Would video games be better if PC gaming never existed?
I would have probably given up the hobby altogether if it wasn't an option. We'd be way worse without it.
Of course.
Every single bad thing about gaming was born on PC.
Nobody knows.
Gaming communities would easily be better though.
>>331005931
The opposite would be true.
Consoles may have been required at a time long past but today you are just handing over all control to a middle man - in an industry already filled with middlemen.
>>331005931
>the place where they actually do all the works behind a game
>never existed
Shit's be fucked yo
>>331006212
This AND opposite. If PC's wouldnt exist, there would be console wars but without pcucks throwing their few cents about LE GRAPHIX XDD and although im a pc user, those manchilds should grow up
but anon, consoles are just glorified low end pcs.
God, no, emulation and modding are two things I'd hate to go without. I'm pretty much an idort but it's silly to pin the blame on PC gaming when console games are the source of just as much AAA bullshit, if not more.
>>331006372
you are posting in a console war thread right the fuck now
you are part of the problem
We would have been better if /v/ had never existed
>>331006652
and i dont care, fuck you everyone, gaming is dying because of you
>>331005931
Gaming wouldn't exist at all without PCs
>>331006652
No Wojack and ironic shitposting was posted yet, so it ain't that bad.
So far, it hasn't descended into kiddy fights, so I don't see why you are complaining. Second it descends into it, anybody that stays is a idiot, that's how shit goes.
>>331006372
Regardless of whatever you are projecting right now, technological progressis crawled to a fucking halt on consoles.
Without consoles - there would be a single open platform for everyone to develop on.
Without PCs, theres a fragmented industry of several one-company-controlled consoles who all want to make sure you buy THEIR hardware, so they make their content exclusive as a carrot on a stick to follow.
Said open platform also allows community created content and fixing and adding, while consoles will simply - never - do that.
One leads to games having to compete with eachother - instead of having their own exclusives pools where they are "the" game to buy.
Basically
>$1500 for 5 consoles to have access to all games which dont compete with eachother and are all limited by cheap-shit hardware
vs
>$1500 for single computer with high specs and thus high fidelity, real competition and user-made content
Now please make yourself look like a fool by claiming the former is better.
>>331006681
can't argue with that
>>331006779
This. You can't make a videogame without a PC.
Games are made on PCs. You can't just log into your Xbox Live account and make a game on it.
>>331005931
no, obviously not.
>guys, I'm so glad the dumb kikes only let me have games on a shitty closed system. so lucky, man.
good goy, OP. keep buying remakes from old shitgames for the newest fagatron console for good goys TM. foar teh playas :3
>>331006681
But most people here would be dead then.
>>331006162
All gaming communities are horrible no matter what
>>331007017
Might as well
>>331005931
Video games wouldn't exist if PC gaming never existed
>>331005931
Yes, in that they wouldn't exist.
>>331006980
He never said that PCs wouldn't exist idiot.
>>331006162
Yup, because nobody shitposts/rages at other people on console, right?
>>331006652
>implying I won't bump anything that purposely brings down the quality level of /v/
If PC gaming never existed then Console gaming would have never existed by virtue that Consoles are just gimped PCs to begin with and just dressed up with really rudimentary OS's
>>331007184
Funny thing is - a world where consoles don't exist - this could happen.
A world where there are computers - but theres no "gaming" on them, is absolutely impossible.
>>331007228
Here's some food for thought then. If PC gaming never existed, that means nobody ever had the forethought to make videogames in the first place and computers would be relegated to work devices. But the second someone decides to make vidya games, the idea of putting them on the same devices they were created on comes, because it's actually easier than making it work on a device exclusively designed for a specific genre of software, I.E. videogames.
He said PC GAMING, not PCs entirely.
Fucking PCucks are braindead.
>>331007558
That's not what the person I replied to was saying. They were acting as if there were no computers if there's no pc gaming. Maybe they shouldn't be retarded.
>>331007702
>>331007017
Kill millions, to save billions
>>331007842
Eh, fair enough.
Also, no PC gaming means no console gaming either, see my reasoning above, either way.
Have a wonderful day. And remember, unironically using the work "Cuck", even in a derogatory slur in an attempt to enrage others makes you look like an unlearned pleb who flings around words to try and look like you know what you're doing.
>>331008032
Once again, that's not what the person I replied to was saying. Also, I'm not the one one that made the cuck post, I was just pointing it out because it essentially said what I'm saying.
>>331007702
Honestly its a braindead idea.
As long as PCs exist, PC gaming will exist, theres no separation of these.
Sony, MS and Nintendo could go udner tomorrow and console gaming on a whole would probably disappear for years until a single new one rises up out of the hundreds of zeeboo level dogshit consoles.
But as long as there are PCs and people coding on them - they'll make vidya.
PC gaming and video games in general would be better if Steam never existed.
>>331006372
>this AND the opposite
But his point is about an overarching problem within the console games industry where it's consumers are getting regularly fucked.
You point is about internet arguments.
Those aren't the same breh.
>>331008241
And once more I agree. I'm just pointing out facts in general and seem to be leading you slightly off key. I am saying that one Anon is retarded, but part of their point still stands.
You are a rare sight among the shitposters.
Have a wonderful day, Anon.
>>331008418
>that hair
Holy shit is this the 1960s
No, video games would be better if Microsoft never entered the industry. They fucked up consoles and are trying harder right now to fuck up PC.
>>331005931
gaming began on PC's
Consoles ARE pc's
you guys are dumbfucks
All the shit posting of pcucks here is amazing.
Console are what gaming is.
PC gaming is just side effect game development.and stingy publishers.
Nobody gives a fuck about pc.
Consoles are entry level gaming, PC is for enthusiasts. If you think the option for enthusists is unnecessary, you clearly aren't one.
>>331007391
If there was no Atari 2600 or Famicom there would be no video games as you know it, kiss goodbye 96% of your favorite developers/publishers/franchises
big budget PC games would die by 2004 or sooner as development costs rise and piracy grows and developrs are unable to port to additional platforms to recoupe dev costs, enjoy your Personal indie Computing system and horrible dimension of no fun Japanese games. I guess arcades would exist? but that's fucking stupid cause consoles are great and the reason games became great and your alternative reality sucks ass
If there was no pc gaming every thread on /v/ would be Xbox bullshots vs PS bullshots.
there wouldn't be a single thread about gameplay, or actual screenshots of games.
just a circlejerk of retards comparing their latest movie stills.
It'd be even worses
Maybe if PCs were more accessible things would be better.
I mean, who in their right mind would toss $1500 at something (then another $100-500 per upgrade) instead of $500 every 3-5 years? I mean, from a consumer standpoint, having a console+smartphone+cheap laptop is the smarter thing to do.
>>331010857
Its one thing to make a theory of what would be now - and then writing up a new history to fit your opinion.
The question is not "What if consoles were never made?", but what if they would not be.
Your simplistic deduction of what would've have happened is pointless - you don't know.
At the beginning consoles made absolute sense - they werent watered down PCs, they were insane powerhouses compared to a PC where you could do things you cannot on PC.
Those are not the consoles of today.
>>331011252
>console+smartphone+cheap laptop is all i can get from my mom
fixed for accuracy.
No, we would have lost out on many different independent gems that make PC gaming so great.
Diablo 2, Frontier: Elite 2, Dungeon Keeper, FTL, Civilization series, all RTS games, tactical shooters, CS 1.6, Quake, sandbox MMOs.
PC Gaming has done a lot of great things for gaming, thinking otherwise is just baiting and shitposting. Consoles have also done a lot of good for gaming, and that same rule applies.
>>331011391
All true.
The difference is that consoles no longer do anything good for gaming today, but they do a lot of bad.
>>331011278
also a PC back in the day was a working machine, optimized only for work related software.
problem is that people started needing a computer at home, and people realized computers could also play videogames, why buy two machines when you only need one that you must have anyway?
from a functional point of view, consoles are useless.
>>331011547
the only purpose of consoles from a market point of view is the "toy" factor, kids love them, all toy stores sell them, most games are simplified to aim at the teens and pre-teens mental capacity.
The problem of consoles is that they sell so well (because that stupid kid won't shut up in the mall so their parents buy him the newest playstation) that developers are starting to casualize and making classic PC games multiplatform in order to get some of that "autistic fit of rage" money.
>>331011323
If Microsoft marketed PCs and actually built affordable PCs that could rival a console, then you'd be correct. The average consumer, which is the driving force for not only console gaming but gaming in general, don't give a fuck about the PC side of things. They care about what's marketed to them, and is accessable.
You guys want gaming to be great but forget that the target audience only cares about things that look pretty at a good price point.
>>331011486
Modern PC Gaming also does a lot of harm but console negatives far outweight the positives. Sometimes I wish I had a console so I could play games with my old man, or have friends over to play the Metal Gear series.
Unfortunately, developers and publishers CHOOSE to implement consumer abusive practices and compete to have the best all-in-one box and incite fanboy wars to sell more copies of the latest Halo. I blame Devs/Publishers more than consoles nowadays.
>>331011278
Digital piracy is inevitable
PC gaming is unable to sustain itself since 2005
Even CD Project Red admits they can no longer make games without the console market
In the end the result is always the same PC is death, it implodes, it's financial ruin,
The music industry collapsed
The motion picture industry can survive due to box office gross
Video Games cannot exist with PC alone, it's a digital medium and people won't make multi million up to 100 million dollar investment in digital content to just be shared on the internet there will always be consoles
>>331012158
>Digital piracy is inevitable
>PC gaming is unable to sustain itself since 2005
steam proves you wrong,
devs don't turn to consoles because they can't get profit on PC.
They turn to consoles because that's some sweet extra money for less work, make a game for a console player and at least half of the features can go down the drain, you don't need to work on them anymore, just make sweet ass bullshots and cinematic trailers and the consolefags will be shitting their pants with hype.
>>331012158
Those things are true - in their current context.
When everything is bloated to fucking mountains because theres twenty middlemens taking royalty fees - your words can ring true.
The current PC market (which btw has been sustaining itself incredibly well all these years you stupid fuck) is not the same as the one would be if there are no consoles.
Piracy is extremely easy to deal with and you don't even need Denuvo for it - just some simple, basic online features (or far more robust ones at that), see: Steam and its success.
PC gaming could grow with 99% piracy rates anon, nothing you said would really apply in a scenario when there are no consoles.
>>331011252
You can build a PC for under $1000 that'll last 3-5 years and comes with free online.
Consoles don't have free online so they're actually about $400+$50/year
Then PC games cost less than half of what console games do and if you do the math they really aren't all that different in terms of price.
>>331012439
Nah you're an asshole
I'm 99% sure you have no clue how economic markets function or how the video has transitioned over the past 30 years
>>331012158
That's because modern AAA games are extremely expensive to produce and require a large consumerbase to be profitable, not because of piracy.
>>331012590
>i'm an asshole for using logic and factual statements
/v/
>>331012485
It would be just like the music industry, they would try and fight it, Steam would come and it would be too late, revenue would drop no matter what, at least %50, you PC gamers are cheap jew bastards, you don't wanna pay for shit
>>331008418
as bad as steam is it easily made pc gaming more popular than it was. if had a no drm policy like gog it would have obviously been better for the consumers but then AAA companies probably would have just kept their games off of the platform then. apparently you can't have both a drm-free platform and games from AAA publishers which is what a lot of people want.
>>331012913
if you guys stopped buying every turd that comes out so easily maybe the videogame industry would have some quality.
2 sides of the same coin, faggot.
>>331012913
>just like the music industry
Yeah because video games are enjoyed like music is...
Every market gets a crash now and then anon - console did too unless thats too destructive to your stupid point so you ignore it.
Fact is - the PC market is weak only because the powers out there want it weak - who the fuck would want to make and sell video games for these fuckheads with standards, unwillingness to pay full price for any little thing, who have 20 years of alternatives to your shit game, and are extremely used to getting all new features first - and free ---------- when you can sell to easily controlled donkeys following a simple carrot on a stick to whom you can not only sell video games but ridiculously cheaply produced hardware, online subscribtions, play&charge kits and all that shit - and since nobody can really enter the fray without your approval and can be easily sabotaged through background dealings - its a complete safehaven.
>>331012772
Actually it's both
but it's the reason you won't see big budget PC exclusives like Half Life ever again
Even great games on sale on Steam struggle to break 500k, thats shit when the PS4 version sells for full price and sells potentially 10x as much
>>331009505
Good goy good goy :)
did you remember to purchase your online goy? Theres a new game coming out we are going to make the new price $70 you don't mind though because you are a good goy.
>>331012439
Developers no longer focus on te PC version, they scale it back for consoles and worry about the PC version later cause it matters the least and sells the least
>>331011252
Where do you console shills get this idea that a decent computer is 1500? My tower cost $750 and sure its double a console, but I get free mods and cheaper games. Plus I get to upgrade when I want to not when Sony and Microsoft say I can.
Plus its not just for gaming you dimbus, desktops are naturally better for work than laptops ALWAYS.
>>331011252
>from a consumer standpoint
Where do they teach you that?
In the ad blocks between youtube flicks?
>>331013471
they scale it back for consoles because it's cheap, easy money.
you faggots will eat any piece of shit a developer throws at you as long as graphics are pretty on a 19" crt tv from 10 meters away.
>>331013267
Fuckin Microssoft thanks for introducing paid online to the console market, PS2 and PS3 had free online until the MICROJEWS mettled
>>331013694
you guys are still paying for shit like that, can you really blame microsoft?
absolutely not
the video game industry might never have pulled out of the atari crash
Sure, if you eliminate the most consumer friendly, best experience platform then the worst, most consumer unfriendly platform would elevate itself.
That makes sense.
>>331013224
jew corparations in charge of gaming
>lets make a cheap locked down pc and sell it for a minimal profit. we'll make our money on the software and licensing
>why the fuck are we making so many games? the more we make the more we saturate the market
>we could just make fewer games since they've already invested in the hardware they're going to need to buy software either way.
>why are we paying all this money to make good games? they've shown they are going to buy software to justify their hardware purchase either way.
i don't know. i just don't know.
>>331013678
But they don't make 2 versions of the game, you get a console game renderd in 4k 60fps with slightly better shadows , you don't understand game development, you pay out the ass for expensive PC components but you will never fully utilize it because the game was targeting consoles, if it's not fully optimized for PC you're fucked and no games are fully optimized for PC any longer, modern high end rigs have the potential to go well beyond Crysis 3 with ease but you're not going to see it cause devs are making games for consoles, making a game that can only run on PC is financial suicide
>>331006162
>DUDE HALO LMAO
>DUDE BLOODBORNE LMAO
>DUDE MARIO LMAO
>Good communities
>>331007313
>anything that purposely brings down the quality level of /v/
So also most every thread on /v/ these days?
>pc exclusives threads
>civilized euro truck simulator threads
>civilized grand strategy threads
>civilized fps game threads
>console exclusive threads
>fps/souls threads
>LOL NEVER EVER
>anime reaction images
>bullshots of console x vs console y
>cinematic trailers
>60fps is a myth!
>lol pc gaeman sucks!!! LOOK AT MY EXCLUSIVE
>bullshots again