I just don't have fun playing Smash.
Every single god damn time one of my friends comes over all he fucking wants to do is play Smash. He refuses to play any other of the real fighting games I have. And whenever I have multiple friends over I have to prepare to be bored for the next couple hours because all they want to do is play Smash.
There is no consequence for winning or losing in Smash, no mistakes are yours and none of it is real. In Street Fighter you lose when your HP reaches 0, in Smash you lose when... I don't fucking know. You lose when you are at 60%, you lose when you're at 600%, you lose when you accidentally suicide off the stage. There is no character in any real fighting game that can "suicide" except maybe like 1 character in one specific other fighting game.
>>324348438
faget
Suck your friend's dick
Sounds like you're bad.
Stop playing smash like a regular fighting game, maybe?
smash is as real as it gets
GET FUCKING GOOD
You are correct, smash is more random. Try to get them into psabr its way better from a fighting gsme standpoint
>>324348876
this desu senpai baka
>There is no character in any real fighting game that can "suicide" except maybe like 1 character in one specific other fighting game.
Every character in Soul Calibur
Every character in Virtua Fighter
Deadpool in Marvel vs Capcom 3
Yoshimitsu in Tekken
Shin in Hokuto no Ken
Faust in Guilty Gear
>>324348438
Stop treating it as a serious fighting game and just have fun you humongous faggot.
>>324348438
nice blog. liked and subscribed
>>324348913
what's random about smash? tripping is gone which was the big thing. i don't believe knockback is calculated with any randomized factors either
>>324348876
You get fucking good nigga. Why don't you play a real fighting game instead of a childrens party jamboree game? Oh right, cause that would take actual skill. Nigga swerve.
>>324348438
Hol up.
So what you're saying is
>smacks lips
You suck
>>324349178
Unless you're playing with people who are super serious about the game, the way people play is 90% random attacks
>>324349457
players behaving sporadically doesn't make the game random, couldn't you say that about any fighting game?
>>324349434
Yeah smack your lips amerifat. Tell me when you want to play an ACTUAL fighting game.
>>324349457
just like any fighting game
>>324349527
Yes and no. Therr are more clear cut fundamentals in traditional fighting games.
Exceptions are always there though.
>>324349457
I have this exact experience about any other fighting game except smash. Most people i play in other fighting gamed would just mash all the buttons constantly in hope of using some crazy combo or something
ITT: OP doesn't know what fun is, other people argue what fun is, and people playing Smash for fun are wrong.
inb4 404, this thread is going nowhere.
>>324349457
Man I remember I used to think I was a great melee player until I attended a tournament.
>Guy playing sheik
>gets knocked off stage
>literally like 1 centimeter away from death
>he jumps
>somefuckinghow he made it back to stage
>won the game
I literally left after I saw that.
>>324348438
>smash
>fun
pick one
>>324348438
>There is no consequence for winning or losing in Smash, no mistakes are yours and none of it is real. In Street Fighter you lose when your HP reaches 0, in Smash you lose when... I don't fucking know.
You lose when you cross the blast zones
>>324348438
I realize you are only saying this because you suck at smash OP but lets be honest, would you have more fun getting utterly destroyed with zero chance of fighting back in a real fighting game or have a decent chance to get lucky with an item or whatever in smash?
Go pick up MVC2 or 3 and try to play it. You will get demolished for months against anyone that has played before.
Pick up USF4 and scrub out 200 losses before you figure out some mixups.
Smash is an easy to pick up "fighting game" in comparison to anything else. If you don't like it start playing something else.
>>324349423
Melee has a higher skill ceiling than USFIV
Also don't talk about 'real fighting games' when they have hand-holding input buffering.
>I just don't have fun playing smash
Then don't play it
>>324350918
> making fun of input handholding
> prefers a game with no real inputs
LOL
O
L
>>324351103
>thinks complex execution is more important than interesting, fun gameplay
>>324351253
> abusing a fucked up physics/game engine to go fast
> NO ITEMS FINAL DESTINATION ONLY
> Fun or interestinf
Hehehehehehehe
>>324350918
Wow
>>324348438
Then why do you own the fucking game you retarded asshat? Throw the shit in the garbage and drink their casual tears when they find out you got rid of it. Then drop them and find new friends. Or grow up and get a job, kid.
>>324351358
neither of these have anything to do with the gameplay.
>>324351358
>FD only
Here's someone who never played smash. In fact i always ban FD because it is not favorable for my mains
>>324350918
Higher skill ceiling? Nigga wut? Yeah okay, maybe for autismos like you. You try reacting to 1 frame set ups/traps. Or learning how to do actual complicated combo set ups kid. "Press a and hold for a few seconds" is not a combo, or a skill.
>>324352931
>"Press a and hold for a few seconds"
How the fuck is that a combo in melee. The GCN has no negative edge btw.
>press a
>character does 1 jab
Wow, a great combo you fucking retard.
>>324353481
5B>5C>214A>RC>5B>5C>214A>RC>5B>5C>214A>214D
Is a basic combo for Ragna in BlazBlue. Are you telling me, that with the needed height and correct timing, this is less skill than a forward smash while jumping you autistic fox fucking piece of dogshit?
>>324354131
This gets me too. In Smash they claim that there are combos but they are so fucking specific for only one character at a certain percent.
>>324350051
Left because you knew you couldn't beat that, or you left because they were shitters.
>>324354131
I could list you a Melee combo, but you wouldn't understand neither the terminology nor the concept of how combos in smash are not guaranteed and are DI-dependant which requires instant player reaction at every single step, unlike in most fighting games where only getting the confirm matters and fucking up is up only to the player (outside of burst and combo-breakers).
>forward smash
>fox
What an autistic son of a bitch. If you don't know jackshit about what you're talking about don't even try.
>using fucking BB as an example
PFFFT.
>>324354339
So wait, so you're telling me that smash combos require more awareness outside copy and pasted "works on everybody" muscle memory combos?
>tfw your main isn't in Xrd yet
it feels awful
>>324354131
It's called watch a Melee combo video.
>>324348438
ITT: Babbys mad because Smash isn't cookie cutter enough like other fighters for them to spam cheap combos until no more HP
>>324354545
I'm saying that the game just lets you get out of being "combod" easy as fuck. You can just float away pretty much every single time excluding the one time as one character at one percentage you can't.
>>324354458
> I could list a combo
> But I won't because.. uh.. FUCK YOU THERE ARE COMBOS MUH DI REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Whatever loser, play a real mans game. And are you implying BlazBlue isn't one of the most popular ACTUAL fighting games in the world? Get some skill son.
>>324352931
>reacting to 1 frame set-ups/traps
>has a 2-3 input buffer
>smash is autism meme
That's real hardcore.
>>324354131
That Ragna combo doesn't work because of SMP. Also why are you using 2 rapid cancels for something that only nets you 3K?
>>324354131
>Melee has a higher skill ceiling than USFIV
>NO THAT'S NOT TRUE, LOOK AT BLAZBLUE
>>324354621
are you me? how do you feel about baiken and anji?
>>324354841
>real mans game
>real man
>implying we all aren't fat autistic subhumans arguing over trivial things on the internet
>>324354841
>real man meme
BlazBlue got BTFO by Melee in participants and viewers
Or do you need someone to stroke your ego?
>>324354841
I prefer GG to be honest, familia.
And yes the melee does have combos.
We are going through the definition of "consecutive attacks connected while the other player is in hitstun", yes?
>>324355041
The game is easy and people take this piss easy game seriously, thus, more viewers and participants.
>>324354761
Here's your reply
>>324354931
I know, thought of a Bread and butter for the original BB, came to mind faster than one in BBCPE. but the equivilent in Overdrive would be; (OD) 22C > A+B > 5C > 5D(1) > 632146D > 623D >> 236C >> 214D > j.214B >> 214D > jc (j.C) > j.214C > 5C > 5D > 214D > 6D > delay j.D > j.214D > 214214D if I'm not mistaken.
>>324354841
>tfw I play melee and melty blood
It's so hard finding players.
Reminder that people that "actually" play "actual" fighting games respect Melee players' execution and timing
Anyone that says otherwise here is just a shitposting faggot
>>324355167
If you think its so easy why don't you try being number 1 :^)
>>324354968
Baiken is my secondary, A.B.A is my money match waifu.
I am quite indifferent to anji but i do look forward to him eventually joining the cast.
>>324355263
Streambabies being streambabies, what else is new
Why else would people deflect from defending USF4 to defending an anime fighter
>>324355263
What fucking execution OR timing? Simplistic jumping and mashing A + Direction is neither.
>>324355250
I never played CT, so I wasn't sure. Still, I don't see the point of double RC combos
>>324355398
>game is riddle with 1 frame commands with no buffer whatsoever
>what execution or timing
>fucking MASHING in melee, something used for literally nothing
Why shitpost about a game you know nothing about.
I don't pretend to be a pro on games I know jackshit about.
>>324355502
SMP wasn't in CT, so it was more like a stun. To read your opponent and gauge his ability to see if he could tech or burst like a scrub.
>>324355210
thanks
i didn't think the bait would stick for a minute there
>>324355398
Literally fucking what are you talking about
What single character can be played by mashing "simplistic jumping" and one attack?
Are you talking about SHFFLing?
>>324355550
Then why STILL not a single person can throw an actual combo out there? I've posted several for BlazBlue already, and yet not a single one for you Smashfags.
>>324355617
I'm aware SMP wasn't in CT. 100 meter still sounds too expensive for a burst bait, but that's just me.
ITT: Butthurt Smashfags can't handle being BTFO
>>324355792
the most simplistic, entry level combo for ness
side-b>grab>d-throw>jump>f-air>f-air>f-air
however, depending on the situation, it is up to the player to in an instant decide to cut that combo short or extend it or change it
ive hit a 4th f-air and got an instant KO, then recovered back tot he stage. probably one of my most proud ness moments
Sounds like you need to git gud at Smash and your friends need to git gud at more typical fighters
>>324356223
>however, depending on the situation, it is up to the player to in an instant decide to cut that combo short or extend it or change it
Yes, because going back to OPs point, it is completely fucking random what kinda shit your combo will do and how people will react to it. Will the combo knock out? Will they not? Who fucking knows.
>>324355792
The thing is that none of them are guaranteed outside very low %.
But if you want me to paint an example I can list one. This all implies that the player is succesfully reading all of the DI and reacting in time to it.
Marth on Falco.
Grab>Uthrow>Grab>Uthrow>Utilt>Grab>Uthrow>Dash Attack(sourspot)>Back Air (sourspot)>Back Air (sourspot)>F-smash
I'm leaving out the movement inputs, all the possible needed extra inputs like JC Grabs, pivots, waves, and stage awareness. The hardest part of the game is reacting to the DI.
I guess you could say that even after a combo started, the other player can always escape.
This doesn't even account for more advanced forms of DI, like SDI, ASDI, Amsah teching for survival, SDI into stage tech, and other things.
But why am I even bothering, family.
>>324348438
goddamn op! you made this thread because you knew these autistic smashfags would start shit flinging didnt you?
>>324356223
See, now we're getting somewhere, I can semi-respect that. However, I still think the lack of inputs make it a lesser skilled game overall.
>>324356223
>smash 4 combo
Look, I know people are shitposting but don't go so far.
>>324356385
Still seems too random to me, though again; I can respect that. That actually looks like something you have to have muscle memory to pull off.
>>324356223
why on earth would you be proud of that? literally all ness fags do is what you just listed and its braindead easy.
>>324356380
and that brings back >>324350918 's point of melee having a higher skill ceiling than traditional fighters (also to >>324356457) because melee requires more player attention and reaction rather than memorizing combos and punching them in
>>324356457
>lack of inputs
are you baiting or literally retarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vyBV94K4SE
The only things that really bother me about Smash are the way hit/blockstun works, and the way hitboxes interact. Being able to attack/grab instantly through a blocked attack just makes blocking stupidly low risk, and as for hitboxes it seems like a player on the ground is just given complete priority against someone in the air, regardless of attack timing.
>all these people arguing about combos as if they are what makes fighters hard
Holy fuck this thread is casual. Getting the muscle memory for a combo takes an hour max unless you're retarded.
>>324348647
No, let me suck his dickI like doing it when they're playing video games because it messes them up
>>324356749
>be proud of that
Dumbass fucking frogposter didnt even read the first sentence of the post.
>the most simplistic, entry level combo for ness
>>324356626
Yeah, that's one of the things that has allowed melee to live so long.
Genesis 3 just ended today and people saw new shit being pulled off. The "sandbox" nature is what people like about it.
I still, despise being a huge fan of melee myself, don't consider it a fighting game and think the discussion is retarded.
Melee is too different to be considered one.
>>324356918
Go back to the lab ya fuccboi
>>324356918
>nobody talking about neutral
Now, neutral is when the real game beings. Both smash and true fightan.
What good is it to spend 1000 hours in the lab grinding tech skill and memorized combos when you will never land a confirm with shitty fundamentals?
>top 8 of Genesis had literally FIVE (5) Foxes
This semen-slurping game is NOT for me
>>324357125
Nobody will argue against the game not being broken, but Fox still didn't win Genesis. Peach won Genesis.
>>324357025
Nah. You're all goddamn retards. This is coming from someone who plays fighting games on a keyboard. Combos are piss easy.
>>324357089
I hate smashfags and want to believe that one actually made this
but this smells so much of false-flagging that I can't blame smashfags for it.
>>324351358
But SF has no items and all the stages are the same besides cosmetics.
>>324357010
>>324356852
>>324356805
You know what, now that I'm watching some videos, this does seem to be a little more complicated and skilled than I believed previously. Maybe I was wrong. Is Genesis 3 a tourney? Is there recorded streams I can watch to see this higher skill ceiling?
>>324357273
> PC
> Fighting Games
> Skill
Pick none.
>>324357328
Conceding your point on the internet on an anonymous imageboard where nobody knows who you are is the most beta thing you can do on the planet.
>>324356993
i did read it retard. he also states how it was one of his most proud moments at the end. why the fuck would something like that make you proud?
>>324357505
>hurr durr le edgy 4channer maymay
stay young, newfag
>>324357505
At least I'm man enough to admit where I might be at fault. Isn't it bed time for you lad?
>>324357328
showdownsmash/v/36120439
Here's a stream archive of Genesis 3's Top 8 for Melee and Sm4sh on Twitch, /v/ thinks the link is spam so you'll have to go to twitch and paste that into the url
>>324357656
A real man wouldn't admit they were wrong, especially when you don't have to on a fucking internet online anonymous image board. You could have just nodded to yourself and stopped posted. You fucking gigantic pussy.
>>324357328
The top 8 was insane and they usually upload it later on.
However I think you can watch the matches on their previous streams.
t witch tv/showdownsmash/v/36120439
Grand Finals start on 3:50
>>324357505
That's just plain retarded.
I always thought fighting games where all about combo memorization until I made FGC friends through smash and was introduced to them.
Soul Calibur fucking surprised me with its vast amount of attacks. Not what the game seems like on its surface at all. People learn new things all the time.I miss the old SC
2016 is only 3 weeks old and already melee is sporting more viewers outside evo then SF4 ever managed and melee is as fucking old as SF3 so no chance is hell SFV is gonna be able to keep up
Give in capcom shills you cannot stop the immortal train
>>324357521
the combo wasn't one of my proudest moments
the 4 f-airs out of the combo on a new stock for an instant kill then recovering was one of my best. idk if its not that impressive and just lucky, but i haven't seen it done anywhere else before
>>324357702
>>324357736
Thanks, I will check it it now.
>>324357721
You must have nor real concept of humility, or self worth. I pity you, stay underageb&
>>324357736
>I miss the old SC
I miss SC in general.
When the fuck are we getting a new SC with a new, stupid guest character to get hyped about?
Doesn't even need a story mode- just a proper arcade mode
So is there anybody here who plays Smash AND Fighting games?
I play Melee, Melty Blood, 3S, Persona, and a friend is teaching me GG.
>>324357791
Might as well play a MOBA if all you care about is viewers
>>324357959
Might as well not shitpost about melee if all you care about are REAL fighting games
>>324357721
man it must be great to still be 16
>>324356805
>fightan is just memorizing combos
What are fundementals you fucking sod.
Memorizing that 10 hit combo is worth Jackshit if you can't get in.
>>324356852
Reminds me of this
https://youtu.be/oC_1ZWLOPJc
>>324357791
Smash is fucking minuscule in prize pools compared to SFV.
How do you think it feels to get literally NOTHING from Nintendo when SF always gets like 50k pot bonuses from Capcom?
I love smash, but I hate that Nintendo pretty much hates the competitive scene.
>>324348438
git gud and then you will have fun
>>324357951
I play Sm4sh casually with my friends, but mainly play fighting games.
None of my local friends will play fighters with me, since they think they're too hard.
>>324358075
SFV is probably gonna change that. What I played in the beta feels like it carefully skirts the line between babby-tier and still legitimate.
>>324358075
The execution barrier is scary, I will give them that.
>>324358053
The melee community has survived on its own for soon to be 15 fucking years after being rejected by MLG and EVO and even fucking nintendo
I dont give two asses how much money capcom has to shit into their community for it to be stable without it the FGC would be thrown back to medieval times. Melee will fucking survive on its own because its a awesome fucking game and a awesome fucking community
>>324358059
For what purpose does shooting behind you do?
>>324357702
>>324357736
Holy shit, I just saw Armada versus PPMD and you were right, that looks insane. Looks fun too... brb buying a GC.
>>324357721
>a real man wouldn't admit where they were wrong
A real man wouldn't browse an image board, either.
>>324358156
Yeah I'm trying to convince them to give it a shot. Hopefully they will, but I'm not holding my breath.
My buddy who's really into Smash complains that tilts are too hard, so you know.
>>324358304
It's a form of movement reversal which lets the Fox turn around in the air while keeping his momentum. This lets him use his back aerial which has more reach and power than his forward aerial.
>>324358304
looks cool
styling on people is the ultimate goal of melee
>>324358304
he ledgecancels the lazershot, removing the lag and you cannot do that with your character facing forward because melee
>>324358304
Fox is running towards the ledge and wants to hit the other guy with his back air attack. so he needs to be facing away from him
you can't turn around in midair in Melee. you also can't turn around while running in Melee
but you can jump, and shoot a laser backwards, which turns you around.
run > jump > shoot laser backwards > slide off edge of stage > midair jump > back aerial attack
>>324358403
>tilts
As in Smash's tilts?
>>324357951
I play ProjectM (Rip), skullgirls and GGXRD
>>324358505
Yup.
Ryu in Smash 4 is pretty fun.
I was actually surprised when they made Ryu have more attacks than any other character just so he could have L M H attacks.
And adding negative edge to the GCN controller? Something Smash should have add since the beginning.
I hate that only Ryu has that.
>>324358403
>really into Smash
>complains that tilts are too hard
these things are mutually exclusive, anon
>>324358525
What's with the weird overlap between Smash and Skullgirls? Most Smash players I know also play Skullgirls for whatever reason.
>>324358059
can we just go full webm discussion thread
>>324358623
He's just always bugging me to play with him, that's what I meant. He really doesn't know much about the game even though he plays it a lot.
>>324357089
Yeah this was made by an avid player of fighting games and smash, not by someone who only knows smash
>>324358869
The whole post is bait for the both sides.
t. someone who plays both
>>324358412
>>324358417
>>324358439
>>324358504
Ah, I see. Thanks guys. I guess Armada was doing something similar with Preach's turnips?
>>324358623
I kinda understand him because I have trouble with tilts but that's my execution that needs work.
>>324359090
Yeah, Peach can use the turnips to turn around in the air.
Most characters can use some of their B-moves to turn around. A few can even turn around with other moves. Marth can use his back air to shift his facing direction.
>>324358626
I've played smash since I was a kid. When I got my PC the only options for Fightan were Skullgirls, an outdated version of Blazblue and GG, or SFIV. My friend hates SF so I only had one real option. That's just me though.
>>324359216
Give Fightcade a shot if you haven't.
The only games I even play anymore are Melee andJojo HftF
>>324352803
>party game for kids
>Maining someone
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>324359278
I actually tried to do that once, but there was a bunch of bullshit issues getting the ROMs or whatever they are called to work properly. God knows how much more difficult it would be to help my buddy set it up over skype when it took me an entire day to explain how to get a PS3 controller to work on his PC.
>>324359160
Nice.
Is emulating Melee toaster friendly? All this Melee discussion is making me want to try it.
>>324359709
I wouldn't know. Dolphin has come quite far, but anything below getting the 60 fps fucks up a lot of things for melee.
I don't even like fighting games but holy fuck you faggots saying Smash has a higher skill ceiling than other more dedicated ones. All the time I see this with Nintendo franchises, a desperate attempt to microanalyse everything and plumb for depth where none exists to make it seem more comlicated than it actually is, because anything else would be too hard for them beyond the simple control scheme and few moves it has.
Fuck sake.
>>324357951
i play smashcasuallyand lethal league
G-Guys how do I git gud at melee
I keep playing mybfand he thrashes me and I don't want him to be disappointed in me.
>>324360207
Ask for advice from him.
Learn from your mistakes.
>>324360417
I'm scared he'll be disappointed in me though.
I don't know what mistakes I'm making.
>>324360207
LONDON
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>>324360532
Typically, if you got hit it means you made a mistake. It can be as simple as you using a move with a lot of recovery or as complex as allowing yourself to get forced into a situation where you can't avoid being hit.
>>324360938gay, sorry anon
Any tutorials or something. I'm sure a community that has gotten as large as the smash community has SOMETHING, right?
>>324361176
Honestly? Just look some stuff up on youtube. It's pretty easy to find.
>>324361473
Oh, alright I guess. Was hoping for some direction as to what channels to pay attention to, but if they're all pretty decent I won't have to worry.
