Why is Japan so much better than the West at making Western-style Action RPGs?
west are busy making real RPGs
>>324239150
Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer
>>324239310
Like...
>>324239150
Because you're sucking their dick over one series.
>Souls
>good
>>324239404
Fallout 4 :^)
>>324239418
>one series
>OP posts two series
>>324239404
poe, torment, wasteland 2, divinity original sin 2, underrail, witcher 3, cyberpunk etc.
>>324239598
only like one of those is worth a damn
ITT : I hate popular thing because I'm cool and edgy
To be honest they should just ditch stats and go full skill/challenge base, using whatever you pick up.
This counting numbers bullshit is infecting every game and its boring now.
>>324239634
And it was made by a Serb by himself over the course of 7 years.
>>324239634
you have shit taste, go back to your baby action rpg's
>>324239725
>tfw I guarantee Ys is more legit than half of these glorified visual novels you fap over
>>324239150
>Action
Because this is the only part they they actually make well.
The RPG elements in their games are generally garbage.
>>324239598
>poe
Decent, but doesn't hold a candle to Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, and the like.
>torment
Not out yet, could be great could be trash.
>wasteland 2
Turned out alright, but not as good as people had hoped.
>divinity original sin 2
Breddy gud.
>underrail
Fun for min maxing, really clunky and rough around the edges though because of the budget.
>witcher 3
Storywise excellent conclusion to the series, gameplay wise the worst of the three.
>cyberpunk etc.
Not out yet, could be great could be trash.
>>324239808
>animu shit
>anything but pure garbage pandering to losers
anon pls
>>324239849
poe is better than first bg, you don't know what you're talking about
>but not as good as people had hoped
just like everything else in life
>gameplay wise the worst of the three
again you don't know what you're talking about
>>324239849
>gameplay wise the worst of the three
I could understand not liking witcher gameplay in general but saying the other two were better is just patently false.
>>324240043
BG1 gets bonus points for being more original, POE was derivative of Infinity Engine RPGs. BG2 is leagues better than POE in every single way.
>again you don't know what you're talking about
I like The Witcher 1 and 2's gameplay better. What's the problem? Does that bother you?
>>324240171
>BG1 gets bonus points for being more original
how old are you?
>>324240254
Old enough to actually remember that it was the first Infinity Engine game that defined a decade of Western RPGs. Where POE only calls back to one.
Or will you deny that it was a milestone in the genre simply because it was Forgotten Realms?
>>324239598
>divinity original sin 2
Garbage - truly an abomination, especially in light of your other picks.
>>324240097
This.
TW3's gameplay isn't exactly good by any stretch of the word, but to be a revisionist and claim the first two TW games had good gameplay is another thing entirely.
>>324239847
Kek, the RPG mechanics shit on most games that call themselves RPGs. Your actions always have real consequences that you can't avoid, and so you actually want to make your decisions wisely.
>>324239703
I'd agree that this is the weakest part of Souls and that the games would be far better without it.
Because the garbage ones never leave Japan/
>>324240459
>original
>milestone
>defined
play some rpg games made before bg, kid
>>324240590
>good
Not good, just better than TW3.
Western developers made Blade of Darkness which is still unsurpassed in terms of combat system in its own genre, especially compared to simplistic things like dark souls.
Also Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.
>>324240043
>poe is better than first bg
It's fucking not.
First BG is a genuine low-level dnd adventure with a good setting, good antagonist and good intrigue that has a feeling of adventure.
PoE is a boring snoozefest with infodump NPC which reveals 95% of story in the very last dungeon, with pathetic, jrpg-tier antagonist. It also can't decide whether or not it's a low level adventure, so we get both shit itemization and fucking ancient dragons as opponents.
>>324239404
Underrail.
>>324239150
Because America only care about muh realism and politics
What are some western style action rpgs japan is working on or made that's not wanksouls
>>324240837
it is, put down your nostalgia glasses and play bg right now
>>324240721
You're not too bright are you? It's okay to admit your only experience with old school PC RPGs was in hindsight.
I bet you think Wolfenstein and DOOM weren't original because Maze War existed.
>>324240990
Dragon's Dogma, literally in the OP pic.
>>324241041
>You're not too bright are you? It's okay to admit your only experience with old school PC RPGs was in hindsight
stop talking about yourself
>>324241008
I've actually replayed it after playing in PoE, thanks for asking.
It manages to hold itself better than Sawyer's abortion for sure.
>>324241134
Ooh, you got me. Considering how you've yet to offer up a single actual argument, and you're just throwing sick burns my way, I'll assume you've run out of bullshit to spew.
Or do you actually plan on telling me how the original Baldur's Gate was less original than Pillars of Eternity.
>>324241094
Dragon dogma isn't in that pic that's darksouls and dragon age or someshit like that.
>>324241179
>>324241237
it is hilarious how you cedexers gets triggered everytime someoneeven mention poe let alone dare to like it
>>324241460
>no counter arguments
>b-better call them codexers
Get the hell out of here you tasteless faggot.
>>324241426
>Dragon Age
Apologize for being an idiot.
>>324239150
they care more about making good games
>>324241585
Their CEOs aren't fucking a trophy wife in the Bahamas
>>324241094
also I forgot to say you're right about Cragon dogma
>>324241460
So it's just the sick burns then? You're not going to bother actually making your point?
POE is fine. If it came out in the 90s it would be quite good, but it didn't. It came out in 2015 and did very little but call back the Infinity Engine RPGs. It brought nothing new to the table and was simply "okay."
If you think any different than you missed the point of POE. It's like the new Star Wars. It was simply meant to pander to nostalgia and rehash the old stuff we like. The point of POE was to say, "We're back." Obsidian themselves have said that POE II is where they'll start trying to do things we haven't seen before.
>>324239150
Nah
Outside from the Souls franchise, which is now getting really tiring and is recycling the same goddamn ideas for the nth time
I cant really think of another worthy JRPG
also,
notice how every RPG they made has main character as a tiny man with huge weapons ?
lmao, kinda like their hentai
>>324239150
Because as outsiders they discern the qualities of a western setting better.
Also they dont feel the need to add homosexual romance,SJW cunt faced elves or races that dont fit the setting.
>>324241179
>first time meeting antagonist in PoE
>encounter was supposed to show how incredibly powerful he is
>instead he just flies around the city like a giggling schoolboy doing petty tricks for people
>mfw someone out there thinks that this game has anything resembling a good writing
Western devs are brain-dead fucktards focused more on impresssing their hipster journo friends than anything.
>>324241882
Dragons Dogma
>>324241882
I pity you
>>324239703
Nice opinion there, casual.
Western devs want to make games for non-gamer tumblrinas
Jap devs want to make games for people who enjoy games.
>>324239150
because you're a weebshitter and that's your weebshit opinion
>>324240459
>>324241041
BG1 is nowhere near Wolfenstein or DOOM for rpgs that's what ultima and wizardry games are.
Fucking typical mid 90s /v/ kiddy.
>>324241804
>You're not going to bother actually making your point
Why would I do that? no amount of arguments will ever change your opinion and vice versa
>>324242083
It amazes me how much AAA companies bend to tumblr's whining.
You would think they'd be smart enough to realize these people don't buy games and are never happy.
>>324239703
>rogue-lite version of souls games
>souls-combat and mechanics
>randomized dungeons and spawning
>multiple boss types with different prefixes
>loot is randomized
>as time goes on more enemies and bosses can spawn
>loot quality also goes up as time goes on
And most of the loot gives different movesets/abilities.
>>324242258
People who design characters went to some sort of art school which are SJW infested cesspools,its no wonder really.
>>324242261
Would definetely spend hours on end playing this but I don't feel that it's very souls related as luck plays a very big part in Roguelikes/lites meanwhile DS is all about gitting gud as cringy as that sounds.
>>324242227
Nobody said BG1 invented the CRPG though. I said BG1 scores points for being more original than POE. Some of the best games in the CRPG genre were Infinity Engine games, and Baldur's Gate is the reason they happened.
>>324242236 here just got really triggered that POE wasn't the unique masterpiece he thinks it is.
>>324239598
>PoE
Now you're just shitposting.
>>324239598
>witcher 3
>western game
wew
>>324239150
>souls
>good
Yeah bro it was an epic and hardcore game
Shiiiit it was soo fuken hard
>>324241567
couldnt tell i never saw that image of DD
>>324242387
Fair enough, yeah will have to agree BG1 is better than POE in addition to it's originality the writing is much better as well (Not including EE since the new characters are garbage)
>>324240512
I think it's other way round
The list is garbage apart from Divinity and maybe underrail
>>324239703
>>324240678
as if it wouldnt be labeled casual garbage if stats were removed
>>324242083
>devs make a black character
fucking tumblr ruinin my vidya gaems, muh race purity, keep nignogs outta muh vidya
>>324242390
>>324242456
>>324242460
Nice memes.
>>324239703
To be fair there should be stats, based on advantage-consequence chain of physical characteristics chosen on character creation.
See Dragon's Dogma weight, muscles, height etc.
>>324239598
>cyberpunk
hahahuehahue
>>324242460
this is basically the only reason most people talk about these games, even then they aren't really that hard if your first console wasn't a cell phone. they where a nice departure for a while when everyone was trying to make easy as fuck games for retards.
>>324242359
luck plays very little role in a GOOD roguelike
you've just been playing shitty ones
what does matter in every roguelike/lite is adaptability, the procedurally generated nature of the levels and loot ensures that no one playstyle is optimal 100% of the time, which results in people dying to what they call bullshit luck
>>324242545
Why would a black character even exist in a rpg? aren't fantasy settings romantizations of ancient European myths and folk tales?
I have no troubles with a black guy in a call of duty game but there are places they shouldnt be and I'm not only talking about drinking fountains
>>324240512
but you are wrong
>>324242514
I have to assume the other anon played POE first and liked it, then tried to play BG1 and was turned off. POE has some QOL improvements that make it more welcoming, where BG1 can feel suitably dated.
But if you give them an honest comparison it's hard to see how POE is better than BG1.
>>324241598
He's partially on point, like he parroted the opinion from somebody else.
Japanese rarely make use of Z axis in level design. Some western studios did it well, once, before competent devs quite because of low wages(or high wages in other fields) and what they were replaced by hardly played any games with good use of Z axis so it's roughly on the same level now.
>>324241804
If it came out in 90's it would get 6/10 reviews and be forgotten in favour of Infinity engine games only because of D&D license.
It is 100% nostalgia tripping game, that's true tho.
>>324242819
>quite
quit*
>>324242083
I used to like western games anyway but this shit is ruining them.
I also hate the split between super casualised AAA games with great graphics and no gameplay and the actually good games are often top down CRPGs that looks like absolute shit with garbage art, nothing in between.
How can white men even compete?
>>324242819
>It is 100% nostalgia tripping game, that's true tho.
The only thing POE has done for the genre is admit it's all gone seriously wrong.
>>324242714
no
no they are most certainly not
god dammit D&D ruined an entire generation of fantasy
fantasy is about creating your own world, can be completely balls of the wall crazy, can just be alt-history
>>324239703
I wouldnt ditch stats but make them subtler and less important than new abilities,moves and combos.
It makes sense your battle hardened swordsman to be stronger than at the begining of the game what it doesnt make sense is that the only difference between a trained swordsman and a rookie is the amount of force they inflict on the same move and the amount of damage they can take.
Skyrim style needs to die.
>>324242926
I wonder how fucked up history in schools is going to be in 10 years.
>>324242926
>black Lancelot
No wonder Arthur get cuck
Because nip nop ching chong games have better combat. Even Witcher 3 which has the best combat in any western ARPG only has it because it copies the Arkham Asylum games.
>>324242926
Cukc
>>324242939
Agreed.
>>324242965
>D&D
You mean tolkien? fuck off, if you want your race to be represented as much as you'd like then make your own fucking game and base it on folk tales and imagery of africa.I'm sure it would sell well :^)
>>324242387
>here just got really triggered that POE wasn't the unique masterpiece he thinks it is
You got it all wrong. It was I who triggered your hateboner for poe and i did it on purpose
time for some facts
you're probably a codex user aka simple-minded elitist
at the time when bg arrived you've probably very young so It's natural that you feel nostalgic for it
you expected poe to be bd 3 with broken mages and silly d&d setting but you got rekt by your own unrealistic expectations and decided to unleash your manchild nerd rage all innocent poe enthusiasts
is that correct?
>>324242926
>magic is coming
>>324242516
>>324242735
This game was the worst RPG I have ever played. Bar none. Trying to play it on hard as 100% melee was simply a headache, and not even remotely fun. Especially later game. The game pretty much expects you to be ranged, or magic, and every single freaking fight is tailored around that.
You likely had a better experience if you weren't pure melee. As I was, the game was complete trash. When playing through as a mage after beating it the game was a joke. How you can consider it good when the class balancing is so horrible is beyond me.
>>324242978
you could always make the stat-skill system more like a trade-off one
like say you can either increase your stats heavily or invest in new skills. So for the melee fighter someone who focuses on stats is going to be the massive hulking barbarian who might not know much beyond hitting things with his axe, but whatever he hits aint getting back up while someone who focuses on skills over stats is going to be more akin to the swordmaster with a technique for every occasion inflicting damage through precision more than power
and course make it entirely dynamic so the players can choose just how much they want to invest in either and maybe have techniques require a minimum stat level so the frail wizard type isn't going to be all that effective in melee without at least getting fit
>>324242939
what about resurrecting it? show some respect
>>324243015
You do know Camelit, king Artur and the kights of the round table are fiction?
>>324243090
No Tolkien didn't do nearly as much damage to the fantasy genre as D&D and their fans acting like its the fantasy dictionary
and honestly a fantasy game based on african mythology would be mighty interesting
>>324243116
>You got it all wrong. It was I who triggered your hateboner for poe
Nope. If you could read (how did you beat POE without being able to read) you'd actually know my opinion on POE. Which right from the start (>>324239849) has always been "decent", "fine", "good."
>you're probably a codex user aka simple-minded elitist
Nope.
>at the time when bg arrived you've probably very young so It's natural that you feel nostalgic for it
Ah, the "older things can't be better because you have nostalgia" meme. I was 18 when it came out and I do have nostalgia for it.
That very same nostalgia is what POE so desperately pandered to.
>you expected poe to be bd 3 with broken mages and silly d&d setting but you got rekt by your own unrealistic expectations and decided to unleash your manchild nerd rage all innocent poe enthusiasts
I expected it to be a nostalgia fueled callback to 90s CRPGs, at it was. I seriously hope you don't play mages, though.
>is that correct?
Mostly no, apparently.
You've yet to answer my question on how POE is more original than BG1.
>>324243361
I'd say PoE is most certainly better than games like BG1 or IWD2
>>324242939
>admit it's all gone seriously wrong
When exactly did that happen?
Or what exactly supports the notion that all went wrong?
>>324243193
Man at Arms gives you the highest damage dealing skills in the game especially when you add 2h weapons to the mix.
The only thing that's necessarily are healing spells and perception since as far as I remember there was unavoidable perception check.
Also, Josh, it's not like your game was balanced either.
>>324243361
>You've yet to answer my question on how POE is more original than BG1.
not him but POE has a unique setting while BG1 is a fairly standard rendition of the Forgotten Realms campaign setting, so I'd consider it more original in that aspect at least.
>>324243272
>what about resurrecting it?
Hasn't done that yet. Fingers crossed though.
>>324243405
POE is a game like BG1 and IWD2.
>>324243409
>Or what exactly supports the notion that all went wrong?
When one of the better recent CRPGs is the one that throws away the past 16 years of the genre.
>>324239598
Nice mediocre, irrrelevant, done to dead and nostalgia pandering games anon.
>>324243478
More original in the sense that it is orignal, yes. But it's still pretty generic fantasy.
Obsidian says that POE2 will have a more unique setting though, so high hopes.
Hah, this fkin kikes arguing about PoE and BG..
I played them both, I finished them both, I still think they were boring as fuck. And I have to agree, considering year, that BG1 was made, its writing is way better than PoE.
Im sad that Albion died out and noone has tried to make a game this good since 95.
Also I am sad, that souls franchise can be considered successor to Severance: Blade of Darkness, but it's fanbase is complete shit with ebin memelord autists in its lead.
>>324243564
>POE is a game like BG1 and IWD2.
I know it is, but it doesn't suffer from trying to actually fit low lv D&D into videogame format and as a result its way better mechanically
>>324243645
>POE2
oh no
>>324242965
Then why girls being alchemist is suddenly not okay?
>>324243478
>POE has a unique setting
It has the most mundane and boring setting possible, literally the only fun thing about it is that humans blew up a god with a bomb.
>>324243645
I know its fairly generic but at least they tried doing something different by not only having the game set technologically in the renaissance but also culturally and course the whole souls deal
That said personally I'm hoping for a naval themed POE2, there's quite a bit of lore about the aquatic regions of the world and all of it sounds mighty interesting (and replacing the stronghold mechanic with a build your own fleet mechanic could be amazing)
>>324243361
>but doesn't hold a candle to Baldur's Gate
how can one be so wrong
>I was 18 when it came out and I do have nostalgia for it.
I knew it, you should be banned from all modern rpg discussion, especially everything made by obsidian
>I seriously hope you don't play mages, though
how to spot unbalanced swine, cipher was my choice because I consider myself ciper in real life
>You've yet to answer my question on how POE is more original than BG1
by not using d&d setting?
>>324243686
That's really funny because the isometric RPG with the best mechanics is The Temple of Elemental Evil which is also the most accurate conversion of D&D rules in vidya.
>>324243739
oh YES!
>>324239634
>>324242390
>>324242456
>>324243592
>posts list of good western RPGs
>no anon those don't count xD
>>324243649
>And I have to agree, considering year, that BG1 was made, its writing is way better than PoE
opinion status: thrashed
>>324242083
>>324243927
still you gotta admit that BG1's early levels were a random clusterfuck where player skill barely mattered at all and the only thing that was relevant was who got the better dice rolls on his archery
>>324243927
>D&D rules
but d&d mechanics were never good to begin with
d&d should stay on paper
>>324239150
I'm probably wrong but I have noticed that the good Japanese developers seem to actually want to make a game and not a steaming turd which rakes in money
>>324239703
people would still count the number of strikes to kill certain enemies and rough out numbers
>>324242714
>I'm not only talking about drinking fountains
Made me chuckle, cheers anon
>>324244309
Okay maybe, call me when someone makes a better stat-based combat and character advancement system than what we have in ToEE.
>>324244141
why do you want to turn this thread into one big
>MAAAAANFACE
shitposting anon?
>>324243927
>the most accurate conversion of D&D rules
This is the opposite of what you'd call good practice. D&D rules are terrible from top to bottom and assume there's a human DM constantly winging it to keep the game from breaking. Also by dint of being a video game, it has a lot more combat and very little opportunity to roleplay, which trivializes utility magic, knowledge and social skills, screws with what little resource balancing there is and generally makes everything worse.
>>324244141
>>324244546
d:os, f2, aod, underrail, ja2
>>324244696
to be fair wrecking magic in any D&D based game tends to be beneficial for the game balance
>>324244581
If you think anyone in that has a manface you must be blind
>>324244546
Take warcraft 3 heroes and give them some tiny, irrelevant 'feats' and 'skills' every three levels. Then have a few of them get progressively more spells, 80% of which are useless and 20% of which mess up the whole game. There's your D&D 3e.
Let's also point out that as 3e was in development, TSR got bought by some retarded trust fund broad who wanted to turn D&D into a toy line and hated roleplaying so much she forbade any of it in company premises, so 3e was literally an untested alpha rushed out by a jew and made popular by marketing campaigns. If you're defending it as a good system it's a good chance you've never played anything else in your entire life, and therefore can't have an informed opinion on the subject.
>>324244696
>keep the game from breaking
>muh balance
Why does this matter so much in single-player games? Balance is the reason why we get games with shit abilities like PoE.
Oh I forgot, BG2 also has the best and most fun magic in any video game ever. Yes it's clearly OP. And yes the other classes, like fighters, are really lacking and that's one real drawback of D&D.
>>324242083
>>324245191
>BG2 also has the best and most fun magic in any video game ever
more like most broken, it was like play as mage or be bored
>>324244804
Yes, but reducing magic users to 'ranger that shoots fireballs' is a shitty solution to a problem that wouldn't have existed if the game wasn't trying to use D&D rules.
>>324245191
>non physics enabled magic
>best
nah bra
>>324245319
well they could be reduced to frail utility class
rather than you know, becoming god at lv 10
>>324245379
>tiny, irrelevant 'feats' and 'skills
>spells, 80% of which are useless and 20%
And you call someone else uninformed, jesus christ, fuck off.
There is no room for good gameplay when you've got to make sure all your bugs are in the game.
>>324245524
meant for
>>324245149
>>324245285
That's the fault of the other classes, not the mages.
>>324245191
Let me guess, you saw those two words and your chicken brain started boiling immediately. I was talking about the balance in resource distribution. Since vidya have zero impromptu flexibility and throw ten times more monsters at you than any p&p party would face between levelups, they constantly drown you in healing potions and +x magic weapons, which makes healing a non-issue and magic gear even more bland than it already is. Oh yeah, and resting. Finding ways to rest in hostile environments is a big deal in p&p. Half of the point of rangers and druids is that they can find ways for party to recover resources in the field. In a video game, you just hit a button, an animation plays and all your abilities are refreshed. Video games PREVENT what little fun can be had in D&D.
> BG2 also has the best and most fun magic in any video game ever.
Let's not mince words. You are an imbecile.
>>324244804
>muh balance
If you're not using magic in a magic-based setting you only have yourself to blame.
because the Japanese don't bend over and take the tumblr demidyke transnigger strapon
>>324239150
It's like western developers feel ashamed of working with games and just wanted to be working with movies or TV instead.
>>324245624
>And you call someone else uninformed, jesus christ, fuck off.
Well I'm obviously better informed than you, since you harbor beliefs about 3e that are the opposite of reality. Skill system is a mess where being a burglar takes seven different skills but knowing everything about magic or being able to use all magic items is just one, feats mostly serve to
-prevent classes that don't have a feat from doing something everyone could try to do in older editions, like trying to disarm an opponent,
-be an unintentional crutch for martial characters, like how you can't make a relevant fighter without using power attack with a two-handed weapon,
-make magic users even more OP, see casting in wild shape for druids or persistent metamagic for clerics
-be a noob trap, like toughness, skill feats, weapon focus, and pretty much all of them ever published in official material or third party splatbooks bar maybe a couple dozen.
Magic I won't even comment. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>324245759
>Half of the point of rangers and druids is that they can find ways for party to recover resources in the field. In a video game, you just hit a button, an animation plays and all your abilities are refreshed.
It's not the fault of D&D that no vidya designer has ever made a dynamic and "deep" resting system. It would be no problem to assign a danger level to different zones in dungeons and other areas. And to make enemies actually go on patrols and stuff. It's the fault of video games themselves when they only throw static groups of monsters at you.
And yeah, BG2 still has the best magic system in video games, sorry m8. There is no other game that has something like 200 spells that barely repeat themselves and that nearly all have their uses.
>>324239150
because japan can actually animate shit.
>>324245769
>magic-based setting
Is that why three quarter of all core character classes don't have any access to magic?
No, it's shitty balancing and direct lifting of ad&d content while
-removing drawbacks magic users had to deal with,
-heavily buffing magic users,
-massively nerfing all other classes, as in making armor and shields a hundrance rather than an asset, giving frontline warriors shit saves, replacing ability checks with an awful skill system, and bloating hit points so much that dealing damage became the absolute worst way to kill anything,
-trying to 'fix' this through piles of magic gear, so by level 10 you're basically playing an item list - and a fairly standardized one, because most specific items you simply need in order to survive or do your job - with a name scribbled on top.
>>324246460
>200 spells that barely repeat themselves and that nearly all have their uses
Just walk away. You can't embarrass yourself an further than you already have, and you and your dumb opinion stand alone on the field. Just walk away.
>>324246205
>>324246607
This thread has seriously triggered your autism, it seems.
Have Japs ever taken a swing at traditional CRPGs?
>>324246782
>stand alone on the field
Well maybe in this thread, but generally? No I really don't.
I'm really sorry that this triggers you.
>>324243310
There is no black people in Tolkien fantasy.
because japanese realise vidya should first and foremost be toys. And be proud of being toys.
>>324239150
The real question is, why are Western-style games superior to Eastern-style games?
Because the west is the best, that's why.
>>324247812
Tell me, what is western-style? Endless QTEs and shit gameplay? Because that's what's what constitutes most western games these days.
>>324247812
Or simply because you're a westerner.
>>324244080
Witcher 3 is the only legitimately awesome game on that list. The others are either solid but unremarkable or not even out yet.
>>324243193
>pure melee
This guy.
>>324245149
>Let's also point out that as 3e was in development, TSR got bought by some retarded trust fund broad who wanted to turn D&D into a toy line and hated roleplaying so much she forbade any of it in company premises, so 3e was literally an untested alpha rushed out by a jew and made popular by marketing campaigns. If you're defending it as a good system it's a good chance you've never played anything else in your entire life, and therefore can't have an informed opinion on the subject.
This is completely wrong.
>West
Let's make a cinematic experience!
>East
Let's make a video game!
>>324239150
Souls is only one franchise versus the gorilion ones you have across the US and EU.
Plus the west is best at creating space themed and post nuclear games, themes in which Japan doesn't touch.
>>324249130
>post nuclear games, themes in which Japan doesn't touch.
I wonder why
>>324248768
Monte Cock was part of the problem, but it was the predictable part of the problem, because everything he ever made put huge emphasis on fluff while being poor mechanically.
>>324249060
>West
Let's make a cinematic experience where the player can control the story!
>East
Fuck it, just dump 35 hours of unskipable cut scenes and make the gameplay hard as shit to make it seem the game is longer than it is.
>>324243282
Same thing with Chinese, Norse, and Sumerian mythology, but why would a black man be in such a high rank there? Would the people at the time have a concept of such people?
>>324246859
Six years of either D&D 3e or nothing, until I managed to find another group. To say I've developed a dislike for the fans of the system would be an understatement.
>>324247170
Yes, there are millions people who have uninformed opinions.
>>324249268
Japan touches tons of stuff post-nuclear and dealing with the atrocities of war. Hell the entirety of Godzilla and Gundam, two of their biggest franchises deal with it.
>>324242083
Yeah
Let's hold up fucking final fantasy, an unreleased one too, as an example of good games
because it's been such a good series with no recent games that are bad
>>324239150
its not dark balls is at best a 7/10 game that is extremely overrated because of muh difficulty meme and because everyone wants to pretend they are so hardcore true gamurz
its garbage basically, and people respond to all and any criticism with git gud maymay
>>324249341
>"control"
>>324249341
West
>Make an easy game with some illusionary choices
East
>We can have both a long story and engaging gameplay, do it
Sound about right
>>324249130
>Plus the west is best at creating space themed and post nuclear games, themes in which Japan doesn't touch.
Dude a fucking star ocean game was about nuc holo. Nukes are the explicit cause of hell on earth in multiple SMT games, MGS is about nukes and Ace combat was always about nukes
Japs have tonnes of nuke games
>>324249823
FFXIII was still better than DA2 or Cisquisition
>>324249060
Um the last few games I've played where I've had to sit through "story" have all been japanese
You have MGS with all it's fucking hour long cutscenes (or an hour long intro in V), FF with billions of cutscenes and almost every other jrpg in history with story dumps
The only argument for them not being "cinematic" is the fact that the story isn't edited down to a reasonable length.
This isn't good storytelling, it's wanton indulgence
>>324250314
Game with a lot of cutscenes =/= cinematic experience
>>324250184
Wasn't better than inquisition desu, at least that had some involved gameplay.
And we shouldn't be competing to see which game is the absolute worst, this was about the horseshit claim that FF is "games for people who enjoy games"
>>324250401
>East let's make a videogame
Yeah because 10 hours of cutscenes really fits with this
>>324250314
Japan seems way more willing to indulge the desires of their creative directors than the west. Whilst this does work sometimes (i.e. souls) most of the time it leads to shit like lightning or quiet and a rubbish but really long story
>>324250093
Worked so great with Final Fantasy XIII and Star Ocean IV eheh
>>324250475
It never last this long and it doesn't hurt the game.
Now forced walking, camera and over abundance of QTEs and mini cutscene everywhere during gameplay is a cinematic experience.
>mfw weaboos are all shit eaters with short memories (and dicks too)
>>324250849
>it doesn't hurt the game.
Ayy what is FF13
>Now forced walking, camera and over abundance of QTEs and mini cutscene everywhere during gameplay is a cinematic experience
You tell them girl *goes back to his review copy of Storm 4 while slurping Japanese semen*
>souls
>good action RPG series
When will this meme finally die?
>>324251101
>le FF13
One bad game, wow.
>>324251101
>*action*
Get the fuck out cancer normie.
>>324251209
When people who think that dipshit like The Witcher 3 is good will finally die.
>>324251215
>FFXIII
>only ONE game
Lmao don't worry, the FF13 triloshit wasn't even THAT bad compared to the stink fest that are the new Tales and Star Ocean games.
>>324251406
Souls games aren't even RPGs, dumbfuck.
>>324250093
Actually it's the opposite. JRPGs are the ones that started with the whole giving options that doesn't affect anything.
Western RPGs used to having meaningful options until they became console pandering games, now it's all about that wheel of responses that don't do jack shit. Thanks Bioware.
>>324251451
(you)
>>324251461
Yes, they are.
>>324251492
I was not only talking about RPGs. But in this case you're right.
It's a shame the west just dropped it.
>>324242456
yuropoors really are this stupid
>>324250931
JRPG are anime fags that only care about waifus.
As long as there is a cute anime girl they'll play the game. The simple fact you people take the opinions of this human garbage seriously baffles me.
>>324251723
>believe literal memes as the truth
>think he's worth any more than trash
Cute
>>324239150
They are better at everything other than meme genres like RTS and FPS, it has always been this way.
>>324251564
xDdd we we the tootie tootie waifu gaem xDd holy shit I love her I booth the expansive collectors edition xdd this game kinda sucks tho xd no worries the tootie tootie waifu 2 was released in Japan! They say its better! lol Kay? *cuts his dick off to appease his gf boyfriend*
>>324251723
Better than NOT playing good games because they have a cute girls. So insecure, holy shit.
Can't disappoint your dad and mom after all right?
>>324251934
>>324250931
>mfw westacucks are all cuckolds who get cucked by their devs pandering to SJWs
>mfw people think Slavs and Japs aren't the only people making good games these days
>>324252845
>polacs
>Slavs
because skyrim is old and busted on it's own
Gooks have never made a single RPG
>>324251887
Waifufaggotry is a reality though.
It takes less than a minute in 4chan to realize that.
>>324252991
This, JRPGs are just turn-based visual novels hack n slash.
>>324241598
>japan treats games like games
>this is bad somehow
>>324252845
>mfw people care about 'SJWs'
>>324251581
They are character action games.
>>324253209
But I don't. They might as well not exist to me since I don't play games that pander to them (read: Western games).
>>324254078
>refusing to play 50% of games that come out because of non-existent 'SJWs'
>i-i dont care u guys...
>>324253762
>character action
>>324239150
Because aesthetics have nothing to do with gameplay and honestly most of them suck because people grab the worst elements of RPGs (stat grinding, unlocking way too many skills, limit of active skills) and allow themselves to use shallow combat system because it's an RPG.
Just look at Dragon's Dogma. 3 skills per weapon and no dedicated dodge button for every weapon is horrible. Same with stamina system that promotes just bringing shittons of consumables and searching for augments that aren't even in your vocation.
>>324243193
>playing divinity by yourself
Well there's your fucking problem, faggot.
Because the japs realized that RPGs don't need to be bogged down in dialogue to be engaging.
They've actually come a long way in their RPG crafting.
>>324239150
Japan is just better at making precise and exact gameplay mechanics. Western devs kinda wing it so you get games where no-hit runs are even theoretically impossible.
>>324254998
>They've actually come a long way in their RPG crafting.
Yes, by turning them into pure hack and slashes.
>>324255474
>pure hack and slashes
>JRPGs
>not TES series
The last thing your could call the something like the Souls series is "pure hack and slash".
>>324255474
Hack and Slash is Diablo retard. What you mean is Beat'em Up which applies whenever they are slashing weapons or not.
>>324247240
>Haradim
>not black
>>324239150
>uses dark souls as an example for a JRPG
The soulsborne games are pretty much WRPGs though
>>324255673
JRPGs are pure hack and slash games. Most WRPGs aren't.
In tabletop games, a hack and slash is essentially a D&D game minus everything that isn't combat-oriented. So combat-oriented stats, combat-oriented decision making / goals, and combat-oriented events are in the game, but everything else is taken out of the adventure. It turns the games into basically primitive turn-based strategy games with no roleplaying. This is what JRPGs are, sometimes with reflex-based mechanics involved (aka action in vidya).
Some WRPGs also don't place any emphasis on anything outside of combat, and most also throw action-based mechanics in the mix, but most of them still try to incorporate stats, decision making / goals, and events outside of combat and are more social-oriented, the addition of which makes roleplaying even slightly possible.
>>324239150
Because the West doesn't make them anymore, you goober.
>>324255903
The Haradrim are arab, not black.
>>324245273
>those lips
muh dick
>>324256349
They are dark skinned and they braid their hair in ornate fashion. Seems black to me.
>>324256283
I will never understand this meme.
>>324254309
>non-existent
but that's wrong, baka
>>324256283
Hello FBI
>>324251907
j-japs can't even make games for best genres and weaboo tout them as superior? pathetic. Are they salty that the West literally invented nearly all the genres in video game?
