http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/microsoft-monopolise-pc-games-development-epic-games-gears-of-war
What can we do about MS trying once again to clamp down on PC as a platform?
Not getting windows 10 i guess.
They wont be able to tho. Releasing games just for windows 10 on the windows store is a death sentence so only microsoft will be doing it.
>>329673101
Can't it's too late. Dx12 is mantle so Nvidia has the monopoly. Windows os and intel have the monopoly over amd/linux. Steam os failed. Windows 10 store has exclusives. Maybe vulkan but it's too early to tell. It's closed as consoles anymore
>>329673241
I guess this will probably come full circle like uplay did when they had the release lag between Ubi games on uplay and then on Steam. They probably saw the sales dip be so low that they couldn't afford not to release on Steam as well.
>>329673436
>Windows 10 store has exclusives
GFWL had exclusives too and look how good that went.
>>329673101
>even more exclusives instead of less
christ
that said, i dont think it will work out, just imagine all the money they're losing on not releasing for alternative/dated platforms
only an idiot would buy something from the window 10 store
the games are crippled and when microsoft abandons it in a few years you'll lose the game forever
can't imagine too many devs want to jump on board either, since they just got done spending all that money replacing GFWL features with Steam
>>329673101
>hecan'tkeepgettingawaywithit.jpg
JESUS!
>>329673986
you mean all those shit games that were pirate worthy at best?
>>329677083
Like Dark Souls?
Nah, fuck Steam. I'm going full Microdude this time around. I really like the idea of cross platform play.
>>329673241
this
also, make good ports
dont try to blame pirates for your own failures as a developer/publisher
Notice how nobody at all care about Gears on PC.
never forget
>>329673436
What the fuck are you saying
>>329678730
goddamn it the fact that gamers not only swallow this shit constantly but act as a PR team defending corporations for shitty business practices is just proof the consumer has lost
ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWER
>>329677083
Sounds exactly like Windows 10 Store
>>329673101
>PC as a platform?
What is this even supposed to mean?
Calling PC a platform is like calling consoles a platform. PC is a category of devices. Not a platform.
And if you're talking about the Wintel proprietary platform, guess what: it's already their platform. They can do whatever the heck they want. The fact they haven't do so yet is mindblogging, if anything.
>>329679535
PC is a platform as tablets are a platform as mobile is a platform.
Quit being pedantic.
>>329679535
Half the reason people choose Wintel is because it's not as closed as the Apple platform. If Microsoft tries to turn Windows into Mac people will freak out.
>>329679905
>If Microsoft tries to turn Windows into Mac people will freak out.
too late, have you seen the layout of the windows stores lately?
MS fucked off when people bitched about muh taskbar.
They'll fuck off eventually with this or someone will find a workaround.
>>329679905
It could unironically become the year of the linux desktop if they start seriously trying to close things down.
>>329680073
The taskbar isn't central to their core principles.
>>329679998
Yeah, 8 essentially turned the desktop interface into a mobile interface. 10 improved slightly but not enough. The problem I see with this is sales of OEM desktops are dying, the only people buying PCs are enthusiasts like gamers or power users. These people don't want mobileshit on their $1000 desktops.
>>329678296
I didn't even care about Gears on 360. Shitty fat space marine cover shooter is shitty.
>>329680073
I'm just hoping they learned from the disaster that was RotTR on the Windows Store. Killer Instinct comes out in a month, if you can't use FRAPS with it I'm definitely not playing it, it's a fighting game for Pete's sake.
>>329680170
Yeah but money and adoption is.
Xbox is a moneysink, so merging it with their main interest means it better happen. If no one is buying games on W10, they'll have to rethink things.
Also they backed down from their original Bone policies with the bad PR. I'm sure they'll change something, whether great or just slightly less worse.
>>329680213
Also people who use them slely for home office use who also probably don't want it
>>329680373
Who knows how hard they'll end up pushing this before giving up though. They seem really determined this time.
>>329680528
Eh, the failure of the Kinecttwiceand really Xbox this generation probably has them a bit more cautious.
This is a good thing, but like all good things with huge companies, it takes time.
>>329673101
Good, hopefully this gets some push because everyone (including Microsoft) would benefit from them opening up the system more.
>>329680170
I'm duel booting Windows 10 and Ubuntu right now, if Microsoft keeps trying to close off it's platform I may have to switch over completely. Or at least pirate W7 until legacy support ends.
>>329680951
>i want to switch to Linux
>so I'll use the worst distro
Every time.
>>329681041
It's the best marketed and the easiest to use yor beginners (other than Mint but that's worse at this point).
It's pretty easy to switch distros anyways.
>>329681185
I bet you haven't even changed out the WM or DE, nor messed with your config.
>>329681259
Literally install Debian, it's what most splinter distro's are made from and for a reason.
Ubuntu and all its flavors are trash.
>>329673101
How the fuck are they closing people out when if they are still letting people download and use other Win32 storefronts?
>O-O-OH AND BTW YOU HAVE TO GO INTO A MENU TO CHANGE THE DEFAULT MUSIC PLAYER!!!
holy fucking shit dude, talk about absolutely nothing
>>329681357
For most people distros don't even matter aside from what package manager they use and what drivers/proprietary software it comes with. Unless you're using something like Arch or Gentoo it literally doesn't matter, distro wars are more pathetic than console wars.
>>329673101
>Tim Sweeney of Epic Calls Out MS for Trying to Close PC Platform Anonymous 03/04/16(Fri)15:13:00 No.329673101
Don't be reddit. 4chan is not reddit. Fuck you. If MS wants to monopolise pc gaming, I say do it.
>>329681357
But I useFedora, not ubuntu.
>>329681485
The idea is to somehow convince everyone to move from Win32 to UWP
>>329681357
Why would he do that? Because some autist from /g/ will tell him to do it?
Don't fix things that aren't broken
>>329681485
gotta fuel that neogaf hate somehow
god forbid crossbuy and crossplay becomes the norm on w10, god forbid MS has their own exclusive store like literally every other big publisher
>>329681512
Unity is trash though.
Plenty of people care about their DE,WM, and shell beyond rice.
>>329681610
For better performance and less resource usage?
>>329673101
>consolebabies mad because the PC now is becoming console tier on what comes to exclusives
>>329681595
I think the article is trying to convince me harder that everyone could shift from Win32 to UWP, which makes it seem like a pretty flimsy debate.
>>329681485
The primary issue is Microsoft has forced updates so if they wanted to start locking developers out then they could. Also by inventing a proprietary platform like UWP they're could be sowing the seeds of a closed Windows platform. Yeah, slippery slope and whatever, but it's fucking Microsoft.
>>329681694
He probably uses it only for browsing web and playing 2d indie games, so why bother?
>>329681694
to be fair Ubuntu also comes with GNOME by default
>>329677689
Ok have fun with Killer Instinct I guess.
>>329681735
The thing is nearly 100% of the article and your post is potential outcomes and not things that are happening
Its like slapping a random black guy in the street because he might statistically shoot you
>>329681831
Gnome is bad too.
>>329681694
You don't have to use Unity though, you can use KDE, GNOME or Cinnamon if you want. Again, distros don't fucking matter since you can just change the DE.
>>329681896
So what? KDE? The bloatest from them all?
>>329682047
Theres plenty of other bloat to remove though.
Starting with something simple and nice is a lot easier.
>>329682112
no
>>329681896
far better than unity.
also GNOME 2/MATE is GOAT
>>329681892
Do you understand what microsoft's business model is?
>>329681556
>Having a spine is reddit now.
Kill yourself
>>329682112
KDE got pretty good recently
>>329682167
are you a fucking XFCEfag?
>>329682190
If youre about to say embrace, extend extinguish then thats literally a windows 98 term
REMINDER THAT THE CORE ISSUE WITH UWAS IS THE FACT THAT THEY LACK SETTINGS WE'VE COME TO EXPECT AS WELL AS MOD SUPPORT. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE STORE ITSELF BESIDES THAT.
IT WON'T KEEP YOU FROM USING STEAM, ORIGIN OR WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO USE.
ADVOCATE FOR W10 EXCLUSIVES TO HAVE PROPER COMPUTER SETTINGS AND MOD SUPPORT INSTEAD OF WANTING TO BANISH THEM ENTIRELY.
THIS IS NOT A BAD THING, IT IS MERELY NOT BEING EXECUTED RIGHT.
>>329681892
>Windows 10 has an exclusive appstore using a format not used by other developers on PC
>Microsoft has forced updates with no obvious list of changes to your system
>Many games associated with Microsoft are Windows 10 exclusive even though it would probably be easy to make them backwards compatible with at least 8.1 and 7
>DX12 is Windows 10 exclusive despite Vulkan being backwards compatible
SO Microsoft is relentlessly trying to focrce people onto Windows 10, while also creating a closed Microsoft ecosystem withing Windows 10. Yeah, nothing's happening NOW, but what about in a few years? Look at Microsoft's recent pattern of behavior.
>>329682270
possiblyI switch around when I feel like fiddling with it.
>>329682303
why would they stop doing that?
>>329682317
they're also using it to force DX 12, and hence Win 10 when the games could have a DX 11 release
MS is cancer.
>>329682375
enjoy never getting wayland support faggot
>>329682519
Jokes on you, I'll never need it.
>>329682662
enjoy using abandoned software
>>329682368
so wait
the entire argument is on the basis that UWP can only be distributed through Windows Store
which is completely untrue anyway
so even on the basis that UWP did somehow and miraculously wipe out every last bit of Win32 ever, its still open for anyone to use and distribute.
Windows gamers will get Xbox games, but with same restrictions.
>Spent a fortune on a 144hz monitor?
Too bad it only supports 60 fps. Want to use a 3rd
>party program to record your game?
Too bad it's sandboxed.
>Want to add mods?
Too bad.
Windows gaming is becoming Xbox with all it's restrictions.
So MS is slowly turning into apple...
>>329682717
With Linux you get used to it.
I actually hardly use Linux for anything but programming so I don't need much.8.1 is my main platform
>>329682816
>slowly
heh
>>329682764
>>Windows store gaming
fixed
That will just mean Asphalt, Fable and Gears will not exploit the PC.
>>329682481
They wanted to enhance their stuff for Xbox, they aren't going to downgrade it just so people can have it on a different DRM restricted platform.
The idea is for Xbox and PC to run on the same architecture so they can share games easily and those on Xbox can have a more affordable access point and PC can get the benefits that come with higher specs like 4K. The issue is that the implementation as of now is flawed and hopefully by the time of Quantum Break they figure out that people want these games to not be as restricted in more ways than just "I don't want to use the Microsoft Store" or "I don't want Windows 10"
Needing W10 is not going to change because of MS's general gameplan in the co-integration of console and PC, it's technical.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2016/03/01/gears-of-war-ultimate-edition-on-pc-is-a-disaster-for-amd-radeon-gamers/#52cb8a9c7e7e
This just in DX12 is trash, time to abandon ship to Vulkan. (inb4 >AMD, they just mentioned people are reporting problems with 980Ti as well)
>>329682724
Exactly, its all things they COULD do, fucking hell google could leak everyones e-mails, cloud storage and search history now, we'd be braindead and schizophrenic with the amount of things companies COULD do.
There is literally no risk posed to the existing market if UWP grows, no matter who and what company uses it.
>>329682724
>its still open for anyone to use and distribute.
We know you are a shameless shill but reading compression motherfucker;
>This true openness requires that Microsoft not follow Google’s clever but conniving lead with the Android platform, which is technically open, but practically closed. In particular, Android makes it possible to install third-party applications outside of the Google Play store, which is required for Google to comply with the Linux kernel’s GNU General Public License. However, Google makes it comically difficult for users to do so, by defaulting the option to off, burying it, and obfuscating it. This is not merely a technical issue: it has the market impact of Google Play Store dominating over competing stores, despite not being very good.
Goolge with its store is doing the same thing MS did with explorer, bundle it and over promote it. Which is anti-competitive. Now MS is trying the same tactic, only way more aggressively.
>>329683265
>UWP ISNT OPEN BECAUSE GOOGLE DOES THIS SMALL THING WITH MENUS IN ANDROID AND I DONT LIKE IT
Hahahaha what a fucking strawman
>>329683265
Hopefully they get their head cracked with a antitrust lawsuit
>>329683265
How in the fuck does that mean that UWP isn't open for anyone to distribute? You havent disproved anything, you just used some shit comparison to Android (which is actually hilarious in itself considering how easy it is to actually install .APK files without the Play Store)
>>329683369
>Hahahaha what a fucking strawman
What are anti-competitive practices.
>>329683459
>How in the fuck does that mean that UWP isn't open for anyone to distribute?
It's not.
>>329683265
It's a part of the cross-integration. The MS Store is linked to the Xbox store which allows for things you own on Xbox digitally to be usable on PC as well, a good example of this would be Killer Instinct, which is planned to allow you to bring your progress and characters into the PC version. The only way they could allow for this on other platforms such as Steam would be by integrating their systems into Steam via a cooperative agreement, like OnLive did before it died. Don't just say the store should die when solutions exist, advocate for those solutions instead.
>>329683460
How the fuck is it anti-competitive if they are actively PROMOTING Steam and GoG, and giving money to Valve in partnership deals?
Because of a store? You seriously think that constitutes as monopolization? Fucking hell you'd have a mental seizure if you owned an iPhone.
>>329673101
I have not forgotten Games for Windows Live
you can't forget that sort of shit.
>>329683536
Except it is. Sideloading is fully enabled and UWP is available to other storefronts.
>>329683560
>cross-integration
look at the dipshit who still thinks this is about the xbox and laugh.
>>329683560
Gears of War is out now, and Killer Instinct and Quantum Break are coming out in a month. They better fix their store fast. If anything this proves how incompetent Microsoft is, RotTR was a disaster and despite a few sentences by Phil nothing has changed.
First read what UWP is, then comment. The whole idea behind UWP is that all your crap works on different Win10 devices (phone, xbone, pc) without having to do multiple different builds. This won't affect anyone who doesn't want to do that. You can still develop games on Windows 10 without having to give a shit about the whole UWP. Pretty much drama over nothing.
>>329683748
Theyve already said in the Redstone update that the store is getting a massive re-vamp
>>329683708
>"It's about the illumanati controlling our computers, it's not about the Xbox!"
>Even though its being proclaimed as making the Xbox a part of Windows 10 and vice versa
>"TOTALLY NOT ABOUT XBOX"
Make up conspiracy theories all day if you want but don't ignore facts
>>329683804
the only argument people presenting is that UWP could completely wipe out Win32
Which is highly unlikely anyway considering how embedded Win32 is, but even at the same time it doesnt pose a threat because UWP is an open platform available to all merchants.
Its literally just mistrust over possible outcomes and not actually looking at whats being delivered, I also find it hilarious that Tim Sweeney is doing this attack on big ecosystems but actively talks and promotes iOS gaming, the most hilariously walled garden there is.
>>329684051
its also funny as fuck seeing nobody saw the Win 8 store as a threat but now that the Win 10 store has some pretty big titles lots of devs are screaming about muh freedom
and thats even though UWP is infinitely more useful than the horseshit in the Win 8 store
>>329673101
his argument rests on the fact that UWP is exclusive to the windows store
its not
way to fuck up dude
>>329684332
Nobody gives a fuck about an appstore, the problem is releasing $60 AAA games on an appstore. People have different standards for mobile and desktops and Microsoft has been ignoring them until fairly recently.
>By building on .Net and C#, Xamarin has provided Windows developers with an easy route to building applications outside the Windows ecosystem, without alienating users. Microsoft has struggled to deliver cross-platform development tooling on its own, relying on hybrid HTML5 applications for Android and iOS, making it hard to deliver the user experiences that Android and iOS users demand. Xamarin fills this gap.
>Microsoft’s original Windows 10 bridge strategy was about bringing non-Windows applications to Windows, an approach that left many Windows developers feeling abandoned. Adding Xamarin’s tools to its developer platform gives Microsoft the missing piece in its cross-platform story, helping Windows developers build cross-platform apps that deliver native user experiences on Mac OS X, iOS, and Android, as well as various versions of Windows 10. These apps might even extend to Google’s and Apple’s smartwatch platforms.
WOAH, MONOPOLIZING SO MUCH THAT THEYRE GIVING POWER TO LITERALLY EVERY OTHER STORE AND OS, DAMN
>>329678296
I care. Bought it last night and let it install overnight and gonna play them when I get home from work
:)
>>329684951
Hope you don't own an AMD card.
>>329684783
Even if UWA didn't exist, people would complain just because this shit isn't on Steam.
>>329685186
>b-but Steam!
If Microsoft released the game as an .exe 99% of people wouldn't care, most of the criticisms are due to the fact that the games are crippled husks compared to the Steam version
>b-but Redstone
We have no fucking clue what criticisms of the Windows 10 store they will address, aside from Phil's single tweet.
People complained about Origin but eventually dealt with it since Origin isn't that bad. Uplay is shit but it's less shit than it used to be. Windows Store as it is is worse than GFWL and Uplay combined. Steam has nothing to do with it.
