to Metroidvania's. God damn, why are they so good.
That's literally Castlevania, not a metroidvania.
>>324189045
>he thinks castlevania isn't a metroidvania
>>324189045
you unlock metroid in new game+
>>324189045
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Define+Metroidvania
>>324189045
It is a metroidvania because it's a castlevania in the style of metroid.
>>324189045
i want iga cocksuckers to leave.
>>324188826
>Love all Castlevanias and especially the metroidvanias
>Can't stand Metroid
Pretty weird considering I adore sci-fi
>>324188826
its also my favorite genre. some people hate it but i generally enjoy backtracking after getting a new power up and finding what new things i can do in old areas
>>324188826
What does /v/ Consider essential Castlevania games? There's so fucking many of them I don't know where to start.
>>324189596
castlevania 3, rondo of blood, symphony of the night, aria of sorrow, any of the ds games
>>324189596
Circle of the moon is one of my favs but I recognize that is slow at the beginning to pick up and get traction , one you get a few Good card combo sets then you're good to go.
>>324189596
Portrait of Ruin, Dawn of Sorrow, Order of Ecclesia and Symphony of the Night are the best. Harmony of Despair would have been better if an actual community existed.
action rpgs are already good on the combat department. adding platforming and exploration to the design just makes the product even better.
i've yet to play a bad metroidvania. they're pretty easy to make right so long as you consult the greats as you're making them.
>>324189953
portrait of ruin is much better than the other two
>>324190285
While PoR is my favourite, Order of Ecclesia was better.
They're alright, but they need SOME way to set themselves apart.
Going through a game and seeing a bunch of purple doors then waiting for the inevitable 'purple powerup' so I can backtrack and see what's in all of them is pretty played out at this point.
Call them for what they really are, a CASTLEVANIA, you know why? Because Metroid fucking sucks, as simple as that.
>>324188826
What I don't get is that neither Nintendo nor Konami seem to want to capitalize on the popularity of Metroidvanias. Every third indie game today seems to call itself a Metroidvania. There's clearly demand. But Konami and Nintendo seem to hate money.
>>324189953
Aria is great too.
OoE > AoS > DoS > PoR > SotN > CotM > HoD
Played Guacamelee at a pal's flat the other day.
Didn't care for it at all. Not trying to shitpost,if you like it that's fine. It just didn't click for me.
Initially the combat seemed like it would get cool but its not nearly as complex as my friend built it up to be.
The most fun I had were with the little platforming puzzles.
Maybe I'll give it another shot someday.
At any rate, have any of you played Apotheon?
Is that any good?
>people still use the term "Metroidvania" even though Metroid has been a generic FPS for the last two or three generations
>>324188826
it has to do with how the reward system in your brain works. basically you're presented with a problem, you solve it, and are rewarded for doing so.
>>324188826
Because they're easy as fuck and you're a casual piece of shit.
Candy Crush takes more skill than any Metroid game.
>>324191452
Come on. Look at this trailer and tell me that you're not getting hype
>>324191538
>Nintendo out of touch with their fan base
Yep that's Nintendo, subverting our expectations, giving us what we weren't asking for. Sometimes it works like with Wind waker's style and other times it's a 'Federation Force' pile of poo.
>>324192156
>Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hjhqwXhMBo
>>324192156
You know how they're going to be called now? BLOODVANIA
BECAUSE BLOODSTAINED WILL BRING US BACK CASTLEVANIA GAMES
>>324191882
It's almost as if they're referencing the 2D games.
Metroid Prime is hardly a generic FPS, may I had.
>>324192260
Metroid is for obese neckbeards virgins living in their parent's basement.
Castlevania is for gay men and yaoi fangirls.
>>324192553
cant i be both?
>>324189596
If you only ever play one Castlevania game, make it Symphony of The Night.
>>324189045
Here's your (you).
>>324191852
Guacamelee didn't click for me either, neither did Outland come to think of it. I didn't play much of Guacamelee but from what I can tell both of those games feel a lot smaller and contained vs a real Metroidvania. Like the sense of exploration is stunted. Havn't played Apotheon yet, my backlog is too big as is.
>>324192426
In_Koji_Igarashi_we_trust.jpg
>>324192553
>posting in a Metroidvania thread
So what games do you like?
>>324188826
>forcing a GBA game to 4:3 aspect
>>324193105
SotN isn't even the best Metroidvania game, let alone the best Castlevania. Pls go.
>>324192426
I really don't care for Miriam's design. Iga mentioned other playable characters and multiplayer. I really hope Somacard here has a campaign.
>>324191882
prime are 3d metroidvania
>>324193141
>le you meme
Fuck off, I bet you're one of those faggots who also say "underrated post" and "le kuck"
>>324193487
Same here, all I care about is the gameplay, let the weaboos make their generals fapping to Miriam I don't even care.
>>324193339
You're entitled to your opinion, but it is more likely than not the best entry point he could take. Stop being a contrarian faggot. Sotn is fantastic.
>>324193581
Have another (you). (You) could've just asked for it if (you) wanted it so much, geez.
>>324193581
(You)
>tfw I finished high school and literally finished my college studies 4 years later
>this game is not out yet
Castlevania is dead, Metroid is dead, Maze of Galious is dead but at least La Mulana lives on.
>>324193673
Agreed, I just alwayshate playing the teenage girl in a miniskirt. She's supposed to be customizable though, maybe I'll throw her in the plague doctor outfit.
>>324193783
Gentlemen, this is truly cancer manifest.
>>324193581
Here's your (you).
(You) earned it, reddit.
does anybody has a metroidvania-core chart?
just thinking about how everyone should play Axiom Verge and Environmental Station Alpha
>>324193165
>So what games do you like?
Classicvania.
It's still gay as fuck, but in a different way. It's a Village People type of gay, while Metroidvania is a Clay Aiken type of gay.
>>324193697
Fuck, I meant it is.
Start with SOTN if you're new, is my point.
>>324193916
(you) (you) (you)
There, (you) should be satisfied for a week I reckon.
YOU'D THINK THERE WOULD BE A MILLION GAMES FOCUSING ON EXPLORATION NOW THAT SHIT'S 3D BUT HELL NO FUCK YOU SUPER METROID IS STILL THE CLOSEST WE EVER GOT TO EXPLORING A FOREIGN PLANET
>>324194034
It's funny how you said "everyone should play" and then didn't follow it up with "Valdis Story." That's a pretty big typo, Anon.
>>324194168
This.
best metroidvania
>>324194168
Super Metroid feels nothing like exploring a castle, it feels like exploring a RPG dungeon.
>>324194034
>Axiom Verge
Pointless, boring and bad. Worst locales in any Metroidvania and that's saying something.
>Environmental Station Alpha
Hurgh
The problem with indie Metroidvanias is that most of them feel like a Metroidvania light. Exploration rarely feels right.
>>324194296
(You) sure showed me. Have another (You).
>>324188826
Game?
>>324194508
>le paint edit meme
>>324193487
I wanna play that Jetstream Sam-lookin' motherfucker.
>>324194526
Please be bait
>there will never be a game with a swag as fuck bearded evil Soma with the player role filled by Yoko and Julius' offspring
goddamnit it's not fair
>>324194221
jeez thanks anon
it looks too fucking weeb for my taste
but whatever I'll give it a try
Wasnt lords of shadows mirrors of fate also a metroidvania game? (the 3ds one)
>>324194324
>no level focused on Vampire Wario
Such a complex and fully realized transformation, complete with it's own tutorial, used twice for seconds at a time in the whole damn game.
>>324194582
>le "le meme" meme
(You)
>>324194638
It's not bait, fucking answer me already you piece of shit.
>>324193673
Miriam being cute will just be a bonus if the gameplay is ace.
>>324194412
You take that back anon.
>>324194645
Aren't Yoko and Julius kind of related?
>>324194526
looks like aria of sorrow
>>324189045
think before posting please.
HALF GENIE HERO WHEN
>>324194741
>le you meme
>that ratio
>>324194526
Castlevania Aria of Sorrow, for GBA. One of the best, and best design for Soma Cruz. His DS anime redesign is shit, but Dawn of Sorrow is a fantastic game.
Have you brushed up on your knowledge about Norse mythology yet?
Is Ori any good?
>>324194716
>used twice for seconds
It was used a lot more than twice.
>>324194775
Didn't necessarily mean like they fucked, just like one or both of them had their own offspring. I like to think that goofball Hammer finally got lucky with Yoko.
>>324194747
It's in the jpg file name
>>324194412
come on man they are pretty good games, of course everything looks shit compared to super metroid, no need to shit on those, after all both games are the metroids nintendo is not making
>>324194851
I don't know how many more (You)s I can give out tonight, Anon. I'm already over my (You) limit.
>>324194962
It is great.
>>324195086
So why would I be playing a game that's inferior to what I played when I was 7?
>>324194606
Swole as fuck. I really hope these gentleman are playable in a realized campaign, not just some shallow shit like playing Richter in SOTN.
>>324195113
>le you meme
I see some people has a whole lifestyle around it.
>>324193165
He likes manly non-loser games, like CoD and Madden.
>>324194962
It's good, but skill tree is pointless and no bosses
I'd say it's better at platforming rather than being a metroidvania
>>324194645
But Yoko was into Alucard.
>>324192156
Why would I be hype at all? Does it have new content or anything?
No reason to get excited for a game I already played anon. I don't care if it's on WiiU VC.
Any good metroidvanias to play in a PSP (emulation included)? I already have played the castlevania and metroid games.
>>324194704
It was shit is what it was.
>>324193105
>Not Aria of Sorrow
Get your shit straight m8.
>>324194751
I dislike cute in gothic adventure games. I want to be a vampire man or a Van Helsing.
>>324195410
So sad to see CV end on such a high note as OoE. It took 6 tries but suddenly I wanted nothing but more metroidvania.
>>324195420
Cringiest thing I've seen in a long time.
>>324195154
whatever bud, go play super metroid again, or some intense hardcore hack of it
the core metroidvanias, for new players that want to hit the high points:
metroid 3
symphony of the night
aria of sorrow
metroid zero mission
Hard for a beginner, but still pretty dope:
order of ecclesia
super metroid zero mission (super metroid mod)
Cave Story
untitled story
not awful and not great
all other DS and GBA castlevanias
Meme games, shit taste for shit players:
la mulana
legacy of the wizard
axiom verge
ori and the blind forest
nearly all super metroid mods
>>324194845
soon
so like, maybe fall or winter 2016
>>324195424
Aria of Sorrow is practically a sequel to SOTN.
>>324195973
>SotN
>AoS
>high points
Hahahahaha. Pretty sure Portrait of Ruin is better than SotN or either of the Sorrow games.
>>324191538
>Every third indie game today seems to call itself a Metroidvania.
Which is retarded.
I don't mind calling the post SOTN Casltevanias Metroidvanias, since it does describe them to an extent.
But they are called that because that are Castlevania games.
If another game does it, and isn't Castlevania, then it's just a Metroid clone, not a Metroidvania.
>>324191882
Have you never actually played Prime?
It pretty much just progresses like Super, but with 3d navigation for fights. And even then it's not like a normal FPS, because it's all auto targeting and mostly about dodging and timing shots, not aiming. Not very generic at all.
>>324196241
people saying portrait of ruin is good is like people saying bloodlines was better than CV4
the currents rise and fall but the original superior game returns to the top
portrait did one thing right, and that was an amazing final boss, the areas were boring as fuck, and the gameplay was CHARLOTTEJONATHONCHARLOTTEJONATHON
>>324196342
Fucking this, famicoms.
>>324195973
>I'm too incompetent to take notes
Hey man don't be so hard on yourself.
I played symphony of the night as my first metroidvania and everything else seems boring compared to it
zero mission isn't that bad though
I have played pretty much 75% of the games on this thread, but not this one
what's the definitive version of Symphony of the Night?
>>324196342
Can you blame them? The Metroidvania genre is almost an automatic 10/10 in the eyes of critics.
No wonder both Metroid and Castlevania ripped it off from the true original, Maze of Galious.
>>324193871
Can someone explain this meme to me?
Like
>Haha! I responded to you! Gotcha!
I don't get it.
>>324196615
PSX of course. Saturn has more content but slowdown up the ass, and most of the new content is garbage.
>>324196663
He's stalling you so the rest of us don't have to put up with your idiocy.
>IGA wants to rename it to IGAvania
fuck him
>>324196741
You mentally retarded? PSP version (Dracula X Chronicles) kicks the fuck outta psx version, you can play as maria as well as listening to Nocture on English, it's basically an improved psx version of SoTN
>>324196493
Nah. I've liked PoR better than SotN and the Sorrow games since it came out. I really don't see that changing anytime soon, either. Saying Bloodlines is better than IV is laughable, though, and I don't know anyone who says that.
IV is objectively the best Castlevania.
Also, if you didn't enjoy CHARLOTTEJONATHANCHARLOTTEJONATHAN, there's something wrong with you. I spent like 10 minutes straight spamming the button to switch characters when I first got the game.
>>324196615
Original Playstation version, The XBLA version is the same, but the post boss fight slowdown is fixed, and playing with the 360 controller isn't very fun.
>>324192426
>BLOODVANIA
He's already said he wants the genre to be called IGAvania. He didn't even know they were called Metroidvanias until recently.
>>324197060
One does not play an artistic masterpiece like SotN on a screen so tiny that barely Gradius functioned. And the new dub detracts from the experience.
>>324194845
Shantae games are babby's first metroidvanias.
They're too easy, too small, too short.
>>324197410
>SotN
>artistic masterpiece
>>324197626
>Having no aesthetic sense
Go play >>324194412 while Ayami Kojima cries over pearls before swine.
>>324197410
I hope you know PPSSPP exists, if not, you're mentally retarded.
What are the worst castlevania games?
If you were to not play 3 castlevania games (not counting the lords of shadows trio)
I wish people stopped calling every sidescroller ''metroidvania''.
It's like calling every fps ''halo''.
>>324189456
if you can't get over that metroid is a girl, just pretend it's a robot. that's what i did.
>>324198043
SotN, Dracula X, and Castlevania II. In that order.
>>324198227
wait, wasn't she a robot?
>>324198043
Super Castlevania IV
Legacy of Darkness
Castlevania 64
>>324199180
Where did this "SCV4 sucks" meme come from? I understand and agree that it's a tad overrated, but it doesn't suck at all.
>>324199461
It doesn't suck, it's too easy
>>324196241
I thought Portrait of ruin was the weakedt in the series.
Gonna call shit taste here.
>>324199670
Portrait's probably the weakest of the DS entries, but none of the metroid styled CV's are anywhere near as bad as Harmony of Dissonance.
>>324194845
Shantae sucks
have a (you)
>>324199670
>>324199771
no way, dawn of sorrow suffers from poor map design and the touch screen gimmicks are stupid. portrait of ruin, has sub areas that are mostly linear but not to the same extent of ecclesia which many places are literal straight lines. tying attacking to mp is dumb. great boss fights but not as good as the game before it otherwise.
official art, not sure who drew it. better than ecclesia's moody and sophomoric style which is frankly shitty looking
>>324194412
>Hurgh
What do you mean by this?
>>324199771
>>324199670
PoR is easily the best of the three. I can't understand why OoE gets as much praise as it does, it was severely underwhelming and the glyph system was not done well at all.
>>324189045
>>324197060
Shitty new dub makes Alucaed and Maria into teenagers. No.
>>324200460
Fuck off man, OoE's return to the portrait style castlevania art of old was glorious. The anime shit the first 2 DS titles did was hideous, especially what they did to Soma. Death and Drac looked like Scooby Doo villains in PoR.
>>324201581
Drac doesn't look so great in OoE either.
>>324201240
Maria technically is a teenager in it. Alucard's new voice did suck though, he was the only good one in the original voice cast.
>>324201581
god death looked like such ass in that game. dracula looked alright imo, I like the black slick haired Bela Lugosi look, but it did kind of look goofy in that art style.
>>324201581
doesn't resemble kojima's art that much. agree that the in game art is childish looking but it's an improvement over dawn of sorrow
would have liked if the style used in that soundtrack poster >>324200460
had been used in game
>>324194845
Stop this bullshit.
Not all sidescrollers are fucking castlevania and metroid clones.
memes aside, how is it?
>Been feeling pretty lethargic, want to play vidya but don't feel like playing anything on my Wii-U or PC
>Decide I'll play an emulated game
>See this thread
I guess I'll finally get around to playing the GBA Castlevanias. Which should I start with? CotM, HoD, or AoS?
>>324204273
I found it pretty fun with interesting challenges, also as far as I noticed the memes are mostly only in the hub city and not on the areas you go to
>>324204531
Aria of Sorrow all the way.
>>324204531
Aria of Sorrow is good. Try out the DS ones too.
>>324188826
> castlevania without Kojima
Into the trash it goes
>>324204273
Completely disregarding the memes, it's pretty mediocre. Combat is very easy and the metroidvania elements are so bare that the game might as well be linear.
>>324189596
Castlevania IV, Rondo, Symphony, Portrait and Lament of Innocence.
>>324204825
>>324204915
I've played all of the DS ones(DoS > OoE > PoR), and I've heard great things about AoS, are the other two good games as well or are they mediocre?
>there hasn't been a good metroidvania since Shadow Complex
What happened to the genre
Anyone else played Hydra Castle Labyrinth?
>>324205342
Harmony of Dissonance is pretty damn mediocre but a lot of people call Circle of the Moon their favorite in the series
>>324195973
>listing Metroid titles as Metroidvanias
I want this meme to die
>>324205491
Everyone is just focusing in what gives more profits. The only metroidvanias I've seen lately are from indies
>>324202581
Shantae is though.
Its not just a sidescroller, its a map based backtrack adventure while gaining powers and fighting bosses to get further along said map.
Definition of metroidvania bro.
For anyone who saw Valdis Story on Steam and been thinking about getting it, don't. It is less about exploring and being a metroidvania than it is about back tracking ~10 rooms as soon you got the item at the end of the zone.
The game is ok, you can make character builds for four different characters that play differently so you can have the guy clearly made for melee to be a decent magic user and such. It just suck ass at trying to be a metroidvania. Hell you may as well buy Shovel Knight as well as it is pretty damn close, only diff is that Shovel Knight doesn't require you to back track as much while somehow have more hidden stuff in comparison.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/319480/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1
How is this as a metroidvania?
>>324206147
its more Classicvania and dark souls then metroidvania
>>324206147
Looks dope as fuck. I've been meaning to pick that up.
>>324205342
I like all of them but Harmony of Dissonancewas my first Castlevania. It's seen as a weaker title.
>>324206089
>The game is ok
R I E Z E S E A T L A N
>>324206147
I looks it uses more the classic formula. I can dig it
>>324206617
Because its both ear and eye rape at the same time
>>324206641
O yea, he was a backer on both Valdis Story and Shovel Knight. Funny. What other games did he back enough to get his character shoved into it?
>>324206903
Runbow and a few others
>>324191882
Fucking shitty anime poster doesnt know how to hold a controller let alone breath
Best metroidvania
>>324191882
>Prime is generic FPS meme
kill yourself
>>324205567
oh shit i forgot about that game. yea i played it, i think. my memory isnt so good anymore
>>324207354
Heard about this game. Also a lite pet sim as well right?
>>324207649
Yup.
By the creators of the best puzzle platformer ever
Aquaria is pretty good.
>>324207354
This actually looks pretty fun, I might pick it up. Is it actually a Metroidvania; exploration, backtracking, power ups, etc?
>>324191919
RPGs tickle my dopamine pathways like no other though.
>>324208075
Yup.
Blaster powers like metroid/mega man, high jumping, combo beat em up combat by smacking enemies with your purse, and more.
its got great music too
>>324206997
That image is for what game? Also has he now become infamous enough for people to try to avoid him since he does not care about the theme of the game?
>>324208286
its a joke image from /adgd/
But people are actually serious about excluding him in some of their campaigns.
Check out his Deviantart, guy is a nightmare to work with, he's rich AND autistic when it comes to how his character is portrayed, and won't take no for an answer.
Browsing the metroidvania tag and I found this
http://store.steampowered.com/app/332610/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_2
Anyone play this? Looks cute
>>324208874
>knytt stories
I liked when it was a thing, but when I came back to the community a few weeks ago, I hated how most things were story-focused
>>324208874
>Monster Tale in meh
Sir I object.
>>324196486
>progresses like Super
No, it progresses like Return of Samus, or Fusion.
>>324208874
>listing metroid titles as a metroidvania
Stop this. They play like Metroid or metroidlike not Metroidvania
>>324195204
(You) want it, (You) got it.
I've never understood why people like Metroid Fusion so much, it's my least favorite Metroid game that I've played. To me it felt way too cramped and linear, offering very little opportunity for exploration like in the other games
>>324208874
>Dawn of sorrow
>God tier
Holy fuck no, Good tier at highest.
DoS was a boring slog, bosses were forgettable as hell, the gergoth was a bad fight and we didnt need to fight it 3 times. Dopple guy and ignis guy died with no story at all. and the villains sucked ass.
Horrible sequel to an absolute masterpiece
>post yfw you will never get to play Castlevania 1999
>>324194950
So, how do we tell The Father that we kinda killed mom off? Is he gonna be pissed or what?
So what Metroidvanias are you all looking forward to this year?
Can't wait for Ghost Song myself. Chasm looks pretty good too.
>>324195973
Hating on La-Mulana is for little dum-dums, anon.
>>324209507
>>324209607
I was interested in Chasm two years ago but now I don't care
>>324208874
>An Untitled Story
>BMD/CatSD
>No CRAZ'DSeeing those made me think of Raocow. CRAZ'D is a special kind of acid trip, but it's honestly a pretty good Metroidvania.
![hollow_knight_promo_image__3_by_teamcherry-d8a1cln[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/5COpedv.png "hollow_knight_promo_image__3_by_teamcherry-d8a1cln[1].png")
>>324209607
Ghost Song and Hollow Knight for me.
within a deep forest is pretty good if i recall, by the same guy who made knytt stories
>>324208874
fixed your shit list senpai
anyone played mystik belle? art style looks cute
>>324210246
>2D Semi-Nonlinear Action/Adventure Platformer
>2D
You wanna add Dark Souls too?
>>324208874
I agree with these so saved
>>324210246
CAVE STORY IS NOT A FUCKING METROIDVANIA, MAN. It has elements, but it's a platformer.
>>324210418
looks alright and has a charming artstyle yeah, haven't played it yet though
>>324210428
what in there isnt 2D?
>>324209607
I can't wait
>>324210553
Soul Reaver
>>324210656
Its 2D camera. 2.5 D counts. Same as Lords of Shadow MoF
>>324209371
If you can name a single boss in AoS except Julius who even comes close to Gergoth, Paranoia, the Fire Devil and fucking Somacula then by all means...
>>324210708
Been a while since you played Soul Reaver, huh?
>>324210504
>Backtracking
>Powerups needed to progress
>revisiting areas
>Grinding (gun) levels
>Segmented arena based bosses
Metroidvania senpai
Anyone got that comic with the messed up bellybuttons where dracula swallows simon?
>>324206513
>>324206535
>>324206720
Well it was on sale on humble so I tok the plunge. I'll get back to you all on how it is
>>324210837
Linear level progression. Get shrek'd
Will it be good, /v/?
>>324210856
We're proud you're serving your country, son
>>324210762
>Somacula
Doesnt count. thats a julius mode boss.
And really?
>Leigon
>Grahm
>Chaos
couldn't get into valdis story
had some annoying mechanics, like this ability that rockets you to the ground when used, except its bound to the down key so you hit it accidentally all the time and it fucks up your platforming. maybe that was just me though
>>324211007
These are absolute shit, especially legion and his elusive soul bullshit.
>>324210989
How can it be bad?
>>324210989
I really fucking hope so.
>>324189596
Aria of Sorrow is the best one
Fight me irl
>>324195973
Downright shit opinion. La mulana bad and cave story 'dope'? I enjoyed cave story, but it is light years inferior to the former. Its also short as fuck while la mulana is easily the most content-packed metroidvania there is.
>>324208874
>HoD not in meh tier
u wot m8
>>324210989
No fucking doubt. It'll be a bit easier, but not by a large margin. Also, more plot. Also, it would be hard for them to create bosses as cool as in the first one, but I think they'll manage. Dem nigoros are good game designers.
>>324204273
One of the best platforming games out there. If you haven't already, play it.
>>324211403
There's no way they'll top La-Mulana's bosses. Honestly half the fun was not knowing just how fucking crazy they were going to get.
>>324210708
Are you ok?
>>324211152
>>324211403
The dev's may be talentless hacks, they may only be in it for money, Unity may make it buggy as fuck, they may be too lenient or run out of budget, they may not pay enough attention certain puzzles. La-mulana is the kind of game that's REALLY FUCKING HARD to make and make WELL. They can easily fuck it up.
La-mulana 2 is so very, very, very, very easy to fuck up. Not to mention it's even more ambitious since the developers are aiming to reach the next evolutionary step of 2D vidya.
The chances of La-mulana 2 being good are actually extremely slim.
>>324204273
couldn't play more than a few hours because the fighting system is a fucking chore.
>>324211356
That's just because it takes 10 hours to solve all the puzzles in an area. La Mulana has lots of minibosses but few bosses, ideally there would be one in the front and in the back and also the infinity corridor (which arguably has one despite what the game says)
>>324210837
this
>>324210967
backtracking doesn't mean shit when the game progresses through levels in a linear way.
>>324211512
It'd better be fucking good.
>>324191882
Posting a smug anime face while being full of shit is grounds for a weabo lynching.
>>324208874
>list doesn't have Unepic, Teslagrad, Secrets of Raetikon, or motherfucking APOTHEON
Shit list desu
>>324211512
Did you even play the demo?
>That one place with nothing but pressure-sensitive tiles, all raised to hide their presence
>>324211598
Honestly, for a game as ambitious and the required skill to develop La-mulana 2, they have way too fucking small of a budget.
i followed this cavestory clone project called the underside for several years, until it became obvious the dev abandoned the project
>>324211639
Anon, there's a lot of fucking games it doesn't have.
>>324208527
I have that game, it's more like a point and click than a metroidvania. Good though.
>>324211639
>Unepic
Rougelike trash
>Teslagrad
Okay, but meh tier
>Secrets
Hell no
>Apotheon
Also meh
>>324211672
The demo was on an outdated engine and only showcased one of 20+ levels, all of which, if the game is anything like the original la-mulana, will have hints and puzzles that span across eachother.
>>324191852
I loved Guacamelee. It doesn't really need to have complex combat, complex combat would bog the game down even more. It just has a way for you to string different moves one after another which is fun, and gives you different combat options.
The platforming is great, but Guacamelee is light on exploration. If you play it long enough you will easily see once you get to the end of an area it will have a place that will quickly loop you at the start of the area so there is little back tracking. It is just easy to see where to go to progress and takes little time to get there.
I think it is the best in the genre due to having more fun combat than Metriod or the Castlevania counter parts along with much superior platforming.
>>324211512
Shit, man, don't lose hope. Those guys made a game to glorify their MSX favorites. And La-Mulana didn't sell that much. They do not do this for money. It's gonna be at least good.
>>324211674
The did the first and the remake for free.
Honestly, the reason for La Mulana's success is that it has no budget, so all the features and puzzles have to be as basic as possible. This gives you a fair chance at actually solving them.
>>324194412
ESA is god
best metroidvania in years
>>324211481
I meant more like managing to stay on the same level. But, yeah. Creamed myself basically with every boss. Viy and Tiamat reveals were fucking insane.
>>324211805
Like I said, the way La-mulana is structured it can very easily be unplayable and broken. If they make the game really simple, then it won't live up to the legacy of the original, but it will still be good. If it's really complex, then if they mess up, the game will be objectively bad.
>>324211817
Just because they gave out the original for free didn't mean that it was free to make. They had to put forth the effort and work, that alone isn't free as it requires money to support their living finances.
And despite this, the original La-mulana has broken puzzles and is so outdated/clunky that it's virtually unplayable since the remake is out. The remake being so masterful that it fixes virtually every single problem of the original.
La-mulana 2 only has one chance, unless they decide to make an expansion pack that fixes everything.
>>324196663
He's responding to your post as if it was bait. The point of bait is to get responses. Welcome to 4chan.
>>324211729
>>Unepic
>Rougelike
are you making a joke or are you retarded? This is important.
>>324212082
You greatly overestimate the impact money and time has on a game. Only one thing is necessary, and that is passion.
True, burning hot passion makes it work no matter what, it's what made SotN and Super Metroid good. Gunpei famously complained to the SM staff that they were putting too much effort into it, shouting "are you trying to make a goddamn masterpiece!?"
>>324212385
An artist has never made three masterpieces. La-mulana's original was a rough draft, and La-mulana remake was nigoro's masterpiece and magnum opus. After such a fantastic, god-tier game got such mediocre sales, it's hard to have passion.
>>324210989
1st ones not bad and I completed that one aside from a few optional Achievements I missed.
But nevertheless its a solid game and I am sure the devs doing the second one got it in the bag.
