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>>330421242
LOL so this is the power of episodic releases?
>>330421242
Tbf the part before the mirror was kinda cool, one too many games would have them notice you
>Vester Lee Flanagan
>>330421242
What happens on professional mode?
>CRIME NOTICED
>COMPROMISED
>GUNSHOT HEARD
>NON-TARGET KILLED
What am I looking at?
>>330421242
There's absolutely no reason those girls should have noticed him in the beginning. Their backs are turned and they're having a conversation.
No excuse for the mirror though.
>>330421242
Hey I saw it on reddit gaming too!
>>330421460
you're saying they should not have you noticed?
>>330421963
ye, read what this guy said>>330421550
>>330421242
>dat 1930's graphics
Seriously these bastards neet to be electrocuted and castrated.
>>330421550
>No excuse for the mirror though.
THere's never been a game where characters LOS increased to reflections, may not be for a while. You're basically asking them to change character LOS from a simulated arc to full ray-tracing, the computational intensity would jump exponentially for an effect you'll see almost never.
>>330422952
If computers are so good why can't they even simulate real life?
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>>330422952
there was literally a guard in Deus ex staring at a mirror in the bathroom who would notice you creeping up on him. maybe they just gave that dude 360 vision but no reason Hitman couldn't do it either.
>>330423151
I think its because of how deus ex handled reflections
>>330422952
It doesn't need to be that complicated. Just have another LOS actor with a smaller arc that links to the nearest NPC(s) within that arc.
If this were directed by an anal guy like Kojima, it would surely be in.
>>330423151
Well they guy in Hitman was walking around so he'd be walking away from the mirror too so having his field of vision change all the time would be bothersome. Did the guy in Deus ex move away from the mirror at any time? Because if so, cudos to them for taking the extra step.
>>330423315
I suppose thats true, although Kojima would take it in the other direction where he'd have a ton of small details added in and then forget to make the last 3rd of the game.
Mirror LoS is not a technological barrier (it has been done before and it's very easy), but rather a gameplay thing. People are too stupid to realize that mirrors work, so they'd blame the game for bullshit moves.
>>330422952
>THere's never been a game where characters LOS increased to reflections
Hitman: Blood Money
>>330423373
No, I remember he stood perfectly still, didn't think about that.
>>330422952
Just make the other side of the mirror a seperate room with a duplicate of every character so as you appear in the mirror's reflection your duplicate loads in which your target sees and turns around.
Hitman series tier list. Go.
S:
Blood Money, Silent Assassin
A:
Contracts
B:
Absolution, Codename 47
>>330423762
only thing SA did better than Contracts was music.
>>330421486
Things that can be disabled.
>>330423696
That technique was used in the past where models were low poly and there were no postprocessing effects.
Nowadays, it's inefficient as fuck and drains resources for little gain.
>>330423696
>just
>>330422952
sounds like rubbish. also, couldn't you just fake it? like have it be a room instead of reflecting it? that's what silent hill did.
>>330423861
you mean like thief 4? :)
>>330421242
>people are literally defending this
There is no hope for this generation.
>>330423942
What if there's an actual room behind the mirrored wall though?
>>330424000
Haven't played Thief so I don't know, but you can pretty much every aspect of the HUD off in this game.
>>330423895
huh. so what's the point of all this fancy new hardware then? can't even handle something that was trivial not long ago.
>>330423762
S: Blood Money
A: Contracts
B: Silent Assassin
D: Absoluteshit
E: Codename Evenfuckingworse 47
>>330424107
remove it and replace it with what's supposed to be there, when the player passes a certain point.
>there will never be a game that can render two mirrors facing each other.
>>330424184
so just a black abyss?
>>330422952
Blame consoles then.
Jesus that UI is garbage. Are consoles incapable of proper font rendering?
>>330424112
Google 'mirrors in video games' for more in-depth explanations.
Level design is also an issue. If you have a fake room behind each mirror, then you can't put actual usable rooms behind them.
>>330423812
>>330424152
SA has a certain charm for me which is why I had it higher. I really liked the gritty feel of Contracts though.
>>330422952
I'm pretty sure I remember that happening in Blood Money
>>330424317
FXAA because consoles.
>>330424317
>Jesus that UI is garbage
It's absolutely not, and it shouldn't matter to you anyway because all veteran Hitman players will turn almost all of the assistive settings (as I have) off.
>>330421895
Nigga that's Robbaz
He's a cool youtube dude
>>330422952
You're so god damn retarded.
>>330424458
>youtube memester playing a game like hitman
I can imagine the terribly forced humour already.
>>330422952
Retards like you are why games run like shit these days.
>>330423942
Yes, it can be "faked" pretty easily without expensive techniques
And for a game like this they should have done it as well
>>330421242
hi Robbaz!
>>330421242
This game does not look next gen graphically. It looks worse than Bloodborne for fuck's sake
>>330424317
>>330424426
That's from the PC version.
>>330422952
>muh processing power
Fuck you, dev apologist. All you'd have to do is let them detect the model created for the reflection.
>>330424537
Robbaz is pretty ok, he's a bit of a spaz but not the forced pewtipie type of spaz
>>330424612
>easily
>>330423090
If computers are so good why can't they even simulate real life?
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>>330421242
I don't see why they can't just hardcode NPCs to gain vision behind them when looking into a mirror. It seems it would be very simple.
If vision see mirror then 180 vision = true
>>330422952
what is the "mirror" is just a window to a copy of the room with an npc acting mirrored to the first npc, the mirror npc line of sight is as valid as any other npc, your character model can also be mirrored on the other side easily
i bet its just how they do it but htye didnt give the "reflection" npc a line of sight
>>330424839
It is though
If a mirror is inside the cone you cast a new cone from the mirror according to the head/mirror positions
>>330424839
>posts a picture of todd howard
fitting
Just take a real time video recording of the scene from the position of the mirror as if you're "LOLSTREAMING" and paste it into the mirror
>>330425101
Maybe you should help them out since you seem so knowledgeable.
>>330424345
why not?
wouldn't it just need to be designed where there's enough space/time for you to make a swap? games do this all the time with weirdly long elevator rides/hallways, etc.
plus, games like portal.
>>330425101
It's no problem from a technical perspective, but they are incompetent and are probably happy they managed to have working mirrors
>>330421470
Underfuckingrated.
>>330425101
Holy shit you're dense, do you even understand how a mirror works?
Do yourself a favour and go and stare into a mirror from an angle.
>/v/ WILL DEFEND THIS
anyone stare into a mirror in a dimly lit room?
>>330422952
Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory.
>Everybody here cock riding blood money and deriding the AI in this game has never seen a Blood money speed run
>Everyone here pretends Blood Money had god tier AI
>Everyone pretends any stealth game has perfect AI
>Guy with webms just showing everyone he's retarded
>Soon we'll get "IT'S EARLY ACCESS" shitposter despite the fact he has no clue what early access means
>More nostalgia fags that simply cheer for Blood Money's map showing you where everyone was, being exactly the same as instinct in this game, but since it's in Blood Money it's okay.
But it's okay, they'll just call me shills for shedding light on how retarded they are.
https://youtu.be/M_xeJlp02N4
>>330425946
Yup. Also I don't remember if it was in BM, but in Contracts NPCs completely ignored mirrors.
>>330425946
You know m8 if you've been in every thread as I have you would actually care about the trigger basis for the AI and the fact explosives clear you of all charges temporarily and outfit swaps clear you of all charges no matter what
>>330425946
Blood money wasnt good because it had good AI, it was good because of the true range of options you were given to complete a mission.
>>330426084
Webm also happens in BM.
>>330422952
Do you even know how mirrors work in a game? They're pretty expensive, but not as expensive as you are talking.
>>330424317
No, it's just a lack of talent coupled with the release model forcing them to release it in a beta (true beta, not corporate-speak beta) state.
Look at MGSV, that game had excellent minimalist UI.
>>330426208
Nope. They see you throwing the mine they'll attack instantly
>>330426845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrvxxwrrlVA
>>330422952
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory and Hitman Blood Money both had it.
>>330423428
Well, Kojima's autism is productive, but it needs to be reigned in. He'd be a good assistant programmer, or adviser.
>>330426084
To be fair at a party I'm not sure many people would be concerned about some small box that was thrown in the middle of a crowd.
>>330425946
no one pretended BM had good AI. know what though? BM came out 10 years ago.
>>330421242
Is this Fallout 3?
>>330425537
Don't be stupid.
All that work just to implement your shitty hack. Just do it with invisible actors like here: >>330423315
>>330426084
that's depressing.
like seeing your childhood friend raped in front of your eyes.
>>330427464
It's like you're pretending it didn't happen in BM.
>>330427451
>Don't be stupid.
don't EVER tell me what to do.
>>330427523
see>>330427382
what does this have to offer new to the series? besides this awful episodic nonsense and online shit?
>>330427587
I don't see how it's like "rapeing your friend" when exact thing happened earlier in "pre-rape" phase.
>>330427191
You do know the crowd in murder of crows aren't normal NPCs, right?
>>330423895
Why do people keep using this shitty argument? It's like you're completely oblivious to the fact that old games used to push hardware to the limits with their now outdated graphical effects, just as much as modern games do with modern hardware.
>>330427191
Jesus that much NPCs in a 10 year old game damn that game is hot shit
>>330421242
FULL GAME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSx288e0w2k
>under 2 hours
kek.
>people will defend this
>>330423151
that's because in DE there is actual geometry behind the mirror, this is just a shader..
>>330427587
>implying it has to add anything new
And then you unironically ask for BM 2.0. People like you are actually brain damaged.
>>330428143
>full game
>one mission
>>330428143
FULL GAME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_xeJlp02N4
>under 30 mins
haha
>people still think highly of this game
>>330428143
Aren't there 3 maps in the first release?
>>330428221
>>330428240
DAMAGE CONTROL
>>330428310
He is right thought. This game has been advertised as episodic for quite some time now. They also announced that the "complete" game will be released at retail in Q3-Q4.
Shitposters get lazier and more ignorant by the day, it seems.
>>330428142
Not if you examine their models closely. They also have very simplified behavior.
![dvd_snapshot_01.57.10_[2016.03.03_18.35.59].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/S62IShP.jpg "dvd_snapshot_01.57.10_[2016.03.03_18.35.59].jpg")
Anyone who played the actual game here? How are the gameplay mechanics and A.I. in comparison to Blood Money? Improved? Have they added anything new to it or is it more of the same?
I heard that targets don't start moving at the start of the level but once you hti some trigger point in the map/field, please tell me it ain't so
How dynamic are the missions, A.I.?
>>330428464
It's cool to hate on new things.
Back when Blacklist was new, even if you said just one good thing about it you were instatlly called out a shill and it was considered Conviction 2.0
Now that people actually played it, there quite a lot of anons considering it the second best SC.
>>330428680
>I heard that targets don't start moving at the start of the level but once you hti some trigger point in the map/field, please tell me it ain't so
It is. many behaviors don't happen until you're within a certain proximity of the actor,.
>>330428821
>It is. many behaviors don't happen until you're within a certain proximity of the actor,.
FUCKING hell that is not good goddamn
>>330428821
For Paris there is allegedly only one trigger, once you enter the building or the gardens it'll begin the fashion show which is on a timer as before.
The proximity triggers are for NPC conversations, so background NPCs that start a conversation when you're close by and then move on when finished. Not ideal but considering they're just background NPCs on a mission where there's 300 of them it doesn't make too much of a difference.
>>330428946
Yeah I was mainly referring to how target moves if I stay at my respawn/start point (does he move or do I need to move in order for him to start moving)
>>330429089
From what I've been told the woman target moves around upstairs independently, the guy goes down the stairs dramatically only when you're inside the building or on the building grounds. Once he does that he moves around independently, the models start walking on the catwalk.
After a certain amount of time the show comes to a close and he goes up on stage, this appears to be a once-off event that happens after a certain period of time. It may be possible to delay or speed up when this happens through opportunities, I don't know.
From what I know there are opportunities that modify the target's schedule but they don't stand around waiting for you to get close enough.
Stealth-assassination games should've ended at Chaos Theory, that game was fantastic
>>330421242
why does every game have fucking hitmarkers now?
>>330424152
>E: Codename Evenfuckingworse 47
The Fuchs Bros. mission is probably one of the best in the serious
Is it's composer even close to as good as Jesper Kyed?
>>330431118
The in-game music is forgettable, the trailer music is absolutely based though, so it's hard to say.
>>330429441
What's the problem?
>>330425674
Obviously if they're not standing directly in front of it they wouldn't gain the vision. You can still easily code in a certain area where if they face the mirror at a certain direction they can also see directly behind them.
Like this doesn't even have to be related to the mirror, they could just code in certain areas that when the AI stands in them and faces a certain way they can see differently.
>>330424000
you can set your own difficulty in T4ffer up to failing the entire level on discovery, i don't see the problem
>>330428143
>>under 2 hours
Good, that means i will be able to finish and refund it
>>330427464
>>330427382
Jesus, videogaming "community" is going to get even worse, isn't it? To the retards we have now we'll get more and more nostalgiafags.
>>330428143
>under 2 hours
>people will defend this
You mean refund this.
How long is this game? How many levels in it?
>>330431204
The trailer music was composed by Kyd but for some reason they didn't use him for the full game.
>>330428751
>Now that people actually played it, there quite a lot of anons considering it the second best SC.
Let's not talk shit here, the best thing I can say is "It's better than Conviction and DA", by no means it was better than the first 3
>>330422952
They did in Splinter Cell. Can remember assholes in Chaos Theory Bath House and Double Agent Shanghai Hotel seeing me in their respective mirrors and fucking me over in it
Pretty sure there's also a cop in Hitman Contracts showering and checking himself out in a mirror who also spots you if you stand up behind him while he's using it, too
>>330432580
It's not a game, it's a platform.
>>330432175
this
It is like a new level of gaming.
>>330432734
Thanks Square Enix, so how long is it
>>330431972
it just feels like a weird attempt to copy call of duty. it's an unnecessary feature in a singleplayer game, and especially one with a focus on stealth rather than gunplay.
it's not really a big deal, it's just kind of bugged me since i've started seeing it in more and more games for seemingly no reason other than to copy something successful.
>>330432678
also that first mission bjarkov bomb with that skimask guy having a shit, he'd see you try to fiber him from behind if as he was washing his dick at the sink afterwards
Kind of getting interested in this Hitman game. But I'm old fashioned and wanna wait for the full retail release.
>HITMAN®™ has functioning mirrors
INSTANT GOTY
>>330423861
Thank god
>>330432772
It probably depends on how much you like fucking around with the different ways you can kill someone. I managed to get around 10 hours out of the beta which just included the tutorial levels. From what I've seen the Paris level is much bigger than those levels so take that as you will.
>>330422952
There are less intensive ways of doing it
>>330431972
They're unnecessary, especially in a singleplayer game. They're only add them because they're in call of duty and other FPS games like that.
>>330423151
how hard would it be to give them say a 90' or 120' cone of view on the front and back and the same for behind them if looking at a mirror
