http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/03/nintendo_issues_statement_on_side_quest_changes_in_bravely_second
>"We literally changed it because having the characters go 'Hmm. Maybe siding with X instead of Y might have worked out better...' made the Japanese fans sad."
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Westerners LITERALLY are too kiddy to handle bad feelings.
>japanese players say that was a bad idea
>Nintendo changes it so we dont have the same reaction
So they actually listened to feedback.
>>331244317
too bad nobody will actually see this
>>331240857
Wasn't getting players feelings all bunched up the entire point ?
>>331244317
They never said it was a bad idea, just that they got sad.
Which they should since those were the bad endings.
Boo hoo the Japs cried. Last I checked we aren't the Japanese.
>>331244705
>just that they got sad
>each side quest would end with the team lamenting the decision they made, regardless of the player's decision
I'd be more than sad if that happened with every single side quest.
God dammit, I hate Tiz and Yew so much, their bumpkins but they get to slam hotties like Agnes and Magnolia. It's not fair. What next? That brat Egil from the first game becoming the protagonist of the third and getting a hot waifu as well?
>>331244317
>Japanese players like something
>Nintendo changes it anyway, cleavage isn't allowed for the west!!
>Japanese players dislike something
>Nintendo changes it for the west, saying it was because of feedback
I don't get it, first they tell us we're two different cultures that are too different from each other to have cleavage in games, then they decide on gameplay changes because of people outside of this region.
Localizers are the scum of the industry when they're supposed to be saviors.
Played it. Justified.
You shits wouldnt be complaining if you saw the terrible writing like i have. It needs to be changed
>white mage job? Np, sell this girl to a jew
>ranger job? Let everyone starve to death then
>want access to the steal command rob an entite country if water
>>331243621
Fuck Nintendo is dead to me
>>331245530
Now the writing is just shittier.
>>331245530
Oh fuck off, I want to experience it myself rather than be dictated what I can or cannot see.
>>331245053
Fuck Yew but Tiz completely deserved it, he lost his home, his family, died three times, lost 2 years of life and went in two dangerous quests.
>Region known for FUCK YEAH I LOVE MORAL CHOICES IN MUH RPG'S
>Remove moral choices in muh RPG's because feelings
????????
>>331245530
I played it in Japanese and the writing isn't much better, the game is just mediocre, but its a shame its censored in the west.
>>331245530
>Not siding with the Red Mage even though he tried to rape Edea and had a literal sex dungeon
>>331245810
From what I understand, it's not really "moral choices."
It's "no matter what you do in the first cycle, you always did the wrong thing. Fix it in the next cycle."
>>331245942
Close, but no.
It's
"You aren't sure if the decision you made the first loop was a good idea. Either cement your choice in the second loop, which gives you a 'Yes. This was the right choice!' prompt, or fix it in the next."
It's literally a "Are you fucking sure, faggot?" option. And it hurt Japanese feelings.
I thought Japan was a different market? Isn't that why everything gets re-written, censored, and "localized" when it's brought over here to the West?
Isn't that why everything gets changed? Because what the Japanese think is good is wrong and different from what the West knows is actually good?
Then why are we using JAPANESE feedback to dictate the WESTERN VERSION of the game?
>>331245942
so now pacifist runs are ruined because you can just get all jobs without killing anyone?
>>331245530
Added bonus, you have to beat the shit out of the person clearly in the right.
Even in bethesda games if I smack some dick around I don't go into his house and kill his wife too. Forced 13 year old appeal dialogue is garbage.
>>331246642
>Even in bethesda games if I smack some dick around I don't go into his house and kill his wife too.
Casual.
Remove it for the japanese, then. I'm not japanese.
>>331246642
>if I smack some dick around I don't go into his house and kill his wife too
I just go kill his wife then slap my dick in his face while waving her severed head around.
For shits and giggles.
>Nintendo
>listening to japanese consumers
japanese gamers have become casual as fuck even so much that squareenix called them out because japanese players thought the ffXV demo was too hard.
Why YewXMagnolia feels so forced? They did a damn good job with TizXAgnes.
>>331247292
>Why YewXMagnolia feels so forced?
Because it is.
>>331243621
so instead of trying to improve upon the decisions the player can make and making the player able to emphasize with the characters more, they decided to just lazily scrap it all.
Nice, these guys don't even know how to listen to feedback
Well, shit. I feel an "unsatisfying disconnect" when the only option I have is to get a censored and butchered game.
Didn't get FE, won't be getting this.
>>331247284
As a Jap can confirm this, living in the United States compared to Japan is almost night and day difference for me for the hardcore gaming audience.
Jap friend gamers hate Dark Souls and it really isn't even that hard, it is bull shit because every action game has to be a Warrior's clone or it sucks to them.
>>331245530
>>331246642
This would be a very original premise and one of the only instances in videogames that happens along all the game.
Now we have just another jrpg
>>331245752
Man, their first time is going to be awkward as hell.Magonila might have to dominate Yew for a bit to get him to take more intuitive
>Bravely Default has several loops with barely any changes
>people hate it
>Bravely Second removes 2 loops per quest with even less changes
>now people want their loops back
>>331243621
While the complete removal is stupid, the way these "bad ends" were implemented was just terrible.
Finish the game 3 times to get every job and every good end? Fuck off, that shit makes BD's reashed chapters look like genius game design in comparison.
In the end we probably got the better version.
>>331250401
>>331250585
This is the only reason I don't mind this change. Bravely Default was 8/10 brought down to a 7/10 because of the rehashed boss fights. I REALLY hope Bravely Third doesn't pull this shit again.
>>331251297
Bravely Third needs a bigger budget so they can actually afford new assets and they need to ease up on the anime tropes.
Reminder /v/ sent a card to these fuckers and are now paying the price for it. Might teach you a lesson next time you decide to shill.
>>331251538
>so they can actually afford new assets
they should just redo the game and it's engine almost from scratch and learn from their mistakes
>>331251753
Square did this.
>>331251538
What it needs is a competent team doing gameplay and non retarded writers who think every generic anime plot/character tropes in existence is good writing.
You can really tell the new writers took over terribly from the after credit cutscene of BD where Magnolia appears and what the final product became.
>>331251753
This is Square being told directly by NoA and NoE.
So have they made a statement on the artbook yet, or are they ignoring that subject?
>>331243621
It's a good thing we have NoA to watch out for us in case of potential sadness. How did this fucking company become the poster boy for how not to localize a game over night?
>>331251957
>>331252268
No Nintendo did this, it literally says so in the OP and it was confirmed Nintendo did it
>>331252227
It's a shame when good franchises get run into the ground like this. Reminds me of Valkyria chronicles 2 in a way.
Both still have great gameplay but the writing got turned into even more cliches than before.
>Potential regret
What the fuck are they going on about? Most of these side quests involved characters that were outright killed by Tiz and group in Default. Why are they all suddenly alive again? Why does no one give a shit about the red mage who was locking girls up in his rape dungeon who is now a university lecturer?
The entire plot was a disaster before potential regret became an issue.
>>331252527
NoA has always been fucking terrible, from the very beginning. They're just getting even worse now.
>>331252870
I assume either the new team thought they stayed in the last loop were everyone was alive or they just said fuck it because they couldn't afford to make new characters.
>>331252867
There's a line from the original cutscene that Magnolia says that makes me suspect the original premise for Bravely Second was vastly different
>"You get to live in the same era as me, you lucky dog!"
But now it's only 2 years later.
>>331251957
>link literally proves NINTENDO did it
>HURR SQUARE
Fuck off you shills
>>331254330
Maybe you should actually read it
>the development team at Square Enix, in conjunction with Silicon Studio, decided to implement a number of revisions to the game for the purpose of improving its quality and creating a more enjoyable product.
>>331254460
That's not what it says.
>>331254494
Why are you lying when the link is in the op and everyone can read it himself?
Feels good playing best version
>>331243621
>Nintendo taking the blame
>SE and Binari Sonari are the ones handling the actual localization
>>331255525
You mean the meme translation?
>>331255992
I mean uncensored version.
Aside from enemy crab, i didn't see any memes in the game
>>331256226
The constant gravy puns are meme unto themselves.
>>331243621
Nintendo knows the majority of it's current western audience are little kids and autistic man children. They literally have to do this.
>>331256559
They are in the untranslated versions as well though.
They just made Yew say it instead of Magnolia
>>331255525
do I need a hacked 3DS for that version?
>>331257065
Yes
>>331253295
The problems started with them being cheap bastards and firing the Steins;Gate writer who did the original story for Bravely Default and then not going to Revo again, especially since he didn't actually do anything during the time the soundtrack and everything else of the game was being made, so once again we got a shitty watered down version of a game because SE tries to cut as many corners as they poissibly can and wonder why people got pissed with Second
>>331255525
Oh fuck they made an uncensor patch already? Thanks for letting me know m8
>>331258060
People got their priorities right
>>331256718
I will never ever understand why they did this.
>>331257838
Didn't the Japanese version had tons of internet memes and other really annoying jokes?
Personally I wish they kept it. I'm fine with redoing the game on NG+ if it felt like something new was happening. The problem with the first game was that the last half was just redoing everything over and over again with no sense of progression. Seem here there actually is progression with how things has changed.
>>331258171
Because Bravely Second is a shitty game on both lenguages and the only people who care about this pice of shit are the jackasses on america who can't learn a single other lenguage to help themselves
>>331258171
It's cute. Both have this little gravy thing going between them.
>>331258262
IT had a whole bunch of internet slangs that didn't actually make any sense in the story, think the Neptunia memes
>>331243621
So are they going to issue a statement on why they altered or cut the costumes in Bravely Second and Fire Emblem: Fates?
Yes that rustles my jimmies.
But the article said that SE and Silicon Knights are the ones that did it, not Nintendo.
Nintendo is just saying what happened
>>331259093
Much more fun to shitpost than to read
>>331259093
>Based on feedback received after Bravely Second: End Layer's release in Japan, the development team at Square Enix, in conjunction with Silicon Studio, decided to implement a number of revisions to the game for the purpose of improving its quality and creating a more enjoyable product.
Are Magnolia and Yew statistically like Agnes and Ringabel?
>yfw Edeas dad had probably caught her masturbating
Nintendo doesn't even have any say in the localization of Bravely Second, they only funded it.
Stop blaming Nintendo, this is all on Square.
>>331250401
It's almost as if it's not the same group of people complaining.
>>331243621
And spec-ops is literally "you're a bad person: the walking sim", but it's still (generally) appreciated as a good game.
>>331245530
>>want access to the steal command rob an entite country if water
fuck, I want the steal command
there was all kinds of shit in the first game where you could only get copies of if you stole it from a boss
The side quests are the least of the problem with this game, and at the very least, post best boy.
>>331255676
Nintendo paid for the localization, and got to dictate what's changed. This is what they do as publisher.
>>331252870
It's implied that at the very least the White Mage and Monk survived regardless of the loop you were in since a later loop revealed that the mage cast an auto-revive spell and they just played dead until the group left. If it happens in that loop, it's fucking retarded to not think it happened in all the other loops.
Japanese shit taste strikes again
>We're protecting you from feeling bad about choices.
Fuck everyone involved in this decision, and fuck the drones defending it.
Dude youre not going for nintendo games if youre looking for GOOD storytelling. cmon now japanese in general suck at storytelling ( except dark souls, and thats mostly world building)
>>331255525
Do I need to pirate to use this patch? I was dumb and bought it.
>>331245886
>not siding with the Red Mage because he tried to rape Edea and had a literal sex dungeon
>>331245053
Who cares?
Best guy got best girl.
>>331243621
why the tomahawk change then?
especially for europe
there was literally nothing wrong with the japanese version
>>331245053
This isn't your personal blog. Go cry on tumblr
>>331243621
the development team at Square Enix, in conjunction with Silicon Studio, decided to implement a number of revisions to the game for the purpose of improving its quality and creating a more enjoyable product.
Nintendo didn't change anything you fucking idiots. It was square.
Why didn't they just make it a fucking option?
>>331260940
Because japan confused the lone gunman cowboy archetype with an injun
From what I heard the only thing they changed was some dialogue at the end of the quest.
You had to choose a side and each side ended with the character saying what they did sucked.
Now they end with them saying maybe it didn't suck so much.
>>331260940
Because Nintendo is terrified of the whole Redskins debacle.
>>331261292
they could've placed the bad endings in the Hard Mode of the game so there's a reason to play it besides the difficulty
but, that's just my opinion on the matter
>>331260694
You just need to be hacked, put the patch on your sd, run bootntr and start the game. Pretty sure it should work with the cart
>>331261613
No, Nintendo of America could have left it the fuck alone, let players have their choice, and let kids also playing it learn that there are consequences for being little pricks.
>>331261613
>play hardmode
>get worse endings for your trouble
>>331261714
awww fuck yeah
>>331261737
Cry some more of your bitch tears a new thing to be angry about will appear in a few months and you will forget censorship, just like it happened with the 60fps debable once you saw that your crying will not change fucking anything
>Daddy Nintendo saving us from feeling sad.
This company is a joke.
So I'm confused, did they completely remove options from the game that would lead to a bad end or did they just rewrite those bad ends to be good ends but otherwise the game is 100% intact?
>>331261613
>play hard mode
>for bad ending
>>331261872
https://mega.nz/#!MYpWULxJ!1MGXjygbipq52vSZKhxvUmcJio_GucEijNt1mJQVEZw
>>331262034
In a few months, we'll be laughing at how poorly this game sold here too.
>>331243621
>b-but...slippery slope is a meme ;_;
>>331261737
>Nintendo
Nintendo had nothing to do with it, moron
>>331261737
You still have the choice and the choice had no impact on getting a bad ending
>>331262290
>still posting this image that implies the quest cuts are an entire ending for the game that got cut
And i've yet to see the "heavily altered dialoge"
If Nintendo cared about their customers at all, they'd remove the region lock on their consoles. That way, the fans can play their games unmolested (I know that the Asian version of Bravely Default has English text) and casual gamers can still enjoy their NoA translations. As it happens, Nintendo don't care about their fans, which drives people to hack their consoles and pirate everything.
>>331262527
>And i've yet to see the "heavily altered dialoge"
>>331256718
>>331262578
That's just because they wanted to keep Magnolia foreign.
She speaks english in the japanese version which would be hard to get accross in the translation, so they changed english to french.
>>331262090
>dense motherfucker can't read
Square, not Nintendo
>>331262991
What'd they change it to in the French translation?
Spanish?
>>331263227
Might have kept it as english? Not sure.
Any frenchmen here?
>>331243621
>Based on feedback received after Bravely Second: End Layer's release in Japan, the development team at Square Enix, in conjunction with Silicon Studio, decided to implement a number of revisions to the game for the purpose of improving its quality and creating a more enjoyable product.
One such change affects the game's optional side quests, where players encounter a conflict between two opposing parties and choose which party to side with.
When the game was released in Japan, each side quest would end with the team lamenting the decision they made, regardless of the player's decision. This was intended to help players empathise with the characters' situation, but overwhelming feedback from players indicated that they felt an unsatisfying disconnect between their intentions and the characters' reactions. In response, these side quest endings were amended to show the party readily coming to terms with their actions in a manner that does not cause the player undue regret for their decisions.
These changes do not affect the gameplay or the course of events in the game, and were made with the intention of improving the game experience for players.
Goddamn, you faggots don't read into shit at all.
>>331244712
This
Japs hate grey decisions, but we love it.
>>331262578
>And i've yet to see the "heavily altered dialoge"
Because making references from a 1955 show was in the original heh.
>>331263787
>and were made with the intention of improving the game experience for players.
Well they didn't.
They made it worse.
BEFORE THIS GOES ANY FURTHER REALIZE SOMETHING:
>the entire plot of the game was built around player feed back and popularity polls
>literally the entire game is an anime adventure with a random hot spring village, awful romances, and terribly written out of character plot
>the writers and REVO from the last game were replaced and had no idea where to pick up the story and atmosphere
>most of the assets in BS are reused from BD, including music, costume models, entire dungeons, and cities
>because this game was so rushed (in Japan) there were plenty of awful enemy animations and clipping, only some of these were fixed in the localized version (keep in mind this localization is being releases AN ENTIRE YEAR after it's Japanese release)
>the sound quality in the localized version is inexcusably bad, likewise, no dual audio
>the voice actors are just awful, they range from mediocre to plain garbage, not simply because they sound bad but some don't even fit the personalities of the characters
>most, if not all, the returning characters are written out of character or just poorly written in general, some examples: Edea only cares about food, Anges cares about sweets more than the crystals, Ringabel's only defining characteristic now is obsessing over Edea, Tiz has no personality what so ever and barely speaks
now for gameplay
>just as broken as before
>the depth of the game has also gone down with bosses being less complex and relying on shit gimmicks, like Diamante's retard force shield, and "ghost" element status
>new jobs are either mediocre, like Guardian, or just replace old jobs with a new costume
>game is pathetically easy once Chapter 5 hits, you also get swamped with so much JP and EXP drops you need to turn it off if you want to keep any ounce of difficulty
>Quad wield, plus mimic, and meteor rain are probably more broken than the last game's combos
These are all the issues with the new game, not the shitty subquests.
>>331264030
>removing tiny changes you'd have to replay each quest 4 times for
>not an improvement
>>331263967
The entire meaning of the japanese is in there though, they just added one more sentence
As it fucking should, maybe SE will learn not to half ass it again
>>331264138
>keep in mind this localization is being releases AN ENTIRE YEAR after it's Japanese release
that's nothing new for Nintendo
>>331264263
>Making the game designed more for lazy shitters that would prefer a mobile gacha game over an actual game
>Better
>>331264138
Fuck off
So I haven't really followed the plot to BS. How do the loops work this time? Now all the side quests are replayed and each time you can do "better," except now they've removed the sad loops?
>>331264430
The point is there is still plenty of issues with this game that should have been fixed in the localization. That's why it takes long, to runs bug fixes, they didn't even take the find and fix the fucking basic ones.
>>331264498
Tell this thread to fuck off first.
>>331243621
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is a game aimed at children using pokemon, a medium specifcally aimed at children;
It is the devourer of emotional anguish. It is a creature sustained on crippling the psyche of small children.
Plus there's misty, for 8-year old boners.
Bravely Defaulting Your loan 2: Repo men's second visit - Platinum watch edition is a game aimed not at children that must not make you sad, or aroused.
has anyone considered the idea that Nintendo is actually just fufilling their intent of literally catering for children? as in not "what parents want children to want" but more "what that one weird creepy fucking kid who started masturbating when they were six and new about girl pee-pee way too easily" kind of way?
That's my theory post elaborately covering this six I just got.
>>331264138
This.
The game was rushed and written worse than the first, outright contradicting it at points
>>331264263
>The entire meaning of the japanese is in there though, they just added one more sentence
The entire meaning is different. She sounds overly aggressive, while in the original she's softly calling him out.
Here, have another Pop Culture reference, because you sure sound you love that.
>>331262189
>>331261810
Stop being chucklefucks. I'm 99% sure he means making the choice have consequence in Hard mode, while Normal removes the risk
>>331265164
You realize the consequences only effect the subquest.
YOU REALIZE SUB QUEST ARE IN NO WAY EFFECTING THE MAIN STORY.
They might as well not exist. The characters don't come back, your decision does not effect the ending, it does not effect the twist, it ISN'T EVEN MENTIONED BY ANY CHARACTER EVER AGAIN.
The sub quests are so irrelevant (and so are the jobs, you don't even really need any of them) THEY DON'T EVEN NEED TO BE IN THE GAME.
I don't know how to stress this further. You and many others are lamenting over cut content that was barely content to begin with!
>>331261737
Nintendo of America DID leave it the fuck alone, they didn't fucking localize it.
>>331264973
>obscure american references in the european translation
Anyways, gets the point across and is a literal throwaway line regardless. Most people here won't even recognize the reference.
Not nearly as bad as the changes in Fates which really change the entire meanings and far from "heavily altered"
>>331265442
So why remove it at all? Again, they probably could've just made it a difficulty setting like with the encounter rate and both sides would be happy
>>331264973
>Here, have another Pop Culture reference, because you sure sound you love that.
It's literally dr seuss dude.
I can understand getting upset by ebin memes but why get upset at this.
>>331244317
>actions have consequences
>late game event allows you to get good ending
>remove consquences, make late game event irrelevant
>>331265164
Unless they alter it completely your choices still wouldn't matter as you get a bad ending on the first run regardless of what you choose
>>331265442
>Guys forget the millions of other people who died in WW2, six million of them were jews, that's the MAIN STORY.
Don't make me cut your content.
>>331265489
>Dr. Seuss
>obscure
>>331265549
Because people complained about loops so much in the first game with it being the main negative point 90% of critics mentioned
>>331264138
>Tiz has no personality what so ever
Sounds pretty in-character to me.
>>331265808
Except you glided over the part where I basically said "Why not just make it optional?"
The loops weren't 100% optional and that was the issue
>>331264138
tiz didnt have a personality in the first game though!
>>331265747
For most of europe, yes.
Not sure about brits.
>>331265549
>So why remove it at all?
PLAYER
FEEDBACK
That is the ENTIRE issue with this game.
It's why the entire cast came back.
Is why they all fuck each other in the end.
It's why they only talk about food.
It's why there is an awful romance hamfisted into the plot.
It's why it's an anime adventure with no substance like the last game.
It's why everything is feel good until the end.
It's why Ringabel was fucked out of the plot.
It's why YEW (as in YOU) fall in love with the cover girl Magnolia.
It goes on, and on, and on.
It's a mess, and the subquest isn't even 1% of the entire problem.
>>331265690
refer to the above
>>331259751
Yew is more like Tiz 2.0 but less endearing. He at least has some background and motivation.
Magnolia looked like she was going to be this smug semen demon from the moon but she just ends up being this flat, boring character that has little reason being there. She does nothing without sucking Yew's dick or going on about how great Yew is.
Best girl design. Worst girl character.
The localization in both games his hilarious backwards.
>Censor lewd clothes
>Keep the rape dungeon, child slavery and genocide plotpoints
>Change delicious native american to a delicious cowgal thinking that's somehow less racist
>>331265874
>>331265908
Compared to Bravely Default he did.
It's honestly that fucking bad.
He literally doesn't do anything. Anything at all. Ever.
He's so not a character that he even serves as a mouth piece for another character who becomes more important than him.
>>331265901
Many people would play hardmode because they like a challenge, not because of the choices.
Maybe make it a switch for all difficulties like: "Do you want to see some extended content on sidequests?"
Thank god I didn't buy this shit.
>>331265951
Yep, could tell the moment i saw her she was going to be an awful charactet
>>331245530
That sounds really cool though, having to do horrible things in game to unlock really useful abilities so you can accomplish whatever over-reaching goal is a really interesting way to do moral choices in games because instead of going "do I want ending A or B" you're actively changing your game experience
"I really want to steal or be a white mage, am I okay with doing something this stupid" would hit me way more than dozens of "do you side with this group or the other" options you see in every wrpg
Not the best thread to ask this, but is BS decent enough to be worth playing if i liked the first? Is the european version censored or downgraded in any way? Is there dual audio if the voice acting is bad?
>>331245230
they just do what ever they want man
they just say that stuff as an excuse so people dont get too mad
>>331266225
Her first appearance at the end of Default had me interested.
But that was about it. Honestly looking back at that cutscene and her character in Second they may as well be 2 different characters.
>>331266265
The European version is the same as the murrican version and was released beforehand.
It's more or less a straight sequel to the first one, with new jobs and exactly the same battle system
Music is by a different composer and falls short compared to the first game, but is still alright sometimes.
So, do you just want more of the same? Then get it. Or pirate it like I did.
>>331266237
I wouldn't have minded the bad endings to be the only quest endings as well, i just wouldn't replay the game two more times to see both
>>331266382
I thought BD and FF5 were great
>>331265587
>expecting 4chan ultrafaggots not to shit the bed any time any game makes any reference to anything ever
>>331265984
>And i've yet to see the "heavily altered dialogue"
Because a Star Wars Reference in a Fantasy Game makes perfect sense. You guys sure love your pop culture references huh.
>>331266265
BS is pretty shit.
If you loved the combat of the first, try it.
If you loved the story of BD, avoid BS like the plague.
>>331266543
>>331264973
autism.jpg
>>331266265
You will be dissapointed by the plot but it's still nice enough if you liked the gameplay.
I pirated it with no regrets.
EU version alters some costumes but you can patch them back in >>331255525
>>331264773
The difference between PMD and this is that no matter what choice you make in Bravely Second, you end up getting fucked over with the characters saying "We shouldn't have picked this side". There was an overwhelming negative reaction among Japanese players to it, so Nintendo and Square-Enix decided to change it. What's the point in having a choice if no matter what you regret it?
The better route would have been to make a third "neutral" option where everything turns out well, but still left the "bad" options instead of changing the "bad" options to "neutral" options.
>>331266543
>allusions are only allowed if the fictional character who makes it would have direct personal knowledge of the source
>>331266543
>Because a Star Wars Reference in a Fantasy Game makes perfect sense.
Did you read what you wrote before posting it? There had been an on going Star Wars reference in every FF for a fucking decade, you stupid shit.
There are actually people that don't know this, holy shit.
>>331266543
Biggs and Wedge.
>>331266543
>japanese
Tiz tries to esp the guards away
>english
Tiz tries to use the force to move the guards away
Still don't see the altered meanings, senpai
>>331264138
>no dual audio
That's not true.
>>331266864
>literally
>LITERALLY
>acknowledges that Tiz was using "the force"
>i don't see the difference
you are
completely fucking retarded
>>331266543
>Because a Star Wars Reference in a Fantasy Game makes perfect sense
It does actually. FF's have had star wars references since like ff4
>>331267021
It's the same fucking meaning, no matter which kind of psychic force he uses
>>331267021
>choosing this one to respond to after getting obliterated repeatedly in other posts
lol
>>331266971
Yes it is. Was cut to make room on the cart.
Also why the sound quality is so bad in general.
>>331267021
Stop lying anon.
No one references the force. Tiz does the image, the npcs fuck off, then the others state how lucky he is. The cutscene ends and you get a message on how to alter encounter rates.
>>331243621
>Went from making Kirby mad on every cover to not being able to show shit that made people sad
>>331267192
No it wasn't. Have you actually played the game?
Most of the other complaints are actually valid, but it has dual audio.
>>331267262
I didn't know Square localized all the Kirby games!
>>331267192
Take a look at the options menu
>>331267192
Stop telling porky pies, anon.
>>331245810
It's not a moral choice though, it's just supposed to look like one because no matter what you do it's wrong even if you as the player can clearly see a way to solve the problem.
>>331267587
that's so obviously the first game it isn't funny
>Bravely Default thread
>expand all images
>no thighs
Why even live
>>331267038
>>331266787
>FF's have had star wars references since like ff4
Last time i checked, this game's name was Bravely Second. Even if the system is a throwback to classic FF's, it's still a different game. And again. This was not in the original script.
>>331267192
This game has dual-audio. But what they say in the original audio don't always match what is written. This is another case of dubtitles
>>331245886
This is what gets me about BD's censorship. They cover up the bravado bikini, but it's pretty clear DeRosa has a Bible Black lair under the streets.
>>331267801
There's been little to no fanart of Second since it was released.
>>331267310
>>331267587
>>331267723
Oops I feel stupidI meant dual audio as in dual speaker audio, heh. Sorry, it is late...
>>331267837
It's a fucking FF game, everything about it is FF, from it's original concept and story, don't kid yourself.
>>331267948
You can leave now if you feel ashamed
>>331267948
>It's a fucking FF game
The boxart says otherwise thought, can't you read?
>>331243621
>Westerners LITERALLY are too kiddy to handle bad feelings.
But that applies only to the Japanese, Nintendo just assumed gaijinshi would feel the same way
You're dumb
>>331268167
You're boring.
>>331267914
>>331267801
>There's been little to no fanart of Second since it was released.
Do you go on pixiv? There is plenty of Magnolia, by herself.
Fanart, recent ones, have gone down recently, the game is a year old in Japan.
Also you're expecting fan art for a game that was kind of badly received (at least not to the level they expected). If you compare the amount of fan content that exists between BD and BS, it's rather sad. BD has twice the amount of fanart, in fact people still pop out art celebrating BD's release date, 3 years after the fact. I'll be surprised if i see any for BS.
Though I do have some Magnolia, let me dig through my folder for some of the better ones of her I saved.
>>331268191
>Nintendo
>You're dumb
And you're dumber
Japan hates moral ambiguity? Why are half their villains pretty-boy genocidal murderers who you're supposed to sympathize with?
>>331267775
Keep shitposting on
>>331264973
>>331263967
Funny, I normally complain about stuff like this but these are perfectly fine to me.
Let's ask the really important questions here
http://strawpoll.me/7098358/
>>331267837
you're trying too hard
>>331268426
nice photoshop
>>331268630
>http://strawpoll.me/7098358/
>No "neither, i'm just here to shitpost" option
>>331268426
Looks fake, you can see the phone taking the video in the reflection
>>331266331
>they just do what ever they want man
why is it that they always seem to want to remove content?
>>331268167
It reads FF to me.
>>331263967
memes so dank
>>331268978
1955 memes
>>331269295
they were the dankest o times
>>331266543
Reminder that one of the main complaints JAPANESE AUDIENCES had with this game was the meme dialog.
>>331264138
>the voice actors are just awful
Damn, i liked the voice acting in Default
>>331268308
Came with the fan art I promised.
If you got a request, male or female, I can fill it.
I have comics too.
>>331271074
>>331271194
>>331269934
Tiz and Yew are okay but the audio quality on Edea and especially Magnolia is fucking terrible. You can really hear it whenever a word with 'S' in it is pronounced.
>>331271303
Alright, I'm playing the demo and the AR scene was neat like Agnes holding you and is running away from someone. The question is: Was the entire scene censored?I couldn't see Agnes's panties due to those black voids.
>>331265442
Random battles and overworlds also have no impact on the story, should we remove those too?
Stop being a fucking retard.
>>331269295
Just means they've had time to ferment.
>>331271330
The audio quality is one thing, I think he means the VAs they picked were bad.
Janne was bad, tomahawk girl was awful, pastry boy was awful, did they change Brave's voice he sounds off?
Several others too.
>>331271414
They actually do because when you level, it effects how well you do in the game. Getting an ending dialog removed from an otherwise useless sub quest? Nah, not really that impacting.
>>331271330
Are they keeping the Voice actors of Default?
>>331271623
But if random battles were removed, boss fights would be balanced around not levelling off them, so why don't we just remove them? In fact, why not just make everything between bosses pure cutscenes? After all, all that walking on the world and exploring dungeons doesn't actually affect the story.
>>331271721
Edea, Tiz, Ringabel and Agnes are all the same
>>331271623
I kind of liked Janne's voice, just the right amount of cockiness you want from an antagonist.
>>331271623
>Janne was bad, tomahawk girl was awful
This. A lot of people have a boner for Janne for some reason in spite of his horrible voice and shitty motivations. Aimee's voice.. What were they thinking?
>>331272246
I really don't like that cutscene art
>>331266543
This is actually somewhat charming and much better than simply "go away" DESU.
>>331268940
then get a prescription for your eyes in the nearest optician.
you can't even see words clearly from 50 cm away
I would of preferred the second game only having Agnes,Edea and Magonila as party members just for their thighs, dear god, their thighs. I wanna lick them, lick, lick, lick
>>331272636
Lewd
>>331272162
>>331272246
Janne's voice wasn't horrible, but compared to his Japanese voice which was amazing, it's a pretty bad drop in quality.
>A lot of people have a boner for Janne for some reason
Because he was good in the demo, would have added costume variation, you actually felt bad for him, he wasn't badly written as some of the others (he wasn't good, but not horrible like the others involved in the Empire), his connection with Yew was believable (though he didn't really have a reason to be pals with Nikolai), his character design is top notch, and without the revenge shit pulling him down, he would have made a fun character.
That's pretty much why, at least all the reasons I can think of. I hope he comes back, he had potential.
>>331272792
>Janne's voice wasn't horrible
Yes it is. Sounds like the VA should of voiced some random annoying side character instead. He is your cliche anime childhood friend that turns on you. He shouldn't even of had any sympathy either, he killed tons of people.
>>331245620
>I want the toy company that made my baby games when I was a kid to make more mature products now that I'm an adult!
>>331245230
Localizers get paid to change things.
>People un-ironically expecting to play a JRPG in 2016 that don't have broken mechanics and/or worse-than-anime stories.
>mfw
It's a video game, try to have some god damnfunand stop taking shit so seriously.
>bad endings makes me feel bad so it is bad
Why is Nintendo treating us like toddlers?
>>331274154
>the development team at Square Enix, in conjunction with Silicon Studio
>>331273262
His voice matched his character, and no, there are worse sounding rivals. He wasn't edgy and dark, he was bitter and young. The kind of bitter you are when you're young and stupid minded.
>He is your cliche anime childhood friend
Except he wasn't. He became friends with the sappy ass MC to try and kill him but couldn't do it. For some cosmic reason (yes this wasn't explained, it should have been) Yew was too important to him.
The point of this is, that connect was believable. Can you honestly tell me if Yew's connection with either Anges, Tiz, Edea, Magnolia, or his brother were more believable?
The game reminded you about Janne, made you feel a little sorry for him in Chapter 4, and Janne, while in the party, was entertaining. I think Janne is the only character that forced Yew to have character development and become something other than a whinny bitch, the members in his party did nothing. Really nothing.
And lastly
>He shouldn't even of had any sympathy either, he killed tons of people
This happened in Chapter 5, when the whole story completely falls apart for everyone involved, literally anything any character did was just overwritten for Yew's magical negotiation powers. Everyone became awful, no character was immune to the shitty writing. This is also when I dropped the game unsurprisingly.
>>331273913
The main complaint is, none of that was really in BD. The combat is the same but it shouldn't be. Is it wrong to expect some improvements? They reused assets and classes and replaced broken mechanics with even more broken mechanics.
And the story in BD was actually decent as far as JRPGs go, that's why people liked it. BS is a steep drop in quality, very.
>>331268978
>>331269295
It's called a reference you flame-retardant cocksuckers. Christ.
>>331274674
>And the story in BD was actually decent as far as JRPGs go, that's why people liked it. BS is a steep drop in quality, very.
Hahahaha fuck no.
"Edea, my daughter, what you're doing is wrong and bad. I'm not going to tell you WHY though."
"My goal of AntiCrystalism is to remove the corrupting influences of the indolent Church. So lemme just hire a user of WMDs and a literal date rapist as top officials in my army."
"Hey, guys. Guys. Do you think there's something off about Airy?"
"Hm... maybe. She's pretty suspicious. We need to keep an eye on her."
-Later-
"Airy betrayed us???? Who could have seen this coming?"
"So in one reality Agnes fell through the Holy Pillar and survived long enough to pass on the message to DeRossa and Yulyana from that world. After that EVERY incarnation of Yulyana and DeRosso magically know about the Angel and what to do about it."
>>331274892
I'm just making fun of the complaint
>>331274892
>references so dank
>>331275219
Reminder that we played the for the sequel version. Many of the foreshadowing parts weren't in the original game
>>331275219
>decent as far as JRPGs go
JRPGs are not exactly known for quality writing.
But to comment on your shit examples:
>Edea was supposed to be stupid, too stupid to ask that question
>Brave didn't know his top officials were working behind his back, he exiled them from Eternia upon realizing it, he didn't realize this because of his obsession to destroy the Orthodoxy
>they new for some time something was wrong with Airy and even admit it in conversation, they kept going down the path because they didn't know what else to do, their ages were changed in the west version but the party is actually comprised of stupid children with Ringabel as the only legal adult
>Ringabel saw Airy coming from the start
>there was an explanation on how worlds connect specifically with Yulyana and his probably being Ringabel
Why don't you give the wiki a quick read before jumping to conclusions?
>>331275781
People actually cared to play this game even after watching those godawful previews? Literally nothing but the new classes would have kept the people who liked BD from coming back, and we know how those turned out.
>>331276873
There are plenty of people who will be tricked by the demo, which is better than the game.
>>331277456
What makes the full game worse?
>>331277613
Other than the audio still being bad (which is a red flag)
Better team
Better dialog
Better banter
The non canon quest is entertaining enough
The fights are fun.
Once you start the game your team, which you enjoyed in the demo, is replaced with a boring one with rehashed Edea and Tiz and the gamplay doesn't hold up once the brokenness of the jobs begins to show through. Likewise, you get to watch the quality in the writing drop; chapter, by chapter.
Think of it like a bull shot for burgers at a fast food joint. The picture looks great, and then when you get the real thing, it doesn't look anything like you thought it would. Kind of like someone stepped on it and offered it to you with a smile.
>>331266507
I would.
>>331243621
I don't really give a fuck why
They should have left that shit alone
This is beyond censorship at this point. This is just cutting shit out for no GOOD reason.
SO what exactly was even altered?
contemplating playing the uncensored euro version of Bravely Second, It only has the original costumes though. I can understand eliminating redundant garbage, from what i've been reading it's just some open ended bullshit that went nowhere and wasted time, but if they cut it cause it's "sad" then i'll just wait till I can actually read japanese.
>>331278687
Punishing you for wanting to go back and get a job you missed isn't a good reason? Sub quests were horribly written and a chore to go through. Their stories were pointless.
What would adding them change? What would removing them change? Pretty much nothing. Still bad either way.
>>331278892
Japan complained about the sidequests being frustrating because all of them had a bad end no matter what you did.
Square and Silicon decided to react to the negative response for the foreign market.
/v/ complains like babies.
