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What are common traits of a bad Mario Maker level?
Being killed if you dont move instantly at the start by an enemy or a spring
DON'T PRESS ANYTHING LOL!
Being able to run strat to the goal after taking a hit because of your iframes
>>324203435
Lakitus above you as soon as the level starts
Getting locked out of progressing the level and having to restart.
>take a pipe/door
>leads to a one-way trap
>laughter sfx
Same thing as any hack. Enemy spam, unavoidable hits, trial and error gameplay, inconsistent design, inappropriate length, requiring obscure or frame perfect glitches to finish, all that sort of stuff.
Placing springs beyond the goal pole so mario can't get in the castle
Shit got old very quick and every fucking level does it
Made by someone from Japan.
A door that drops you into lava.
All of the posts so far have been correct but
>developer pipe
Really gets me.
>>324203435
>Starting up the game.
Japanese
Obvious answer but spamming enemies. And the laughter sfx in general is just a way to hint a bad level
>SFX Spam
>Trap Pipe/Doors
>Lakitu Spam
>Automatic Levels
>Dying as soon as the level starts unless you move
>Enemy Spam in general
>"LOL THE LEVEL IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT BECAUSE IT USED A GLITCH OR EXPLOIT THAT IS NOW PATCHED"
>"LOL THE LEVEL IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BEAT BECAUSE IT REQUIRES PIXEL PERFECT JUMPS"
>>324203867
You just got trolled, son. In a videogame.
>>324203435
>Tower of Bowser, like in your pic
>opens with 40 Lakitus
>3-4 doors, all but one lead to death with a laugh sfx
>disco sfx spam
>sfx spam in general
>springs on springs on springs
>levels with nothing but a star, and a ton of falling platforms that require nearly perfect jumps to do
>NSMB water level, i've never seen a good one
>invisible blocks over pits
>anything made by ross
>leaps of faith
>invisible blocks everywhere
>invisible blocks that ruin your jumps and kill you
>invisible blocks that trap you and force you to restart if you fall down into an innocuous looking area
>>324203726
Lakitus in general really, especially if there's more than 1 of them
>>324206583
>it's a "Don't touch the Mushrooms" Level
>Left at the start is a drop
>Outright smells of a trap
>"START IS A TRAP" is the title
>Go left anyway
>It's a trap with lots of pointless sound effects
>>324206598
What the fuzzle is a Lakitu?
Japanese levels
Shitters who can only think of Unfair Mario-like levels
>>324203435
No mushrooms (unless it's a pure platforming level with no enemies)
Any level that forces you to choose a correct door or you die. I've seen entire levels based around this.
>post yfw this is played
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uwFVCUyROA
>>324206583
What do people who play mario maker call them? I think witwix calls them kazu or cancel blocks or something?
>>324206664
>tfw ever since I was a wee lad and heard about Lunar Magic I wanted to make a whole game but I was too retarded to do pretty much anything in it
>planned out all the shit in it anyway
>was going to have a world where to get to the extra exit you had to stay as small Mario the whole time and dodge the powerups
>thought I was so 100% clever and original
>when Super Mario Maker comes out it's the absolute first thing I make
>mfw I found out all those other people had the same idea as me the whole time and I'm not super-d-duper original and smart
I'm more surprised at the fact that I'm surprised at all to be honest.
Basically any level with a kaizo block (hidden block placed so you'll hit it during a jump and fall to your death).
Literally the epitome of artificial difficulty shit talentless design
>>324207043
>objects that you need to clear in puzzle levels don't have a pipe that restocks them if you fuck up
>poorly placed Lakitu lets you steal his cloud and skip the entire stagesome might consider that a good thing
>Russian Roulette, but with doors or pipes
>leaps of faith
>Hammer Bro spam
>>324207121
Having a Secret Exit that requires you to be Small Mario is a nice challenge if done right and all, but I mean like "GET THE MUSHROOM AND YOU CAN'T WIN LOL".
>>324203435
if they were to add another game's assets to mario maker, which would you want
super mario land 2
super mario bros 2/usa
super mario 64 (they could just force the camera to look 2d)
>>324207085
They just call it "(Creators name) Mario 1-1"
they think they're special making "2HARD4U" levels but they're just annoying.
>>324207043
>>324207315
That one newgrounds Peach game where you fuck your way to the end.
>>324207085
>witwix
>>324207043
>>324207085
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizo_Mario_World
>>324207043
>>324203637
These are actually a godsend in 100 mario challenge.
You get to chill out instead of playing some piece of shit level.
>>324206598
Lakitu in SMM are ass. They exist even if they're off screen which doesn't happen in a real Mario game.
>>324207121
It's actually common enough that I've seen a number of collaborations state that you can't make a level that forces you to small/large to be able to finish
>>324207492
>mfw someone says witwix is a good streamer
>mfw he admitted on stream to being a sell out who plays shitty games for money from advertisers
>>324207315
I mainly just want a few more enemies. Chargin' Chucks would be awesome.
>>324207761
I skip those levels on principle. If I wanted to sit there and not play Mario I'd go do something productive with my time like jerk myself off.
doors that lead to a room that kills you instantly
missing a jump puts you into a pit where you have to kill yourself
![eTXQc[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/BuEuaWr.gif "eTXQc[1].gif")
>>324207876
ive tried to tune in a couple of times, and its exactly like how I'd expect hanging out with vee IRL to go with all the "dank memes" and stupid bullshit. But I guess that's the Twitch crowd in general to begin withfuck I'm getting old
>Kazio wanna be levels
>trap doors
>anything made by japan
>levels based on mobile app games
>the preview of a level has pixel art
>Don't move at all levels
>music levels
>>324207043
>Brother wants to make level and upload it on my account
>It's a don't touch anything level
>Makes a second level to upload onto my account
>It's a "you can't win if you lose the mushroom at the start" level
>>324206598
You just motivated me to make a good Lakitu level. I think it needs some slow scrolling for it to be effective.
Maybe you'll play it some day.
>>324208309
DELETE THEM.
>>324208309
Make him use a different account to upload his garbage levels.Post them here so we can leave mean comments
>>324208425
DELETE THIS
I know I'll be called a casual for this, but did anyone else just straight up give up on ever finishing 100 Mario expert challenge the required amount of times to unlock everything?
This mode just isn't fun and it seems like it tests your patience more than your skill. It gets really old skipping levels until you find one that wasn't made just for trolling purposes.
Finishing it two times was enough for me. I tip my fedora to anyone that has the patience to put up with all that bullshit 30 fucking times.
We're sfx'es a mistake? I think so.
>>324208213
This. Please screencap for reference.
>>324208964
Yeah I gave up once I finished Easy/Normal mode.
Having to deal with 16 bullshit levels like this is just not fun. The whole concept is flawed when it's based on user levels instead of professional levels.
Dunkey's sums it up nicely in his new video.
https://youtu.be/o_oEB0qf7Hg
#9
>>324208763
hello?
Post your best level. I wanna play some good ones.
>>324206739
Those cloud fuckers that fly around tossing shit down at you.
>>324208964
I've got about 55 expert clears. You get a lot of bullshit, but a lot of decent levels, too.
anything with excessive use of sound effects
namely the laughing one
>>324209419
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/D0CC-0000-005A-7F03
>water level
>invisible blocks when jumping over a pit
>death from the beginning
>scrolling level
>no discernable difficulty curve, if any
any level with four billion enemies all assraping you that you're supposed to just fly through using stars or i-frames from losing a mushroom or whatever while trying to get past them
I haven't seen a single level that spams ANYTHING that is good.
Also any NSMB levels that either require too much wall jumping or forget that it exists at all.
>>324209620
>purposeful misleading of the player
>enemies up the ass
>leaps of faith
>laughing sound effects after following arrows
>in the Expert difficulty setting
90% of the time, "Expert" stands for either
>instadeath unless you hold B and right
>auto levels that kill you at the end unless you move
>wannabe Kaizo trash
>typical 4 doors 3 traps bullshit
>enemy spam
I've seen maybe 10 levels in all of Expert that were decent
So how many stars do I need to post more than 10 levels? I try to make challenging levels that dont use too strong gimmicks, but I can't get any stars though since everyone is too busy giving stars to "don't move" levels or Ross' levels.
>>324206530
>make a level where it starts out with you making your way to the top of the level
>the entire time you can see coins going straight down into a hole on the right side with safe areas to the left and right of the coins
>all my friends say it was bullshit to make the coins lead into a pit
I even explicitly told all of them "make sure to look at what's coming up in the level" when they first started the level
>>324208971
Yes, if i have to hear that fucking disco sfx ever again i'm going to lose it
>>324209845
>only enjoy difficult levels
>expert mode offers shit and not much else
Life is pain.
What determines difficulty? Just completion percentage? If so I have a level that isn't retarded but yet has a <1% completion rate.
>>324210027
Completetion. If a level has less than maybe 15(?) Percent, then it's classified as expert.
>>324209953
Beginner: Auto levels, run through 80 enemies with a star, and beginner levels that are too easy
Intermediate: Auto levels that people didn't know were auto because the name was japanese, a few decently thought out levels, but a LOT of Tower of Bowsers and springs on springs on springs
Expert: Horseshit instadeath levels that spam either enemies, invisible blocks, kaizo shit, or all 3
>>324209419
Super Mario Space Program
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/206F-0000-014F-ED19
Super Mario Space Program 2
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/02CB-0000-018A-1910
Super Mario Space Program 3: A Space Odyssey
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/F92C-0000-0195-F8F6
Basically any level with one time shots at things. Played so many god damn levels that required a perfect koopa shell toss but without a door or ample space to backtrack to reset it if you miss.
>>324207043
Better than the samba.
>>324207043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtQQ0jK1uuw
>>324210108
Which is stupid because even levels that are literally a straight path to the goal with no obstacles still manage to only have 60% completion
The absolute worst is the secret block that lets you in on a secret that allows you to bypass the entire level.
People that do that are cowards, straight up.
>>324211125
What kind of accent is this?
>>324212159
German
He's the most famous mario maker and best level creator on 4chan
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/maebbie
>>324210329
I can't fucking look at Mario with that mushroom
He looks all
>All righty now, I say it's about time to skibidy boodily into this here spaceship
Like some sort of White Bill Cosby
>>324212412
Cool, I should check him out
>>324212412
He's a shitposter
>>324203435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3An7eUsnUc
>>324210402
How about both are shit, but they're different kinds of shit?
Samba sounds like shit and surrounds mario in shit
Disco sounds like shit that's trying to sound "cool" and fucks with the screen
>>324213168
stay jealous
>>324211125
>mah-wee-oh
kek
>>324212986
I feel you, the only reason I used the mushroom was:
1) He's floaty and that worked well with space and zero gravity
2) I don't see it used very much
>>324203435
Mario Maker
Too bad it's still inferior to freeware game makers where you can hear shit like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCiFO7qV54E
>want SMM
>don't want to pay 60 bucks for it
What the hell Nintendo. There was one guy on craigslist selling it but it was a digital download on his Wii U.
>>324213070
>>324213168
He's garbage and pretended to be a girl to get a gorillion stars and stopped making anything shortly after getting the 10th medal.
>Standing looking jump
>Invisible block
>Laugh
If you could selectively block levels with SFX you dont like I would.
>>324213560
Welcome to Nintendo.
>>324209419
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/ABDF-0000-007A-D005
>magikoopas
>multiple bowsers
>giant clown car bowser jr
I havent seen one level where any of these have not been complete random bullshit as to whether the enemy can even be touched without taking a hit
>>324211837
They really needed some sort of more in depth way of determining this stuff. Have a tagging system, let people rate difficulty and quality, etc, anything to filter out the trash.
>>324203435
Sound effects. There is not one level that uses these to add anything of value.
>>324210329
This is a neat idea. I just finished the first one, and playing the others now.
>>324214878
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8OjPKN9B4
>>324213703
His autism posting in the nintendo generals was very amazing.
By amazing I mean he needs to get checked into a mental asylum.
Why are all the levels made by Japanese people so ridiculous and time consuming?
>>324215931
because nips are literally autistic
They really should remove or change the life system. I feel that it discourages people to play anything remotely difficult since trying to beat it will cut a large percentage of their total lives.
For example a system where each level you start off with 10 lives and removing the skip feature (you can still end your life in the menu but you'd have to do it each time). If you run out of lives you failed that level and it moves to the next one, giving you the opportunity to star it and save it for later if you liked the challenge. This would encourage players to at the very least try out the bullshit instead of leaving at first site. In the end, your success rate will be held as a percentage of levels you completed to failed and your highest success rate will be shown on the screen.
>Level is unbeatable normally
>Only way to win is with a hidden dev door at the start of the level
>>324211125
I fucking love this. That fucking slot machine stage holy shit. This guy is a master of suffering. Loved the psychology about using bridges to punish players for jumping. Liked the water one where you have to swim near the death line and how he likened it to working in retail.
>>324218331
He's the best level creator on /v/
>trying to unlock the Nikki costume
>get a shitload of animal crossing costumes first
>can only unlock her through normal difficulty
>>324219339
>not using the trick
>>324219425
Elaborate.
>wanna do some MM levels
>gotta setup WiFi password on WiiU again
Fuck, drinking makes me lazy
>numerous spike traps
>precarious progression methods
>automatic levels
>fast speed scrolling while swimming
Just make a damned normal level.
Do you think Nintendo will add red spikes that will even kill Super Mario in one hit?
It seems like a good addition in theory, but will be horribly abused in practice.
>>324219048
Stop. Nobody likes you.
>>324207315
I would like a reskin of Mario 1 and 3 to look like All Stars.
>>324219869
holy shit this
I thought I was the only one who noticed
>>324219918
the stars speak for them self
stop being jealous
Overuse of sound effects
>>324220175
Keep making your terrible courses and you might reach 100 stars one day lmao
maebbie is the best
I'm surprised nobody has said
>(ecelebs name here) PLAY THIS!!!!!! SUPER HARD IMPOSSIBLE I WANNA BE ON UTUBE
>>324220272
It's like I'm on /mk8g/ again
>>324220302
I saw, like, one level for vinny from vinesauce.
And that guy posts here I think? I've seen him namefag unless it's some OTHER Vinny.
>>324220272
>>324220401
>>324213168
I'm done replying now.
>>324220507
The Vinny here is a different guy.
>>324207261
Hammer bros are really hard to use well. I usually end up using a mushroom to cheese past them if I can.
>>324220603
alright, just making sure. I don't actually know a lot about vinesauce, I just hear about it sometimes.
>>324203435
The worst offender is easily the hidden shortcut to the end at the start of the level. It's a good sign that the maker couldn't actually beat it and they're often impossible unless you find it.
>>324219339
why are there so many goddamn animal crossing costumes
>>324206729
I don't know why this is making me laugh so much
The futility the creator must have felt
The dead look on his eyes as he placed the sound effects
"hmm this seems kind of cheap... I should... I should warn people"
Calls it Start is a Trap and browses his laptop in bed until it's too late to get a good night sleep
Watches the sun rise with tears in his eyesLaughter sfx
>>324207315
Absolutely Mario 2. It's be the best looking of the original trilogy.
>>324219937
I'd like this too, I have a stronger affinity to those versions of Mario 1 and 2 since I didn't have a NES.
>>324207315
I want a gameboy-styled one personally, so probably Mario Land 2.
>>324207315
How about starting with the correct physics for each tileset?
>it's a Ross level
>>324203435
Blind jumps, le epic enemy spam and too many pipes/doors that lead to unavoidable deaths.
>>324209419
I got your back, friend.
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/14CC-0000-0152-3FFD
>>324204135
This. I impulse skip jap levels now. Fuck Japan.
>I'm talking to people who haven't beaten Big boss Reimu.
>>324223090
>star for star
>5 copies of the exact same stage multiple times
wat
>>324207043
>>324203435
A door that leads to a bottomless pit.
There's something that I really like seeing /v/ complain about crappy Super Mario Maker levels.
>pipe just floating with nothing attached to it
I think this shit annoys me the most. Just put two blocks behind it for fucks sake.
>>324207297
Especially when the level is bleeding mushrooms.
>>324222908
>it's a Ross level
>a lakitu at the start
>no effort has been made to make sure you can't skip the entire level just by killing it and hopping in the cloud
>>324224817
Same. I thought Nintendo would put at least more effort into what can be done with pipes, but I'll admit that the product ain't that bad and can be compensated with ease.
>>324209419
This is my latest level:
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/2E98-0000-0190-DB16
After playing through it a few times I consider it my most favorite one so far.
>get a mushroom early on
>no more mushrooms in the level
>if you lose it, you're screwed because of a place where you have to take damage to win
>>324209419
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/DA17-0000-0193-21F9it's my first too. but I'm so proud of it. Especially the ending.
>Levels that require little to no input
>Levels that require TAS level input
>Those are literally all of the levels.
Fucking hell guys.
>>324225895
I try to make my levels challenging, but fair.
What's the site you can use to share levels again? I forgot it and i'm a lazy piece of shit
>>324225765
I think we can just summarize that as:
>having to take damage to win
There's no excuse for that ever.
>>324224817
I do what I want.
>>324203435
Throwing random things in just to make it "difficult."
>>324222835
That would be a pain to play multiple levels in procession. It's not the worst idea, but the physics changing for every 100 Mario course would be really annoying.
>>324206598
It's perfectly possible to make good Lakitu levels. Even with multiple of them. There's always going to be some randomness to them, which is why I'm not a huge fan. But I've played some good ones. Mostly, you have to do them like in the original SMB and make the level optimal for running. Like, don't also have a shitload of other enemies. I've played a few good ones that are like that. Also, making them throw things other than Spiny when there's multiple of them helps.
>>324203435
People that make levels that they couldn't beat themselves so they make a runway at the top to cheese it
Japan
>tries to be challenging but is usually bullshit
Germany
>terrible placement of platforms, enemies, and items (may as well be randomized). blocks will usually have enemies inside
America
>usually the motherfuckers who try to kill you right at the beginning, or just copy the default levels
These sound about right?
>>324209419
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/12C3-0000-010F-C725
A level I made based on Metroid. Also the first one I ever made.
>Make a completely empty, flat overworld level
>Put a door on the castle and call it The Seinfeld Level
>it is my most popular level
>? blocks with Boo rings inside them
>they're all giant
Spikes around the goal after a blind drop
>don't touch anything level
>99% of the level is just spent on platforms moving along a rail while some hazards get somewhat close to you
is this a fucking mario game or the world's gayest rollercoaster simulator.
>>324227787
I don't play Mario Maker, what happens here? Mario grabs the axe and then dies because you lose control of him at that point and your momentum carries you into the axe or what?
Who else has beaten Companion Spring 2: Bounce Back
Feels fucking good to be part of that .04 percent.
>>324228064
I think he means if you were to drop from the top, from right above the spikes. You'd need to know they were there and hold left.
I wish Auto Levels and Music levels could be cleared out. They offer nothing to the game and they just shit up the top rated levels.
>SUPER HARD RNG LEVEL
>There is a hidden block to reach a door to complete the level because oh wow
>>324226191
you fucking madman
>>324209257
>MGSV in #1
>undertale in #2
I always knew he had really shitty taste
>>324228190
That's what it was. Above there was a p-switch wall to go through that was guarded by spinys. Fail and you have to take the route in front of the axe. Succeed, like I did, and then it's a blind fall when you know you are at the end of the level because you're at the edge of the screen. Just a bad idea all around, whether it was intentional or not.
>>324206429
>>324208040
Automatic levels allow you to play Mario and jerk off at the same time
>laughter sfx
>>324209876
I thought Super Mario Maker didn't have vertically scrolling levels?
>>324207043
>>324207043
I don't get it.
>>324207043
Play some of my levels
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/Ultraforza
Post your face when you're on Expert 100-Mario Challenge and the level name is in Japanese
Made a special stage for all those Princess Daisy fans.
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/B3F3-0000-0196-9D84
>>324207043
>additional "HOO"s are scattered across the level
>>324230289
I already played a couple. I'll likely do more later.
>>324230295
i skip those stages so fast, the thwomp that falls straight on you as soon as you start the stage doesnt even have time to fall
>>324209419
Here are the ones I've made I'm most proud of.
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/D5FE-0000-00EE-7D95
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/F905-0000-0192-8495
https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/courses/FD9D-0000-0117-5762
>got all the costumes
>never have to play any of that shit again
>>324230295
In all honesty, sometimes I figure out where the dev path is real quick in enemy spam levels. In one case I completed a level pretty damn quickly by going the "intended" path (Bowser's not predictable aside from telegraphing if there is any so I was lucky he made a huge jump when I was running to the goal).
>>324231064
>just got the game
>HAVE to go through this hell
>>324231845
Skip levels, it will save your sanity.
>>324231845
You can still unlock the costumes in Normal difficulty. Also, if you actually own amiibo you can unlock them in the editor.
