basically does not exist in this game, or is insanely punished with a retarded karma system.
Once you finish building a raft and get tired of showing off your tier 8 horse, what the fuck are you goind to do in this game? Buy 200 dollars worth of costumes and make your waifu stand around the main cities? Watching players go by each other with zero interaction?
>>331403216
>If you are only after endgame content then just avoid it and kill yourself too because you are the one ruining mmos
>I'm not saying endgame content shouldn't exist but people in mmos
Go sort your cognitive dissonances somewhere else, you shill.
>>331402915
No it can't. This faggot >>331402228 is a fucking retard and really needs to consider putting his head on some train tracks.
Look at TESO, and Wildstar. Why didn't the F2P save Wildstar? No fucking endgame to keep people from playing. Not even the BRs stuck around.
>>331403426
>>avoid it
>shill
sure checks out
ah, yes. 17 year old virgins with heavy acne getting emotionally charged about a MMO. it, like many video games, is a good way to kill time. got 2+ days game time in, still having fun. I like the trading system and art style
>>331403751
coooooool
>>331403620
One of my four friends had the same opinion as you, he didn't care about the endgame not existing or the endless grind. He didn't even care about the lack of activities we could do together as a group.
He got mesmerized by the immersion, the graphics and the novelty of learning about a new mmo. I can respect that, and I will say i also felt that. But it does not last, and it is definitely not enough to keep you in the game once you see that the game is actually not that complex.
Enough to say he left the game 4 days into spending 30 dollars into it, and claiming it was the most fun he ever had with an MMO.
You told me you just finished making your raft ealier in the thread, so I assume you've started playing not too long ago. Enjoy the honeymoon period while it last my friend.
>>331403751
I am 20 years old, on a healthy weight range and luckily never suffered with acne, not even during puberty.
Nice story, although I never asked for your biography.
>>331396865
I get a hardon when games use correct anatomy for breasts.
>>331402461
Out ofall the things I've boughtso are pets the best.
Seriously you're saving tons of time by having 3 pets looting everything for you. It literally becomes auto-looting with pets basically doubling if not tripling your speed.
Even if its shit its still the best mmo on the market right now
>>331403973
I enjoy endgame content but I also want to explore the game. What I'm saying is that a lot of people disregard the whole game and try to play minmaxing at max level where there's nothing but grind then blame the game for being shit.
Everyone who's only in it for the endgame should just play a different genre because its an RPG. Do you faggots only play Skyrim for the endgame? Diablo (not 3) for the endgame?
>>331401229
Vindictus is still around? I wish it wasn't so dead honestly.
What's the point when its not the same experience you're getting when you played Archeage for the first time? And considering they're almost the same shit, its gonna die off soon.
>>331398825
>>doesnt' hold your hand
>has auto run to quest location
>weak as fuck enemies so you can solo them
>>331404290
No, I played Wow for the endgame. Most Arenas and WPvP.
That shit is tons of fun for me, ever when all the bullshit Blizz has brought over the years regarding class balance, I still had fun with my friends and my Warlock Destro.
All the friends I have now, I met 7 or 8 years ago by PvPing around the world in World of Warcraft, friendship that I know will last a life time. I sincerely doubt Black Desert can provide anything similar to that.
Can one of you silly retards who bought this game hand me a guest pass?
fakeaccountharhar@yahoo
No way am I dumping 30 dollars on this fucking game only to be disappointed.
>>331401229
>vindictus
>talks abut skill
my waifu
>>331404508
>WPvP
>WoW
If it was anything post vanilla you're full of shit.
>>331405065
>>331405123
nice puffy vulva
>>331402228
5 days 18 hours now, only level 40. The game is just a comfy mmo experience.
>>331405123
>>331405181
someone finally gets it
>>331405095
I played Wotlk most when it came to WPvP, before the flying mounts in Azeroth that came with Cataclysm.
WPvP was very alive, Cataclysm fucked it all up.
>>331405357
I do a bit of combat and questing, but I find trading, breeding and crafting to be the most enjoyable part of the game.
>>331405495
>>331405357
>>331405181
This is all you cunts play the stupid game, shitty waifu making. Good job.
>>331405540
>>331405579
Very funny, waiferfag.
>>331405540
>s-stop having fun!
>>331405797
>y-you too..
>>331405540
>no fun allowed
>>331405892
>>331405945
>>331405989
>>331405945
>>331405892
>Beautiful combat
>You will only use it against and endless grind of monsters for mission
>No Arenas
>No Battlegrounds
>No Dungeons
>No Raids
>WPvP is heavily punished
What is the fucking point? I hate Korean MMO's, what a fucking waste of potential. It could destroy WOW if they wanted to.
>>331396865
>Korean MMO
>Ca$h $hop
>Archeage 2.0
>>331406090
I don't know about the game, but absence of cancerous wow established mandatory mmo experiences like instanced pvp and idiotic gear treadmill already makes it more attractive to me. The only thing I'm worried about is that they will actually start to cater to the needs of idiots that demand game be more like WoW and wowclones and actually start adding those things, fucking them up in the process and abandoning the things that made Black Desert original, which would result in them satisfying neither camp and killing the game before it had a chance. You'll never destroy WoW because it doesn't stand as a game, but as a massive cash investment. The moment you make a WoWkiller claim as a developer of a game you are signing the death sentence of your project. The only mmo games that succeeded were the games that never claimed to be WoW killers.
>>331400358
i have at the very least, and the game is not good.
>>331406347
>The only mmo games that succeeded were the games that never claimed to be WoW killers.
Which are?
>>331406431
Guild Wars and EvE online.
>>331406431
>succeeded
>which are
any game that claims to not be a wow killer
What do you think a good mmo has to be 30 million subscribers?
MMOs tend to succeed when they have more than 50k players.
>>331406431
Lineage and Lineage 2 as well, although they are far more popular in the east. The former is in fact still being played very actively and they have opened legacy servers for Lineage 2 with older chronicles.
>>331406491
>Guild Wars 2
>Not a wow clone
>The last expansion even added raids to the game
>Battlegrounds are a thing
>Massive cross-server PvP is a thing
I won't talk about EvE online because I don't know anything about it.
>>331406502
Nice strawman.
I said this game coul easily destroy world of warcraft if it added content, because I sincerely doubt this game will survive unless they actually start doing shit. Time will tell.
>>331406491
Yeah, the first being a furry bait, the 2nd being literally a drug\police free environment where sociopaths and psychopaths stab each other.
>>331406431
EVE online for sure, has been running for more than a decade now
Lineage 2 came out at the same time WoW did and its way more fun than WoW, though it didn't become popular in the west because it didn't have Blizzard as the publisher
>>331406679
>the 2nd being literally a drug\police free environment where sociopaths and psychopaths stab each other.
They stab each other, in real life?
>>331398825
Spotted the shill.
>>331406678
I was talking about Guild Wars 1 and not Guild Wars 2. Guild Wars 2 was a "success" only because of the name attached to the project and ultimately ended up killing the first game and killing itself too because it actually attempted to be a Tera styled WoW clone.
>>331406679
You not liking the projects or not approving of people that play them doesn't invalidate the fact of them being successful.
>gook trash
>mmo trash
>>331406769
GW2 is still doing fine, and it all seems to be due to the addition of new content and changes that keeps people on it.
I don't see how a game that adds no content, and in it self is just a mindless grind fest can survive. If you told me the gameplay was so impressive, you could always go into the game to do something cool...Ok. But Black Desert does not have that at all.
There's only a certain amount of Horse hunting, fishing, raft building and all that shit that you get to do while finding it entertaining before it runs bland and boring. When that is gone, there's is nothing else to do in the game, but to burn cash into useless bullshit in the in game store.
>>331406729
>>331406769
I've played EvE online for years, and i tell you, that game is literally a crime against humanity.
Take bath salts, they're better.
The setting is absolutely amazing, especially the soundtrack which is comfy as fuck, everything else is literally cancer.
Jita 4-4 was awesome.
All the fucking time, even when it was burning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNiYUh5XOQM
>>331406090
What do you do in this game then? Waifufag, run around grinding mobs for EXP and do boring cookie-cutter quests?
>>331406967
I kinda wanna try it out now.
>>331407063
Don't.
Ever.
>>331406961
>I don't see how a game that adds no content, and in it self is just a mindless grind fest can survive
The game isn't even out yet properly, what are you even talking about? Or you're an oracle from the future and you know for sure that it will not receive content updates of any kind? Or should the content updates be immediate? Not to mention that Guild Wars 2 is not doing fine at all, the expansion drew some back in, but the amount of jewery arena net resorted to drove off a lot of people they originally had. It will not last as long as Guild Wars 1 did. For fucks sake, it didn't even have GUILD WARS until the expansion came out three years later. I know what I'm talking about because I had the misfortune of prepurchasing that piece of shit and then seeing it go free to play and realizing that I fucking wasted my money.
>>331407046
Yeah, you can also capture horses and breed them to try to get better horses and then sell them or keep them for yourself. There is Fishing, which is useless. You can farm for gold in the AH. You can speak with every NPC and learn a little bit of them, then use their knowledge to gain a resource that allows you to speak with even more NPCS to learn about them and gain access to new quests...(yay..).
Then...well. You can waifufag all day around.
The only PvP that exist, is Guild PvP and for what I've seen, people are not very happy about it.
So yeah, you got the right idea about the game. There is no level cap, so the grinding never ends. The game reeks of that Asian MMO feeling of coldness, isolation and missing potential.
How much does lag affect gameplay?
I have about 200-300ms ping to the USA servers/
>>331407205
What are you on about, the game is more advanced in Korea. We westerners are getting the game now how it started in Korea, and they will be adding patches with new classes (Like the Ninja, which already exists in Korea but not in our version) slowly. You can see the content they have in Korea, shit ain't changing much aside from new classes.
Yay, now you can grind with a fucking Ninja! COOL!
>Gear is all that matters
>+10 getting completely wrecked and one-shot by +15 characters
>A single person an rape a 7 man group depending on Class
Nah thank you, enjoy your dead game though in the future. Now I finally understand why the game bombed in Korea and it's not because there's nothing to do (there's a shit ton to do)
>>331407335
>Gear is all that matters
>We revolve this by not having any gear, if you want looks, pay 35 dollos, please.
>>+10 getting completely wrecked and one-shot by +15 characters
>We resolve this by removing World PvP from the game! No more unfairness!
>>A single person an rape a 7 man group depending on Class
>Oh, I have an idea! NO DUNGEONS AT ALL.
>(there's a shit ton to do)
A shit ton of fucking grinding, that's all there is.
>>331407335
>Some classes are actually more effective than others in pvp and the equipment matters too
God forbid, right?
>>331401608
>making friends in video games
that's fucking pathetic
>>331407142
Let me see if I can find a trial or something.
>>331407535
post email and I'll send you an extended trial
>>331407535
Alright, i warned you.
Just go to the eve general in /vg/ and ask for a referral, you even get a free month of trial.
>>331407502
>Plays MMO's
>To play alone
I think that's pathetic.
>>331407495
>Sorcerer
>Can One-Shot every class
No thank you, I don't want to play a piece of shit game that that ports and runs around until Dark Flame is off CD and gets his free one-shot against any character except Warriors.
>some classes
Sorcerer, Wizard/Witch and Ranger completely shit over everyone. It's a design mistake if you have Guilds in Korea that are made up of 80% Rangers because that's how unbalanced they are in GvG.
>>331407658
*No thank you, I don't want to play a piece of shit game with a Class
>>331407216
>Yeah, you can also capture horses and breed them to try to get better horses and then sell them or keep them for yourself. There is Fishing, which is useless. You can farm for gold in the AH. You can speak with every NPC and learn a little bit of them, then use their knowledge to gain a resource that allows you to speak with even more NPCS to learn about them and gain access to new quests
Why not just play better game like HM, Rune Factory or Stardew?
>>331407740
>playing games without translations
>>331407740
Probably because of the good graphic waifufaging Black Desert allows. Gotta admit female witches with those hats are cute as fuck.
I still agree with you, Anon.
>>331407464
>We resolve this by removing World PvP from the game! No more unfairness!
Eh doesn't matter at all, most people I ran into that are dicks are in Guilds anyway, just declare war on them and you'll get PvP.
And Open World PvP has not been removed just massively penaltized
>>331407803
>harvest moon, rune factory, stardew valley
>translations
uwot?
>>331407947
>And Open World PvP has not been removed just massively penaltized
Might as well remove it, since no one wants to play something that heavily penalizes you. Look at The division and the shit about going rogue at high level. If you go rogue and they kill you (which is very likely since you are going to be one against everyone) you lose like 3 or 4 hours of farming npcs. If you survive the rogue attempt. You get a worthless reward, not even worth your time.
Result? No one goes rogue anymore.
Basically, WPvP is not real in Black Desert.
>>331408107
People still do Open World PvP, but you are right. Heavy Penalties as found in the game are absolutely terrible, if your Karma drops past a certain point you can even lose fucking enchants on your armor/weapon.
Anyone doing WPvP with +15 Stuff is either absolutely rich or really stupid.
>>331408225
You could drop your whole set of equipment after PKing in l2
Stop being such a bitch
>>331408367
>Being this much of a cuck you call other people bitches for simply stating stuff that needs to be changed in the game
Your fanboyism is disgusting.
>>331400358
It's a korean MMO. It's shit.
>>331396865
Nope.
Combat is good, character creation is good. That's it.
Game is poorly explained, has bad localization, your appearance never changes with your gear unless you spend $25 on a single costume. Everything you want to do requires a grind which everyone else is trying to engage in as well, making it even more of a grind. The conversation mechanic is beyond stupid.
>>331401801
sounds like neogaf
>>331408367
And guess what you could actually get Reputation Points for it which you could buy PvP Armor with you nigger.
>>331396865
>classes are gender specific
Not in the slightest.
>>331408671
>playing male ever
fuck off fuckboi
>>331409350
>not wanting a hulking woman brandishing a massive sword or axe
Only fuckboi here is you.
>>331409350
>Being scared of playing as a male
Our daddy taught not to be ashamed of our dicks.
No
They decided to switch it up and force people to buy it because they knew they fucked up in the korean betas and lost almost half of their potential market when they got huge negative feedback from foreign markets when they decided to gut the game so now they're trying to recoup their potential losses before they switch back to f2p
>>331407624
ditto
>>331396865
I wouldnt say so, the combat is fun at first, but it gets boring and tedious after awhile.
The quests is just "kill this" "talk to this" "deliver this" as in every other mmo.
There is professions like crafting, fishing, tradeing, can even craft you own boat and go full retard if thats what your into.
Other then that its just a grind fest like most korean mmos, not that vanilla wow wasent a grind, but atleast it was a fun grind imo.
I had much more fun in ArcheAge.
The thing i liked the most about the game was that you had to "learn" the mobs weaknesses to see how much damage you are doing to them, and to do more damage to them. But its just a gimmick so you know, thats gonna be tedious after awhile too
>>331410086
It's a shitty Gimmick even.
>>331396865
i was lured into buying the 50 euro package
boy what a fucking disappointment
>>331401608
I can see why people like grinding games. You know someone have put alot of time into the game if they have X item or X title.
Lets say in WoW, there is nothing to farm or grind after, you will get the items you want by just doing your dailys, which is stupid as shit.
Back in Vanilla you could see people spent alot of time in the game by inspecting their gear, you cant do that anymore
>>331406090
have you even played the game? It has arenas and the whole freaking world is a battleground
How hot are the nude mods?
Only arguments "for" this game I see in this thread is the character creator.
Is it really all there is? I don't want to pay 30 dollarydoos for a waifu creator, as I don't play as women in vidya anyway.
These kind of games are really great and prett addictive if you play on release. But once the initial rush is over it is a pretty miserable experience for anyone who wants to catch up.
Also, if you like to play dressup, avoid at all costs. Literally pay2swag.
>>331410253
>Lets say in WoW, there is nothing to farm or grind after, you will get the items you want by just doing your dailys, which is stupid as shit.
>Mounts
>Pets
>Titles
>Pokeymanz battlus
>Gold fever (pretty much trying to become rich with gold for the heck of it)
>Reputations for achievements and shit
>Gear from old content for transmog
There is probably a lot more that I am forgetting, but there is a ton of shit more to do in wow besides daily quests. It all the depends on what you want to do too, which is cool.
>Back in Vanilla you could see people spent alot of time in the game by inspecting their gear, you cant do that anymore
What do you mean by this?
>>331410552
>Arenas
Located outside most major cities, are battle arenas that have their own unique rule set for PvP combat. These arenas are more commonly used for dueling, practice combat, and small scale friendly skirmishes
If this is your understanding of Arenas, I feel dishearten.
>No 3vs3
>No squaddies to raise to the top of the leaderboards for rewards like titles and mounts that are very unique and special
>Not mastering your class and teamwork
>The cries and laughs of the entire journey
Dude, Arenas in Black Desert are mere duels.
>>331408497
>i haven't played it
>but i'll say it's shit and dissuade people from buying it
I genuinely don't understand why?
>>331411205
Korean MMO's tend to be very shitty for us westerners, I think I can understand his instant dismissal.
I would not recommend this game personally, wouldn't even tell them to try them out themselves because I know the gave can easily grab your nose with the good graphics/combat, make you spend 30 dollos those first 3 days and then...well then you learn about the game and it is not worth it 30 dollos anymore.
>>331408367
I don't know about L2 but in Runescape you could atleast loot other players
here you can't. Killing other players is only there to remove their existance so you can continue grinding
while you yourself are taking a huge risk by doing it
>>331410664
Could just try out it on the KR/JAP version anyhow
>inb4 "hurr the grind is longer"
of course the grind is longer for a game that doesn't have a fucking endgame worth jack shit you money dropping retards
>there are people who would pay to play less
>>331410664
Best MMO until either:
>Star Citizen comes out and is good
>Camelot Unchained comes out and is good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwyqxm_r1rE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpBKXG5VK3s
>>331410735
First off all, most achivements, mounts, pets, titles etc is rewarded from reputations. And these days you get rep by doing dailys. Not farming X amount of some item that some guy in nowhere land want for some fuck all reasons, or by just killing monsters.
Today its dailys, dailys and more dailys. What if i dont want to do my fucking dailys today? What if i want to PvP? But no, if i dont do my dailys im going to get behind my guild which is far from cool. So instead of letting me pull a all nighter and finish my rep farm at the same time as the rest of my guildies, i have to do my dailys, which will take like 2-3 hours, then do whatever the fuck i want.
>What do you mean by this?
How often do you see a player these days and think "Holy fuck, he got X weapon" or "Fuck me, the X set item?", the answere is never.
Back in Vanilla you would get so excited seeing a BIS or close to BIS geared player. Hell, in the early days of Vanilla just a pre-raid BIS geared player was a fucking celebrity
>>331413098
Another good video on why BDO is better then most other MMOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNFWhCw8dg
>>331413459
Kungen is fucking delirious.
>>331413459
He is already bored of the game though
>>331413529
Drunk, but right.
Bought the cheapest pack.
Got buyer's remorse.
I've been enjoying the production stuff, but I don't really know why I'm doing it.
It sort of reminds me of the manufacturing stuff in EVE, but without the element of competitiveness EVE's economy had. Maybe I should just play that again.
>>331413290
Oh I see. I suppose this is how it works now in Warlords of Draenor. I never actually played this exp. But yeah, I know what you mean now. I think the last time one I cared about checking other people's gear was in TBC and early Lich. Cataclysm was cancer for me.
I have no plans on coming back for this exp, I will wait for the next one that seems to be the one Blizz is putting all the money into to bring everyone back. No, I am not preordering or any of that stupid stuff either.
>>331414575
Yeah im gonna give the new expansion a go like i have done with all of them, but we'll see, i dont have big hopes desu
korean game, won't play.
if you haven't learned your lesson already, maybe BDO will teach you infantile retards that every mmo from korea is complete grindfest pay to win trash.
>>331414682
Me neither Anon, but we'll see what they do this time around. It's all a waiting game now.
>>331406090
Node War pvp is going to be added into the NA/EU versions soon, so there'll be guilds building castles and waging war over control of production, city and exploration nodes soon.
>>331415061
GvG right now is shit though with ghille suits and nolife grinders
>>331415337
Someone worked harder then you, and then they kicked your ass. Welcome to life, If you want a fair fight go pick up street fighter v, it's great.
>>331415061
>>331415337
I know how it is to hope for changing to a game you like that never seem to come. I have no hopes for Korean devs to listen to the community, speacially since the western community does not matter, we are not getting new content, we are getting translated old content Korea has already experienced.
>>331410967
>WoW arenas
They were the most cancerous shit imaginable where you would get top gear for fighting ten battles a week. There was no "teamwork" or mastering your class involved, past TBC you just had to play the latest fucking cleave/rmp. You've never gotten past 1800, have you?
>>331396865
dead game fampai, better play dwarf fortress.
>>331415468
>You've never gotten past 1800, have you?
I have, and I still had fun regardless. Definitely beats having duels only.
>>331415621
You don't need to have ladders and rankings to be well recognized as a good PvP player. If you're a good pvper, it's the community that should be the one doing the recognizing and further blowing your exploits out of proportion. This is an online multiplayer game for a reason. Not offline leaderboards with high scores. Introduction of arenas as means of getting ahead was just another way of segregating the game from the community and further contributed to the death of WoW. You can have "fun" throwing rocks in a lake, it's not really an argument. Now regarding the difficulty of arenas, I want to post that ancient arenajunkies image of
>immolate
>cleanse
>immolate
>cleanse
>fear, immolate, conflagrate, incinerate, chaosbolt
>SKILL
>>331415931
Yeah, but black desert offers none of that. If I had to chose between bad wow arenas season or duels only, I go with Arenas everytime.
>>331415931
>Necrotic strike spam
ALLAHU AKBAR
>>331416356
FOUR SCOOPS
>>331417123
WHATEVER IT TAKES, COME ON!
>>331417160
LOWER THAN BALLS
>>331400805
Have you?If not then yes, i have played it
>>331400358
This is the right question, the ebin replies, no one from korea or russia server chipped in an opinion. At least /v/ being full of shit is nothing new, even if realistically any mmorpg won't be good without better physics in battle.
>>331405123
she looks like a fat bitch
waifu? looks like she'd cuck you with a black man
Another chore simulator
>>331418276
Korea is great guys, much better than NA/EU
https://youtu.be/sC42IPTbIVA?t=5m46s
Are vanilla wow severs any fun?
Its fucking strange. a Mix of cool and bad all in one. The scales are tipping so fast its doing a fucking helicopter.
Pros
>Combat is pretty cool.
>Wizards actually look like wizards
>Some great customization for creation
>Can start your own trade empire, go full npc mode
>Buy comfy houses
>More ways to advance then just combat
>Guild vs. Guild seems cool on paper, fighting for territory controll
Cons (there are many)
>Fucking energy system
>It costs ALOT of energy to report spam
>Cash shop items, while cosmetic, cost $30+
>The grind is real. Takes a while to hit cap
>Alot of stuff is hidden behind amity, which costs alot of energy
>ENERGY REFILLS AT 1 PER 3MIN.
>Its incredibly confusing at first, tells you almost nothing
>Story is convoluted mess
>Not even subtle invisible walls. Talking dead stop on an open road
>PVP is extremely limited right now, as it just came out and players havent hit cap/gotten the guild balls to attack other head on
>I really hate the energy system
The fact that it dosnt have a subscription was the only reason I got it. $30 gone is whatever, and I can pick it up any time.
>>331396865
Prob not worth the 30$
The only reason I'm playing is because my friend gave me his account
>>331407260
i play warrior at around 190 ping and I don't have any trouble in PvP outside of grabs, but I think they're bugged.
I'm pretty sure dodging and blocking is client-sided or just works really well under high ping.
You can just roll wizard/witch if you're worried and lock-on/aoe everything.
>>331396865
Nope. Don't believe the hype.
>>331396865
They released the character creator as a stand alone program for free.
There is absolutely no reason left to actually buy the game.
>>331401608
>No level cap!! So you can keep
is this true? I'm a sucker for grindfests, but if it's the same shit as GW2 where levels don't matter it's nothing
can you be a living god or it's nothing?
Here's the truth:
neo-/v/ isn't going to like it because neo-/v/ is made up entirely of 2004 babbys who have never played an old school MMO in their life.
They truly believe that if a game doesn't shit out "end game" raids every 3 months it's shit, because all they know are MMOs which revolve around the WoW formula. Once a game diverts from that formula, they panic.
The end game in BD is more like the end game for DaoC. You have your "RvR" type PvP with sieges. You have a couple yet to be released dungeons. The focus on the game isn't the grind to "max level" and then sit in your AOL chatroom game where you just wait for raid time then instant teleport and smash your 3 key rotation. BD is about immersing yourself in the world and taking part in it.
I fucking leveled 10 levels or so doing nothing but fishing and getting fat stacks of silver. Nothing is holding you back from just experiencing the game however you want to.
The game looks gorgeous and the combat is very very refreshing.
If you've played an MMO before 2004, try it out. If not, avoid at all costs and kill yourselves for ruining an entire genre.
>>331420607
Reaching cap is easy as fuck. One friday night I just decided to do 35-50 in one-go. It is the grind after that which is real, like at 55 people get 1% for 5 hours of grinding
And the invisible walls are there because we don't have all the content yet which KR has
>>331420862
I am not 100% sure about the NA/EU version but lvl 50 is the soft cap. It is really easy to reach and this is where all the end-game stuff is at(PvP activates at 45) and most bosses are 45-50.
After lvl 50 the grind becomes real, it gets harder and harder for each level and as I mentioned >>331421585
here so does it take hours to get 1% exp.
And you lose 1% exp if you die, no matter if you die from monsters or other players that gank you.
Levels gives a huge benefit. PvP similar to PvE has this accuracy thing were its harder to hit high level targets, if you're lvl 55 you're practically a god when facing lvl 50-51s which the majority of players will be.
While grinding monsters you also get more skill points and lvl 55-60 will give you tons of more health, almost doubling it.
Gear is still the most important in the game, but with the way accuracy works, being high level is a huge advantage as well.
>>331421416
BDO is quite bad you just haven't realized it because they're marketing the "sandbox" quite well even though it isn't sandbox.
What you're doing, fishing at low level could be done in other games like WoW as well.
Playing as a pure crafter to get money is also possible in WoW, FF14 and so on.
And these games even have proper trading and everything comparing with BDO were you sell everything to NPCs and do everything with NPCs as if it was a singleplayer game
>>331422962
>Fish in WoW
Wow, nothing I catch is worth a thing and amounts to nothing!
>Fish in FFXIV
Wow, nothing I catch is worth a thing and amount to nothing!
>proper trading
>WoW
>FFXIV
Sure, I love games who's entire trading economy is based upon RMT.
There's nothing wrong with BDO's economy. It's exactly the same as WoW or FFXIV without the RMT. Selling too much of an item on the market? It goes down in price. Sell too much of an item to a trader? It goes down in price.
I never said that BDO was a true sandbox game anywhere. Your projecting is entertaining, but you seem desperate.
>>331422962
I'm sorry BDO isn't WoW :(
>>331423353
>Trading in BDO
>Sell to NPCs
>Fishing in BDO
>Sell to NPCs
>Crafting in BDO
>It's only for yourself
>B-but there is a marketplace
The same marketplace were the ingredients sell for more than the products so noone are selling the finished products
And the players can't set the prices since they are fixed.
BDO isn't bad but it's literally a singleplayer experience. Everything you do you do alone and only for yourself.
If the game had such a basic thing like player trading it would've been completely different and 10/10 but now it's just a singleplayer experience.
>>331423829
No one buys ingredients from the marketplace, what the fuck? That's why they're overpriced.
It's extremely easy to gather any ingredients you need and doing so you can absolutely sell at a profit to the marketplace.
Stop talking out of your ass
>>331423829
its a pvp game honestly
im playing with a group of irl friends
grinding is very boring
but i like looking at my waifu all the time, and getting rewards every day is satisfying but there's nothing much else to it
im getting frustrated unless i'm getting "cool things" when i play
so i guess it just boils down to that until i run out of "cool things" to get
>>331423829
Im going to have to agree that player trading would make the game alot better. Hell, let people sell shit out of the tradeing wagons would be pretty neat, just a little shop feature.
>>331424069
>there's nothing much else to it
I guess if you completely ignore 80% of the game and only grind, then yeah there's not much else to do.
>>331424040
The prices on the market is fixed
Selling finished products like fishing rods, boats and so on is completely useless since the ingredients are worth more.
Meaning that being a good crafter or someone with a lot of housing and workers dedicated to crafting is pointless except for crafting for yourself, not to other players.
As said its a complete singleplayer experience
Played a bit.
The game looks pretty, but I didn't like the systems. Plus it's korean, so it's garbage by default.
>>331424201
housing is just that
a house
fishing is just that
fishing
gathering materials is just that
gathering (you literally just press f with tools)
combat is okay, it's nothing like WHOA MAMA LOOK AT THAT (at least, after the first experience with it)
what is this magical "80%" you're talking about, anon
give me at least 10 bullet points.
>>331424069
Yeah it is a PvP game. The game is being marketed as a "PvP sandbox" game.
Everything in the game, grinding levels, grinding gear, grinding side-stuff(which generates money) is all for end-game which is PvP.
Similarly to Ragnarok Online were everything you did was to in the end do guild wars.
And the PvP is the only multiplayer experience there is in the game pretty much.
PvE is really silly, both leveling and doing bosses since when an equipment you want drops, then voila you can't trade and someone else in the party got it.
>>331424213
>The prices on the market is fixed
Except they're not. If there are 1000 of the same item on the marketplace it lowers in price. If there are 2, it rises.
>Selling finished products like fishing rods, boats and so on is completely useless since the ingredients are worth more.
NO ONE BUYS FUCKING INGREDIENTS ON THE MARKETPLACE. Are you a god damn idiot? No one buys that shit, It isn't "useless" to sell the finished product, because no on buys the fucking materials.
Stop talking out of your ass you ignorant fuck. If I build a fishing boat and sell it to the Marketplace it's not a "Singleplayer experience" because someone is going to use that boat.
Holy shit are you pretending to be retarded? I hope so
>>331424213
I heard that was to curb gold sellers and shit, which is a huge fucking problem in kmmo's.
Question for the thread: does a market price fix based on whats selling (useing some kind of algorithm) do better then a market controlled by the people (but also the scammers)?
>>331424560
this takes me back to the time when i ruined spiral knights' economy twice in a row and got banned
>>331423829
I think BDO does a great job of teaching the youth why a state run economy and price controls are terrible.
>>331424424
Bronze ingots sell for 20-30k EACH
a complete and finished thick fishing rod sells for 7-9k each.
Selling ingots and plywoods(the ingredients for fishing boat) is also worth a lot more than the fishing boat itself.
And yes people do buy these.
Maybe you're playing on KR or something but that's how it is here on EU
>>331424297
If you're going to ignore the entire crafting aspect of the game, I'm not going to bother responding to you.
It does take grinding to level up your combat leveland very little of it compared to other Korean MMOS, but the game offers things other than combat, like crafting, trading, fishing, housing, boats, horse drifting, etc.
You can easily get a hold of a 7 day trial from someone in the /vg/ thread and try it out for yourself.
It's also buy2play meaning no subscription. So if you DO like it, you can just spend $30 and play it indefinitely
>>331424661
>a minigame(?) system based around waiting for things to happen after pressing a button and combining things
yeah okay you got me there bud, more pointless waiting for things to happen
and, before you go on about workers, they're supposed to be automated, which is more "waiting for things to happen"
so you've got 80% "waiting" sim, 10% "grinding" sim, and 10% "pvp" according to you [+ my own interjections/interpretation]
>>331424424
>NO ONE BUYS FUCKING INGREDIENTS ON THE MARKETPLACE. Are you a god damn idiot? No one buys that shit
Yes they do. Just because it doesn't sell as fast as the final product doesn't mean it doesn't sell.
>>331424848
>Build 10 fishing boats and sell for 1mil each over course of 2 weeks
>Put materials for 1 fishing boat and sell for 2 mil over course of 2 weeks
GOT 'EM :^)
>>331424661
You mean the crafting aspect of the game which is completely singleplayer, relies on workers/NPCs and in the end only generates stuff that is either for money or yourself
While you could grind, reach higher levels, get good gear and become a god and own a castle.
>>331424701
Reaching lvl 50 does not really require grinding since it could be done within 10-15 hours
>>331424773
Love watching the WoW babbys get bored of the game, because they ignore majority of it.
Really shows how much of the game you ignored with how ignorant you're being about most of the game
Can't wait for you guys to quit
>>331424907
>>331424963
Great responses guys.
>Spend tons of energy and time to craft shit
>Sell for less than the ingredients
It's not like those 10 fishing boats you made would take more than 2 weeks to produce due to how the crafting works
>>331398825
>doesn't hold your hand
There is literally a tutorial for every task in the game and an ingame guide you can access anytime.
>>331425094
What am I supposed to see here? A retard that doesn't know what he's talking about?
If you gookboos love housing, farming and other fishing shit so much why not play superior housing farming games like HM, Rune factory or stardew valley?
>>331425039
this is my first mmo, you fucking dingo
Is there really a good mmorpg that people play today? I've been looking around and nothing seems to turn my crank. I want something with a community like old WoW and just overall fun combat and junk.
>>331425325
>mmos sub human
>know anything other than their subpar gook mmos
>>331425039
Yeah but really. Please tell me what is the point of this "game"
All you literally do is lie in your bed 24/7 to regen energy(And yes it requires you to be online 24/7 since you regen slower when offline)
So you then can press L, click and item and then just stand there and afk process shit
Then you tell your worker to spend 30 minutes to produce one fishing rod so you can afk-fish 24/7 to get money for what?
What are you gonna do with your fishing skill and one million gold you've gotten from afk fishing 24/7 in several weeks while being lvl 15?
>>331425527
>literally 30$ farmville
>>331425416
The only community you'll find here is if you join the PvP active guilds that have super high requirements like grinding 4 hours a day to stay up to date with your levels and gear
Because everything else in this game is singleplayer
>>331396865
Not really. It was supposed to be the successor of Lineage2 but they slaughter the game when they release it in the korean OBT.
But it has potential though.
Concerning the grind aspect of the game, it s definitively there but it is a very good thing. The retards who whine about that obviously miss the point of this activity in a mmo.
If anything it's a comfy game.
>>331425023
>does not really require grinding
I can see how you'd say that, but the quests themselves don't actually reward much XP. Most of them don't reward any, in fact. All that XP from a quest like "collect 15 tiny bee wing" comes from killing the bees.
>>331402461
Yes, when in pvp you get wrecked by level differences, 10% is huge after you reach the soft cap because you have to grind 10% more just to get on an even level
>>331425325
Talking about Stardew Valley, an indie trash game sold more fucking copies than this piece of shit.
They only sold 330,000 copies. Not even Wildstar did this fucking bad during it's release. Can't wait to play this game on F2P 3 months into the future, just like TERA.
Holy fuck, no wonder why the gookaboos are desperately shilling this piece of shit. You can't find not one MMO thread without that one faggot advertising solely this fucking turd.
>>331425705
Sure it's grindy in the way that the only way to get exp is by "grinding" monsters since quests and similar doesn't give exp
But it's not grindy in the typical Korean MMORPGs except when it comes to post 50
>>331425842
>B2P
>With a P2W cash shop
When will developers realize that you either go full nignogjew F2P or full holythinedick P2P.
>>331426140
>p2w
>You can buy costumes and a temporrary exp boost
>The exp boost can also be bought with currency earned
For other MMO's that are b2p with a cash shop, see:
All of them.
>>331426140
Its 2016 m8.
Devs knows to cater to whales
They buy the 100$ starter pack, then they spend atleast 100-500$ when the cashshop opens on extras
Then a few months later the game die, they go F2P and try to cash in the last
>>331424560
No, a free market always runs better for consumers.
Here's how it works now in BDO:
Item has low open interest, price control bracket goes up
Item has high open interest, price control bracket goes down
Problem: Low trade volume items become untradable because the bracket cannot move far enough to reflect the true price. You won't see +10 weapons selling because the current price bracket is orders of magnitude below what it costs to make the thing, and it can't move up high enough to be at a price people would be willing to sell it because the price control will only let it sell within a range of what the last one sold for, or the default when it started the server. i.e. it costs 15m to make the thing, but it can only be sold at max for 8m.
You could have a billion silver and not be able to purchase this item because no one will produce it -- because they can't be rightly compensated for the effort. Everyone ends up making their own stuff.
Even if they switched to a free market it wouldn't be a huge boon though, because there are multiple layers of price controls in the shape of a binding price floor through the vendors. A special sunflower sells for 986 silver, if you setup a large farm system you can generate about 1200~ or so of these a day playing the game for 10 minutes twice a day running up to each plant and harvesting/breeding. If you fish between harvest time, add another 200k in fish. You are basically afk generating a set amount of money which is comparable to playing the game in combat actively for several hours. If they allowed the market to run free, everything farmable while afk would sink down to vendor prices, and everything else would skyrocket at the high inflation rate of how much silver is constantly being injected into the game through the vendors. You can't talk economics without scarcity of resources.
I'm level 53 without a guild or friends. Send help.
I didn't think the game was out already.
I'm surprised there weren't more shilling or telling how shit the game was.
Brb buying it for30 euros
>>331426395
My friend told me pets are crucial. And that the stats on pets are random. And that you can literally spend hundreds of dollars on a single pet just trying to get good stats. He also told me about costumes having stats and that one costume in particular hides your nameplate or whatever.
>>331425842
>They only sold 330,000 copies
I'm not surprised.
I found out about the game through threads like these. I found out about the betas through threads like these. I only found out it was released days late because of threads like these. None of my friends who were interested in it knew it was out either, They did a shit job getting the word out
>>331426606
The thing about pets is straight up wrong.
>know 3 people that bought the 100bux package
>they all have quit already
And yet I'll still get shit from them for being "a sourpuss that hates everything"
>>331426606
>Pets are crucial
If I'm correct (because I actually play the game, not 'a friend', and never bought a pet) they just pick up items for you and have the ability to mark rare enemies.
>Hideing nameplate
Thats actually a toggle button in character screen. Also the game has items that reveal hidden players with that on. I guess going actual stealth, without your name in huge letters above your head, is really tough for some people to cope with.
>>331426485
The worst part is that the game has so much singleplayer and AFK content like afk fishing which can(at higher levels) generate millions of silver per turn. Even basic afk fishing will give you a few million a day while active fishing will give you 5-10 million a day.
And this is purely singleplayer since you don't have to interact with any other players while doing this nor do you sell to players, you sell to NPCs.
This means that everyone can easily get money without interacting with other players
While other players are forced to sell end-game gear at a fixed price that everyone that AFK fish can afford.
Anyone has a guest pass to give? I enjoyed walking around in the private server that spawned back in 2014 and got taken down.
>>331426551
I'd help, if you send that guest pass my way senpai~
>>331405035
What is the least played class between
Warrior/Berzerker/Wizard ?
I wan't to play one that isn't played by every fucking one (I guess all the female classes will be overpicked anyway)
>>331398825
atleast the other shills try to be subtle.
>>331406090
>>WPvP is heavily punished
This is the only problem, really.
And if you do that wrong, your whole game is fucked.
>>331427086
[email protected] btw
>>331427225
I dont see alot of male classes in general. I play wizard and its fucking rad with all the lightning effects and explosions. I hear warrior gets kind of boring, and berzerker seems fun, though its grabs are buggy I hear.
>>331427410
Doesn't the warrior have grabs too? I want to grab THICK legs around.
Berzerker seem very "smashy" repetitive and doesn't have much mobility.
Didn't read much about wiz.. oh well I'll decide on character creation
