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STR or DEX?
Are DEX builds even that good in DaS1?
>>324102023
yeah but they take a while to get running
>>324102023
Yes.
>>324101986
STR obviously.
Most satisfying way to play
Quality master race.
Cha, obv
I'm about to start DaS1 soon. What build should I go with?
>>324102023
They were the best builds.
Even better buffed.
>>324102023
katana spam is stupid easy and strong
>>324101986
What weapon is that?
>>324102474
executioner chariot lance
>>324102472
Or Falchion spam
Or Gold Tracer Spam
Or Flamberge running attack spam
Or Spear spam
Or Great Scythe spam
hybrid build or go home
>>324101986
strex
>>324101986
Quality. Claymore and longsword for that stunlock
>>324102197
The zweihander is so satisfying to use.
>>324102023
All builds are viable in DaS1 unlike DaS2 or Bloodborne.
>>324102197
>zweihander
>STR
I'm tired of seeing this misconception
The Zweihander is a quality weapon.
The Greatsword is the strength variant.
Quality
>>324101986
DaS1 has some pretty sick Dex builds with Chaos weapons, so there's your answer.
>>324103265
This is the wrongest post I've seen in quite a while.
>dex
>not going full Guts by maximizing strength
ISHYGDDT
>>324103265
str builds in dark souls 1 are just as bad or worse than they are in 2 and bloodborne. not that it really matters, you can make it through all of these games with just about any weapon.
>>324102023
Lightweight dex builds are more effective than heavy str builds, if you are good enough at dodging
>>324103671
Name a single stat combination that doesn't work in Dark Souls 1.
I'll wait.
>>324103785
>Str builds in Dark Souls 1
>bad
Do you mean for PVP or PVE?
Because sure, in PVP you had to use either the large club or manserpent greatsword but in terms of the single player content you could use anything in the game and I stand by that statement.
>>324101986
>not doing INT
c'mon faggle, you should know by now that magic is always the most powerful shit by far in everything
>>324104029
>not being a strong wizard
>not going for a faith build
It is literally the most fun you can have in a dark souls game
the only downside is you never really support your teammates
>>324103980
both. str builds are still perfectly viable in dark souls 1, but they are in all the other games as well.
>>324103980
Resistance ;)
>>324104882
I made a 30 resistance build that fights using dung pies and poison resin. Had about a 50% win rate against invaders and actually made blighttown a joke.
>dex
>>324105164
>30 resistance
>>324105282
>gifsforum.com
>>324102197
Of course the Nigger that likes STR posts a DaS2 Pic.
What a fucking cunt.
>>324105164
That looks hilarious only thinking about it, wish you had a Youtube channel to show me this shit ala OnlyAfro.
Both is the best.
>>324105282
It was just a joke anon. I wanted to see how useless the stat actually was. Sunk 50 hours into it though.
>>324106213
I would if i wasn't a poorfag. Maybe one day anon.
>>324103373
It started as strength in Dark Souls I. Was funny missing a running jump attack hit with it but the shock wave from hitting the ground would stun things.
>>324106938
It didn't start as strength, per se, it just had a heavy strength investment at the start
When you +15'd it, it had C/D or C/C? str/dex scaling and since the best moveset was 2handing it anyways, that's pretty much a quality weapon.
>>324102319
stam and vit are never wasted
if you find a weapon you like, meet its str/dex requirements
don't bother over doing it on guides because the game is so much better if you don't wiki warrior it your first time through
>>324109859
who the fuck actually read that shit before starting like what the fuck hahaha
A sword like that could never work.
>>324111053
Isn't that a lance?
>>324111490
No idea but if it is a sword it literally couldn't work even if he had superhuman strength.
>>324102197
>Zwei
>DaS2
DaS1 Zwei >>>>>>>>> DaS2 Zwei
>>324102023
>parry with chaos blade
>slash with chaos blade
>riposte with iaito
Welcome to Win
>>324112670
>2kat
>in DkS1
Fuck off.
>>324103265
But all stat builds are viable in DaS2 and bloodborne as well.
Certain combinations are kinda retarded, but still viable.
>>324101986
>those ridiculous elephant horn things
ruined it man
STR cus i dont like dancingfuck you
>>324103980
Literally any build is viable in all souls games. There's no situation where it is actually impossible to clear the game and beat other players with a setup. Because the prior just requires skill and boss memorization and the latter is mostly luck and having a skill differential between you and your opponent.
Dex greatsword builds always feel pretty good.
I like a using a big, chunky weapon while still being able to zoom around the place.
>>324103690
I am so tired of seeing Guts in DSII.
I was doing belltower invasions and I saw three different Guts cosplayers and they were all terrible.
>>324112887
>All stat builds are viable in DaS2
Post patch faith builds say hello
>And bloodborne as well
Skill and Arcane builds before Old Hunters say hello.
>>324103373
what the fuck is a quality weapon?
what the fuck is a quality weapon.
>>324112806
HAHAHAHA 2 cat!
>>324113184
Quality refers to weapons that scale equally well with strength and dexterity and come from the Quality upgrade path from Demon's Souls.
>>324113184
a quality build means you got STR and DEX relatively equally instead of focusing on one or the otheryou're welcome, newfag
>>324113184
>didn't start with DeS
End yourself.
>>324101986
Always dex, that's my playstyle.
The movement and battles are so satisfying that way.
Is this a good build for DEX? Is there anything i should focus on or put more points into? First time playing SotFS
>decide to run BB as STR after doing mostly DEX in previous games
>still using the Hunter's Axe after several hours, didn't like the Kirkhammer moveset much
When do the good STR weapons start showing up?
>>324104305
>weeaboo
Looks like a typical brazilian/jap halfie.
The best weapons usually end up being quality after Demon Souls. Dex get katanas but those are kind of scummy.
>>324113136
>relying on lighting spears for pvp
It served me well enough and the iron king helm was amazing with all the great heals and sunlight blades you got. Holy thunder destroys a lot of bosses and can be good for pvp against certain players and the sun spear is fun for Doors of Pharros.
I should try magic or dark for comparison but I don't want to be like the crystal katana edgelords. Longsword the best, Heidi knight sword is okay but the moveset isn't as good in exchange for innate lightning damage.
>>324113724
Nothing scummy about katanas. It's not our fault FromSoft can't make better netcode :^)
>>324113537
First character I would just keep leveling since there is little punishment for doing so. Alts can be for special builds for heavy PVP and epic mlg montages.
You are good on Vitality for now. Top off endurance and start pumping vigor (I keep confusing which stat is vitality and vigor.)
Scaling sucks in DSII and Dex scales even slower than strength to compensate that it also increases bleed and poison scaling.
If you get hit while rolling a lot try for 100 agility otherwise think about getting a weapon buff since you have all that intelligence. Maybe add a few more slots then focus on topping off your Dex when you feel comfortable and want a tad bit more damage.
>>324113792
Speaking of netcode, I always get my ass kicked by some of the axes. For some reason those things can hit you from the other side of the universe if you roll the wrong direction.
>>324113368
first one i played was DeS actually
but it was borrowed from a friend and i was horrible at it
he came back for the game before i could even beat the first area : ( but i was hooked
later he got dark souls and then i got it myself and played the fuck out of it
>>324114914
>can't even beat phalanx
Strength. Always strength.
It feels so much better swinging around a huge fucking blade that shakes the earth and sends enemies flying, rather than some blade that sounds weak as fuck and doesn't even make enemies flinch.
Smelter hammer/Drakekeepers Ultra Greatsword is my waifu.
Same reason why I love shotguns in games so much.
>>324101986
I enjoy dex. It's fun when you're killed by bosses on one-two hits and your most important asset fast dodge.
Strength/Faith is best build. Beating shit to death with the power of the Gods backing me. Buffing myself and allies. Calling on the power of the Sun when needed.
Praising ain't easy.
>>324101986
Need a little bit of DEX for some of those good STR weapons, obv
>>324101986
Obviously neither.
RES build master-race.
Good luck doing any damage when I resist all that shit!
>Pic related.
>My character after resisting being made a poorfag by shitters, or a shitter by poorfags.
>>324101986
Neither.
I prefer games where arbitrary stat requirements don't determine my ability to wield certain weapons. I prefer games where I can use any weapon I find without needing to meet stat requirements.
>Oh, look. some masked girl just gave me two weapons! A blue dagger and a yellow sword! How nice of her! Time to kill some monsters with them! Wait, why can't I use them? Even though I can swing around a giant sword 10 times heavier than it, I suddenly become an idiot incapable of hurting others with these two smaller weapons? Why is that? Oh, let me see. Oh. Stat requirements. Which I don't meet. Okay. Because I didn't meet the stat requirements, I suddenly become incapable of using certain weapons. Thanks game!
The people who call Dark Souls DkS instead of DaS are from reddit.
>>324102023
Depends on you mean by good, all PVE builds are viable
>>324116861
>I prefer games where stats don't matter!
Then why are you posting in a thread that is asking which stat you prefer you fucking mongoloid?
Do you go on /tg/ and bitch about DnD there?
>>324104029
Magic is so clunky in souls games though. It needs some comboing and shit.
>>324116861
I bet you like RPG's where your gun skill just buffs your damage, instead of your accuracy, which is pinpoint perfect from the very start. Faggot.
>>324116861
Thats cool that you prefer different games anon. Ninja gaiden is good.
>>324116861
Ninja Gaiden is honestly some overrated shit. I mean it's fine if you're into cuhrazy action games, but did it really have to be the series whose only selling point is that one mode in that one game on Xbox that people thought was hard?
>>324103373
Jesus Christ you're and idiot.
Zweihander (Dark Souls)
STR Scaling: C | DEX Scaling: D
Greatsword (Dark Souls)
STR Scaling: C | DEX Scaling: D
Zweihander (Dark Souls 2)
STR Scaling: B | DEX Scaling: C
Greatsword (Dark Souls 2)
STR Scaling: S | DEX Scaling: D
In Dark Souls 1, the zwei and the gs are the same, the gs just has higher stat requirements but has a stab that gets boosted by the Leo Ring.
In Dark Souls 2, they are completely different swords, not comparable at all.
In none games the Zwei is a quality weapon.
>>324117581
>you're and idiot
But I fail to see how I'm incorrect when it comes to Dark Souls 1.
>not wanting to be Guts
>>324113184
It means weapons with C scaling in both Dex and Strength requiring you to split the stat in order to maximize damage with said weapons.
Generally Stright Swords, Halberds, certian greatswords and a few other types are considered quality.
Because scalling is shit in DaS II a lot of weapons that are B in strength and C in dex are considered quality.
Hexes are considered the quality build of magic in DaS II, which doesn't exist in DaS where faith and int should never mix.
>>324117768
The scaling of both swords is equal in Dark Souls 1.
It doesn't make sense to say one of them is a strength variant when they have the same strength bonus.
None of them is a quality weapon, in any game. Not even in Demon's Souls.
>>324113724
Why do people shit on Katanas when Dark Moon Falachion has been the pvp shiter weapon for years?
>>324116962
By saying this you're encouraging them to hide. Don't say shit like that just point them out as Reddit.
>>324117797
>Because scalling is shit in DaS II a lot of weapons that are B in strength and C in dex are considered quality.
You got that inverted. B in dex and C in strength could be considered quality, because dex scaling is worse. B in str and C in dex is str weapon.(just make it raw, in Dark Souls 2 anything but A and S is worthless)
>>324117872
Since the Greatsword requires more initial strength to wield, i would call it the strength variant
Especially considering the fact that you don't really need higher than 27 strength on a quality build
Also yes, I do consider them quality weapons since if you only have the base dexterity required you're missing out on quite a lot of potential damage output of the weapons.
>>324118147
That's fine if you consider it like that. But don't go out correcting others and forcing them to accept your ideas of what a quality build is or what a str weapon is.
STR weapon is a weapon that manly benefits from STR scaling. Both the zwei and the gs fit this.
Quality weapon is a weapon that benefits equally from STR and DEX. Neither the zwei or the gs fit this.
>>324117986
There given how powerful fire and dark damage is there is no reason to not convert your weapons into their scaling.
Dark Souls isn't hard and has a stupid story.
AGI
>>324118147
By your logic the FUGS is a Dex weapon because it has 30 dex requirement.
You're a retard and you're wrong. Stop posting anytime.
>>324109859
>Kill the dogs first.
Every time
Ive done literally every build I could in DaS and STR is probably the most fun.
Something about swinging large swords tickles my pickle.
>>324118307
Also it's not just me, I only started considering it that after spending loads of time on dark souls general.
>>324118381
>split damage
>in GMB and Black Witch Set meta
>>324118391
>the FUGS
The what? I didn't play DS2 and I was specifically referring to DS1.
But a strength weapon with a 30 dexterity requirement sounds fucking retarded, so I'm glad I didn't play DS2.
>>324103265
STR builds are actually more viable in DaS2 because heavy duty STR weapons tend to be the ones with hyperarmor in animations making poise actually count
>>324118569
Didn't DaS2 completely fuck poise up?
>>324101986
When you have to ask this online and have no clue, you know the game is cryptical, retarded shit.
That also has cheap trial and error, is 20 FPS and ugly as fuck. That shit like this gets 9/10s alone is reason enough to never give a shit about scores anymore.
>>324118484
It's taking an already split weapon, infusing it with the element and then apply the augmentation.
>>324102197
Yeah, totally doesn't look retarded. Especially that spike in the shoulder.
>>324118486
Fumes Ultra Greatsword.
weapon from a (excellent) dlc. now included in the softs version of the game.
>>324118662
>spike
End yourself.
>no more luck builds
>get Forlorn Greatsword
>"oh, this looks cool, I'll use this for a while"
>use most of my twinkling titanite to +5 it
>it sucks unless you're max hollow
Fuck.
>>324118682
Yeah I might pick up Scholar one day but after playing the network test for DS2 I was pretty much completely turned off and canceled my pre-order at the time.
>>324113136
Faith isn't even bad. The difference is you can't walk into the boss fight and throw 4-5 spears at the boss to kill it with like 40 more in reserve just in case you miss.
Plus it gives you the cool invader tracking spell and all the faith based hexes are crazy strong.
>>324118757
It has the most boring moveset in the game what you expected.
Anyone have the pic of the guy who gets in a fight and is like "HAHA, I'M SURE TO WIN AS I HAVE HIGHER DEXTERITY" or something and then gets his head blown off.
>>324118743
>the Blue Blood Meme
>>324118743
isn't that jyggalag's sword
>>324116861
Too much choice and consequence for you?
>>324103690
>Guts
>Not a minmaxing asshole who maxed out STR AND DEX
Who here /dual wield/
>dat DPS
>>324113136
I beat it way before Old Hunters with Skill and Stake Driver, beat defiled chalices and the queen and could hold my own at PvP.
You're just talking out of your ass, different styles for different people. There's probably someone who enjoyed themselves way more using those arcane spells just like I enjoyed myself with skill + stake and played better with it than other weapons/builds.
>>324118662
I hope you're baiting.
>>324118486
>The what?
Giant charred pizza paddle wielded by the boss with the highest winrate in the game.
It has quite a sick move where you block and counter attack immideatly, it's bretty goat and a decent successor to the Dragon Dildo Smasher from DeS, in my opinion.
>>324118618
it is weird how it works
there are tiers of stagger
light stagger
medium stagger
heavy stagger
light stagger is quaranteed to work even with high poise if you are not doing anything even when hit by small weapons
doing stuff makes your poise come into play
getting hit with a small weapon once while casting or healing will net a light stagger which will not interrupt you but the medium stagger that will come on the second hit will
heavy weapons are nigh uniterruptable in their actions bar getting hit by the heaviest weapons since they effectively ignore light and medium staggers with high poise
no you are not going to stagger the havel monster out of his greatclub overhead slam with a simple hit of a dagger unless you've hit him enough before hand
poise damage works like a BAR (etc poison and bleed) that is invisible and does not reset over time but it does reset when it reaches its threshold
high poise increases the threshold needed for staggers and works in conjunction with different acts
>>324118898
>170
>waifufag
>dex
Like clockwork.
>>324118962
Why are you jelly anon?
>>324118913
yeah it's a decent successor but you can't send people flying anymore. it's sad.
>>324118905
I'm just saying anon, Bloodborne gave you the threaded cane as your Skill starting weapon then after that you got fucking nothing unless you killed Eileen until the end of the game where you killed Gehrman
Everything else was a skill/bloodtinge or a quality weapon, including the Stake Driver (being a quality weapon)
Both, always both. Hit hard, hit swiftly. No access to any sort of magic, but with a little ingenuity and proper equipment, you can get through any situation by merit of your wits, and good old fashioned steel.
Quality builds also tend to look nicer by merit of not having to use either a spindly little katana/rapier, or a stupid anime popsicle greatsword.
>>324117789
Always.
>>324119075
>spindly little rapier
Then there's this idiot. Rapiers are as long as a two handed sword you dingus.
>>324118962
soul memory made sure that keeping your character at certain levels for tiered PvP is pointless
just level up as much as you want you will still be able to play online easily
how do I know?
>character SL 619
>still getting online play like a madman
>>324119075
straight sword, estoc and spear
feelsgood.jpg
>>324117789
>>324119093
I hope you're not buffing it with Dark Weapon.
>>324119191
The only reason I don't is because buffs looks retarded in DaS2 and fashion is everything.
>>324119152
>tfw you have too much souls
>tfw you become havel buttface
>>324119191
Why did they have to go with that color choice?
>not going STR in a DEX-focused game
>>324119257
You are the cancer :^)
>>324119318
To see how many idiots would go as far as making their weapons pink just to get a damage boost.
>>324118395
I like to run up the stairs and plunger strike the doggies. And then I just roll around capra demons attacks, hit him twice, dodge, etc. Shits gravy. But if you're too slow entering the room then you'll die regardless so its kinda cheap. I had more trouble with the gaping dragon since getting around him is tough without someone else to aggro him.
>>324119191
it's just there if i feel like doing flashy numbers
>>324119257
I am well past that point
I have encountered so many hexing havelyns I can pretty much kill them with broken straight swords by now
I just dual wield my Curved Nil Greatswords at NG+12 with alva chest-heide iron mask-Havels gauntlets and leggings plus some miracles for utility and have fun
>>324119245
To be honest I think Strong Magic Weapon/Shield are pretty effay.
>>324119149
"spin·dly
adjective
(of a thing) thin and weak or insubstantial in construction."
Rapiers are rail thin thrusting swords primarily used in dueling, and rarely outside of unarmored dueling, due to not being all that substantial in a fight against opposition with either armor, or friends. If you want you use a thrusting sword in serious combat, you'd use an Estoc, which is built differently to accommodate.Faggot.
>>324112975
Those are to catch the blade and jerk it out of their hands, but it doesnt work in a video game. That would take a lot of programming
>>324119257
>>324119460
>havels
>good
>sm
>a problem
How is it back in summer 2014?
>>324119382
>cursed weapon in Demon's Souls
>>324119382
>not wanting pink weapons
the dark is still nascent with this one
>>324119562
I am well aware of the agape ring but trust me it didn't change squat
I am getting the same amount of online play no matter what
>>324119468
Why do you go out of your way just to show that you understand nothing about a subject?
Rapiers are not weak and are better for fighting armor than most swords because it can actually get into mail gaps even if not suited for that.
>If you want you use a thrusting sword in serious combat, you'd use an Estoc
Please stop posting. The Estoc existed in a completely different time period than the Rapier.
Pic related. Where you are.
>>324119504
>>324112975
It's literally been pulled off the wheel of a chariot.
>>324119647
>but trust me it didn't change squat
>can twink
>can avoid getting sucked into the same matchmaking pool with overleveled faggots
>didn't change squat
Not getting the same amount of online play was not the reason SM sucked.
>>324119687
Not him but
Rapiers are great choices against anything but plate mail. Shit goes through chain and leather if its sturdy enough. The blades used in fencing / dueling are wire thin and not like how a rapier would actually be iirc. But I mean, every sword is shit against plate armor. Just fuckin use a mace, or armor stripping tool like a sickle
I hate thrust weapons in DS2 PvP, the hitboxes are broken on them. Roll to the side, still get hit. Roll backwards, still get hit.
I'm not talking lag either, the hitboxes are longer and wider than the actual weapons.
>>324119687
The Estoc existed in a time period where fighting against armored foes was extremely prevalent, and the rapier existed in a time far after, built especially for dueling. It was considered essentially a civilian weapon.
You'd not want to use a rapier in real combat, ever, because the Estoc existed prior and did everything a rapier would do, only better. Shit, even a Longsword of any make would fare better in a fight against armored opposition, due to its utility.
"The rapier was first developed around 1500 as the Spanish espada ropera, or "dress sword". The espada ropera was a cut-and-thrust civilian weapon for self-defense and the duel, while earlier weapons were equally at home on the battlefield."
If you took a rapier with you into battle, I guarantee you it would bend, or at worst, snap. It was not meant to ever be used in a serious battle.
I suggest you not throw insults when you're taking a stance that is as spindly as the weapon you like.Faggot.
>>324113556
DLC
>>324120420
Not him, but tell that to the portuguese colonizers that went around the world with nothing but roperas and a couple muskets and massacred everyone who fucked with em..
>>324120420
European longswords had all the same problems rapiers did against armored fighters, except for the fact that longsword blades break more. Rapiers are built to bend as to not break as often from repeated use. The real civilian weapon of choice is the farm tool, the dagger, the fucking spear. Spears and artillery were the bread and butter of combat. Swords were to showing off, and for duels. Sometimes spear fighters had to resort to their side arm, the sword, but only in dire close range situations. Face it, the sword is the pistol of Medieval weaponry.
>>324120420
All swords are civilian weapons. Battlefield weapons are spears, axes, maces and shields.
>Shit, even a Longsword of any make would fare better in a fight against armored opposition, due to its utility.
Depends. The rapier can get into mails way better then a broad blade. A "longsword" can be a lot od different swords. None of them suited for fighting heavy armored opponents. For those you have maces, polearms and daggers.
>If you took a rapier with you into battle, I guarantee you it would bend, or at worst, snap.
In this line you show you know nothing about the subject. Rapiers are made of spring steel, you can bend its blade in a 360º circle with heavy machinery and it still wouldn't snap.
You don't go into battlefield with a rapier because when rapiers were around firearms and heavy full plate armor were already a thing. Of course the estoc performed better than the rapier because in the time period it existed, heavy full armor wasn't a thing.
Just because you saved a lot of pictures of knights doesn't mean you know a lot about the subject. Stop posting and acquire knowledge instead.
Doesn't matter in DS2.
Physical scaling is a total trash, especially for large weapons.
A fucking S scaling weapon gives, what, 200 more AR from full scaling? Fucking laughable.
>>324118798
UNviel is good tbf, I always just use spice to get it down to 10 faith though, same with magic barrier. Only useful faith spells. Hexes strong though.
Prefer pyromancy and saving my points for vit/stam/dex/str
>>324101986
equal points in both master race.
Min Maxing for fagets.
>>324121025
I hope Frank-n-Furter knew that the rock meant crack when he released that
Can you use Hexes in Dark Souls 2 while having enough strength to Power Stance all fist items?
The answer of this will determine if I bother to try the game again.
>>324117357
Ninja Gaiden is legit
>>324119318
>bloodborne
>a game with the strongest hyperarmor system since des
>with heavy abyssals giving a major STR scaling boost
>dex-focused
>>324120976
Long time no see, lvl666anon.
>>324121267
Yes, just wear the gaping ring
>>324121267
There's no community-agreed level cap thanks to soul memory so just make an sl666 character and use everything.
>>324120732
I'm not arguing that the sword is a suitable primary weapon in warfare, I was merely pointing out that a rapier is a poor choice of sword to bring into a battle. Most every sword was designed to give somewhat to avoid breaking.
>>324120690
They weren't using rapiers, they were probably using backswords.
>>324120798
I agree, all swords are, at best, secondary weapons. I never said anything to the contrary, in fact.
>Rapiers are made of spring steel, you can bend its blade in a 360º circle with heavy machinery and it still wouldn't snap.
Stage weaponry and fencing foils are made of this type of steel. In the modern day.
The manner of steel used back then on swords did give leeway, yes, but not enough to bend 360 degrees.
The existence and prevalence of firearms is not in the cards for this stance you are taking, which is "Rapiers are battlefield capable weapons." The estoc most certainly was used in the time of full plate harnesses. Seriously, just look it up, you'd save yourself a lot of undue embarrassment. Have another knight picture.You stupid cunt.
>>324120976
>nothing_personal.png
>>324101986
>yfw irl STR = DEX = CON
>but weight adds to damage and poison resistance
>and coordination influences DEX checks
>>324121387
No motherfucker, portuguese were using roperas, just cause ya say they didn't without backing it up means nothing.
>>324102023
Against bosses you'll have some trouble. PVP though you'll dominate if you know what you're doing.
>>324121097
>>mfw tim curry is 69
he's fucking next isnt he?
>>324102197
>[insert giant dad meme]
Dex.
Any other answer is from a mouthbreathing subhuman who has never done a DPS before.
>>324121572
He had a stroke recently so maybe.
RIP Emperor Doviculus.
>>324121572
69, british, a musician...
I think he's safe for now though.
He has more kids movies to voice act, and more queer teens to coax out of their shells
>>324121546
I said "probably", because my knowledge of Portuguese Colonizers is limited.
>>324121058
40/40 is min maxing...
>strong characters somehow aren't fast
Dexterity as a stat needs to go from the games and be replaced with a skill.
>>324122083
Dexterity should just be changed to coordination, or something.
>>324122041
No, that's not what min/maxing means you stupid fuck.
>>324122083
That and every single STR vs DEX gif that dexfags post shows off agility more than anything else.
>Strength
Being able to hold something really heavy
>Dexterity
Being able to do shit like spin your sword around or wield it with either hand
>>324122083
>strong characters can dual fucking wield zweihanders without breaking a sweat
>when you remove all that weight from them and give them a normal longsword they do not swing it at triple the speed of a dexfag
some guy on youtube named skallagrim or something made a point about that once when it came to unrealistic vidya game swords and weapons and the super strong characters that wield them
basically take the buster sword from Cloud and give him a claymore and watch him swing it around like a kitchen knife
>>324122372
Gameplay considerations > Realism
All the movesets in dark souls telegraph attacks very clearly.
>>324101986
Why are the dead zones so fucked in this?
Don't give me a fucking cop out answer that it's incompetence, no fucking way that's the answer. It has to be fucking intentional and I want to know fucking why.
Dark Souls 3 better not have this problem I swear to fucking god.
STR>>>>DEX
everytime
>>324122681
DS3 shares the responsive controls with DS1 and BB.
I don't understand what they tried to achieve by limiting player movement so much in DS2. No free aiming either. Boring as fuck. Even with deadzone fix deadzones were still fucked hard.
>>324123067
I'm just completely flabbergasted how bad it is.
I literally can't play it. It wasn't this bad in vanilla DaS2 why the FUCK is it so bad now?
>>324123106
>>324123067
>thought the deadzones were just a glitch on DaS2 when I first played it
>mfw realizing they actually knew the deadzones were there and thought it was completely acceptable to release a game like that
>>324123067
>limiting player movement so much in DS2
But you have much more movement than you do in DS1...
>>324101986
holy kek, those impeccable Dark Souls 2 designs
>>324123067
>>324123194
I never notices the huge difference in terms of movement, can you elaborate on what "dead zones" actually are?
>tfw recently started doing a dual-smelter sword run through of DS2
these things are fucking fun and the bracing ring doubles the amount of dewrito explosions you can pull off for massive damage
currently just looking for the optional boss in winter wonderland before moving on to NG+ to get my shit slapped and gaining a reason to use a shield for once
>>324123067
I don't recall but I think normal DaS2 didn't have deadzones (on PS3 at least)
did they literally released the game and said
>hey let's put deadzones lmao
>>324123343
>>324123343
People that can't notice this shit should just fucking slit their wrists.
Makes me so mad.
>>324123265
You don't have complete control over your character like you do in DS1.
>>324123357
>frigid outskirts
>>324123067
>>324123194
>>324123390
>>324123493
The memeing begins.
Movment in DS2 is better than DS1, don't even try to say it isn't.
>>324123517
Nah, stop posting.
>>324123502
hey it ain't that bad, though maybe it will be on NG+
the only problem is those FUCKING HEDGEHOGS THAT HAVE NO FUCKING HITBOX ON THEM GODDAMN
thank fuck for firestorm, literally walk up and flame their shit up
>>324123343
do you play with analog controls or with a m+kb?
>>324123517
No, it really isn't.
That is to say, I prefer the movement in DS1 regardless of whatever stupid minute changes there are in DS2
I also prefer being able to use my greatswords without accidentally swinging them the wrong way even while locked on.
>>324123517
More control is always better, and at least in the first game your stamina didnt run out in 3 seconds forcing you to get out of the fight for another 10 secs til it fucking regen'd.
>>324123572
the first time I played frigid shitskirts it as on NG+8
and the bunnies are the reason you keep a fast spammy bow like the compsite bow or hunters blackbow with poison arrows on the ready
there is literally nothing wrong with cheesing sanics
>>324123656
>No, it really isn't.
No, it really is.
>>324123724
>wahhh I can't spam to win
>>324123775
It isn't you chucklefuck.
Why do you think they're going back to DS1 style movement in DS3?
>>324123517
You can take a hit during a roll (outside of iframes, obviously) and still roll through it. That's retarded.
That's not better movement.
>>324123926
>You can take a hit during a roll (outside of iframes, obviously) and still roll through it. That's retarded.
You can do the same in 1 though.
>>324123925
>Why do you think they're going back to DS1 style movement in DS3?
But they aren't, they are using the BB style movement.
>>324123738
>NG+8
holy shit
i had 0 regrets just upgrading a pyro flame and spamming firestorm > smelter dewrito explosion on every group of them i encountered just because of how stupid they were to deal with, warmth pyromancy made it double worth it with how long that lasts in comparison to how much damage i deal
i should probably pay gavlaan a visit once i beat the optional boss and stock on poison arrows/knives, might even trydual wield smelter hammers
>>324123984
No they're not.
>>324123984
BB is using a carbon copy of DS1 movement system save for the lock-on dashes.
>>324124060
But they litterally are, go watch gameplay on youtube pretty much everyone said how it feels exactly like BB.
>>324124072
That is wrong.
>>324101986
Why not both since faith and int are meh. Is pyromancy going to scale with a stat again?
>>324124128
>pretty much everyone said how it feels exactly like BB.
Yeah, niggers who only played Bloodborne
And since it lacks the lock-on dashes, it's not Bloodborne's movement system you stupid fuck
>>324124128
>That is wrong.
I have a shitton of hours in BB and DS1 both, go and spew bullshit elsewhere.
If anything, DS3 feels closer to DeS but you've never seen that game as well, you poor little shitposting mustard.
>>324124212
>Yeah, niggers who only played Bloodborne
And we are done.
>>324123991
I had a PvE dedicated character with 2500hp and heavy lightning resistant armor
still two shotted by santa's big helpers
>>324124212
>it lacks the lock-on dashes
Not him I didn't know this but that's a fucking shame.
>>324123775
>>wahh i cant spam to win
You cant fight at ALL. Literally every boss in DS2 follows the same exact fucking algorithm.
>wait for opening
>get two hits
>go back to waiting
Im not saying DS1 was completely different because it wasnt, but you at least had the stamina to get more hits in and generally do more with the fights. The waiting recovery periods in DS1 were much, MUCH lower than DS2, and that even applies to hp recovery. The reason DS2 is harder is because all the player-side mechanics take for fucking ever compared to what the enemies' response times.
>>324124245
>DS3 feels closer to DeS
Why do you come out with this bullshit when gameplay videos exist showing the movemrnt?
>>324124309
Because i've actually played in DeS.
>>324124246
Why? Because I said niggers? Are you a fucking baby?
>>324124273
>You cant fight at ALL. Literally every boss in DS2 follows the same exact fucking algorithm.
This is every boss fight in any game, you just want to be able to stand there, spam attack and win.
>>324124252
man you're making me real fucking frightened about my elemental resistances in NG+, currently they all hit about 160 and with the +3 quartz rings they just barely break 300
aside from fire shit (lolgyrmshield) things are probably gonna be painful, right now i'm wearing maxed dark mask/armour and havel's gauntlets/leggings with20 VIG
>>324124330
Anon, I can go post a video of DES and video of DS3 right now and prove you wrong.
>>324124269
Well it's too be expected, BB was a unique game in terms of forcing you to play aggressively. It would be weird to have distance covering dashes in a Dark Souls where you have the heavy armor and the shield.
>>324124421
>a video
He's ACTUALLY PLAYED the game, so when he says it FEELS the same you aren't going to invalidate him by posting videos, you pc mongoloid.
>>324124441
It's interesting to note that some heavy enemies in DS1 have BB dashes, albeit slower. Like the knight before Priscilla.
It would've been an interesting mechanic if on fat roll instead of rolling you could only do a relatively slow side dash.
>>32412439420 vig
you may as well drop every resistance gear you have because even with maxed resistances these things easily deal 1500 composite damage
tested with maxed looking glass set and lightning ring +3 on 2500hp (heavy armor to get reductions on their physical attacks as well)
easily 1500 dmg per hit,without the resistances I bet they do 1900+ damage on hit
it is bullshit
>>324124374
>replies to things he hasn't even read while still thinking his opinion is worth a shit
Ignorant, arrogant fuckface.
Anyone who says DaS 2 has better movement literally doesn't even know what deadzones are.
You are factually fucking wrong.
>>324117195
What kind of magic fag? There are many different types, and not just damaging spells.
>>324124692i know it's piss poor but being able to use my favourite armour combination, double smelter swords, composite bow and pyro flame ate up a ton of levels
yeah i'm definitely picking a shield for various elements just in case, while the resistances weren't the greatest i noticed that when blocking non-physical attacks witht he appropriate quartz+3 ring the chip damage was literally halved, easily letting me abuse the fuck out of warmth and my fuckhuge damage
i fully expect NG+ to turn this idea completely upside down though, fighting certain enemies shieldless is already a huge chore let alone fighting them with slow ass swords
>>324102472
>Not PvPing Dex build with Baldur Side Sword
>use grass shield and only throw it up to last second block
>Light armor so you can flip when you need to
>Slow and steady whittle their hp down with the BSS
>nothing like having people waste 30 minutes of their life in a battle they think they can win and getting delicious hate mails.
>>324125108
actually heavy weapons with overhead slams are better against them because it consistently pancakes them to the ground without summons
summon people and even their poise gets a buff
>>324125325
you talking about the optional boss in frosty's funland?
i literally know nothing about it except that there's apparently two of them, and only having two shits to deal with is already a relief compared to the main boss of the DLC. seriously that "boss" can go eat a dick
>>324125495
no I am talking about the reindeers on the way there
the boss is bull but not as much as the area before it
needless to say that almost every single attack they do one shots at that low hp and you can't block because anything short of a havels rock slab will get guard breaked in a couple if not 1 hits you so now you stand at the conundrum of summoning people and making the area before the boss harder or not summoning people and making the boss harder even without their coop buffs
take your pick of cancer
>>324125703
p.s. the ones that guard break and 1 shot you are both the reindeers and the bosees
Who /lightarmorheavyweapon/ here?
>>324104613
>Faith build
I've never really fucked with faith during any of my playthroughs
Aren't there only like 3-4 faith scaling weapons in the game? (Barring divine/occult (at least I think occult does))
How does one go about a faith run? Sounds interesting
>Do dual caestus
>pvp is always dark infused rapier spam
>>324127309
STR/Faith or DEX/Faith is pretty fun. Don't need a weapon that scales off of it, you can Sunlight/Darkmoon Blade to benefit from the stat on your weapon. Slap some extra miracles on for giggles.
>>324123067
>tfw trying to redirect your attacks at start up in DaS2
Fucking half the time it ends up in a completely different direction than where you were pointing the stick, and the fact that it doesn't give you 100% directional control on your rolling attack is aids.
In DaS1 and BB wherever you aim that stick the attack immediately directs to, even if the direction is directly 180 degrees behind you, it's accurate as shit, why they felt the need to change that I'll never know.
>>324127682
Guess so, I might give it a go
>>324127670
>pvp was this way when the game first started
>play the arena again a couple of weeks ago
>it's still the same
jesus
>>324127670
>havelmonsters with lighting ultragreatsword and infinite stamina
>annoying rapier users that do retarded amounts of damage per poke and hit you from twice the length of the rapier
>clothy Hex spammers
This is quite literally all the builds I've seen in the last 5 hours of PVP, all that fucking 'build variety' and it's the exact same 3 shitty builds every god damn time.
>STR or DEX?
INT and FTH and lots of attunement
>mfw I can carry and spam all the meme spells together
>>324101986
DEX
best way to defend an attack is not being there
