I have $15.34 in my steam wallet.
Company of Heroes and Company of Heroes 2 are both currently on sale on steam. I've never played any game from this franchise and I was wondering if there is anyone here could advise me on what to purchase?
1. Should I buy Company of Heroes Complete Pack for $9.24 ?
2. Should I buy the Company of Heroes 2: Master Collection for $14.99 ?
3. Should I ignore the collections and just buy Company of Heroes for $4.99 and Company of Heroes 2 for $8.74 (= $13.74 for both) ?
Please respond
do option 3, both are good games. buy expansions later.
>>330760172
Which game is better?
>>330759883
im pretty sure you can get both of them at half the price on g2a
>>330759883
isn't CoH2 riddled with microtransactions?
>>330759883
Wait for a sale on CoH2. It has huge balance issues right now and you need to pay at least $10 for p2w DLC if you want to stand a chance in multiplayer.
CoH has dead multiplayer, so don't buy if that's what youre looking for.
>>330760382
http://steamcommunity.com/id/RedMenacesURL/
add me on steam, if you don't want to. The campaign for both games are really good, two focus's on russians more but there is a usa expansion. two doesn't have as much base building and the way units are brought onto the battle is different like instead of coming from a building they come from off the side of the map. two has updated graphics, more community I believe? both are good, is up to you really but I would go with two.
>>330760486
no, for skins yeah but those are memes
>>330760581
>no, for skins yeah but those are memes
CoH2 has tons of p2w commanders.
In fact, Brits literally just got a new P2W commander last patch.
>>330760382
Depends what you like
CoH2 is pretty much the same game play as the first one, just better graphics.
But if you like D-Day and the western Europe scene, play CoH.
If you like Russia, play 2.
Also multiplayer for CoH is dead, so if you want that get 2.
>>330760640
ah sorry, I haven't kept up to date with it very well I'm going from memory
>>330760640
yeah I was thinking of buying the game at one point and when I was doing my research, this turned me off immediatly.
Ive dealt with enough of those games. no matter how good it seems, any P2W in a game that isn't free is the biggest sign of a shitty dev and like history has told us, they will only get shittier
>>330760581
>Vac banned
into the trash you go
>>330760813
:( We all make mistakes anon, vac is for mw2 zombie modding
>>330760581
>vac ban
which game, anon?
>>330760640
Expect I own those fuckers all day.
No CO is OP right now unless you are a 4vs4 shitter.
>>330760640
>>330760809
All of those can be drop by playing.
I actually got one last week.
Buying them is pointless anyway because standard ones are the meta.
>>330761083
>>330760809
any P2W in a game that isn't free is the biggest sign of a shitty dev and like history has told us, they will only get shittier
he has a point and it's probably going to happen to CoH at some point. it's only going to get worst, anon.Be ready. You can't stop it.
>>330761197
Of course it will get worse because it never gets better.
I just want to play a populated RTS without old guard shitting on me.
Which CoH games should I get if I'm interested in campaign?
Can I just buy Tales of Valor? Will I have access to all factions?
>>330759883
Stay away from CoH2. It's pretty much just CoH1 with less fun shit and more microtransactions.
Fairly certain you can get CoH1 cheaper though.
Hell I've had them in my steam inventory for like 3 years.
>>330760857
prove it
>>330761517
Yeah, but multiplayer is dead. You'll play through it 2 times, tops.
>>330760937
>Expect I own those fuckers all day.
Really? You don't remember shit like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLUK_UZoHW0
?
>>330761083
>All of those can be drop by playing.
War Spoils?
The chances of dropping a CO you want/need are very low. If you look at the forums, people play for like 500 hours and only get 1 CO drop. It's bullshit to rely on RNG.
>>330761665
>Soviet Meme not a meme commander
>oh no a t-70! Why I cant use the best soft counter to paralyze it and then finish of with 2 cheaper 222!
At the time soviet tanks were scary because they did not had scatter on the move.
Compare this with German Elite that turned at CP 11 1vs1 into Boss Rush.
>It's bullshit to rely on RNG.
>not getting 2 CO's for 1 match
:^)
>>330761665
Holy fugg, don't get me started on CoH2 balance. The game has been hilariously german sided since pretty much release, and despite serial buffs patch to patch, it's still not exactly good. Soviet are winning in 1v1 shit now because they literally replace conscript groups with maxims. Conscripts are total ass and have been since volks got their 2+ damage on rifles
What the honest fuck is this balance anyway? Allied factions have no decent anti-armor on infantry at all. Bazookas are complete shit with no damage, and Piats miss so often it's a fucking joke. Not only that, soviet has to go side-tech to get their infantry-to-tank snare, USF has to vet their infantry, and brits don't even have any. To top it off wehrmacht gets it's snare ABSOLUTELY TECH-FREE. And panzerschrecks are the undisputed god among infantry anti-vehicle options. And mainline infantry on both german factions can use it with minimal tech additions.
Allied early tanks exist to deal with early german armor, but they have the double-whammy of dealing with both infantry and armor doing damage to it. And each vehicle only really excels at one of the two. So they get rekt. Absolutely insane.
>>330759883
I recommend CoH 2 because it has many gameplay and user interface improvements so it's more streamlined to play. (Soldiers couldn't jump over fences in CoH 1 for example) The devs are still adding shit and balancing the game. True, they often break stuff with updates, but they patch the bugs and nerf OP units. The mod community is also active and mods are integrated with steam workshop.
As for the P2W issue, I have gotten several commanders as drops and they have given them out on occasion. True, it's annoying when you can't use all the fun call-in units, but you already have viable alternatives available. Also you can currently get duplicate commanders and items but that is probably going to change as:
There is currently a closed alpha for a new warspoils system, where, rumor has it, they are making getting commanders and skins for free much less frustrating. But it's a few months off.
I enjoy the game, as I've played almost 900 hours. Mostly multiplayer, but a little of the campaign and the challenge missions.
>>330761284
>I just want to play a populated RTS
Play Supreme Commander FA with FaF
Or C&C
>>330763367
Sounds like a "learn-to-play" issue. Your post looks very subjective in the way that you've probably gotten your ass handed to you a bit too much because you can't deal with shreks. I've actually avoided playing germans for a few months because of the "hilariously german sided" british artillery cover ability for example until they nerfed it.
My winrates are near the 50% mark with all factions so I don't see the issue.
>>330764065
I'd say my gripes are entirely biased because I actually only play 3v3 or 4v4, so I should probably not even say anything, but god damn does it feel fucked when actually playing those brackets. Still, I'd say the schreck shit is seriously stupid, as well as the free snare for wehr. Doesn't help that they buffed the 222, which in recent times has actually already seen increased usage, with some nasty hp buffs, making it nigh impossible to shoot down with small arms fire. It now requires at least a zook or piat to deal with, or a snare and decent firepower to follow up. And that's against a vehicle that is pretty damn good against infantry and absolutely devastating for any kind of light vehicle. For brits though, the AEC does deal with it, but the thing is SO FUCKING CHEAP. 210 mp and 15 fucking fuel. That's as much as the universal carrier the brits can FUCKING OPEN WITH costs, before the fuel cost removal. HOLY FUCK I hate that thing. And honestly, I've played as the german factions and it's so much more relaxing to play, because it feels like I have fucking options in almost all situations. Maybe not easier or better to play all things considered, but god damn is it at least not making me want to kill myself. Too bad my buddy that actually wants to play the damn game refuses to play as germans.
How to git gud at this game and other RTSes
I constantly get my shit pushed in because things are happening all at the same time and I can't keep up with things
Also, how to counter mortar without using mortars themselves?
>>330765046
Snipers or Jeeps/Motorcycles
>>330763469
>I have gotten several commanders as drops
I've played for an extra 100 hours and haven't gotten the good commander that made USF viable last patch (Pershing/Calliope). Like I said, it's completely RNGjesus bullshit that shouldn't happen. Duplicates, as you mentioned, are cancer as fuck too. You should not have to invest so much time into a game just for a chance at a DLC item that makes you competitive.
There's also the issue with Relic's awful balancing and how they often nerf COs, but rarely buff them later. Tons of COs have been nerfed into uselessness now which is a waste of a hard earned $5.
The system needs to be completely changed until I can recommend this game to anyone in good conscience.
>>330759883
Get first CoH trilogy with it you will get tons of tech and units.
MP is not dead and anyway, its much better when it comes to general mood of the game.
As much as I hate US liberated us all trope its still better than "le ebil ruskies" in CoH2.
There are many mods to chose and despite the age game look stunningif you are a graphics whore
>>330763629
You missed the part about old guard.
>>330765008
The panzefaust snare ability actually requires you to build the first tier building, which can be skipped in some situations (ostruppen). So it's not exactly free. Maybe they should bundle molotovs with at-grenades.
>>330759883
CoH 2 has a playerbase
CoH has a playerbase of autistic nostalgiafags
>>330767041
Fair point I suppose, but any actual strategy that would work without the first tech building is a sign the game is dumb in another way anyway, seeing as that would limit the early game to only osttruppen and MG's, and if that's all that's needed to set up the early game I'd be pissed regardless. But yes, bundling at and molotov would alleviate a part of the problem, but I would personally love to see another infantry-to-armor option for soviets besides tank hunter commander with their anti-tank rifles, and also to buff the zook and piat a bit so they can actually hurt end-game german armor.
How is the Ardennes Assault expansion?
$7.50 does seem like a good deal
>>330768035
Well
It gives you access to extra random bulletin drops for finishing it.
Both for SP and MP.
Quite interesting and has replay value but I wish they bundled it with new factions into one expansion.
>>330767638
Partisan tank hunters spawn with a shrek if I remember correctly, and are available in one of the basic commanders.
CoH 2 runs like ass, and it's business model is atrocious DLC shoveling.
CoH 1 still has good graphics to this day.
>>330768035
Its gameplay feels like crash of Tales of valor SP with Dark Crusade SP.
>>330765046
With all RTS, you have to learn how to type.
That's it, that's all it is. All Real Time Strategy is a typing contest. Each RTS is a new language you have to learn how to type. 90% of the time, if your losing an RTS, it's because you're opponent knows the keyboard shortcuts much better than you.
how2USofA in CoH2?
>>330763367
>>330765008
I've always viewed the CoH2 as the developers relatively subtle anti-russian agenda (not that I mind, soviets were assholes to everyone back then) thanks to the recently flared up cold war we're having again.
Wouldn't be surprised at all if we're seeing new achievements or events that are based around defeating soviets certain number of times in given timespan or killing this and this much soviet troops and vehicles.
>>330759883
If you're interested in single player, COH2 is an absolute piece of shit compared to COH. However, if you're interested in multiplayer, COH2 is bad and active, while COH is good and dead.
>>330768779
Rifle company or Air general.
>riflemen
>riflemen
>riflemen
>zooks
>zooks
>zooks
Hold out until Jackson.
>>330768779
Usually
>Rifles
>more Rifles
>get Captain for soft counter them tanks
>get AT piece for hard counter of tanks
>if enemy is entrenched get some howitzers
>if the enemy is mobile get bars/bazookas
>from this point rush Jacksons
>>330768790
>I've always viewed the CoH2 as the developers relatively subtle anti-russian agenda
Nothing subtle about the anti-soviet propaganda in CoH2, brah. I mean, even if you give them a pass on shit like "Pick up a gun from the dead!" and skipping all the important battles of the front (kursk, pavlov's house, red October factory, Mamayev Kurgan etc.)... and also giving them a pass on having like three or four entire missions where political officers or other commanders deliberately try to fuck you over for reasons....
You still have the fact while COH was about real American units, battles and characters, for COH2 they invented a completely fictional character who commands a fictional unit who ends up on death row in the gulags by the end of the game. Fucking ridiculous.
>>330768779
In a good spot in 1v1 right now but arguably the most challenging to play since a single mistake can cost you the game.
Absolutely dogshit in 2v2 and beyond since they have no late game options.
>>330769537
well in my opinion they have all the right to shit on russians
they literally back-stabbed and killed off almost all the resistance movements in the eastern europe when the war was over
>>330770043
>they literally back-stabbed and killed off almost all the resistance movements in the eastern europe when the war was over
They showed that in COH2 by literally having a political officer walk up and execute a polish hero character.
Let's not forget that COH also had two different german campaigns where the german stormtroopers and tiger aces were the 'good' guys. Think about that, relic is so biased against the soviets that they portrayed actual NAZIS in a better light than them.
>>330768790
Whatever, I mean, you really think that the soviet union valued people as individuals and didn't take drastic measures to reach their ultimate goals, as it is portrayed in some of ww2 games featuring them?
It's just not about some cold war bs, even up to the collapse of USSR (Mostly), they viewed the populace as a single entity - mass of socialistic workers, which had to give the party 100% obedience, the story of Pavlik Morozov, who ratted his own father out to a section under NKVD for the sake of the Motherland, was widely popularised.
>>330770043
>So lets create movies and games and write books in which trough imaginary scenarios we depict ruskies as barely human.
Being from Poland I know there are nuances to everything that went down during and after the war.
My main gripe is the fact that they went straight intellectually dishonest just to shit on ruskies.
You know its one hell of a propaganda when you actually root for the nazis...
>>330759883
First CoH is good, dlcs and CoH2 are down the drain.
>>330770487
>portrayed actual NAZIS in a better light than them.
Becuz its true desu
>>330770487
Yeah and they also showed americans mowing down retreating nazis in COH, so what the fuck is this cherrypicking.
I don't also recall nazis ever being the "good guys", the market garden campaign? Yeah, they heavily emphasized that some germans, especially wehrmacht, stood for the country and the people, not for the ideals and the standards set by NSDAP.
Also I don't believe why you view soviets in a better light than nazis, i think soviets are on par if not worse, mostly though - both of the ideoligical leaders and their followers were fucked up, but as I see it, the main bulk of soviet army were much worse when it comes to crimes/looting, etc, which can be read in many stories from inhabitants of countries that experienced both Nazi and Soviet boots stomping over them.
>>330770609
>Being THIS brainwashed.
None of the militaries fighting in world war 2 valued their soldiers as individuals, especially not the germans or the japanese.
Everyone spent their troops like spare change.
Everyone bombed civilians.
Everyone put their own citizens in concentration camps if they had the wrong ancestry.
It was war.
>>330759883
I'm probably too late but here's my advice:
Get CoH with all the DLCs. The campaign missions are alot of fun across all expansions. There still a decent amount of lobbies left in multiplayer well, and has decent balance. It's more of a classic RTS.
CoH2, while it has a larger MP population, isn't balanced so well. The SP Campaign is utter dogshit, don't bother playing it. There's lots of stupid meta bullshit ontop of the unbalance, and the commander/drop system is poorly done. Some of the DLC commanders are brutally OP, while others are worthless.
In the end, CoH is the better game, and it has more mods for it, primarily the Blitzkrieg mod.
>>330768790
>>330769537
CoH1 was very subtle. All the American units say stuff like: " gogogog" " roger that sir" With only a slightly stereotypical drillmasters accent.
While all German units complain constantly in heavy thick German/english.
>>330771362
>being THIS uneducated
Don't you know at least the basic differences to how the soviets managed their troops and tactics when it came to expending them when compared to other sides in war?
All that shit in COH2 with running conscripts in the meatgrinder was specific to USSR, without it they probably wouldn't have made so much of a progress still.
>>330771008
Only in the mind of people that get their share of history trough similarly made work of fiction.
Everything from color palette (you know this muddy brown dark colors and piss filter that makes you feel like you just crawled trough gutter) to the cliche behaviour of the ruskies was designed to make you feel dirty by just looking at it and they succeeded.
That is mainly why I prefer first game, I dont feel dirty by just playing it.
Its ridiculous how many soviet/ruskies cliche were packed in CoH2, its like I seen it all at one point or another starting from tone of the voice to facial expression and unreasonable killing off people, weird enough most of those cliches originated in the books, games and movies made mainly in US.
>>330771339
>they also showed americans mowing down retreating nazis in COH
I remember this scene and somehow that didnt triggered anything in me, I remember it was done to hold the town, they new germans would come back, they just had to improve their chances any way they could.
Its a difference when its done out of need, unlike CoH2 where character motivation was "reasons" and some religious zeal.
Its just a matter of how you depicting it.
>>330772132
This part is true, they just threw everything they have which were people and zerg rushed enemies.
That said you can show it in many ways.
You can show it as B/W movie with narrator explaining what is going on in calm voice without moral judgement, history book style or you can do it as CoH2 did, trough emotionally loaded cutscene which is amalgamation of ever soviet cliche that ever existed taken one step further.
oh boy a pseudo-/his/ thread
Did snipers sometimes specifically shoot combat medics during times of war despite the Geneva Convention? Snipers are usually employed to dispatch high-priority targets, right?
>>330771339
The germans treated the russian people well who had held on to their christian religion despite the state-imposed atheism.
It was quite disheartening to read on when the towns were liberated by the soviet forces, their entire civilian populations were sent straight in to the gulags if not just lined up and shot immediately.
The first one and its expansions is one of the best videogame you'll ever play. Doesn't matter if you're into WW2 stuff, it's fucking incredible.
The second is kinda dull.
>>330772747
No, because every wounded soldier takes two to drag them to the medic and every medic means time, resources and transportation spent on wounded and away from actual fighting.
>>330771008
>back to /pol/
>>330771339
>I don't also recall nazis ever being the "good guys", the market garden campaign?
They and the tiger ace crew were the good guys on account of the fact that neither storyline featured any warcrimes or mistreatment of their own forces at all (fyi, shooting retreating troops is not illegal).
Meanwhile, the soviet campaign featured multiple war-crimes, numerous instances of political officers murdering their own troops (the germans also had these), other commanders whose buffoonery or sabotage fucked you over, a main character being murdered by your own forces and a fictional storyline where the player character pissed off the NKVD and became a political prisoner before being rescued from execution by a war buddy. The nazis were portrayed as squeaky clean, despite being the badguys of the war and doing exactly the same sorts of crimes as the soviets in reality.
>the main bulk of soviet army were much worse when it comes to crimes/looting,
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.
The soviets fucked over eastern Europe and raped germany, but compared to the level of atrocities committed by the Germans? Not even comparable.
Belorussia lost 25% of it's total population (mostly civilian) due to german reprisals and general looting/rape.
60% of civilians in Warsaw were killed after Poland surrendered.
etc.
You are on some next level revisionist history if you think that the germans were equally as bad as the soviets and then some.
>>330772132
>Don't you know at least the basic differences to how the soviets managed their troops and tactics when it came to expending them when compared to other sides in war?
Do you? Can you even name the battle strategy that soviet commanders used?
>>330772651
>This part is true, they just threw everything they have which were people and zerg rushed enemies.
The soviets did not use human wave tactics, this is a post war propaganda myth, just like the one gun to two men (as seen on tv).
>>330772651
If you understand russian, this is a good watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VpA7dH5h-4
>>330773240
>BadComedian
>>330772892
Oh, so having woundeds on the enemy team is more preferable than killing them?
It makes sense since the more people are tending to each other's wounds there'd be less people actually fighting. Would you shoot those that are carrying the woundeds though?
>>330773389
The video openly refutes BadComedian, and digs up soviet documents proving the horrifying events depicted in the CoH2 campaign.
>>330772747
High priority as in officers and other snipers.
Medics are protected by Geneva and nobody bothered to shoot the medics because you don't heal in 5-10 secs.
>>330775759
>Nobody specifically targeted medics
Confirmed for never opening a book.
>>330773389
>le proofs maymay XD
>>330759883
Get CoH 1
Played the game for years, played it for more years because of 10/10 mods
Also CoH+Blitzkrieg/EF mod > CoH2
>Fox company has some pretty interesting units for campaign
>It's locked behind a paywall
>>330777260
>you can't even use Monte Durant as a Ranger Company for MP or anything
>you can't use anything for multiplayer except some bloody skins that anyone can get
