Who here likes build engine games? Just playing pic related
Blood and Duke to me are the greatest shooters ever. Shadow Warrior is good too, but something about to me always felt off compared to Blood and Duke.
>tfw I finally got Deathwish for Blood working
feels gud man
>>331312443
I havent tried Deathwish yet, is is good?
>>331312521
Only a few levels in right now, but what I've played so far is great. Already better than cryptic passage for sure.
i tried playing blood again recently, and oh man, i am not as good at it as i was in the '90s
>>331312320
Just started playing original Shadow Warrior after completing the 2013 version.
>>331312993
I liked the expansions of SW because in both the first levels, you can get all weapons
>>331312320
>tfw shooters on a 2D engine have better interactivity, verticality and complexity than most modern ones
>>331313348
They even have working mirrors
>>331313348
that's because most modern shooters are about muh realism, and have a lot of shit to weigh you down
>>331312320
I only managed to enjoy this game when I played it on gzDoom.
I can't get used to dated controls.Don't hate me.
It is a great game though.
>>331313608
Blood controls like shit with the mouse, though, it's true.http://m210.duke4.net/
>Blood sourse port never
>>331314109
Blame WB and Atari
>>331314109
We've got the next best thing almost done, an EDuke32 TC.
>>331314109
It wouldn't surprise me at all if they trashed the source code for whatever reason.
I LIVE
AGAIN
>>331315402
He sure had a good VA
>>331312320
yeah redneck and expansions are good too
powerslave is good getting a re-release at some point but you can probably find the old powerslave ex build somewhere or play the dos version which is completely different
tekwar is pretty interesting but very confusing and frustrating
the witchaven games have neat atmosphere but aren't very good either
by the way the prequel for bombshell is looking pretty cool probably ends up better than the actual bombshell game
>>331316845
>redneck rampage
>good
Build is a piece of shit
Just trying to go through a normal door can kill you. No wonder Carmack hated it
>>331316905
It has some big flaws but its still quite good overall
>>331316928
i don't think he hated it i even think he considered hiring ken silverman at some point
>>331314109
I remember contacting a senior Blood dev directly over email many years ago asking for the source code
He didn't have it either. Shame.
BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS
I always wanted to make a Punisher game with a comic book aesthetic using the Build Engine as a kid.
Ended up just creating levels full of fucking bunnies in SW and vehicles with which to run them over.
Good times.
>>331313348
>Complexity.
I dunno about that, modern shooters are pretty fucking complex, just not in the gameplay departments.
Some of the shit devs do for grafix and sound propagation is goddamn insane and it goes to waste on mediocre games.
Duke3d, Blood and SW were all good. redneck Rampage was fun to.
>>331317692
I once thought about what would WTNO look like in the build engine
>>331312320
Blood and Duke are some of the best shooters ever, up there with Doom and the like. Blood 2 was such a massive disappointment, and DNF shouldn't have even released
>>331317713
it's not because they are complex obviously new games are far more complex but because they are so simple and aren't bloated with bullshit
>>331317756
I think it'd be pretty sweet.
EAT SHIT AND DIE
>>331317756
the new order?
you could translate the levels if you really wanted to but it would be boring as fuck because TNO's levels were short shitty and linear
>>331319185
I was refercing to the weapons because the shotgun was satisfying
>>331312320
I replayed Redneck Rampage just a while back. That game was NOT as good as my nostalgia would have had me believe.
Did find a new appreciation for the soundtrack doe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I8pC_DOXC4
I did Duke3D before that and I guess that means I'm on a Build binge now so Blood and Shadow Warrior are next.
>playing deathwish for the first time
how do I run ZBlood? I got he wad launcher to run zdoom and heretic but zblood wont register help pls
>>331321571
>actually wanting to play ZBlood
I have to ask, why?
Nice. I played Duke 3d and the old Shadow Warrior last week, now I started the new Shadow Warrior
>>331321691
Is it not an enhanced version than Blood?
>>331321571
this isn't a woman. it's a plastic doll
>>331321859
no just use dosbox
>>331321859
It's a much worse version of Blood. Doom engine and build are very different and there are a lot of things in Blood (like stacked rooms) that the doom engine just can't do. And as a result ZBlood is REALLY inaccurate and just isn't worth your time imo. I guess maybe if you're curious, but actually playing it nah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpGu33BoPT8
>I'll swallow your soul!
>I'll swallow your soul!
the spider cave level, bitch
I wish all of /v/ could experience it
>you will never play blood in a high resolution
>>331314109
>>331314386
>>331314391
>>331314439
>>331317405
>>331323507
What about XL engine? Probably Half-life 3 will release before Blood port, but it's like our last hope.
http://xlengine.com/games/
>>331321859
complete downgrade with doom physics and butchered maps.
So what's the best way to play it on modern PCs? DOSbox?
>>331325792
The best way to play is to have an old PC and play it in all its glory. But on modern PCs yeah you need DOSbox. Just pirate the GOG version and DON'T BUY IT.
>>331324802
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o94TluY8HgQ
Why do you even need it when BloodCM does the job more or less fine?
>>331325792
Dosbox is the only way to play the original game but there's a really good total conversion for Eduke32 called BloodCM. It has some inconsistencies (dynamite and body physics aren't as good, for example) but it's really faithful to the original, since everything is ripped straight from it and recreated from scratch.
>>331326164
The shotgun doesn't feel right in BloodCM.
>>331313528
No they don't. It's literally a cheap trick.
>>331326418
It's still better than Dosbox for modern PCs, at the very least because mouse isn't fucked. It's definitely not the perfect solution, though, and I understand why many prefer the original.
>>331326668
They are closer to actual mirror than shitty render to texture mostly seen today.
>>331326668
How Can Mirrors Be Real If Polygons Aren't Real
>>331326668
maybe new games should be using that "cheap trick" then
I'm gonna make a HD remake of Blood with id Tech 2.
>>331312320
>Face a horde of zombies
>Poke them to death with my pitchfork because it's the only thing I got
>Every fucking time they knock down you can't attack them
>EVERYFUCKINGTIME
>>331316928
this doesnt happen in shadow warrior or blood i think
>>331316845
is that from tekwar?
>>331327929
Transfusion happened, and it's long since dead.
>>331313608
>>331313782
>>331326164
>>331326762
Don't play that shitty russian knockoff
Get bmouse working on Dosbox, that's all you need to fix the mouse issue.
http://swisscm.duke4.net/downloads/BMOUSE06.ZIP
>>331312320
I love blood even more than new shooters but everytime i play it i get headaches sometimes i even vomit. Is a shame really i will never finish those games.
>>331328354
doors which open outwards and close inwards (large double doors) will kill you in Blood;
Doors which close downwards just push you down and don't damage you
OP, I don't really like Build games but I do like Blood
>>331312443
How did you get Deathwish working?
>>331330760
I read the readme file.
>>331323236
It's the most easiest level
>>331330760
Drag the DW files into the blood folder like normal and make sure you have BMouse installed or else it won't work. Then just launch the DW GOG file to play.
TO ALL THE NOOBS IN THIS THREAD WHO ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE MOUSE IN BLOOD
THERE IS A FIX, GOOGLE IT
This might be of use for some of you.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=286998267
>>331312320
After a long dry spell, I jumped in Duke 3D and remembered why I like video games.
Blood 2 can't be that bad right?
>>331334880
Eh, considering the time they had to make both a new 3D engine AND a sequel, I'd say it's pretty decent.
