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Whats the appeal to MMO's?
>>324086729
Guys think they'll meet women on there, women know they'll get attention on there.
>Decide to try XIV
>Combat is literally "push the button"
>Fetch quests galore
>"I've lost my sandwiches"
>Get into a big battle
>Visual effects everywhere, can't process what's going on, resort to looking at bars and numbers for half an hour
>None of the quests are dynamic, play no part in the world at large
>Dialogue never gets to the point
>Shit cluttering the screen everywhere
>Changing class requires ridiculous amounts of grinding
9/10
>>324087757
is Realm Reborn good?
>>324086729
RR looks nothing like that :(
>>324086729
they can be good (too good) time sinks
>>324087757
>Dialogue never gets to the point
Did you get to HW yet?
>>324088045
Do I have to?
>>324087757
so it's okay to just post lies now? did you even play the game? changing classes is as easy as going to the trainer and signing up for the guild, unlocking the upgraded job ios just level 15 subclass and 30 main class which takes no more than 3 hours to do all in all. The dialogue is well-written and the world changes dynamically, quests actually do have an impact if you'd bother to read. I'm just gonna stop there, too lazy to point out all the wrong shit in your post
>>324087874
Best mmo out right now
>>324086729
It's practically the only video game genre where you can spend 100% of your time healing instead of attacking.
>>324086729
Socializing and long play.
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>>324088254
comes with the fine print :but all other mmos are the worst fucking shit imaginable
how do we fix HW and beyond
>>324088273
You can play pretty much any non-MMO party-based RPG as a healer.
>>324088254
Is it good on PS4? Is it active?
>>324088313
you just described all video games though
>>324088150
The shitty story arc between ARR and HW is the most boring thing I think I ever experienced in a video game. So no, you don't have to. You dodged a bullet.
>>324088404
>is it good on ps4
basically playing on pc
>is it active
if you can get into a high-medium pop server at the right time it's really active (except for the low level areas)
>>324088404
Yep, just don't join a dead server
I honestly don't know, OP.
I despise MMOs for a number of reasons. The main one being that they tend to offer grindy content instead of fun content in order to keep subscriptions. Every single MMO I've played felt like a second job, because I was running on a treadmill thinking that I just "had to get past this boring stuff" in order to get to the fun content, only to realize that none of it is actually fun.
Combat is also a huge fucking yawn in MMOs. Rotate between a few abilities. Most of the time, you set up macros so you don't have to push the buttons to activate those abilities because it's so tedious and boring.
The best MMO I played was RuneScape back in the day. You know why? Because I could do something else while I was playing. I could click on a tree or a monster and just read an article or watch a video. I can't do that when I'm playing something like WoW or FFXIV and it's a fucking bore. Tells you a lot about the genre and why it's on its way out.
my mmo experience was mostly playing with shit guilds where everyone thought my dps or tanking was amazing
>>324088348
Adding decent light party content would be a start.
>>324088584
>ur really gud ^^
>>324088372
Name one game where it isn't painful or highly inefficient to be a dedicated healer
>>324088406
no.
>>324086729
I don't even remember, man. I played MMOs hardcore 24/7 -- namely EverQuest and WoW, but almost every single one in between -- for ~15 years of my life. It made sense when you didn't have much going on in your life and the fake bar-filling made you feel like you were accomplishing something. The community helped give you a sense of inclusion and social interaction, but it was just a matter of time until everyone left for IRL.
It took almost 2 decades to finally realize there's no fucking point to the skinner box bullshit, and I wasted 10,000's hours that I could have spent playing other vidya and shit. The evil spark is finally gone.
>>324088753
yes
>>324086729
Menial task for that little surge of dopamine courses over you when you level up. You could say the same for a shit ton of video games. In the words of some random dude's blog
"video games are meant to distract and dismay. they are meant to be commodified and marketed and sold for profit. they are meant to trick you and to lie to you. there are some games that are genuinely born from artistic currents running through the author, but they are so few and far between that you are safe condemning the entire medium"
>>324088940
oh and
"MMOs are the worst offender in this regard. the idea of ‘grinding’ is sickening to me and i routinely shock and baffle myself when i see my hands hitting the keys for no other reason than to change a few bits on a server far away. that is all you are doing: trading your life to invert some transistors somewhere. you are tricked into thinking you are accomplishing something, but you are doing the exact opposite of that. you are repeating an effortless task for no reason. and you are paying for that privilege"
Running around in a big world with other people fighting monsters as wizards, knights, dwarves and shit? Probably?
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>>324086729
I started playing MMOs with Runescape/EQOA after playing dotHack. The biggest draw is the idea that you're playing with thousands of other real people. Gankers in PvP areas, guilds invading dungeons, etc all hade a huge draw to them. Using forums to spread information or schedule meets in game was also a fun side bit.
But then Wikia sites & WoW showed up. The communities are being torn to pieces in favor of streamlined casual fetch quests & Brazillion p2w shitfests. Right now Crowfall sounds like the closest you can get to the original feel they brought, but chances are MMOs are just going to be shit until 2020 or beyond. Part of the issue is that technology just can't really solve issues related to latency & distance to make gameplay improvements, and nobody wants to drop it down to regional locales. A game like PSO can better encompass the draw while improving gameplay, but we only get those from shitty companies like Sega & Capcom. And even then a good portion of releases are delay or JP only.
Here's a question: How do you make a good MMO? Or is Dark Souls as good as it gets
>>324089047
You could apply this thought to literally all online games though
If you don't enjoy the gameplay involved in 'inverting the transistors', then yeah, play something else
>>324086729
I like MMOs probably because it's online and forces you to be social. It feels nice to have people around.
>>324088348
Drop the PS3 and start making more zone content that isn't hunts or beast tribes, alongside instances.
Same appeal as ASSFAGGOTS. Unceasing tedium.
>>324088852
just stop posting. do yourself a solid here and just close the tab.
>>324088527
>>324088535
Thanks I'll look into it a bit more. I have the need for a MMO but my shitty PC just refuses to play any MMO at all without stuttering horribly.
depends on the mmo, i liked archeage for the constant feeling of danger of being ganked and pirating, too bad the p2w garbage and trion ruined it
>>324089282
You must be quite young to say that, considering there have been wikis for games like DAoC since the year 2000 (which predates the creation of runescape classic). You also blame WoW for "streamlined casual fetch quests" which is pretty uninformed because WoW barely had any quests when it was released, and most of those quests were insanely hardcore grind-heavy slogs or extremely long hardcore fetch quests that gave you no direction whatsoever.
>>324089740
Don't do it. You know deep down that MMOs are garbage.
You'll be sucked in by the music, atmosphere and cute Carbuncle following you only to realise what you're actually doing.
>>324089870
Meant to say UO instead of DAoC. I still have allakhazam
>>324089870
I'm only 26 :^(
I base my comparison against games like FFXI where you could receive a quest & have no indication at all of where to go unless you knew the lore. Wikia sites were not nearly as common as they are now. And even when you did find them you would often find misinformation or a complete lack of it on more obscure quests & endgame bits.
>>324086729
hanging with people. sometimes casual sometimes challenging fights. some exploration because you know, static world.
>>324089887
You know some people enjoy games entirely for those attributes alone
In theory appeal of mmo is: massive sandbox where you and a closely bonded community explore and advance the never ending story.
People go on and on about how WoW has turned to shit, and I agree it isn't the same, and while I again agree that Blizzard has done some bad things recently and that garrisons have destroyed the the old adventurer feel of wow, i think the lose of community is the biggest reason wow sucks right now.
People think back to vanilla and say, those were the good ol' days. Was grinding out 16,000 mobs back in the Ahn'Qiraj really all that great? People bitch and moan about fucking apex dailies now a days and those are much better then vanilla grinds were. What people miss i think was while you were grinding out 16,000 mobs, you did so with people that you could call friends, your guild was a family that you did battle with.
Whats better, more advanced raids with strangers who dont say a word so they may as well be Ai, or simple raids with family.
Remember the old days of tarren mill vs hillsbrad? Community driven events were players felt invested in their own minigame they created.
The appeal of MMO's is, was, community.
I used to be ok with MMOs... then i got a job, so when my heart is asking for boring, neverending tedium, i get payed for it 5 days a week.
Course, my co-workers play WoW and such to to each their own.
MMOs are like anime, 95% of them are complete shit and exactly the same. But when you find that one hidden gem that really works and is extremely enjoyable, it's like nothing else in the world. A good MMO is one that offers challenging gameplay that doesn't have any grind and focuses on teamwork as well as individual skill. A really good MMO has that as well as MMO-specific immersion features like well done player housing, crafting, and guilds. I have yet to find a really good MMO, the only MMO I've ever played that has good combat and no grind is Guild Wars 2.
>>324090682
>guild wars 2
>good
No.
>>324086729
EVE is the only MMO that actually pushes the boundary of the genre.
>>324088273
What modern MMO has healers that aren't expected to contribute DPS?
>>324090972
>expecting healers to dps
You can fuck right off.
>>324090972
WoW
>>324090801
eve is pretty cool for how advanced the community has become, for how you have players doing shit like creating their own goverments and pulling spy type shit, but the gameplay/ui is like taking a shot of novacain. the shit is bland as fuck and the title may as well be called excel the game.
>>324090790
what other MMO exists that lets you get to max level with max gear in 20 hours and has combat based entirely on skill and team synergy? there isn't one
hell u can get to max level and max gear in 1 minute if u go straight to PvP
Been thinking on giving tera a try, is it any good?
>>324091195
I understand that completely, and I have zero desire to play it, but as far as generating a persistent world that is the result of the aggregate of everyone's actions it is truly amazing. Everyother other MMO is glorified Farmville with group chat.
The fact that its one gigantic world that I can explore and fucking around in. Unfortunately thats exactly what the modern generation doesnt want, so they destroy masterpieces like Black Desert by demanding less and less sandbox elements because they dont like other players having an impact on their game play experience.
>>324091401
Not really, the content is awful. Wait for Blade and Soul.
>>324090682
>guild wars 2
Either literally retarded or bait.
>>324091401
Its all fanservice no depth
>>324090682
>anime, 95% of them are complete shit and exactly the same
thanks /v/
>>324090682
>gw2
>no grind
Yea nah.
>>324088197
there is no need to shill for the game, although you are right in the sense that changing class just takes going to the guild (and equipping a weapon), leveling more than one class (combat: DoW or DoM) is actually really grindy as you only have the story class quests, FATEs and ad infinitum dungeons.
It's a good way to waste your time. But can be annoying because you feel compelled to play due to spending money/gold to play. This missing out on other games.
>>324091773
>tfw leveling other jobs to 65
SE basically supporting botting
>>324088273
bullshit, FFXIV has been the only game where I have seen that healers are expected to DPS, even if their DPS is a minor contribution to the fight and can cause the healer to mess up priorities.
>>324091936
>65
But seriously, grinding a class to max from 50 is impossible.
I have absolutely no motivation to do that shit anymore.
I kind of feel bad for quitting though because I miss my guild mates
>>324091948
>healers expected to dps
>OF whines healers are expected to dps
>dps whine that they're expected to not do shit dps
>OF DPS whine that parsers should never exist
>>324088765
>wasted 10000 hours that I could have spent playing other vidya
But if it was fun then how was it wasted? Especially when your intention was to use that time to play another video game instead of something productive
>>324091936
>dat exponential curve at 60
I leveled a bard all the way to 60, then got bored and started leveling SMN to 53, then got bored of the pet micromanagement and got a rogue to 60 then got bored of the game itself...
>>324091936
The XP grind from 51-60 was already fine via dailies. Then they went ahead and made it a joke to level alt classes to 60 with the 3.1 update.
>>324086729
similiar to life. you build up assets and try to have more shinies then other people.
only wow is for people who've given up on achieving these goals in real life.
Accomplishment.
>accomplishing anything in an MMO
To some people, being able to press buttons the longest is an accomplishment. It's like being the first to finish an endurance race.
why don't you guys like Dofus of Wakfu?
I'm considering playing Wakfu again.
> turn based combat
> housing
> interesting classes
I never understood why it wasn't more popular.
>>324088551
I'd say you're not actually playing the game if you're just reading an article or watching a video. So really you liked the game because you didn't play it?
>mfw no 10GB patch for FFXIV
>>324091225
Doesn't matter how fast you can hit max level, the game is complete shit.
>>324093914
I hear those two games have basically lost their usebase. Risk of shut down keeps a lot of people from starting older games.
>>324091225
what other MMO exists that lets you get to max level with max gear in 20 hours
This is not a good point. Leveling should be a journey, not something to get out of the way right away. Why even bother with levels in that case?
>has combat based entirely on skill
lol yeah, either stunlock first with the generic PvP builds or you're just a DPS farming shit. Lotsa skill.
>team synergy
Now you're just fucking trolling.
>>324094607
Why would you want a 10gb patch?
>>324094709
Makes sense. Didn't realise the user base had decreased so much.
>>324093459
>Play the shit out of MMO
>Always accrue a shitload of in-game currency
>When I get bored of the game, just RMT
Man I love this world.
>>324095539
To fix the shit tier textures.
>>324095661
It's not the textures, it's the shaders and use of existing textures.
entering a fantasy world where you can fight goons with friends.
I'm actually excited for BDO
>>324096859
Korean games are always a recipe for disappointment.
>>324096859
And how fun will it be when you and your friends are constantly gangraped by Russians and BRs?
well it used to be a game which would have an endless amount of combat and where you would naturally make friends along the way on your journey.
not so much about that anymore.
>>324087757
>Combat is literally "push the button"
As opposed to?
>>324088551
>I despise MMOs for a number of reasons. The main one being that they tend to offer grindy content instead of fun content in order to keep subscriptions. Every single MMO I've played felt like a second job, because I was running on a treadmill thinking that I just "had to get past this boring stuff" in order to get to the fun content, only to realize that none of it is actually fun.
This.
I wasted so much of my early to mid teenage years playing virtually every MMO that released in the West. The grind back then was way worse than it is now, and I'd always burn out and find a new one, all with the same thinking that "once I'm endgame, the fun will start!"
I achieved endgame in ARR a month or two after it's release. That's when I found out how terrible it was; if not how terrible the entire genre is. Swore off MMOs since. It's the biggest skinner box scheme in gaming.
At least the friends I made in FFXI were genuinely awesome people. Only level I made it to was somewhere in the mid-20s. That sort of knit community in MMOs no longer exists, unfortunately. Not to mention the appeal of a 'virtual world'; everything is a themepark now, everything static. And the mystery is gone. No more adventure, everything datamined before patches and updates are even released and put on database sites.
Dead genre, and good riddance.
>>324094607
>tfw everything in ffxiv is being held back because of ps3 limitations
>>324097554
>Plays a game he doesn't enjoy so he can get to the end
lol fucking retard it's not a skinner box if you play through a game not feeling rewarded. You're just being a fucking idiot.
>>324097937
Game would be saved if they had dropped PS3 for 3.0, it's not like HW areas are built for it anyway.
oddshot.tv/shot/reckful-2016011641957524
it has exciting PVP
Guys what about MabinogiHoly shit that game isn't even fun anymore. It's depressing really.
>>324086729
It always boils down to 3 reasons:
-losers who's only way to feel superior is to play the most OP class and PvP, using every cheese, abuse and tricks. They typically gank low levels as they still suck too much to get good ranks in BGs.
-broken people who just want to mindlessly grind away their life.
-normies playing with friends (irl or internet)
>>324097509
As opposed to having a little puzzle with enemies.
>>324098140
Because dropping PS3 would magically let them fix all of our current complaints with the game that aren't visually related, nor would it speed up add-on support any.
>>324098141
>non open-world PvP
>Decide to try free trial
>Walk around costa del sol chilling with a bunch of fags pretending to be cat girls.
>mfw
It wasn't so bad. The soundtrack was nice. Brought back a few memories.
Escapism.
The problem is in modern MMOs, player reputation as an individual doesn't really matter outside of "oh, I know Anon plays X Job. We need X Job." For example, in FFXI if you were a shitter it was really hard to get by because everyone knew you were a shitter and would proactively avoid you.
A lot of people play MMOs for the escapism factor. They may be some neckbeard in real life, but in game they may the most badass motherfucking rogue you've ever seen that deals five dicktillion damage every microsecond. Obviously, people would want to run raids and dungeons if you are really good at your job/class, and people may even seek you out to fill a specialized role if you are the best in that role. Now, if reputation doesn't matter, there's no reason to try to be that badass rogue anymore. You can be a shitter and run the same things everyone else can. Now your reputation is based on real life qualities again: social ability. The game kind of turns into a how far you get is based on "who you know" rather than your ability as an individual.
good mmo's are godly
SWG put's every other game to shame
>>324098812
I regret not trying out SWG before the combat upgrade update killed its playerbase.
Ended up being tied to FFXI at the time.
>>324098396
The only people who care about open world PvP are gankers who want to stealth behind people 40 levels below them. Then when every newbie gets tired of places being camped the PvPers leave too because they have no more targets.
>>324098812
Which version? They were all heavily flawed, but Pre-CU (despite having the worst combat) did the best job of any MMO to come after it in fostering an interdependent and active community.
>>324099050
all versions had their ups and downs
I personally preferred Pre CU jedi's but preferred all the content that was added in later versions
My fondest memories are waking up to get on my swoop and check the harvesters and to scan area for new minerals
>>324099342
That was one of the great things of Pre-CU, I think. The skill point and character limits force everyone to find a specific niche that they find gratifying, and it made for a really interesting community. I liked going out into the wilds to tame pets/mounts for people and harvest animal resources for my crafter friend.
I wish that they never let FF11 die. It was such a unique game. None of this shit like we have today where they force players to play one singular way and throw locks on everything to keep you from progressing faster than they can make content. FF11 DID have lockouts on some things but it wasn't nearly to the degree that it is with ff14.
In FF11 you not only had to level your job, but you had to skill up your weapons and magic. THEN you had to go hunt down specific pieces of gear to swap in and out for different abilities and magic. THEN you would have to make special macros or download plugins for windower and program the shit to swap gear in and out for things. Being good at the game definitely took a lot more work than just "here dodge this red circle or line" bullshit. Gear was so much more interesting and you had to actually socialize and sometimes even be a decent person to get shit done. The sense of community was so much better, that and if you were doing endgame content you could have legitimate rivalry guilds for content and getting shit done. It felt SO good being part of a great linkshell and rubbing our success in other's faces when we beat them at doing something.
Crafting was useful too and crafters were paid and well known for being useful in the community. Crafting took a lot of time and money to do as well and it paid off a fuckload if you actually made it through all the bullshit it took to get it leveled. None of this gay omnicrafter casual shit.
FF11 generaly had way darker and more interesting stories and characters as well. People actually fucking died. Some people were also erased from existence. None of this "oh look they're alive haha arent we stinkers?" bullshit with heavensward.
I could suck ff11's dick all day and talk shit about ff14 being bad but there.
>>324090682
>guild wars 2
>good
>no grind
>saying a good mmo need player housing, crafting, and guilds when guild wars 2 fuck the crafting, screw the guild, and there virtual no player housing
And no, Guild Hall is not a player house. It couldn't even do Lich right.
>>324098974
CU was alright. NGE with the jedi is what kills it
>>324100067
What happened with NGE? Every player wanted to be a Jedi at that point and ruined the need for a diverse cast of specs and classes?
>>324098748
Look at this man.
Look how right he is.
>>324098168
LIGHTNING ROD+$25 Staff =End Game
>>324100248
NGE took the game and went from a system that had no numbered levels and 34 professions to one that had only 10 professions and your typical levels attached. NGE also let you start out as a jedi instead of having to go through the previous process to unlock it.
>>324100248
The main thing it change is changing the skill base game into class based game. There are levels now instead of just what skill you know. The choice is extremely limited, some classes does not exist anymore ie beastmaster and TKA, and what is suppose to be rare jedi is now a jedi fest with everyone being a jedi.
In other words, it became the FIRST WoW Clone because that is what the Luca Art/SoE's intention.
>>324100248
Pretty much
http://www.raphkoster.com/2015/04/16/a-jedi-saga/
Data-mining ruined MMOs.
>>324100456
CU added combat levels, but it was more of an approximation based on your learned skills. NGE revamped the whole thing into 10 linear-progression classes and basically went the "we want the WoW audience" route.
The thing is: in the end, NGE wasn't terrible. After a lot of work, the actual combat was actually kind of fun for the first time in the game's long history. That said, it couldn't undo the irreparable damage done to the community.
They're all trying to be WoW, and failing.
Before that they were all trying to be Evercrack, and failing.
It's just an industry filled with copycats who are trying to get the most NEETbux they can every month.
Oh, and then there's EVE I guess.
>>324100920
It was the CU that added the levels? Guess I'm guilty of sometimes lumping the two together even though there was some time between the two going live.
>>324100906
Wikis ruined MMO.
Normies ruined MMOs, as they do everything else.
>>324101068
Yeah. Like I said, it was basically an approximation based on how many combat skills you had and what tier they were. The general profession system was left largely intact.
I didn't care for the combat levels, because it took some of the ambiguity out of encounters with real players. As an unassuming musician, I liked to pick a fight with a cocky new hunter in the cantina only to unleash 3 trees worth of Teras Kasi skill on them.
>>324091773
If playing the game to you is a grind chances are this genre isn't for you because getting secondary classes to 60 is like the fastest leveling in any modern MMO besides WoW.
>>324099992
>I want more trivial grinding in my games!
I'm glad your kind are dying out.
>>324101187
>>324101276
Normies, Wiki, Dev wanting to cash in the casual crowd/wow, and the shareholder want nothing but more money instead of actual game content
>>324101471
Not him but that would be Champions Online. I was replaying it for the hell of it and I manage to get to max level in less than a week.
The big lie that ruined the genre that people to this day try to propagate is the notion that developers can't create content as fast as players finish it (without gating or a Korean grind).
>XI was near perfect during the CoP-ToAU era
>SE doesn't bother merging dead servers
>Introduces Level Sync instead
>Entire 1-75 experience now consists of 5-6 zones
>Finally decide to do something about RMT several years too late
>Everything about Abyssea
Why?
Is shitting on your own game some weird Japanese thing I don't understand?
>>324100920
All they had to do was implement the faster WoW-like combat system but keep the original SWG profession and skill points system, and keep Jedi a special thing instead of making them a basic class. It could have been fine.
>>324101918
>and keep Jedi a special thing instead of making them a basic class. It could have been fine.
Not him but the casual faggots complain bout being to grindy to be a jedi and want to be a jedi right away. Guess which side did the dev listen to about the jedi issue. That and nowadays, you can't go a second of having anything related to Star Wars without fucking jedis.
>>324101850
Times change. Audiences change. People grow up. You can't keep an online game on the same formula for decades. Same thing with WoW. Its not dying because of simply accessibility, its dying because people are finally tiring of the formula.
>>324101832
>max level in less than a week.
Wildstar took about 5 days for me. Still, might be on par with CO.
And surprisingly when CO first came out it took me about 3 weeks to get to max level. Then on Alert made it super easy.
>>324102089
I understand that, but it still feels like XI died at least 3 or 4 years too young.
>>324092110
addicting does not always equal fun
>>324102176
They took risks and/or expected XIV 1.0 to take over and draw people in so they wanted the transition to be comfortable, and for everyone to be finished with XI. Then it backfired.
>>324102080
Exactly this. It's a big reason why NGE was implemented, and the whole inability to stomach any content not centered around Jedi has been shitting up Star Wars media for years. I have faint hope that Rogue One might rekindle that flame.
The interesting worlds and the content.
Thankfully BnS is delivering on it.
>>324102242
Explain how.
>>324102171
It took me longer in W* for me but I wasn't queuing for dungeons.
And yeah, Alert made leveling easy and I don't really see anything wrong with it, really. The Freeform system is actually one of the better system out there due to the huge customization of skill selection and how you can be godlike with the right build and it has a top tier character appearance customization, but it's too bad that the Freeform is behind a paywall.
>>324101497
Call it trivial all you want but it felt more rewarding leveling something and working on something for more than 2 days and having the game ejaculate boring gear at me. I tihnk casual scum like you are the reason MMOs are shit these days anyways.
>>324087757
You forgot:
> 2.5s GCD.
>>324086729
If anybody wants a decent mmo, check out project1999, it's one of the only MMO's which actually has something of a community left.
Only problem is, the grind is fucking TERRIBLE, literally worse than runescape.
At least in rs you technically didn't have to grind like a dog in order to make some dosh, in this game, the grinding is necessary in order to get anywhere in the game. This, combined with the common '99 bullshit bugs means the game can sometimes be extremely frustrating.
The main reason I quit was because, while I was traveling to a new leveling zone, I stopped at an NPC camp to talk to them, every 5 seconds a crowd of goblin lords (30-something) would walk up and aggro and me (Even though there were NPC's defending me), I died around 4 times this way before I managed to drag my corpse to a tent, guess what? A tidal lord managed to oneshot me through the goddamn tent.
I lost about 100 plat on that corpse (gear included), I just decided fuck it, and never went back.
>>324088254
So that's a no.
>>324102694
Mmm another faggot who wants to feel 'accomplished' instead of having fun. Boy it's a good thing I have some actual accomplishments in life so I don't have to reply on that shit. But yeah have fun... or no fun, rather.
>>324086729
>posting WoW 2.0
>>324102617
Me neither. I had a lot of fun with the game while I was playing it and had a lot of fun times roleplaying. A shame that my group of friends kinda disbanded. But thank God for customization of that level.
>>324098748
Basically this.
But you don't need to have a shitty life to get hooked on MMORPGs, just some unfulfilled psychological needs.
Just look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs and you'll notice that most MMOs can fulfill any of the needs above the physiological ones. This is one of the reasons why some weak-minded faggots get addicted to MMORPGs more easily than other types of vidya.
Now, I'm not bashing this kind of games, it's just that many mmos just abuse this and forget about providing more interesting gameplay than just putting their players on grinding treadmills, which is sad, because I think the medium has potential for more than just that.
the golden age of mmos was really something else, so many good memories. swg, daoc, coh, eq2, then of course came wow. lots and lots of good times of hanging out and executing good teamwork or just chatting about nothing while you leveled. i'll always remember that first ragnaros kill and countless vc runs. don't care what anyone says mmos were fucking fun and nothing will take that away from me.
>>324103031
accomplishment is fun, and whose to say you're not having fun while you're doing what you're doing anyways?
>XIV is my first MMO
>250hrs so far
>reasonably fun but not sure why I've spent so much time when I only play casually
I am pretty sure it is because of the world and dressup.
>>324102694
The problem isn't the amount of grinding; it's the type of progression that games are using nowadays.
In FFXIV, you grind out points to purchase gear that is relevant to content at that given time. This gear is going to be replaced with another purchasable set of gear in a number of patches when content that is more difficult is released, making the original set of gear completely useless when the new gear comes out. This is vertical equipment progression.
In FFXI, the stronger gear was either usually incredibly expensive or a reward from some long quest. While there are some end-all "ideal" gearsets, it is possible to make an almost identical set of gear with different pieces depending on how much work you were willing to put into your equipment. You might have a body piece that is the best body piece to use abilities in, but that same body is absolute garbage for any other purpose; you would instead use a body that is the best for that particular purpose. This required knowledge of game mechanics and how they interacted with each other to provide an optimal result. (i.e. knowing how fast cast worked in relation to spell speed while still paying attention to haste in a fastcast equipment set) This gear may or may not be replaced in the future, but even if it is replaced, most of the time it was still usable or even superior depending how you set up the rest of your equipment. This is horizontal gear progression.
Vertical progression requires less thought from the game dev's position. They just have to make a new gear set that is slightly better than the previous best gearset. The utility of the original gear set doesn't matter when anyone can replace the previous set of gear by accumulating points.
Horizontal progression requires the dev to be cognizant of the game's mechanics, the type of gear it is, the stats on it, all while understanding the meta of how the players will use that piece of gear.
>>324103814
Vertical progression and lack of fun gear effects is the biggest contributor to the death of MMOs in my opinion.
The community of an MMO can only keep you there so long if the base game is flawed and your accomplishments don't mean anything after a month or two.
>>324103757
Because that's what XIV has devolved into: facebook simulator.
>>324104021
I don't talk to anyone so I don't think that's relevant to me, but I guess that's an MMO thing.
>>324097509
Telepathy.
>>324104007
Yep. This is it exactly. No longterm goals = why am i playing this game?
>>324104146
its sad when you can do 99% of content in an MMO without having to socially interact with others.
So what MMOs are ACTUALLY active?
FiestaOnline is dead af but the music is chill
