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>>324129385
>Stay vidya
>Have fun
>You must not bump requests
>Go away if you want to shitpost
>Add references and names to requests
>Leave shitposts and bait alone, just report and ignore
Post your art to the booru for anons to find later in case they miss a delivery or if it is NSFW:
http://vidyart.booru.org/
Also, to those uploading, if you know who the subjects of the picture are, please tag them!
NSFW Deliveries should also be posted in
>>>/i/463150
Want to learn how to draw or improve your drawing skills? Visit the /ic/ sticky:
>>>/ic/1579290
Drawing Books:
https://mega.co.nz/#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA
>>324152218
Delivering
Shygal a cute!
Yandere Saori or something like over-clothes touching herself as if she's looking at her crush or anything like that
Undyne with hair down, get.
Still got half a stick left here.
Requesting this ORAS trainer getting raped, preferably taking it in the ass. Bonus for her wearing torn clothes and being pinned to the ground.
Requesting a fusion of Heatman from Megaman BattleNetwork and Heatwave from DC comics please
![latest[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/iPKfiip.png "latest[2].png")
Requesting Kirby using the sword power-up to cut an apple in half.
I'd only want someone good and experienced to take on the request - none of this symbol drawing thing I read, I don't like how that sounds at all.
So if you're a beginner please don't waste my request slot.
I would like to request male and female Hom grown up into young adults, or say roughly around 9 years.
>>324152475
Requesting this but with a female vidya character.
>>324152724
Here buddy >>324152564
No need to thank me.
>>324152724
Already delivered.
>>324152564
Fuck off.
Requesting Ganondorf and Zangief in a paralyzed state of complete and total despair because their favorite WWE tag team lost a title match.
Moru being naughty, involving her tail, or post-hunt headpat for a job well done and liking it but covered in monster blood!
Even wearing Ms. Fortune's clothing from Skullgirls!
Requesting Kula in a chinese-ish outfit with covered hairbuns.
I just think it might look cute.
OR of the Treasure Knight/Bloodborne/Dark Souls request, I wanted to say thank you to all the submissions and I look forward to the finished works of 2 of them. I wasnt sure if the artists would see my previous post from the shitstorm last thread so again thank you!
Its kind of funny how solid drawfag is inadvertently at the center of all this shitposting lately. At first he was shitposting himself. Then he stopped but that pencilfag got triggered by his posts. Now /ic/ and art school fags are arguing over artistic merit and symbol drawing after someone made a comment about SD's art.
Hes a huge metal gear fag, so hes like big boss in the solid phase of the series. His legacy inadvertently causes everyone else to fuck up.
These last two threads are metal gear solid:drawthread edition.
Requesting pic related redrawn with Buddy, from Lisa (Joyful)
Requesting an outfit swap between Elizabeth Comstock and Plain Doll please
Threadly reminder that if your delivery is made on digital, it's instantly trash material and not worth even looking at.
Remember to ask for a traditional delivery in the requests, you wouldn't want art to be just a bunch of pixels or bytes.
>>324153018
And thank you for making this the third one, you cunt.
Sumika has attacks based after the 'Kurohige Kiki Ippatsu' game. I would like to request Suguri's head sticking out of Sumika's 'Happy Barrel' looking nervous while Sumika is thinking about where next to place one of her 'Pretty Swords'.
>>324152475
Requesting Junpei and Reyn arguing who's da real man or being buddies.
>>324153018
>>324153195
Report and Ignore, let's try to prevent fucking fires this time.
>>324153018
>People still doing pencilfag shitposting
Holy fucking shit solid drawfag is seriously fucking big boss right now. Look what hes done. This is all related to him.
>>324153018
Let it fucking die
Requesting Zero with twintails.
>>324153018
Don't bring this shit over-
...You got a point there.
"I won't scatter your Symbols to the heartless net. I will always be with you, paste your deliveries in me. I won't see you end as erasings. You're all diamonds...We are Diamond Draws.
>>324152564
Heh.
Requesting a Falcommunist.
Just her as a communist, like as a costume.
>>324153203
Youre welcome. What kind of shitstorm will we enjoy now family?
How many fucking times have had this exact same argument already? 42?
>>324153389
request it and people might do it
>>324153389
You're a broken record.
Requesting Ryu, Jin, Terry and Liu Kang fighting in the Strongest under the heavens Tornament.
>>324153527
Yup, 42
Requesting Airy on a leash
>>324152475
Requesting the Boy and His blob meeting this stag king. Maybe doing something cute or frightening.
Requesting Manto using her long hair to wrap someone up with it to prevent them from playing for the other team, or just using it to help her play soccer better.
>>324153018
So?
Solid Drawfag-Big Boss
Pencilfag-Zero
/ic/ and art school fags-Liquid Snake
All the posters trying to stop/avoid the shitposting-Solid Snake
>>324153724
Best Korn song
Requesting Captian Falcon, Skullomania, Naga Rider, Wonder Blue and Unlosing Ranger doing the Ginyu force pose together.
>Inspiring roses surrounding them are not needed but would be a nice touch.
Requesting a smut or non-smut followup of this, with Elphelt but more mindbroken and petplay-ish. Can be used as a mating hole for something too for max shaming; optional made to lap up cum from a dog dish On the flipside, in a normal non-complicated over-designed wedding dress, but with a white choker
How about just a loli Elphelt?
Requesting Ristar making a tiny snowman.
>>324153827
I thought Solid and Pencilfag were the same person
>>324153827
>All the posters trying to stop/avoid the shitposting-Solid Snake
Solid Snake actually accomplished something every once in a while, though.
Haven't done this in ages, but here we go. I want as many people as possible to draw this little guy. Draw him anyway you want. Just make sure to have fun with it!
Requesting Kajun Faycott and Mai Natsume from Blazblue studying together, similarly to the other academy girls in the upper right illustration. (Kajun, with the butterfly hair ornament, is the smarter of the two but Mai, with the yellow hair bow, is also a serious student.)
>>324154006
That's a little better, at least it isn't the same thing for another 3 months.
Requesting this scene with Barret and Voldo.
>>324154097
So who got killed? Who's The Boss in all this?
>>324154087
Yeah but it makes sense here. Solid Snake was the only one fighting every side. Just like the normal posters here fighting every shitposter. And pencilfag left eventually didnt he?
>>324154282
The artists leaving the threads.
>>324154097
So he is the hero we truly need?
>>324154282
Can I be Sigint?
Requesting Taino from Xenoverse turning her arms and ponytail into tentacles and fucking herself with them.
Requesting Kanadeko from the PS4 game Omega Quintet wearing more armor based on her equipment (green ones) or performing a Shoryuken please! Or wearing >>323839392 from MSF!
![f5753870a40ccef114a6cb88e7f48531[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/K7js6XZ.jpg "f5753870a40ccef114a6cb88e7f48531[1].jpg")
>>324154436
>tentacle degenerates
I wanted to get a drawing or two of an idea I read about Blanc trying to write an R-18 novel and getting inspiration by first-hand experience.
If anyone can attempt this I'd be eternally grateful.
Tags: maledom, exhibitionist, pet-play, bondage, rape
As a succubus or a monstergirl like the right two or top right, her familiar. Alternatively just in an outfit that is as revealing or not, midriff has to be exposed regardless or in a sling bikini in a pose like bottom pic.
Or just draw a more toned Epona with nice abs.
WHY WON'T ANYONE DRAW HER
Please draw your favorite videogame character petting a cat
Thank you
Guy who request Miriam with the Claiomh Solais. Just to update you I'm still here, just trying out some sword designs. Looking for something that will look holy and detailed, but still a weapon, not a toy.
>>324155308
GREMLIN POSTER SCRAM
any Overwatch requests or Blizzard™ games in general?
>>324155308
Because everyones busy shitposting senpai. Look around.
Lest, excited he found a super rare Invisible Stone, and one of the bachelorette from Rune Factory 4 confused and thinking he's gone crazy
>>324155458
Up for Mercy?
Requesting Overwatch's D. Va licking the underside of a large dick, spreading herself for the viewer, or having fun with some robotic-styled tentacles.
>>324155458
a goblin and a gnome girl both trapped in a machine that makes them kiss. or other stuff
>>324154680
Don't bully requestfriends!
requesting Tekken giving a footjob
>>324155779
Requesting her mecha having two dildo-plugs which she inerts and masturbates with when she pilots that robot
>>324155797
>makes them kiss
>>324155941
That's been done several times.
>>324155426
Hot damn, that looks pretty damn good so far Sca.
Though, as a suggestion for the Solais itself, you could add some magi crystal-esque engravings to give the blade some texture.
>>324155308
What the fuck is that?
>>324156010
Show me
H-has the shitposting died down yet?
Requesting a pic from the guy's PoV of Yozakura on his lap, grinding her butt (in jeans) against his strained cock, looking back at him with a bit of a happy/confident grin on her face.
>>324155458
Requesting Uther and a Crusader from Diablo 3 arguing about who loves God more
>>324155308
gay af
>Old shitpost fest dies down
>"Finally"
>Nearly 100 posts into the new thread, people are still talking about it
Goddammit you bastards.
>>324155348
But.
who is Skullface?
I would like to request someone draw a 'Happy End' for Elise, like Gunvolt guided her out of the laboratory without regaining her memories and she's just like a big sis at home or something.
Elise is the one character in Gunvolt I feel really bad for, since it sounds like Sumeragi captured her against her will and THEY fucked up her mind so much that it created the other persona, and it wasn't there to start with...but then again, I'm not sure how much of it was she was lying to me, since it shows her a normal Sumeragi outfit. Perhaps my pity for her is misplaced...
Requesting Refia in a lewd situation while dressed as a devout.
i.e:
Having sex from behind, giving a footjob, giving a blowjob, aftersex,tentacles, etc.
>>324156027
I'm sure I'll be fine concerning the details, thanks.
I am the artist and I will decide on those things.
Requesting R.Mika accidentally sitting on a freshly painted bench
>>324156768
Oh, okay. My mistake.
>>324156437
The people screaming for the mods to nuke the thread? Like with skull faces' PARASITES SON plan? And like skull face, theyre drowned away in the noise.
>>324156863
I want to do this so much but I'm in the middle of a request. I can't give in. Maybe I'll have a go at it next week or something, no promises.
>>324156726
Can i get sauce on the bottom left picture?
I was unaware that Refia even got fanart.
>>324156928
symbol garbage, digi-trash
>>324157187
Well, a week isn't the longest I've held out for a request, I'll be around for whenever if you do pick it up.
>>324156261
not yet
Draw a Yo-Kai shitposting
>>324157323
There's not much out there, sadly.
http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=428018
>>324156928
A shame the punctuation is a little subpar, the comic itself is one of the best deliveries in recent memory
Lewd Honoka please
Tasteful, full-on, or implied.
Something like showering or naked on a bed with rose petals, fucked standing up or held up doing double peace sign, or something in like point of view of guy but you see no genitals shit like that.
>>324157435
something like this?
>>324157649
Sure
>>>/i/464561Let's try this again. Posted in the wrong thread.
Here's an Ingrid delivery for anon. Color coming maybe, but I'm not sure it necessarily needs it. What do you guys think?
>>324157335
>>>/trash/
Requesting a Mimic from Dark Souls (left) holding down and fucking the hell out of a Mimicutie from Kid Icarus:Uprising (middle) while a Mimic from Golden Sun (right) records everything on camera.
>>324157435
>typical /v/ user browsing /v/ as usual
>a "shitpost youkai" comes up behind him and possesses him
>the /v/ user spews garbage endlessly, starting flamebait and falseflag threads, sparking console wars that last for months
>>324157572
I don't think the artist is a native english speaker so that might be it. I agree, however it fit more of the original original one for just forbidden love and not specific
>>324157384
But everyones just requesting now. It over anon. I dont see shitposting.
>>324157763
>ingrid
Nice
Better than other SF sluts
>>324157918
So when does the possession take effect?
>>324156027
I was thinking of making the sword of stained glass, but that wasn't looking good. I will something with engravings, like Ludwig's.
And >>324156768 isn't me. I wouldn't ask for your opinion if I didn't want it.
The Rune Factory girls (marriageable ones that is) as MILFs.
Also Carmen (green hair, tanned skin) with longer hair or like a ponytail
>>324158146
Kek
>>324157435
Seconding but he has to be fat.
>>324158176
An ultra gearsword whose blade is made entirely of glass looks way too frail, even if that glass design you got going is great
(not OR, just random guy's opinion)
>>324158176
Looks neat so far
>>324157763
not OR. Great ass, but the blush on the face looks a little weird to me.
Handprint could be made to look like a blush instead of drawn on too.
I'm no artist though.
>>324158176
My apologies again for biting that hook.
>I will something with engravings, like Ludwig's
Now that sounds good, since I believe you draw metallic textures quite well after seeing your Dullahan pictures.
>>324155691
do it, anon.
>>324158578
I'd be okay with anything of her
anyone else feel lonely when drawing?
>>324158697
No. I feel hungry tho.
>>324154050
Why would he be? Solid wanted attention in the form of praise and would shy away when faced with negative comments. Pencilfag shat on him endlessly.
Mercedes from Odin Sphere and Mercedes from Dragons Dogma lesbian sex
>>324156928
Careful, cum-on-face is nws
>>324155458
Requesting Zarya in an evening gown.
>>324158790
I think I just didn't read enough.
I thought shitposter-kun was referred to as shitposter-kun and not Pencilfag.
Lianshi as a witch
Or from before, donning a sexy armour bikini
Or sexy qipao with exposed midriff and a filled boob window
>>324158683
I come here to ask for ideas, anon. I can't accept a "draw this thing doing whatever" request.
Requesting either thigh or buttjob with Sham, could she also be wearing anykind of thighhighs or garters too.
>>324159378Sexual healinghaving sex
>>324158697I feel a sense of longing when my ideas are accepted. Not sure that's the same thing.
>>324159378
draw her sucking a dick
>>324158697
no more than usual.
drawing is great, but after, then you get down.
>>324159759
>I feel a sense of longing when my ideas are accepted.
what a fucking girl
Requesting a fusion of MegaMan (any incarnation) and Megatron please
Murakumo dressed like Koto's Jason please
>>324159434
Is she from katawa shoujo or something?
>>324158463
>>324158453
>>324158451
What about now? The stained glass into the structure of the sword. I took for guard shape reference the CS from Dawn of Sorrow.
I am wondering if the sword is too small.
>>324160245
At least you didnt draw it in pencil.
>>324160245
Are you just doing concept art sketching right now? The sword is in a very awkward position, but maybe you'll just deform it later with the tool.
>>324160245
I was about to suggest something proportioned similar to pic-related, but that looks fucking good.
>I am wondering if the sword is too small.
Really the only suggestion I can make it to make it slightly longer or alter the position, but otherwise it looks great.
Requesting self-cest and with others; ass-to-ass or double-buttjob if not just the two. Or on the same dude one on the dick and the other grinding her pussy in his face.
>>324159951
Whatever.
>>324152564
kek
>>324160496
Although that position is correct for the blade to be on that stance, I do agree it looks boring as fuck. So yes, I'll deform and adjust to put it in angle.
>>324160589
Made it a bit longer, then.
Requesting Alte, anything with a feet focus is fine.
Holy shit, what happened in that last thread guys? Did anything get done?
>>324160073
She is from Sora
>>324161112
Metal Gear happened.
KUM HERE!
>>324155308u n f
>>324159268
Would love to take up, but I wouldn't do your request justice. Hope you get it delivered by someone more competent.
Requesting a game of hide and seek.
>>324158461
Good feedback, thank you.
>>324158120
I know, right?
>>324161303
Now who are you? Surely, you aren't that bad.
>>324161112
The few that did get horribly bashed by fags from /ic/ and random shitposters.
It's best to lay off the threads for today, shitposted to hell and back.
>>324161347
Id love to do it but an /ic/ fag told me I dont understand symbols and I should just fuck off from drawing forever.
>>324158697
>tfw no drawfag gf to grow together with, both artistically and spiritually
>fill the void with strangers on a japanese imageboard
H-hey guys
>>324160245
I'm the guy who didn't like the entire sword made of glass and this is essentially the same, but you can safely ignore me, I'm not even OR and I'm sure your ideas are better.
>>324161467
Good, my job is done.
>>324161626
Howdy!
>>324161380
>Now who are you
> On an anonymous Fingolian beer-drinking imageboard
I'm not terrible, but I can't promise I can draw it as sexy as you'd hope. Pic related is work from half a year ago. I don't tend to draw women but I love DW and Lian shi specifically but the threads got shit up so IDK if it's worth the time.
P.S If I do take up this request, fat chane i'm doing it pencil. I'm trying to up my digital skills.
Requesting something cute with Reiko Nagase from Ridge Racer.
Requesting a one or two-panel picture, depending on what the drawfag is willing to do. The first (or only) panel is Clover with a funnel sealed at the stem and filled with semen jammed in her mouth, which a bunch of guys are jerking off into it while she looks scared or angry. The second should be the funnel being unsealed, the semen draining into her mouth and her eyes showing how much she's struggling to swallow the impossibly huge load and not suffocate. Thanks in advance.
>>324161467
just draw it you pussy
>>324161626
FAG
>>324161874
>Reiko Nagase
you have awakened a memory of my first ever waifu. r4 reiko was perfect. thank you.
>>324161040
>Although that position is correct for the blade to be on that stance,
I'd have to disagree
maybe if you caught it mid-swing and got an unfortunate shot, but as a stance that angle is really really unnatural to me
>>324157867
i see this posted in every drawthread i visit
does no one ever do your request, m8?
Requires Marie from Splatoon wearing a Jetsons inspired dress please
>>324161876
Hnng someone do this one.
>>324162256
Summarize it for me
>>324162164
>Of all the requests you pick that one
Bro, there's so many ones out there even ones that have been explicitly stated by drawfags to be straight up awful,
>>324162219
Bait aside, it's 2016 drawfags. Pencil + camera is a waste of a good effort. Do yourself the favor and upgrade to the 21st century.
>>324161626
>, both artistically and spiritually
Hi tumblr
>>324162219
Surely his 4160x2340 high-res blurry photo compensates.
>>324162064
You think so? Well, I'm changing it anyway just to be sure.
>/v/ drawthreads overrun with /ic/ memes
Fuckin' SICK
>>324154119
I haven't drawn slime in a while. I'm gonna draw him.
Requesting Callie from Splatoon in pose and facial expression like the image provided with dialogue saying, "Sorry Marie! I went back to the past, met a human, and came back with this half-breed!"
Baby bump size can vary but atleast some belly like the image provided would be good.
>>324162256
Please don't second, it always looks like someone bumping their own request.
>>324162364
Some people do it in pencil because that's last century, therefore only 90's kids will remember their art.
![chest-closed-and-open1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HNKrD7V.jpg "chest-closed-and-open1[1].jpg")
>>324162339
i dunno, it always catches my attention is why
it's also funny to think that he has a fetish for chests
pic related, spoilered for NSFW
>>324152475
Requesting Beowulf stealing a baby troll.
>>324162364
>good effort.
>good
it really wasn't
>>324162520
faggot hipsters
>We're really doing this agian.
Why?
>>324162581
It's kind of depressing, really. People desperately looking for a drawing to the point of persevering months of threads with little to no luck.
>>324162715
You missed the bad joke and reminder that pencil and paper are portable and much cheaper.
Requesting Issac Clarke blending in with a bunch of Stormtroopers.
>>324161863
That isn't even that bad anon, have some more confidence
>>324162975
poor normies shouldn't draw
>>324163016
He looks like Triple H from the future
>>324162880
Very true. I'd draw it for him, if anything to put to peace his restless soul that so desperately needs this hot chest-on-chest action, but I can't draw to save my life.
Oh well, and so the circle of life goes on.
>>324162626
>>324162364
I stand correct.
>>324162880
why are you acting like it's a herculean struggle to post a request and do something else while you wait for a (you)
>>324163181
Autism is sad, tho.
>>324163181
>implying it isn't
>implying there isn't mental stress
Requestingthe first character that pops into your mind. Now draw their butt.
>>324163456
how will you recognize butt?
>>324163093
I said i'm not terrible, but I don't feel I'd do your character justice. And this current trend of threads is shit.
Alright here's what we'll do. I'll sketch up a figure. Not anything detailed. Just a sketch. You like what you see, I continue.
You don't, we move on, your request still not fulfilled. Good?
>>324163181
I'm implying they're possibly bananas, bro.
So when are mods gonna come pick this dude up.
>>324163518
Sure
>>324163181
It is when you start counting the times you do that in the thousands.
>>324163514
I know a butt when I see one..
>>324158697
Embrace the loneliness, anon.
Become one with it, and you'll find peace.
>>324163134
So a budget should dictate somebody's passion? Guess I should give up on everything and pursue the hobby of watching paint dry.
Requesting Django riding the Race the Sun ship
Doing lewd gestures please
OR some more crazy/yandere
>>324163456
>>324161863
Want the tip that will help you the most right now? Draw bigger.
>>324163759
I don't know if 4chan supports pics over ~7000px
See ya on Monday drawthread
>>324163615
Don't know if i'll deliver in this thread or if a finished version will be delivered anytime soon, I need to leave in less than an hour. I'll post tomorrow if I don't get it in time.
>>324163759
I took up half a page. It was a really big page. I took this with a phone, everything became a blurry mess.
>>324164124
You better show up on time or I'll nail your ass to the floor, anon!
>>324163982
File size and paper size are two different things
That drawing is very clearly small, or you used a 5cm thick graphite slab to make it, one or the other
Get an A3 stack of newsprint paper or an expensive white sketchbook and take the entire page man, seriously.
>>324163742
That is a quality butt.
>>324163742
Check that ass
Request something minimalistic.
Or something you'd like to see in a minimalistic style.
Requesting Aava as a muscular tiger girl.
Well going to go draw for that waifu drawthread on /a/ since these threads are so shit.
See ya Monday.
>>324164849
Goodbye! Hope you have fun!
>>324164849
You already said you'd leave. Can't you just go?
Requesting Amitie as a race queen
>>324164849
>going to /a/
Thank you God. Less trash.
OR I'm going to have to leave now. I promise I'll finish this later.
>>324165323
It's looking really good. Take care!
>>324152564
fixed it 4u ;)
>>324152724
rude
>>324165323
Observing your progress on this piece has been fun so far Sca, and I look forward to seeing it finished.
Since we're Souls-ing Shovel Knight, I took the liberty of doing King Knight too.
>>324165535
I love you.
>>324165535
RULES OF NATURE
>>324163704
You're looking at it from the wrong angle. It's not a question of money. Anons just want to distinguish what the hell was drawn.
Scanners are cheap if you are gonna be a paper-and-pencil fag, because you can at least touch that up. The average fuckhead taking a pic with his/her phone doesn't even understand the basics of photography much less how lighting and steadiness of hand can affect how a readable a picture can be. So unless you can photograph a drawing well, don't play that class divide card.
Requesting Ramlethal from Guilty Gear standing in passive silence while her twin Lucifero (her orbs) chew on her hat
>People still don't update the booru.
>>324165635
rad
>>324164710
What kind of minimalistic? Like vector wallpapers?
Anyways, requesting Ginchiyo Tachibana summoning the power of Grayskull
Requesting Colette stuck in a hole in the wall and being fucked in one or both ends while apologizing and begging the guy to help her.
Requesting a picture of Baku with his mask from the start of FF9. Preferably in a style that could work as an avatar, but anything would be cool.
>>324165635
NICE!
>>324164710
Burning Leo from Kirby?
Requesting Frey holding hands with or or hugging volkanon and him being embarrassed
Or just anything cute/romantic with them
>>324167270
damnit, forgot my image
>>324163615
Sketchy. I can't work on this today anymore but i'll monitor the thread.
Requesting fellatio or anything else lewd with Starbreaker from Sora.
As long as it focuses on her rainbow eyes it's all good.
OR for that Hinoka on the verge of death request
If that anon who was interested in this request is here, let us know if the fire is still burning or if its out
I don't repost requests too often but I still hang around. And I bet some other anons would like to see it regardless
Requesting this with Maya Fey from Ace Attorney
>>324167556
Chest could be bigger but I'd say it's set for anything
Have fun with what you pic
Requesting something with Laserman. I was thinking something like 80s laser grid style or perhaps dressed like Daft Punk
Requesting Rosalina as a twink
>>324167893
Noted.
I hope i'll have something by tomorrow.
Requesting Princess peach dressed in a pink version of MGE's mad hatter. replace the card suits with mario shrooms.
Having tea with mario optional
Request: art of everyone's favorite Vampire Sunflower.
>>324167775
seconding this
>>324168232
>Everyone's
That's a bold statement
Requesting Kirby really suspicious about mystery-flavored candy
>>324132353
Sorry for the flat colors but I can't see this pic anymore
