>Playing KOTOR II for the first time
>Going around Nar Shadda minding my own bussiness
>Random guy is betting bullied because he owns money
>He says I have his money
>"No, I don't, leave me alone"
>Thugs start threatening me
>"What the fuck, I don't care, ask him for the money"
>Thugs attack me, I kill them
>Random guy complains that I only made things worse and runs away
>Pic related starts ranting about how helping random people only makes them weaker and I'm a little shit
Is this a common thing in the game, where you just get involved in shit and then Kreia goes full retarded about it?
>>324290502
yea
>>324290502
she's right though
>>324290502
Yeah, Kreia is basically Ayn Rand and Kotor tries to subvert some of the assumptions you have about star wars, heroes, and the force. Some fans don't like it because there's too much grey; they think Star Wars should remain black & white like the old adventure serials of the 1930's-40's which stars draws heavily from.
>>324291130
She's probably right, but I didn't help anybody. I got attacked an defended myself, it's not like I did it for the guy.
>>324291336
>Yeah, Kreia is basically Ayn Rand
Please don't insult Kreia like that.
>offered a multiple-choice question
>pick one, it was the wrong choice
>reload, pick the other choice, it was also the wrong choice
it's like I'm really playing a Telltale game
>YOU PLEB IT'S TOO MATURE FOR YOU, REAL LIFE ISN'T FAIR XDDD
yeah you know realism in a series with light sabers and aliens
>>324291336
>Some fans don't like it because there's too much grey; they think Star Wars should remain black & white like the old adventure serials of the 1930's-40's which stars draws heavily from.
While I think that's true, putting that aside.
The problem with Kreia is nothing makes her happy except being a giant asskisser to her. Any other decision you get lectured to for thinking for yourself.
>>324291989
>save-scumming
I think the idea of that character is that she doesn't agree with getting involved at all, just don't take her in your party if it buttblasts you so much
that's why KOTOR is better, you don't have a 2deep4u hag physically AND telepathically following you everywhere trying to shape you into following the stablished plot.
>>324291336
>George Lucas and other sperglords think Star Wars should be black and white
Ftfy
>>324291989
All of your choices have consequences, she was merely trying to make you ware of that.
>>324292416
You can't exactly look at the films and say they were anything but that.
And they're the only things that are canon aside from some comics and Rebels.
>>324290502
Don't think too much into it. If you decided not to help then Kreia says he grows desperate and kills someone or something like that, and then she gives you shit like that.
Just remember this: no matter what you do, you're always wrong and Kreia (Avellone) is always right.
>>324291336
Star Wars stopped being black and white with Empire though.
>>324293229
No, it really didn't. The rebels were good, the empire was bad, and if you try and stay neutral like Lando did, circumstances will happen that will force you to pick a side.
>>324293390
>empire was bad
lmao
>>324293974
Don't be a contrarian faggot, the empire was always the bad guys.
>>324290502
This is why I liked the story in SWTOR.
At least most of the time it didnt try and jerk me around calling me a fucking cuck. I mostly left people alone unless they decided to fuck with me or insult me and I killed them. Oh im your apprentice and you want to call me stupid? Well goodbye into the lava you go.
I remember there was one mission though where I was fighting some jedi faggot and he did that same shit and wanted to fuck with me and I threw him off the fucking elevator platform into the elevator shaft where he fell like 20 stories and died and I broke the mission and had to start all the way over because I apparently wasnt supposed to chuck a bitch to their death but was supposed to win and call him a faggot and execute him or let him go. Skipping that step was not allowed.
>>324292141
>The problem with Kreia is nothing makes her happy except being a giant asskisser to her.
At first I thought this too, but I think is more about making people help themselves instead of getting personally involved in their problems. It's like she wants you to be Jesus Christ.
>Kreia encourages you to be selfish and become more powerful at the expense of others
>do this
>she flips out on Dantooine for apparently refusing to listen to her
Bitch is cray
>>324292618
well, to be honest, the films were the worst part of star wars, except from a few stuff, like vader's design
eu was much better especially old republic/empire era
>>324294254
>liking tor
>getting mad at games calling you stupid
stop being stupid.
>>324294467
>make decision she agrees with about vrook that makes him hostile
>you have failed me
Dumb geezer
>>324292141
>The problem with Kreia is nothing makes her happy except being a giant asskisser to her. Any other decision you get lectured to for thinking for yourself.
That's the whole point. There a conversation with her at some point, where she tells you to be a manipulative cunt and treat your companions as pawns. There is a line you get to choose that says something 'then I will use you as well', to which she answers 'good, then you've learned your lesson' and it gives you reputation points with her. Basically, tell people what they want to hear, gain their loyalty and then use them for your own advantage.
>>324295237
>people are nothing but a game to me
>>324291905
Ayn Rand was based m8. People who don't like her normally just didn't really undestood what she was trying to say and think her ideology is all about be a prick when that's hardly true.
>>324294607
It seemed a lot more open for the most part and I got to do what I wanted.
I just pvped mostly in that game and had like 20k kills and when I finally did the story it wasnt so forced.
I don't like when things talk down to me. I mean if the game would let me, I probably would of just killed my master and skipped all of that dumb shit.
Also hated that gay fucking planet that was lvl locked.
I was like lvl 24 and the planet was lvl 29 or some shit and I could already heal tank every instance and just do whatever and I got forced into this immense fucking grind because casual shitters cant get stuff done.
>>324292141
Kreia just wants you to be a good student and learn.
She is a cunt, though
>>324294508
>the films were the worst part of star wars
No, anything written by Anderson takes that award by a longshot. Just because the EU have stuff like Zahn's work doesn't change that it was also filled with a lot of utter shit.
>>324295315
Not him but Ayn was a shitty philosopher. She was like Stirner but not nearly as well thought-out or educated. Funnily Stirner actually IS what people attribute to Ayn, the "the system is just in your head, fuck everyone but yourself", except he knew how to argue it well.
>>324294508
Literally stop posting. Aside from thrawn and the later seasons of The Clone Wars nothing in the EU comes close to the movies, prequels included.
>>324295792
>killing anyone who talks down to you and doesn't suck your dick
stop being stupid
>>324291989
>pick one, it was the wrong choice
>reload, pick the other choice, it was also the wrong choice
So you have learned nothing. You have failed me, completely and utterly.
>>324296187
The only thing you have to do in that scenario to make her happy is say you will take what she says into consideration.
>>324296187
>give a beggar money
>he gets robbed for the money and kreia yells at me
>don't give him money
>kreia calls me a prick
I hate you
>>324291336
kotor was more like a loveletter to the original series, although it did some subverting in terms of heroes and villains, it felt like a classic star wars adventure
kotor 2 was the atlas shrugged of star wars, going waaay to far with its deconstruction and critique of its universe, with kreia being a whiny bitch and mouthpiece of avellone. That shtick got tiresome and it doesn't help that the game was shipped unfinished either
>>324293974
>blow up a planet
>LMAO at them being called bad guys
>>324296316
What, that my choices are meaningless?
>>324296501
That nearly all significant actions can have consequences (even seemingly benevolent ones).
>>324296426
You have learned nothing.
As much as I like KOTOR 2 the game is way too heavy handed with dishing out dark side and light side points when it can never understand your intent. Why would you get swayed to the Dark Side because your charity got a beggar beaten up? Your intent was purely good, it makes no sense to punish you for it. I absolutely understand Kreia teaching you about your actions having consequences but that doesn't make my character more or less evil, the intentions and actions do.
>>324293006
Not remotely true. There are plenty of ways to part Kreia. It is through one or two well placed forced lessons about consequences that you learn how to.
>>324296131
well have fun sucking egotistical jedi cock for a chance at a seat on the cuck council
ill be over here killin doodz, blowing shit up, getting shit done, and doing all of the space drugs
dont forget to ask your master for permission jedi cuck boi
>>324296691
Yes, and regardless it's shitty.
>>324296761
You got light side points for giving the beggar money
>>324296482
>big words make my head hurt baby me ^_^
>>324294467
No. She doesn't want you to become another Darth Sion. You have learned nothing. People get frustrated with this game because it actually catches you off guard when you fuck up and it teaches you how you fucked up but people would rather blame BAD WRITING
>>324296693
I feel like the lesson is to let someone else make the decisions like she does
>>324291130
She contradicts herself though. If you refuse to help someone she says you're an idiot for passing up the opportunity to get experience points+loot.
It's just being smarmy for the sake of being smarmy
>>324297074
if you consider those words big then you need to finish high school, anon
>tfw no mods to just remove kreia from the game all together
id like to replay kotor2 but she is just insufferable
>>324296501
No, but a few times you are forced to see that there is no right way to deal with a situation. This is one of those times.
>>324296761
what
You get LS points for giving the beggar money, Kreia just cuts in to tell you that that action might have consequences that aren't immediately obvious. Hell, I'm pretty sure that you can even gain influence with her in that situation by making it clear you did it for your own reasons instead of just because its "the right thing to do"
>>324296187
>>324296187
>>324296187
THe lession is a lession in life.
Something some people without a frontal lobe cannot understand.
it teaches you that sometimes no matter what you do, you will lose. Ever heard of ''damned if you do,damned if you don't''.
The thing is this game tries something new with morality. Almost every single game with a moral compass has been ''insert coin, get good boy points''. Instead this game has made you think, should you help this person out.
Struggle is the engine of success, Kreia tells you this constantly, if you let other do battle for you, you get weaker. If you fight battles for other people, they get weaker.
As complex as Kotor2 is, it's easy enough to get a grasp if you don't have the attention span of a 12 year old boy.
I swear if its not every kotor thread with this complaint its an OP with it as one. Why do people find Kreia hard to understand? She herself is a hypocrite but she's teach very basic lessons.
I feel like the people who critique Star Wars are the people who listen to Harlan Ellison too much
>"But that's the point! Is the single defense I get when I alienate myself at dinner parties by my negativity. It's supposed to be mindless, I'm told. And then those professional types who are safe in loving Star Wars where they might be attacked for reading the latest Robert Silverberg or Thomas Disch sf novel, explain to me as carefully as one would a retarded child, that Star Wars is a return to the worship of the Eternal Verifies: honor, truth, fighting Evil. All black and white. Try black and white in a world of credit cards, punk rock, mastectomies, Watergate, the rise of homegrown Nazism, Anita Bryant, and the terrifying fact that more than half of all serious crimes in the United States are committed by people between the ages of ten and seventeen—-and that includes rape, murder, robbery, aggravated assault and burglary."
The problem is it was never meant to be applicable to reality when people are making it such.
>>324297351
Again, because my choices are meaningless. No matter what I do, any choice I make has negative consequence. Even doing nothing is something, because inaction is a choice.
>>324296848
>edgemaster: the post
Not even that guy, your post literally made me open the thread and reply
So i guess your plan worked, here's your (you)
>>324297351
So it's an unwinnable scenario?
>>324297250
She even tells you not to believe every little thing she says. When you tell her "so I won't trust you either then" her reaction is that you're learning quickly
>>324297676
The only winning move is to cheat
>>324297692
Just because she says she's retarded doesn't excuse the fact that she's acting retarded.
>>324295792
Goddamn you've got such a shitty attitude. I bet you play the hell out of MOBAS.
>>324297139
What lecture did she give before Dantooine that said anything like that? She said absolutely nothing about what you should do with power, only that it's good if you get it at the expense of others. Her speech on Dantooine isn't justified at all, she's just mad that she never got a chance to prove the Council wrong and she's taking it out on you.
>>324297517
Because she contradicts herself and tells you off for following her own advice.
>>324291336
thats the thing though too. I don't like it when things are just black and white. It literally becomes too boring when its only about good vs. evil and never anything inbetween.
>>324297517
But it's not about her being hard to understand, is about I getting forved in a situation and then she getting shitty at me for something I didn't do.
>>324296848
see, I can do the same thing, except I actually get a sense of earning the ability to kill doodz and get things done because I play good games and not ego handjob sims.
>>324297985
You actually sound like one of those retards who press ''A'' or ''Enter'' furiously during conversations to skip dialogue and get to the fighting.
I'm certain this isn't the first game to outsmart someone as dumb as you.
>>324296051
I confess i don't know much about Stirner. He seems cool. Try to read more about him in the future.
>>324297692
So basically "I was only pretending to be retarded: The Character".
>>324297985
The only real case of this is with Vrook, and maybe the vaklu/queen stand off on onderon, both of those was just her giving an opinion rather than talking you down for what you did/didnt do. The one that people seem so out of sorts about is the unavoidable bit on Nar Shaddah, which is just as >>324297504
said, its a basic "you lose either way" scenario and you can get any lost influence back by simply saying you understand, its not complicated.
What tips me off about kotor universe being stupid is how in the span of 5 years, jedis go from being lead to glory by revan and owning the place again, to being hunted to the brink of extinction . again.
All the while, some random cuck proclaims himself a dark lord and conquers the universe.
What the cuck? How can Jedis be such ineffective cucks?
Sure, it makes the plot point that Jedis are cucks unfit to rule a valid one. But if the whole starwars universe is going to revolve around making Lore fit Lovarellos FoTM self-insert character a valid construction, then I can see why Lucas might have been mad.
Seriously. Making the Jedis such sad cunts so that the whole kreia thing can work is the work of bad writting. The whole thing could have been way more nuanced and less over the top with the whole "turns out the sith are so much better at rulling that they pretty much own the place with a 90% uptime" shit. I mean, in a multiplayer capture the base match, the sith own the Jedi hands down.
>>324297250
Think of it this way. At this point Meetra Surik isn't wise enough to have taken the right action. Both choices are wrong. It's not contradiction. They're two different extremes to be wrong. If at this point she was wise enough, Meetra would have done something like told the thugs they could resolve it if all four of them met with the crime boss and that he would get his money's worth, then convincing the man during the meeting to sell himself to slavery as it is the only way to resolve the debt alive, then use that as leverage with the boss to give her information about the bounty on Jedi
>>324298241
Go to /his/, they love him because of how ridiculous and yet hard to argue against his philosophy is.
Also the drawings of him because no photographs at the time
>>324298392
meant for >>324298067
>>324297676
Yes. You learn by failing. You are not Rey. You are not a Mary Sue
>>324298392
So is Kotor 2 like the Casual Filter in regards to the story line?
It seems like only idiots really don't understand her teachings.
>>324290502
I'm sick and fucking tired of asshole posting their shitty twitch URLs polluting our once beautiful board. I'm making a stand here and now as a mass electronic media expert by not posting my twitch URL and instead just my username, which is exactly as you guessed it: doodsrsly. I'm tired of people insulting the intelligence of others so in my channel right now I'm Playing as Jesus Katarn and yesterday we got off peragus mining and the game is about to truly begin for our watchman.
>>324298713
Space Jesus!
Unless she wanted me to kill her, I'd say Kreia failed at her teachings.
>>324298479
have you seen the prequels?
its canon now that the Jedi are completely incompetent
>>324290502
So I've never played Kotor 2, is it possible to be annoyed with her in dialogue, or are you only allowed to act dumb/kiss up?
>liking kreia
she's literally avellone's mouthpiece
I bet you liked ulysses too
>>324291336
There's a difference between injecting moral ambiguity and fundamentally misunderstanding the force like Avellone does.
>>324298660
>he doesn't rewrite the program so the Kobayashi Maru is a winnable situation
You'll never win creativity points.
>>324298679
I guess fucking so, that or people who hated her never actually went through her dialogue's on the ship so her actions are just so confusing and random when she makes it plain as day what she expects of you/what she's after.
>>324298907
You can tell her off at every turn, it just results in lost influence which players seem completely baffled about.
>>324298392
No, she actually literally told me to stop helping people without a reason when I didn't help anybody. It's all in the first post, you can read it again.
>>324298907
She can be interesting to listen to sometimes.
Everyone is mostly worth while listening to. From the war stories from Mandalore, to HK-47's stories about Revan and how to kill Jedi. Maximum comfort.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPeI4mX8Nus
>>324298820
She's a Sith teacher. If you don't kill her, you've failed
how does korriban and 3 sith lords fit into the sith rule of two?
>>324299054
No she told you to think when you help people because it could just fuck them up later. And so long as you simply understand what she's telling you, her influence doesnt change either way, and you even get some light side points.
>>324297504
>implying
I thought that's what she was about until I did a dark side playthrough.
As long as you're being Mr. Evil Mc Edgy, she mostly kisses your ass.
>>324299173
>>324299173
Even if you hate kreia, her force controlling floating light sabers is pretty amazing.
>>324299173
The Rule of Two hadn't been written into canon yet at the time
>>324298907
You can, but because she's avellone's mouthpiece there's no way to do it without being made to look like a dribbling idiot.
>>324299238
KOTOR 2 is prior to the Rule of Two.
>>324299267
>Evil McEdgy
If you kill the innocent receptionist at czerka for no reason you lose influence so try again.
>>324299407
I said Edgelord, not retarded brute.
>>324298713
doodsrsly/v/36089620
intro experimental meme bass line before the stream began
>Mind tricking thugs into walking off a cliff
I normally run full light side but that shit was too satisfying to pass up.
She's still not as bad as Ulysses
THAT is the worst kind of mouthpiece. No matter what you do, you technically prove him right, and all you can really accomplish is stopping the nuke.
DA BURS
DA BULLS
DA SUPERB OWL
>>324299403
I assumed it was being observed since Malak turned on Revan in Kotor 1
>>324299251
You are confusing my post with the beggar situation, which is not the same. I'm NOT talking about the beggar thing, it's something different that happens a few moments later.
>>324298907
You're free to do whatever. You can debate her, you can tell her she can talk all she wants but you're not changing your mind, you can outright tell her to shut the fuck up for once. You're not forced to be a good student.
People just don't understand both negative and positive influence unlocks stuff and get butthurt when they lose points with her, thinking the game demands they kiss her ass all the time.
>>324299238
The sith rule of two came about a good while after the KOTOR games chronologically. Bane was inspired by the master-student dynamic between revan and malak, so he decided to cut out all the faggy armies of darkness that the sith had grown fond of and created the rule of two.
>>324299054
>>324299251
Disregard that, i guess i really cant read. Yeah that particular case isnt cut and dry, she wanted you to ask for a reward after killing those thugs since you were forced into the situation anyway, its a poorly written event in any case.
>>324299552
Malak turned on Revan because Revan was consistently a shithead to Malak.
I mean the whole reason HK calls organics meatbags is because he calls Malak that once and Revan thought it was SO hilarious that he reprogrammed HK to call all humans but himself meatbag.
>>324291336
>Kreia is basically Ayn Rand
Elaborate on that or stop posting forever.
>>324298660
>rey
>Mary Sue
Dude! Why say that?
It is shown that she can fight off bandits and is proficient at melee combat.
It is shown she understands how ships work, seeing as she's a salvager. She has to know her mechanic basics.
What's left? Shes on her period so she growls at chewie? And he replies: lets fug?
That she's a good pilot? The kid in ep. 1 won a professional pod race. To state an 8 year old is more capable than a grow woman is pure mysoginy.
>she wields a light saber sell enough to win the duel
Kylo Ben took a direct blaster hit and still fought . he and his 3 way lightsaber are the real Mary sues .
Shitposting asides, I really hope Kylo gets mutilated and turned into a copy of Vader . robot accessories and all. And. Gets redempted with death. But this is Disney... So, that won't happen.
I just went with the easiest solution, I never brought her along.
I'll make my own goddamn decisions, MOM.
>>324298225
>keeps replying to me with weird non sequiturs and personal attacks
please go away
Since this thread is already here
Has anyone actually turned their party members into jedi and then use them effectively? I never can, everyone else sucks as a jedi
>>324294254
>This is why I liked the story in SWTOR.
Stopped reading there. "People" like you need too be gassed.
>>324299804
You forgot the fact that she's doing shit with the force instantly when it took Luke years to master and perfect.
doesn't change the fact she's a qt. though.
>>324297250
It's not about listening to her. You can turn it around by saying you did it for reasons other than "because it's a light side action".
She's teaching you to think without the Force, which is something Jedi and Sith can't do, because they've always been steeped in it.
>>324300060
The trick with 2's jedi shit is for the most part not levelling them at all til you can make them jedi, as with the exception of atton, you turn them when theyve already spent 13-19 levels as their base class. And in cases of like Mira, she's just best as a blaster jedi anyway.
>>324300150
>She's teaching you to think without the Force, which is something Jedi and Sith can't do, because they've always been steeped in it.
Maybe because the force literally exists in all matter and you can't escape it.
>>324300242
I tried that before but they still never play right, especially with handmaiden where YOU have to be a certain level to beat those duels to turn her, and bao-dur has so few influence checks you literally need to plan them for each play through
>>324299541
>hear Ulysses for the first time
>walk out of the DLC and never return
The only way to win against Avellone mouthpieces is to not give them any attention
>>324300454
Bao's the one i never change to jedi just cause i like having him as a skill whore and guardian fucks all that up. Handmaiden's easy, just dont level her til shes a guardian, then put all feats into flurry/2 hand/toughness adn shit and give the basic self-buff force powers, shell jump and wreck shit easily.
>>324300060
I don't get your problem. Are you trying to make them all use lightsabers/spam lightning after converting at high levels?
Just slap force speed on every single one of them and you've doubled their effectiveness at whatever the hell they were doing up to that point.
>>324299541
I don't really think you prove him right no matter what, so much as you just disagree with the crazy butthurt man threatening to nuke everyone again because he doesn't like how things turned out.
>>324300431
And that's why she hates the Force. Because it's fucking everywhere.
And it's why she sees potential in you, because you know what it's like to be completely severed from it.
>>324294373
>At first I thought this too,
No, it's true. You don't gain Influence with her unless you accept that her teachings have merit.
>>324299541
>yfw da burrs when the mojave bowl
>go 30 hours into kotor 2
>get a bunch of anti jedi stuff
>get to fight them for all of 10 minutes on malachor at the academy
???
>>324300132
Blame that on how the franchise developed after the original trilogy. The force was originally a subtle actor that could occasionally be used for great things like shooting lightning (if you were an extremely powerful sith) or augmenting a jump; after the prequels everyone became wizard duelists. Remember how powerful yoda seemed when he lifted a spaceship out of the muck; now think of all the crazy shit people do with it in the prequels. The only thing questionable about Rey is using the mind trick, and even then that's something she might have learned from whoever abandoned her, or saw when Kylo's mind reading backfired.
>calling KotoR 2 good writing
Nothing good in science fiction has been written since the 1970s. Go read The Demolished Man you culturally illiterate manchildren.
>>324300939
Then why write for a setting if you don't like how it's constructed at its core?
>>324301096
Least you didnt spec for anti-droid shit
>>324301201
>science fiction
space opera
>>324300132
The whole movie was a tranquility of mind vs insecurity and inner turmoil. It was the whole 1 trick of the whole movie.
>>324297564
>Again, because my choices are meaningless. No matter what I do, any choice I make has negative consequence. Even doing nothing is something, because inaction is a choice.
Now you're figuring it out.
>>324301201
Why not write for a setting if you don't like how it's constructed?
Deconstructions are a big thing, bro. Maybe Avellone just wanted to explore it a bit deeper than pure black/white mentality. Whether he succeeded's not really the point.
Just because that hack Lucas doesn't like it doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.
>>324299623
seems kind of flawed
wouldn't it be better to have armies of sith than all power with just 2 people?
>>324301096
>33 hours start to finish
>normal difficulty
>get Force Immunity, Force Break, etc.
>only see Force Powers used by NPCs once in the entire game
A fuckin' waste mate.
>>324301390
>Why not write for a setting if you don't like how it's constructed?
Because more often then not when that happens it's because you have an axe to grind, which is where bias happens.
>game's been out for years
>still radically different interpretations of what the fuck she was talking about and what she wanted
Let's face it. The game was good, but written intentionally murky as a substitute for actual storytelling.
>>324301425
>>324301246
That's my big kick about the game. Gives you a bunch of tools you'll never use.
I want a new hub based rpg with companions that isn't made by socialjusticeware
>>324301413
The point is to make governance a faster thing . unlike the Senate, which is inneficient. Just look at how fast the republic crumbles and the sith rises every time.
>>324301616
Unfinished game etc. Though granted i think even 1 had a handful of shitty feats/powers you could waste levels on
>>324301524
That's true, not gonna lie. But you can still extract some decent bits from it, at least in my opinion.
>>324301413
The idea at one point was that the Sith spend too much time backstabbing each other to actually take over the galaxy, so only having 2 reduces how often the backstabbing happens to only when the apprentice becomes the new master.
>>324301529
Good ambiguous characters are not any easier to write than other storytelling methods, you know.
>>324301772
Plus, the whole 'the apprentice kills the master' thing ensures that the next Sith in line is always stronger than the last.
Unfortunately, being a better fighter or practitioner of the force doesn't make you a better leader or general.
>>324299541
>yfw the pats win the superbowl again
>>324301871
They are when there are no definitive answers.
>>324300150
Which is one of the fundamental ways Avellone misunderstands the force. He thinks Jedi morality correlates 1:1 to the light side, and sith morality to the dark side; the answer in reality is so much more complex than that. The "light side" of the force is the normal part of the force, and the "dark side" is what happens when someone who's strong in the force corrupts it with anger, hatred and the like; it corrupts them in turn. You could be one of the pettiest, most corrupt businessmen in the galaxy and not be dark side.
>>324294104
>>324296492
>the empire maintains order
>people like you disrupt that order
>>324301728
I leveled up stun droid because its so good a starter level power.
Not going to further it down the branch tho.
How do I build a melee centric character with a few good powers ? I'm already going power attack/2 handed for that sweet sweet extra attack , but the Jedi side power all seem weak. And the healing is kind of meh tbqh
>>324290502
I am going to help all of these people because I want to, while looking like Jesus, does this bother you Kreia?
>>324302090
>order
>ignoring that Sideous engineered the disasters that caused the order to crack down in the first place.
It's like the police raiding a drug lab that they supplied the drugs to.
>>324301413
Read the darth bane trilogy (it's a short read), it gives you a really good idea of why limiting the sith to a core of master and pupil made them so much stronger.
>>324302117
All you need as a mlee is the speed line, the energy resistance line, and after that you can do whatever. If light side try to get all the light side buffs since plot will give you a power that combines them into 1 buff
>>324302406
Thanks bro
>>324301616
>>324301728
I start as a jedi, so I figure I'll have a lightsaber soon.
I see there's a feat to let you deflect blasters without a lightsaber.
"Why would I waste a feat on that? I'm surely going to get a lightsaber soon."
>level 1
>level 2
>level 3
>level 4
>level 5 <-- Still on Peragus
>level 6
>level 7
>level 8
>level 9
>level 10 <-- Chose Nar Shaada first
>level 11
>level 12
Finally got a fucking lightsaber fifteen hours into the fucking game
>>324302603
>>324302406
The plot doesn't give you that all-in-one power until way, way late in the game. I got it at like level 21 or 22.
Also it says it uses Force Armor, when it means Force Aura.
>>324301201
>star wars is the only sci-fi nowadays
Science fiction with literary merit is still being written, look at ursula k. leguinn. Just because you only pay attention to trash pulp sci-fi doesn't mean there isn't more out there
>>324302117
I like the healing since it lessens the reliance on medpacs
>playing kotor II for the first time after playing kotor 1, which was a 10/10 goaty for me
>peragus is pretty cool
>stop playing for a long time on telos because it doesn't feel like kotor
>force myself through it
>the telos outskirts with Bao Dur part is pretty cool
>nar shadaa was pretty cool also, i loved how Atton fucked up the two Twi'lek assasins with his fists only
>get to dxun
>get bored as FUCK, once again it stopped feeling kotor-ish
>force myself through it
>get to onderon
>again bored as fuck, it stopped feeling kotor-ish yet again
>today loaded up the game and left after a minute because of the confusion and no idea what the fuck am i doing here and what the fuck am i supposed to do
There never was a single moment in kotor 1 where i felt that way, even Taris was fucking great.
Just kill me /v/.
>>324302825
>calling The Demolished Man pulp
>using a word as debasing as sci-fi to describe it
>>324301772
That's pretty dumb. If they just can't stop backstabbing, why would they also not just ignore that "rule".
>>324302609
It's actually a pretty good feat though. It's what makes blaster jedi viable.
>>324303006
Cause Darth BANE? killed the rest of them.
>>324302835
That was okay, but I hated it because it meant that Heal was the first power on my list, and not Speed. Continually scrolling through the half dozen buffs as a light side jedi was awful.
Also Master Speed should've tripled your movement speed.
>>324303006
Because the Sith are stupid. They're so evil it literally corrupts the force, what do you want from them?
>>324302609
What's the problem with that? Once you get your lightsaber that's your weapon sorted for the rest of the game, you just need to find crystals to upgrade it.
Did you actually think they'd give you one immediately, and therefore remove any sort of weapon progression and make normal melee weapons obsolete?
>>324302117
Speed
Defensive buffs to take hits better
Stasis Field if you need breathing room
>>324302973
Nigga learn to read. He's claiming that there's been no good sci-fi since the seventies, I'm saying that's only the case if you purposefully pay attention to nothing but pulp trash.
Also
>getting buttmad because someone uses shorthand to refer to a genre
>>324302874
>i loved how Atton fucked up the two Twi'lek assasins with his fists only
I quickly gave him a melee weapon to fight with, and he kicked their ass with it. But I never used him again after that, so for the rest of the game he had a double bladed sith blade-staff thing stuck to his right hand.
>>324302609
It's more to not only help you through the early levels but to make other builds more viable. h2h blaster deflection is a godsend
>>324303215
>Did you actually think they'd give you one immediately
Yes, because I was an actual Jedi from the start, unlike KOTOR 1.
>>324303346
I'm taking atton everywhere because i'm making him a carth 2.0, hopefully he'll be able to one powerblast KO anyone like Carth did in kotor 1
Yeah, if i actually get through the boring part again, christ
>>324303324
>shorthand
Sci-fi and science fiction are not the same thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDNrnpefGio
>>324303506
You eventually acquire the Onasi Blaster, so you can even give him Carth's gun.
>>324290502
That particular part in nar shadda IS stupid
>give some guy money
>later some thugs kill him for it
Well so fucking what? Are you supposed to feel bad for the fact that you can't control everything in the universe?
>>324303467
You're an exiled jedi though, not an actual jedi
>>324303602
I got it actually, but i couldn't get atton on dxun so i went handmaiden and canderous, waiting till i return to the ebon hawk to give it to him
Also i loved the Carth cameo at the beginning, i hope i meet him later
>tfw i was hoping he'd be a companion for 2 too
;_;
>>324303710
This isn't the police, you don't turn in your gun when you leave
>>324303791
I never got the handmaiden. What was I supposed to do to get one?
>>324302874
Dont bother anon. kotor 1 is the superior game, even with kotor2's resto pack.
>>324303884
Not have a vagina
>>324303006
Because Bane indoctrinated his apprentice and in turn all that came after in the rule of two (he even let some quality sith pussy die so he could start with a fresh disciple)
>>324303647
If you're white, yes.
>>324303867
But you literally do turn in your lightsaber when you get exiled
You did play the game, right?
>tells you not to trust Handmaiden
>tells you not to fuck Visas
I like Kreia, but why must she cockblock me? Also why does every female want to hop on my Jedi Jesus dick.
>>324303867
It's later shown in a cutscene that the exile jammed her lightsaber into a rock or something at the Counsel meeting.
>>324303884
you get the handmaiden if you're a male, if you went gurl you get a guy
>>324302874
>it doesn't feel like kotor
Is that supposed to mean something?
I loaded up Kotor after finishing II and it bored me to tears
>>324303994
>But you literally do turn in your lightsaber when you get exiled
Which contradicts every other source in Star War
>You did play the game, right?Nope
>>324304010
>her
NO
CANON REVAN IS MULLET
CANON EXILE IS JESUS
>>324303867
https://youtu.be/6aMaeYVm8ac?t=3m18s
>>324303561
A couple of authors triggered because of low quality B movies isn't going to make that true.
>>324304094
Taris is to KOTOR as Peragus is to KOTOR 2. Both are awful and should be sped through. Give it a shot and I think you'll like it.
>>324303561
>Sci-fi and science fiction are not the same thing
You what mate
Yes they are
>>324303997
Mom cares for you. She doesn't want you knocking up some random sith apprentice.
>Also why does every female want to hop on my Jedi Jesus dick.
Mira.
>>324304209
>a couple of authors
>ignoring that they're some of the best science fictions authors out there
>>324304160
Neither are canon anymore :^) but legends canon exile was a female
>people buy into the philosophy of someone who's just manipulating you to get revenge on the sith and the jedi for her
>>324304272
Mira would hop on the Jedi dick, but she's too busy interrupting her own voice files with other voice files, and is unable to enunciate her words correctly, so she never conveys her desire for the D properly.
>>324304160
Exile is light side female in canon actually, well, until KOTOR as a whole became non canon.
>>324304160
Actually they're both qt girls.
>>324290502
>>Playing KOTOR II for the first time
I want to play KOTOR 2 for the first time...
>>324304239
Taris is honestly my favorite part of 1, I don't understand how people can not enjoy it.
I finished KotOR2 a few days ago and I enjoyed it.
Is TOR worth playing at all?
>>324298183
Ill show you a handjob sim.
You into lady boys?
You ever been rimmed in space?
>>324297946
Passion Power Strength Victory
>Not
Faggot Faggot Faggot Faggot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-gSJW3sHXE
>>324304160
Has any other RPG has a sequence like the talk with Atton at the beginning of the game, where they argue over who Revan was? That was my favorite part of the game.
>>324304362
Everyone has their own agenda, but her philosophy was solid.
>>324304362
Her "philosophy" is most of the time just common sense, with occasional bullshit added on top.
Rejecting the Jedi code while getting above 75% light side and racking up influence is an easy thing to do. And in the end she even says she's sort of proud
>>324304626
>whatever stance you take she takes the opposite
what was her philosophy, contrarianism?
>>324300121
Ill gas you if you know what I mean.
>>324303561
>Science fiction is not the same as science fiction.
Okay.
>>324304290
>muh appeal to authority
It doesn't matter if they're the king niggers of all scifi, to the vast majority of people who aren't butthurt about shitty movies being called science fiction, the two terms are interchangeable.
Every genre has its deal of worthless bargain bin writers; if anything, it's a mark against the maturity of the SF community that they feel the need to validate their works via pedanticism.
>making a light side choice
>a calm and quiet theme plays
>making a dark side choice
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrOXUC23ggM this plays
PURE FUCKING COMEDY
>>324304272
Doesn't she knowledge we gotta make our own choices, even if it's wrong? Plus we can just put it in Handmaiden's butt and visas eyesockets
FACT: everything to do with the force is dumb.
FACT: Star Wars is best when it's stories about normal dudes just trying to make a living and not dumb wizards.
why was dantooine battle theme so good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4IXY11kc0M
>>324294508
>people like this exist
>they aren't ashamed of how shit their taste is
>>324290502
I hate that part. They write in two options for you to take and she bitches about either. I had a suspicion about it as a kid and reloaded and low and behold she bitched either way.
Fuck you obsidian.
>Ending section with Goto and the Remote locked over control of the mass shadow generator
>Beat Darth Traya
>ending cutscene
>nothing about the mass shadow generator in the ending video
What was the point
>>324305127
that's why han solo, carth, atton, bobba fett and all the other normal blaster users are the best SW characters
>>324305252
>carth
>a good character
>>324305127
Literally the only thing that makes the Star Wars universe even the slightest bit unique is the force.
>>324305191HK's supposed to appear and either hell be controlled by goto, or hell kill goto. Either way they either blow the planet up or keep it intact
>>324304570
>Passion Power Strength Victory
You even fucked that up fag.
>>324305341
>is an actual character that doubts following some random guy is a good idea
>later on he becomes a literal bro
inb4 you link the hk47 video
>>324305191
The entire ending is a mess and a lot of /v/ refuses to accept it.
Malachor V was totally underwhelming.
>visas handmaiden get 5 second scene with no resolution
>bao dur just disappears the last few maps
>robots have an interesting, but pointless conclusion
>atton just walks in or lays like a fish at the end
>end is just a zoom out
>>324305341
Carth is pretty much peak Bioware in that he has daddy issues with his former commanding officer and daddy issues with his son. The only way he could be more Bioware is if he was also gay.
>>324305557
Except everyone knows the ending is a rushed mess, which is the reason they tell people to get the RCM, since it helps fill in the holes, it doesnt make the ending good, but it makes it less of a clusterfuck of missing parts.
>>324305443
But neither happened. I didn't skip anything.
>>324297250
That's not a contradiction, garbage boy. Only one of those scenarios is possible during a playthrough. Stop needing to feel validated by an old woman.
So I was replaying Kotor 1 and 2 and the moment I started 2 and met up with Kreia it hit me. How the fuck do they not know each other?
I mean, Kreia taught Revan for a little while at least, and the Exile fought under Revan during the Mandalorian wars, an event that drove Kreia to distance herself from the Jedi Council and into the Dark side.
Now, during this time period we know for sure of two Jedi training enclaves, Coruscant and Dantooine. Considering no one recognizes Revan unmasked in Dantooine during K1, apart from the Council, and how Kreia seems familiar with them folks that exiled the PC in K2 (which I'm assuming is the main Council in Couruscant), then it's likely Revan trained in Courscant as well, under Kreia and other Masters.
Now this creates a very awkward timeline, in which it can be assumed Kreia would be on Coruscant during the years leading up to the Mandalorian wars and Jedi civil war, and she would certainly be a prominent figure among the Order, especially during the fallout of the Mandalorian wars and iconic events such as the public exile of PC.
So we know this old lady was a Master stationed at the main temple of the Order, she was prominent enough to be acquainted with every member of the council, trained the man who gave the Exile a position as general in his army, and was close enough with Atris (a woman who went on to sot on the Council, preside over ther trial of the PC, and also was borderline yandere for the Exile). Which begs the question, how exactly do they not know each other?
At the very least the Exile should be able to recognize Kreia, even if they never happened to have struck a conversation. Checkmate atheists?
>>324305557
What
Everyone knows the ending is a rushed mess. I've never seen anyone claim otherwise.
>>324305191
The last planet was 3/4 cut out of the game, so very little point to anything
>>324298492
>Meetra Surik
Wookiepedo pls go.
>>324305793
Did you have the RCM installed, and did you do the HK factory side quest? Would assume you have HK atleast.
>>324305793
Did you talk to HK? I didnt even do the factory quest and still got his ending.
>>324298713
so you post your twitch URL? I stream and am doing KOTOR 2 but you won't see me posting my shit on here.
Scam artist in the house
>>324301978fuck off punchout
>>324306350
>never played kotor 2
>want to stream it
>pc too weak
fugg ;--D
>>324299291
how's that amazing? all jedi can do that but most probably think it's pointless. i think she only does it because she has no physical strength as an old bat
Better off force floating blasters behind your target and fire it.
>>324303884
Male character
>>324305557
Atton in the restored content though was pretty cool
he strolls up with the bitches, they do their dance and get fucked he 360's and walks away to poke a sithlord
...and something
comes back and stands there all cool at the archway and you and him go skipping off into the sunset together
>>324305838
Kreia was exiled. There's enough hints in the game to assume she's Arren Kae and there are two versions for when she was exiled - for partaking in Mandalorian wars or before due to the affair with the Echani general. We probably should assume the latter considering Disciple saying that Revan "came to her first master to learn how to leave the order". Exile studied on Dantooine, as the old bot there has a recording of Vrook and not-Yoda discussing his padawanship. Kreia was a historian and never sat on the council. This could theoretically make it possible for the Exile and Kreia to have never met each other.
>people who think influence is not fucking stupid
>>324303997
>but why must she cockblock me?
The Force is telling you to bang the superior Jedi waifu.
>>324307284
It was a good idea, but not fully implemented so it just becomes a bit of a mess when you really get into it.
>>324307487
Bastilla's a cunt
I'd fuck Kreia before Bastilla
>>324307284
I liked it, bringing the whole team to an alignment is fun
>>324307487
>play KOTOR for the first time
>didn't expect to fall in love with Bastila
I couldn't explain what I felt in my heart, but I found it beautiful. My regret is that she is a dead waifu
>>324305838
You got a point
>>324307284
It would be completely retarded to have the same party interactions without it.
>i'll swear my undying allegiance to someone who is completely against my ethos and who previously was nothing but a dick to me because in this conversation he chose the right option
>>324307820
>she gets angry if you threaten the jewy shopkeeper who is selling HK
>suggests we leave the guy trapped in the desert
That pissed me off
>>324308251
Woulda been nice if it went exactly like that, wheras its more that theyll swear loyalty to you, but handmaiden still quotes atris if you kill someone, and visas still gets a murder boner, even after going fully light. Mira/Atton were pretty good neutral sides that worked either way
Just woulda been nice to see some overall change outside of a couple story events to reflect the party members new alignment.
>>324307934
But even if you do that they still act and react the exact same way they did before and nothing actually changes other than having a different glow on the character screen.
>>324308620
Yeah, I wish they did that better.
Something like how Bastilla goes full edge at the end of KOTOR 1
>>324308734
Theres the handmaiden fight, mira's fight, and that little bit with visas' chambers on the ship. Woulda been much better if the former 2 weren't left up to player choice in dialogue and actually reflected the characters nw set of mind. Same with that dark side shit on Dxun, nothing comes of it. Thanks Lucasarts.
