What are some other examples of video game mechanics that were reviled when they first appeared but are now the norm?
inverted y-axis
>>331395018
Winback on n64 had cover based 3rd person shooting way before it became common
Nearly everything that Halo did
>>331395148
Yeah that's definitely the norm now.
>>331395438
Winback and Killswitch both predate Gears of War by years, almost a decade in Winback's case, and they still get absolutely no credit
It doesn't help that Gears 1 is objectively better than both, but still
>>331395438
>N64
Thank god, someone else who wasn't a PS2 port fag.
>>331395018
how was it done before this
>Playing an fps with an controller
It shouldn't be the norm. It's retarded.
>>331395690
Left stick would control both axis of movement, or you didnt play an FPS on a console.
>>331395680
Don't forget about The Getaway, first game I ever saw use blindfire from cover
And MGS2 had some significant cover shooter elements
>>331395573
What the fuck did Halo even do that wasn't done before?
>>331395823
Halo
>>331395680
I seem to remember a good chunk of Killswitch's marketing being that you could actually use cover.
>>331395792
MGS2 didn't have a cover system. What are you talking about. It did have leaning but that's how it should be done.
>>331395823
dedicated grenade button on consoles, thanks in part to xbox's weird 2 extra buttons black and white
>>331395870
having cover shooter elements doesn't make it a cover shooter, dongus. if we're going to pretend that leaning around a corner that you are using for cover and then proceeding to either move from it to a different piece of cover or to free movement in a hallway is not elements commonly seen in cover shooters then you're just being pedantic
>>331395690
I remember on some early games you had to hold down an aim button if you wanted to look up or down.
Goldeneye and Timesplitters used this scheme.
Vietcong was apparently the first game that had iron sights give better accuracy than not using them.
>>331396006
Leaning around corners is completely different to have sticky cover. I'm not even sure how many people would have used the leaning anyway. I never really saw any reason to with how many times I've played the game.
>>331395681
Is Winback worth playing? A store near me is selling it for $2.
>>331395823
2 weapon limit
>>331395823
first person shooting
>>331396360
If you like games that feel like an old school action movie, then yes.
>>331395690
How old are you?
>>331395018
Regenerating health.
Half life
No cutscenes, only scripted events and characters. The ability of NPC's to heal you without specific order.
>>331395018
DRM. I've seen faggots here actually defend it whether it's Denuvo or always-online. I seriously hope they're just shitposting but you never know.
>>331395690
It was basically a crapshoot until dual analog sticks became the norm. Some N64 games came close to this setup, using the joystick for aim freely and the yellow C-buttons to move in all directions.
>>331396986
That's no mechanic ya moron
>>331395823
Warthog.
>>331395823
Halo is the legitimate grandfather of modern shooting cancer
>>331395823
Was Halo the first to do the regenerating health meme?
>>331395823
Vehicles in a first person shooter.
>>331395018
Using ctrl to crouch. Toggle crouch.
I still hate them both.
Hold C, like it was done in better days.
>>331397554
it really isn't
all it did was use a sensible control layout that became a standard
the rest was just a mediocre copy from games like UT and quake
>>331397792
It's not regenerating health, it's regenerating shield.
Learn the difference, it could save your life
>>331395690
D-pad moves like arrow keys. Back, forward and turning. Strafing would either be a toggle or done with shoulder buttons like L and R on the SNES controller. Analogue sticks weren't much of a thing yet.
>>331396258
story of pic ?
>>331397857
On PC this isn't an issue since most games have both. What finger do you use to press the key though? Unless it's your thumb I don't see how you'd be able to move at the same time. And I think it's awkward. I agree about ctrl though. Not sure whose idea that was initially. That's even worse than holding c. I usually use toggle crouch and bind it to x.
>>331397857
>Hold C to crouch
>Can't move right as efficiently
>Hold Control
>Movement not impaired at all unless you have baby hands
>>331397835
Red faction and Gunman Chronicles had halo beaten by years.
The only thing that halo did first was having GUI elements as part of the game environment, ie, your actual gun has a readout showing how many bullets you have left.
Also, halo was boring.
>>331395690
in Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, (considered by many to be the best console FPS of their time)
analog stick moved your forward / back and turned you left / right. you couldn't strafe left/right as far as I can remember,
up C and down C made you look up / down.
you very very rarely, if ever needed to look up/down. most everything was flatground, and things that were up or down a little bit it would auto aim up/down for them.
>>331395680
>GEARS OF WAR
>OBJECTIVELY BETTER
>THAN
>ANYTHING
lel (loving every laugh)
>>331398231
Have you played Winback?
>>331398128
Alt to Crouch, Space to Jump. This was the only way I could do boosted jumps on Half Life Death Match and it kind of stuck.
Use key on the other hand, who else is a member of the 'F' master race? (occasionally 'E')
>>331397879
>UT, Quake, extremely fast arena shooters with more then two weapons and no regenerating health
>Halo, two weapons, regenerating health and extremely slow player movement so any brain dead retard can kill anyone
>implying any of this copied from UT or QUAKE
It's posts like that, which confirm kiddies that grew up with Halo are the cancer
>>331395018
wasd
>>331398231
I find the first three games to be the best third person shooters of all time. To me they perfected the fun appeal a third person shooter can be. They are basically an example of the genre perfected pretty much.
The weapons are very powerful feeling. Especially the power weapons. The chainsaw is fun but could have been better with more executions for it.
Honestly I feel the only reason /v/ doesn't really like the series much is because it is Xbox/Microsoft exclusive series.
>kiddies that grew up with Halo are the cancer
You sir, are correct.
Halo had shit weapons too. And cartoon baddies.
>>331396034
Metroid Prime 1 and 2 did the same thing.
>>331398395
How old are you?
>>331395018
Didn't Medal of Honor have that control scheme?
>>331398386
>wasd
>not wads
you're crazy
>>331398331
He's right though. Halo may be cancer but there's no other shooter that is more comparable to it than UT/Quake. Just because it has regen shield and two weapon limit doesn't mean there aren't any parallels
>>331398317
E, always E. F if there's a flashlight because I like the alliteration.
>>331398049
>What finger do you use to press the key though?
That depends on my needs. If I need to use the D key then obviously I will use my thumb. If I'm just ducking for a while it'll be the index finger. Keys don't have to be bound to specific fingers.
>>331396806
>>331398205
you could strafe with the C buttons left and right. It wasn't at all useful because of the player and enemy aiming mechanics.
>>331398470
What TPS' do you find oh so better, Mr. Village Elder? Jet Force Gemini? RE4? Please.
>>331398560
It just seems way more awkward to me to do it that way. And I've never come across a situation that would require uncrouching quicker than toggle crouch would allow. We probably play different games though.
>>331398548
Much the same way that a kiddie's bike with little pink training wheels resembles a Harley in basic form.
>>331398021
Old meme. Google it.
>>331398623
I notice you've avoided answering the question.
>>331398395
>Best third person shooters of all time
Calm down son.
>>331398564
Don't laugh, he's older than the average /v/irgin nowdays
Wasn't Ape Escape that made dual stick playing popular? Or atleast first one what did it right.
>>331398317
F OR SPACE USE KEY MASTER RACE REPORTING
>>331398470
Reminder that the first Gears of War came out a decade ago, making it only three years younger than 4chan itself, and meaning anons old enough to buy it when it came out would be about 27 now.
>>331398154
I'm pretty sure games did ammo showing on your gun before Halo but I can't think of any specifically.
>>331398557
T for Torch.
I used to be obsesive about reconfigering every game to my preferences but i find that as long as the basic movements are set to WASD, ALT & SPACE, I can quickly adapt to the other keys in a new setting.
Also, middle mouse for grenade, thumb button for melee. And sniper button for map, oddly.
>>331398683
I noticed you've avoided answering mine.
Tell us what are your top TPS games? Don't be a bitch.
>>331398395
The first one was fun for the time, I didn't play the others in the series.
It is covershooter-the game,
There are much better games FPS.
CS1.6, BLACK, F.E.A.R, TimeSplitters 2, Halo 1,
>>331398606
I guess I never used it, I had over 600 hours logged on Perfect Dark multiplayer.
>>331398623
I forgot Gears is TPS not FPS,
the newest Max Payne game is my favorite TPS by far, it's pretty amazing, you should give it a play if you haven't yet.
I can't really think of any other GREAT TPS atm, Red Faction was pretty good, had good squad mechanics. But I'd say it's about on the same level as Gears
It's bugging me that I can't think of any other great Third Person Shooters, can some helpful anons help me out by listing some?
Not sure if it was the first, but killzone 1 had a sprint button. I don't remmber any FPS at the time having that.
>>331398648
It's more like a kiddie's bike with training wheels compared to a performance grade speed bike used in competition
Halo is a causalised rip off of UT made for console controls.
>>331398791
I hope so because Halo is so revered despite being such an overrated and insipid game and I would like to think that it added nothing positive to gaming.
Fucking warthog controls were terrible as well; mouse to steer? idiots.
>>331398395
This.
Gears of War 1/2 and Resident Evil 4 make up the three best and most influential TPS games of all time.
You can't find a single TPS today that isn't influenced by those three.
The people who don't like GOW and downplay its influence are just anti-Xboxfags.
>>331398331
I don't get this kind of thing
Everyone has multiple lives, should why should a guy who beat you 1v1 have to run away to some area to get his lost health back?
As far as I'm concerned, I want every encounter to be a fair one
>>331398952
Fucking Doom had a sprint button but that info seems to have been lost to revisionism.
>>331398958
I was exagerating for comic effect, eugene.
>>331395690
QWES on the stick/d-pad and strafing buttons if you were lucky.
If enemies weren't all at eye-level, you'd have autoaim like in Goldeneye.
It was the next best control scheme to keyboard+mouse. But if you had those kinds of peripherals, you were better off going mustard race since console shooters were mostly shit until N64 came out.
>>331398770
F is only good for use key when E is right tilt / Q is left tilt. Space should always be jump.
Arma gets a free pass on the whole "Space to Jump" thing, for realism reasons, people rarely jump irl, even during firefights, when was the last time you jumped?
Arma has V for Vault, which I wish Space was used for, no need for m3 and space to do the same thing.
>>331398959
>Fucking warthog controls were terrible as well; mouse to steer? idiots.
It was designed for analog sticks on a console controller.
>>331398910
Binary Domain, Vanquish, and maybe Dead Space 2 if you aren't turned off by the lack of horror.
>>331395823
Only holding 2 weps.
Fun fact: I can't aim with my right thumb, it's *gotta be* the left one, and I'm not even a lefty. That means I can't play games that won't let you change the stick layout and there's a surprisingly large amount of them. What the fuck, consoles? Thank god the era of console exclusive shooters is almost over!
>>331399064
Which would be fine if you weren't in the middle of an argument denying Halo was a heavily influenced ripoff of UT/Quake, which it is (albeit casualized)
Anyone who thinks Halo wasn't good, and Half-Life didn't start the real fps sickness that it over-reliance cinematic bullshit at gameplay's expence is a fucking retard.
Look at the original cover.
>Biggest selling point is the story.
>1 point for the AI being capable of throwing grenades (the cover fire thing isn't actually in the AI)
>muh immersion
>muh cinematism
>level editor
>we have a tutorial level
>>331398829
>WASD
>not WADS
you're crazy
>>331399039
>Resident Evil 4
I played this up until the first quick time event, which I had never really seen used that way before. I found it so jarring that I pressed ALT+F4, uninstalled it, deleted the pirate ISO and have never, ever tried to play it again.
Also, resident evil games should have stuck to being survival horror puzzle games.
Don't even get me started on the horrific clusterfuck that was resident evil 6.
Quite liked 5 though, so go figure.
>>331398837
Virtual-On
Armored Core Last Raven
Vanquish
>>331395823
REGENERATING HEALTH
THANKS HALO
Subtitles
>>331399285
Vanquish fucking sucks
>"fast-paced" game with analog stick aim and SILKY SMOOTH 20fps
>>331399213
Just hold the controller upside down
>>331399261
>which I had never really seen used that way before
Didn't Shenmue use QTEs before RE4?
But yeah, RE4 definitely was the one that popularized those types of QTEs, even though it wasn't the first.
>>331396986
Denuvo is the first to get it right though
Stops pirates from playing the game while being largely invisible and unobtrusive to the legitimate end user
Denuvo is literally what people have been saying DRM should be for years now
>>331399261
you sound like an irrational fuck
>>331399334
absolutely ebin, now how about that age, kid?
>>331399246
It's a keyboard layout, not a Doom map.
>>331399246
You silly,
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What kind of fucked-up dyslexia motherfucker keyboard do you have?
>>331398952
CoD:UO had sprint.
>>331399159
oooo fuck yeah, Binary Domain is amazing.
forgot about that one, it's so satisfying shooting those robots, and the boss fights were pretty fun.
never played Vanquish, would you recommend it?
also, never played Dead Space, I played the prequel, but it's a rail-shooter. It's actually an amazing rail shooter for 2 people if you can get a lightgun setup for it.
also, all of the Max Payne games are great TPS
and some of the Hitman games are pretty good, some aren't, don't remember which is which in the series
>>331399395
I'm not the underageb& who thinks armored core and vanquish are better TPS than Gears. You're literally scraping the bottom of the barrel with that one kid.
>>331399410
You only sprinted for like half a second though.
>>331399371
Never played shenmue but if it introduced the world to QTE's in action games, fuck it, fuck it's fat fucking face, fuck it to death and piss on it's mothers stinky corpse.
>>331395148
>>331395613
>Y-axis
WHO /Y-AXIS/ HERE?
>>331399261
>Quite liked 5 though, so go figure.
5 was literally a worse version of 4 lmao
>>331399371
yes, and Shenmue wasn't even the first game to use QTEs
Shenmue is the game that coined the name QTE
>>331396034
and it was bad
>>331399390
You seem rude.
>>331399502
Literally how a kid would respond.
>>331399453
oh fuck, how could I forget about Armored Core,
I wouldn't really consider it a TPS, because it's a mech combat game, which I consider a genre of its own.
but if you consider it to be a TPS, then it's miles better than Gear series
>>331398317
>>331398128
>>331397857
ctrl always crouch. jump always space. you people disgust me
ITT: People who didn't play fps before late 90s and even the just the mainstream titles arguing about how fps design developed
>>331399535
I am a complex soul.
>>331398952
Day of Defeat also had sprint button, and was before killzone
>>331398231
>because i dont like what something is means itS ACTUALLY OBJECTIVELY BAD!
>>331399639
>ITT: People who didn't play fps before late 90s
You mean back when they were called Doom clones.
>>331399442
You should definitely play Vanquish.
Dead Space is cool too, but EA went full action with the second game, which I honestly think worked out for the better.
Also, that 50 cent game was fun in a shitty b movie way. Worth getting for cheap if you can.
>>331399509
If the developers of Shenmue and Resident Evil 4 knew just how negative of an influence QTEs would be, I'm sure they wouldn't have included them in their games.
Nobody can really tell what kind of influence their mechanics would have. They were trying new things. They certainly weren't trying to destroy gaming.
I think Shinji Mikami even said in an interview prior to the release of The Evil Within that he himself has gotten tired of seeing QTEs in videogames and wanted to tone down on the inclusion of QTEs in gaming.
>>331399598
I think kids are more likely to play the "WHERE'S YOUR LIST" "LOL THAT'S ALL SHIT" game.
Well, that game, and Gears.
>>331399621
Are you mad?, You expet me to reach all the way down there with my pinky, the fucking runt of my hand? When my big-ass muscly thumb is just hovering over alt?
That's fucking crazy talk.
>>331395018
I still revile playing FPS on a controller
its fucking unnatural
>>331399509
>>331399261
whats it like having horrible opinions?
>>331399618
>but if you consider it to be a TPS, then it's miles better than Gear series
So you've never played Gears before. Got it.
>>331398231
can these retards leave the board please?
>>331399509
Shenmue is a great game, top 20 of all time for me.
It's not really an action game, it does have action sections, that play more like a beat-em-up, and during key points in cutscenes it had QTE's which was new and refreshing at the time. It was pretty great to be honest, but now that it's used in so many games, it's become mundane and boring.
>>331399731
>"LOL THAT'S ALL SHIT" game.
You mean like you did with Gears, kid.
>>331399789
I played Gears 1 on hardest difficulty co-op with my older brother when it came out.
it doesn't compare to the balls to the wall all out action you get from Armored Core.
>>331399712
>The Evil Within
Fuck me, I could rant for about 10,000 words on what was horrible about that game.
I looked beautiful though but so tedious to play.
As far as QTEs go, how could anyone think it's a great idea to break a games flow and immersion with a piece of shit cut-scene that you need to play simon-says with to get back to the fun.
>>331399772
Grow up, grandpa.
I don't get this Gears love. It was an alright game with some cool weapons, never thought it was anything special.
Unless this is love for the retardedly broken multiplayer. Wall bouncing shotguns isn't fun.
>>331399996
Have you ever played an FPS with a mouse?
>>331395018
You know, as much shit flinging as there is in this thread, I appreciate the subject of the thread itself.
It's refreshing to talk about the history of games from before the PS3/360 generation, because most of /v/ seems to only discuss games from the PS3/360 generation or after that generation.
>>331399859
I never did that, I think the games are okay, but calling them the BEST TPS ALL TIME like you did sets off underage alarms.
>>331396034
Timesplitters had that by default, but you could also completely customize the controls.
My uncle is used to the default, and I used to wreck his shit at timesplitters on ps2 because I grew up with the halo control scheme.
>>331395719
shut up faggot, that's not even the conversation that we are having.
Fucking PC fags ruin all conversations.
>>331399693
They were called mostly shooters. Doom-clone was just a buzzword thrown around to note that this game seems to be trying to do the Doom-thing.
Notice that massive spike at 98? Half-Life. Wouldn't be too surprised if Valve was the one to spam the genre title to differentiate themselves. HL's story-focus was a natural development but so was every accessibility-centric, watered-down mechanic cawadoodie did. Half-Life made fps more accessible, that's the only reason why it succeeded, no different from Cawadoodie.
>>331399062
>revisionism
stop memeing words you heard on /pol/. No one is finding them funny.
>>331400053
not him, but I agree with you, there are better TPS out there, but I doubt he's played any of them.
Gears is probably in the list of under 100 games he's played, since he's most likely under 18. So he doesn't know any better. just because it's the best out of the ones he played he thinks it's the best of all time.
>>331399832
> QTE's which was new and refreshing
>>331398386
Who the hell thought that using those keys would be good? It's retarded as fuck.
>>331398475
wasd is in the order of the keys, faggot
>>331400187
we must remember 2000 / 2001 very differently
>>331398231
This.
If it ain't on nintendo console it's shit.
>>331400187
it was a widely advertised feature of the game that people found interesting you underage faggot
even RE4 had a ton of coverage focused on its then-unique usage of QTEs during fast-paced combat
>>331399712
Dunno about RE4 but I doubt Yu Suzuki would have changed anything about Shenmue if he knew about how other developers would end up using QTEs. It actually makes sense in the context of Shenmue, Suzuki was going for a simulation with the FREE system and all of that. Plus the fact that the combat system is basically a slightly cut down version of Virtua Fighter proves beyond a doubt he cared about the gameplay.
>>331399509
>>331399987
>Never played shenmue
It shows.
RE4 is like the only game that did QTEs right
>>331400187
Hindsight is 20/20
>>331400228
but how do you say wasd, when spoken, out loud?
my point exactly.
wads sounds better.
you're crazy
>>331398231
>(loving every laugh)
>>331395823
Real-time weapon change
>>331399769
What the fuck is wrong with your hands that your thumb is hovering over alt
>12 years old
oh, it's because you have child hands. Right, sorry
>>331399542
If you want to be technical Dragon's Lair could be considered the grand-daddy of all QTEs. The entire game is nothing but hitting buttons at the right moment during a cutscene.
>>331400172
>revisionism is a memeword
How old are you?
>>331400546
>not saying "nice revisionism"
blew it
>he doesn't push V to jump
what's wrong with you?
>>331395823
Regenerating health/sheild/w.e.
2 weapon limit
Halo 2 was the first console shooter with an online multiplayer focus
The big "firsts" were more to make shooters enjoyable by casuals using a controller. I guess you could say Golden Eye was the first game to truly adapt a FPS to a controller and make it usable, but Halo sure as FUCK "perfected" that shit. 1 single weapon that requires precise aiming in the sniper rifle, everything else has a fat ass cone of fire and snap-to autoaim. Enemys have large hitboxes and stand still out in the open for large chunks of time, "balanced" by bullet spongeyness. Enemy faction just-so-happens to use slow moving, dodgeable projectile weapons. Ally faction just-so-happens to use hitscan weapons. Grenades are lethal as fuck for a number of reasons. Slow moving enemies, they're crazy plentiful, and the god damn stickies, well, stick.
Basically, Halo made FPS games work on consoles by making aiming an entirely optional mechanic.
>>331398317
>Alt to Crouch, Space to Jump.
post a picture of your hand on the keyboard right now
>>331400053
>I never did that, I
And neither did I. Go ahead and quote me where I said "LOL THAT'S ALL SHIT" in response to your reaching list.
All of your responses including the LEL OBJECTIVE post set off underage alarms and shows you havent' actually played the games you're talking about
>>331400182
>there are better TPS out there
And yet none of you were able to mention a single one that wasn't Max Payne. You retards were literally namedroping FPS and mech games.
>Gears is probably in the list of under 100 games he's played, since he's most likely under 18.
Gears came out over a decade ago you retard >>331398775
>So he doesn't know any better. just because it's the best out of the ones he played he thinks it's the best of all time.
Pot calling the kettle black. Stop projecting.
>>331399245
How can you hate HL for those reasons, but say disliking Halo is retarded?
>>331399987
At least one person thought that was the greatest idea.
>>331396754
I'm 18 and not a 25 year old virgin like you who spends every day looking in front of a computer.
>>331397792
First FPS with regenerating health that comes to mind is Serious Sam, of all things, but only on the easiest difficulty setting.
>>331400682
I do this on some games. Makes crouch jumping really easy. I just teeter my thumb between the space and alt key. Think multishines in Melee.
>>331400546I'm 25, I'm a historian and listening to a bunch of 15 year olds spouting words like revisionism is so depressing.Why doesn't your generation has music for you that keeps you busy? Back in my day we had Nu metal so edgy kids like you would listen it to it all day instead of shitting people's days.
>>331400854
vaporwave is the big thing now
>>331399639
my first shooter was Turok, released in 1997 and that was literally one of the first forays into adapting fps into consoles and you are just assuming shit, typical high and mighty actitude coming from a fucking undertale poster
>>331400532
yes, I would consider it the grandfather of QTE's,
I didn't say Shenmue was the first,
>>331395823
Halo combined all the good ideas from games in the past, and put them together in a really good way. Absolutely revolutionary controls, design, graphics, scope, story, etc. when it came out.
It seems less impressive now because everyone's used to it, but when all you had before was perfect dark, goldeneye, timesplitters, unreal, and quake, it was absolutely amazing.
It was never any one thing Halo did right. It was everything. The combination of expansive level design with good AI, varied and interesting weapons, an intuitive control scheme full of alternative options, lan-based multiplayer, very nice graphics, dedicated melee and grenade buttons, regenerating health to reset engagements, an engaging plot with captivating characters and good voice actors, a multitude of vehicles to choose from, with almost seamless loading throughout the maps, and didn't take itself too seriously with plenty of in-jokes and easter eggs for the fans
There was a SHIT TON of things Halo did good that other games were hit/miss on. Halo didn't have to be first at implementing any one of these things, but halo was absolutely the first at implementing ALL of them in such a well-lubed up fashion.
I'll never forget the first time I landed on Halo in the second level. The game went from "7/10 this is alright" to "9/10 damn, this is really something." especially when I ran into the first group of marines and they started cracking jokes, and then it only got better from then on: Getting the warthog from foehammer and tearing through a gigantic underground structure, then rescuing other lifeboats in whatever way I wanted.
Seriously, Halo deserves all the praise it gets.
>>331399987
Aw, too bad the Evil Within was a good game. Sucks for you.
>>331400741
Because Halo had actually good AI, thought-out gameplay mechanics and didn't sacrifice flow for story bullshit.
>>331400776
That game was so fucking stupid.
>>331399935
>Playing Gears for the campaign
Competative multiplayer is literally what makes the game. The reason why 80% of the people get it is because of the multiplayer. It's competitive like a fighting game because like in a fighting game, when you get outplayed in gears of war you get outplayed.
The fact that you need to resort to using ARMORED CORE to argue that Gears is a terrible TPS just proves your desperation and lack of knowledge or experience with this genre.
>>331400776
dat was a fun game tho
I liked it at least
![lGiX9Fr[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/FJLBEX6.png "lGiX9Fr[1].png")
>>331400948
>>331401035
>and didn't sacrifice flow for story bullshit.
The Library says hello
>>331400734
>Go ahead and quote me where I said "LOL THAT'S ALL SHIT" in response to your reaching list.
>>331399334
>Vanquish fucking sucks
>>331399453
>You're literally scraping the bottom of the barrel
>but I didn't say shit
It's paraphrasing you faggot.
>>there are better TPS out there
>And yet none of you were able to mention a single one that wasn't Max Payne.
Various better TPS have been mentioned. You just have a different opinion.
>mech games
Why should featuring mecha disqualify them from being better TPS?
>>331401081
it's fun in a its so bad its good way
>>331400854
>15 year olds spouting words like revisionism
Its literally the first time I've seen a retard incorrectly using that word m8.
>>331401148
Library had basically no story in it
The entire level's a throwback to doom-era run-and-gun where all you do is shoot and shoot and shoot and there's almost no thinking involved.
A lot of people don't like the library because it was difficult and it was long, but I loved it because it was just pure carnage and gameplay after tons of more serious story exposition. It was basically a cool-down filler level between the storyboard acts.
Basically, the library is the exact opposite of what you think it was.
>>331401035
>didn't sacrifice flow for story bullshit.
The ENTIRE SECOND HALF OF THE GAME was going through every level backwards just to pad out the story.
>>331401259
>Basically, the library is the exact opposite of what you think it was.
The irony here is earth shattering. You have an extremely skewed memory of how Halo CE played like
>>331400023
>Biggest FPS games in the world all thrive on PC
ok kid
>>331397857
>>331399621
>hold Ctrl to crouch
>C toggles crouch
>space jumps
>shift sprints
>x toggles prone
Every FPS should have it like this
>>331400376
Double U A Es Dee
>>331398475
>not qwes
>>331401215I've seen it many times before, together with other terms like red pilling. It's so annoying
>>331395018
>norm
Maybe on devices that don't have mouse and keyboard, enjoy your assist aim.
>>331401352
That's true though.
>>331397792
Halo did not have regenerating health, it had regenerating energy shields
It was actually pretty fucking neat and provided quite a bit of depth to the gameplay - you could go with plasma weapons which would fuck up enemy shields, but do a lot less to the health pool, or use the ballistic weapons which wouldn't do much to shields, but once the shield was down you could absolutely shred someone
That's why GREEN SHIT became so popular, especially in Halo 2 - you could take down the shields with a charged plasma pistol, then switch to a rifle and eliminate the health pool before the shields had a chance of coming back
Though in Halo CE most fights were "shoot them in the head with the pistol because it's hilariously unbalanced"
CE was actually a lot of fun on the PC and I genuinely believe that the Halo series in general would not be so looked down upon if they hadn't held it hostage on the consoles
It had some great mods and a really good community in general
>>331401352
>controller
>for an fps
disgusting plebshit
mobile gaming is bigger than consoles, too
clash of clans is literally as big as playstation
is clash legit now?
>>331401268
>was going through every level backwards just to pad out the story.
Only two betrayals
A little bit in Keyes and the Maw, but both those levels also introduced a ton of new areas to explore through.
Only two betrayals was more or less a straight copy of where you'd fought before, and they still spiced it up with how all the new engagements played out with the introduction of the flood and a variety of new vehicles to use, like the banshee.
>>331401156
>one game from your list fucking sucks
>"LOL THAT'S ALL SHIT"
Paraphrasing my ass. Not a single better TPS was mentioned aside from Max Payne. You faggots are namedropping Armored Core and 50 CENT BLOOD ON THE SAND as better TPS than Gears of War. I can't decide what's worse, your shitty reading comprehension or your fucking garbage taste. Your opinion is trash.
>Why should featuring mecha disqualify them from being better TPS?
Yes because Armored Core is totally a TPS comparable to Gears of War and Max Payne. Stop posting retard.
>>331398128
so change it to 'press c to crouch/stand' you fag
>>331395823
FPS
>>331400854
>I'm 25, I'm a historian
That's even more embarrasing considering he used the term correctly.
>so edgy kids like you
>edgy
And you're accusing other people of memeing words?
>>331395018
Combining Diablo-style loot grinding with first or third-person shooting. Hellgate was universally panned, yet Borderlands, Destiny and The Division all sell millions.
>>331400854
How's that waste of a degree champ, or you one of them wikipedia surfing cats?
>>331401539
>Paraphrasing my ass
No, I paraphrased your posts.
>Yes because Armored Core is totally a TPS
Yes.
>comparable to Gears of War and Max Payne
Why does it need to be comparable?
>>331397792
halo CE was a hybrid, it had shields, but a weak one, and once it was down you would have health that would not regenerate which you would need to find health packs in the level in order to heal up.
>>331401410
>Maybe on devices that don't have mouse and keyboard, enjoy your assist aim.
I feel like you wanted to make a big Fuck You to console shooters, but overlooked the fact that every 3D game has that set-up. So your big Fuck You came off more like
>Fuck me I am such a goddamn idiot, how can one man be so retarded?
>>331400119
went from 0 to butt blasted real quick on that one.
>>331401771
Why does AC need to be comparable in an argument why it's a better TPS than Gears? Now you're just being obtuse for the sake of argument
You paraphrased jack shit retard. Fuck off.
>>331400119
Seeing as Consoletards ruined the shooter genre beyond repair, it's a fair trade off.
>>331396950
That shit was neat back in the day but it's just annoying now. I'd rather just skip the cutscene and wait however long it takes for the next section of gameplay to load, that's usually shorter than the cutscene.
>>331401354
>prone
Shit feature. Get rid of it.
>shift sprints
Again, sprint is a terrible mechanic and shift is my rocket launcher key.
>>331399769
How tiny are your hands? Or do you just have stubby fat fingers.
I have slender pianist fingers, designed to reach keys. You must have stumpy little digits, designed to stick up your nose.
>>331401713
I remember that game. I also remember seemingly having a horribly mismanaged dev cycle which is probably the main reason the game bombed so hard.
>>331400812
>t. anon on /v/
>>331400948
This is true in-so-far as console shooters go.
It was a departure from the PC-era shooters, and that has alienated that fan-base.
But you are right. It definitely hit the right notes with the soundtrack, story, level design, control scheme, multiplayer, and even the vehicles felt good. IT was a sum of it's whole, and it's hard to grasp that in retrospect unless you remember what the market was like when it dropped.
>>331401645
>correctly
No he didn't. Ok, this will get out of hand so this is going to be the last past. To be a revision first, there needs to be an established idea first. When that idea gets rejected over another set of values and people try to see things on another perspective then that's just revisionism.
To say that Doom's sprint button was forgotten because "revisionism" is completely stupid. If what he was saying is right then people would've covered the fact that Doom had a running button in a new perspective of video game interpretation, but it wasn't, it was just forgotten, you twat. Now sod off.
>>331401879
Do you disagree that Armored Core is a third person shooter?
No, right?
Then why does the gameplay need to be similar to Gears for it to be a better third person shooter than Gears?
I want you to explain why a TPS isn't a TPS if it isn't similar to another TPS.
Halo CE on PC with the custom maps was a hell of a memorable time.
Halo 2 on PC was ground-breaking at the time. That game not only single handedly sealed the deal on the Xbox(If Halo was the one to put it on the map, then Halo 2 solidified the Xbox franchise), but it also paved the way almost entirely for how Microsoft built their Xbox. From the Xbox Live mechanics to the Xbox 360 interface. Just about everything pulled the designs from Halo 2 at it's heart.
It was good times.
Halo 3 was a shit.
>>331402057
>this is going to be the last past
TIME STOPS HERE FOLKS, BRACE YOURSELVES
>>331402076
Do you disagree that Portal is a First person shooter?
No, right?
Then why does the gameplay need to be similar to TimeSplitters 2 or F.E.A.R
for it to be a better first person shooter than TimeSplitters 2 or F.E.A.R?
I want you to explain why a FPS isn't a FPS if it isn't similar to another FPS.This is literally how fucking retarded you sound right now
>>331395018
2001
Lowest settings/ Low settings/ Medium settings/ High settings
2016
Medium/High/Ultra/SUPERGIGAMEGA ULTRA
>>331402204
Portal isn't a shooter. Your comparison is garbage and you should kill yourself after you admit I'm right.
The only thing I can think of is Z-Targeting from LoZ: Ocarina of Time.
>>331402301
Z-targeting was reviled when it was new?
>>331395823
>What the fuck did Halo even do that wasn't done before?
Nothing.
>>331402361
Fuck no, everyone loved it, that anon is just buttblasted that it wasn't a top-down Zelda game
>>331402361
isn't it funny?
>>331402361
It was a pain in the ass and buggy as fuck in ocarina of time
>>331402289
Explain why Portal isn't a first person shooter. Why does the gameplay need to be similar to TimeSplitters 2 or F.E.A.R
for it to be a better first person shooter than TimeSplitters 2 or F.E.A.R?
Your original argument is garbage and you should kill yourself after you admit you're retarded
>>331402361
even back then no one could be happy.
just like these two spergs debating about portal.
>>331402289
Not even that anon, but hol up. It's not an FPS? You shoot portals, it's first person. You can even use HL2 console command to give yourself guns from HL2. Use can even spawn enemy models to shoot with said guns.
>>331402460
>>331402472
Going to need evidence of people at the time hating it, because that isn't how I remember things at all.
>>331402263
>2001
>Lowest settings/ Low settings/ Medium settings/ High settings
>2016
>only resolution & AA on/off
ftfy
>>331401268
what anon said here>>331401509
It was done in a very clever way to make players feel comfortable with their knowledge of the level, while completely changing the way engagements were handled.
>>331402540
egoraptor hated it and that's all that matters because i am a retard
>>331402493
>Explain why Portal isn't a first person shooter.
It's first person, but not a shooter, therefore it isn't a first person shooter.
I don't know how you expect me to dumb this down anymore for you.
>>331402539
You're talking to someone who thinks 50 Cent blood on the sand is a good TPS
>>331402493
by your dumb fucking logic a WWII flight simulator with a first person cockpit view is a first person shooter
>>331402701
Hey hol up too anon, how is 50 cent blood not a good TPS? How about you explain your reasoning instead of "IT'S BAD TPS GUYS, TRUST ME".
>>331402765
Hey hol up too anon, how is 50 cent blood not a bad TPS? How about you explain your reasoning instead of "IT'S GOOD TPS GUYS, TRUST ME".
>>331402809
Hey hol up too anon, how is 50 cent blood not a bad TPS? How about you explain your reasoning instead of "IT'S GOOD TPS GUYS, TRUST ME".
>>331395018
Oh hey, I own this game. It's kinda shitty control wise since it felt really stiff moving, while aiming wasn't as free as it would be in fps' before it and after (e.g. Halo). Turning was incredibly sensitive too, to the point where aiming at the aliens was a pain in the ass, especially if you had to deal with facehuggers since they were fast as hell and hard to shoot at. Also aiming up and down was slow, I'd say the only reason it was reviled in this case was of HOW the devs implemented the control scheme, not the control scheme itself.
>>331401445
>CE was actually a lot of fun on the PC and I genuinely believe that the Halo series in general would not be so looked down upon if they hadn't held it hostage on the consoles
yep
they got another one
>>331402809
After you.
>>331402746
Actually that's your own dumb fucking logic, since you decided to use a Mecha game as an example of why Gears of War is shit despite the fact that the basic gameplay isn't similar at all.
by your dumb fucking logic a WWII flight simulator with a third person cockpit view is a third person shooter. That's literally how fucking retarded you are.
>>331395823
they way online matchmaking was flawlessly integrated
>>331402891
No U
>>331402819
How is it bad?
>>331400023
Why would I play a game on a machine made for work? Going to play a game with that printer next?
>>331398116
>>331402939
That was Halo 2
Also several Xbox games had online matchmaking before Halo. Only thing H2 did was introduce group matchmaking and TruSkill™
>some fucking genius thought using L2 and R2 to look up and down was a good idea for armored core games all the way up until like AC3 or something before they finally siwtched to dual analog sticks
>the second stick served literally no purpose for almost a decade
>>331402980
>no u
9gag might be a better place for you friend.
>>331402493
>>331402539
Just because you have something that behaves somewhat like a gun doesn't mean it's a shooter. It's a first person puzzle game. The shooting mechanics are similar only in regards to the fact that you point at something with the gun to make something happen, that something is completely different between Portal and any FPS game.
>>331401445
>>331402890
>Halo 3 PC custom games potential
I remember how butt-ravaged people were when FFVII came out.
FFVII was a fine edition, and one of the better entries before and since. And yet, even now those people cannot admit the merits of an amazing game. All because it had first-gen 3d. I'll never understand it. Had everything but the grafix. Look at Undertale. That game looks like smeared shit, but it plays great.
>every NPC and conversations in the game is fully voiced
>only thing you have to actually read in the game are item descriptions
>>331403073
>Armored Core Last Raven controls on the PSP before VITA port
I don't wish this pain on any anon.
>>331402701
No I don't.
I've never once mentioned the game.
The only person beside you to mention it in this thread over here >>331399695 even said it was "fun in a shitty b movie way".
He knows it isn't a legitimately good game.
Either way, Portal is very clearly a borderline case with the definition of FPS. If it counts, it just barely counts.
Armored Core is not almost not a TPS.
Maybe your comparison would make more sense if I was talking about something like Malicious?
