>there's imbalance between light and dark!
>it's dark who is always causing imbalance
I think Bayonetta one of the few games, if ever, that outright states that "light" is overdoing it without even being wishy washy.
Any other games that say light is making imbalance
One of the final fantasy games I think.
Final Fantasy III has, in its final dungeon, supporting characters that were the chosen ones meant to stem the Flood of Light that came to purge the world last time there was impalance.
Granted, the party are still the chosen ones meant to stop the flood of darkness in the present time, but it's still a worthwhile mention from a game so old.
>>324036838
FFIV? I thought it was "dark is evil, use light to balance it!"
>>324037065
No III
While you fought the Cloud of Darkness another dimension was fighting the Cloud of Light or something like that.
>>324037206
In SMT it's more of which is dick and which isn't, and even then everyone's a dick
>>324036724
>light and dark are two sides of the same coin!
>angels totally are as bad as the demons I swear!
>demons torture your soul for all eternity and/or devour it for the lulz
>angels don't do this
>"equally bad"
Yeah sure
>>324037298
angels manipulate you for their own ends and sees you as expendable
at least, judging by the game you quoted
>>324037298
Umbra witches had it worse than the Lumen sages.
>>324037298
Demons usually only torture sinners.
>>324036724
Tales of Symphonia?
>>324037392
And demons do the same. Both sides manipulate you while you're alive, the difference lies in how they treat you after their manipulations get you killed
>>324037192
The backstory for FF3 if I remember was that the forces of "Light" got too arrogant or "drunk" with power and the 4 warriors of darkness put them in their place.
>>324037298
You're glazing over the whole conspiracy to steal the other eye of the world in order to destroy all of life and start the universe anew with only angels
>>324036724
Devil May Cry 4
Though by the end the light is the dark so I don't know maybe not
>>324037845
which was the idea of a single Lumen sage controlled by a chaos deity
Dark Souls
>>324037298
What Angels in Bayonetta used a man who wanted peace to start a war between two clans resulting in both pushed to extinction.
>>324037845
>>324037986
>litterally all Loptr's fault
>>324037756
Except demons only torture sinners. Or those who made a pact with them.
Angels don't give a crap.
>>324038091
>be Lumen
>make pact with angels
>get superpowers and a ticket to heaven
>be Umbra
>make pact with demons
>get superpower and a ticket to ETERNAL DAMNATION
>>324038196
Yeah but all of the lumens were supposedly tricked by angels into committing suicide and such
>>324036724
Literally the whole fucking plot of dark souls. From a certain point of view, your existence is impeding the total darkness that would otherwise happen if we could just move on from this "age."
>>324037251
Lucy's often a lot more chill than YHVH, and He's the one usually starting shit
>>324038091
>make a pact with demons
>get tortured forever as Asa reward for your service
>make a pact with angels
>receive eternal paradise
>this clearly illustrates how both sides are equally dubious
"how about no"
>>324038262
All the lumens died fighting the umbra witches, which again, is all Loptrs fault
>>324038196
I doubt it's as good as you think for Lumen the ever becomes of a Umbra's soul will most likely be the same fate for a lumen seeing both are grabbed by those creepy hands.
Don't games with paladins tend to have paladins being the righteous bigots?
Disgaea D2
>>324038274
Is it because the chosen undead has the higher ground?
>>324038196
>>324038287
Probably the Lumen had other restrictions like having to pray every day or avoid doing haram things, while the witches were free to whore around while they were alive.
Also the Lumen lost against the Umbra, which suggests that demons gave them a little edge in power terms
if you want to be technical about it.
>>324038085
Its been a while since I played, why did Aesir split himself again? Was it because he was afraid of becoming conceited or something?
I think Kingdom Hearts did to a small extent, or at least attempted to. At one point, the characters acknowledge light and dark as equals where both have caused some problems (somewhere in 2 I think). There was also a mention about how people enjoyed light so much that they began to fight to the death over it. I don't remember it all exactly, so I could be wrong.
>>324036724
>Kingdom Herts
>the original X-Blade was equally splitted in light and darkness
>7 parts of light and 13 for darkness
>"equally"
>xehanort still angry at muh light is 2 stronk!!
>>324038898
because he was an idiot, when he created the eyes he split himself in the process.
>>324038929
>>324038931
>1 second apart
>>324036724
>Any other games that say light is making imbalance
not many, because it's a retarded idea that only people who hate their parents because they were forced to do homework would come up with
>>324038929
Except KH always makes a big deal about darkness being evil and shit
>>324039043
I'm fine with good triumphing evil or light triumphing dark.
It's when they suddenly put this bullshit about "balance" when things get shitty. What's the point of trying to make it out when in the end it still becomes a one-sided PoV?
>>324039104
mickey and ansem say that light and darkness are essential to each other, riku sums it up pretty clearly sayin "yeah, darkness is ok, it's those who lurk inside that are shitheads"
>>324039104
Maybe in the first game but from the second game onward they make it a pretty clear point that both rely on eachother and too much of one is a bad thing as seen with Eraqus.
People are just scared of darkness because you don't know whose lurking in the shadows.
>>324039475
We need a villain who uses light a lot.
For a moment I thought XIII would fit but even then they still use darkness.
>>324037735
This.
>>324039568
>We need a villain who uses light a lot
Eraqus and Roxas were great fights
>>324038673
I'll never experience the alluded to game with all four horsemen because Darksiders 2 was shit.
Why live..
>>324036724
I never understand games that do this because they never actually make the dark side look good or even different from light
it's basically just "yeah dark sucks but if we have too much of this good thing light it will magically be bad, trust me"
it's always just an excuse to have mary sue "lol I can use all the powers" characters. If it's just to make a fun gameplay mechanic then I can accept it but for games where it's just a storyline gimmick it's retarded
>>324039791
IT was only shit cause they ran out of money half way through.
The first bit was pretty good
>>324039568
A morally grey character that uses righteous powers to carry out misguided judgments perhaps?
>>324039104
Darkness is only bad in KH once you are consumed about it, or fight back once you've accepted it once before. Riku is proof that the darkness can be controlled and used for good once you've gone through self acceptance.
>>324040136
Should have never made it, should have went straight to the true sequel.
>>324039043
Yeah, no intelligent human being would ever think that completely pure virtue in all things or complete control by a singular power is a bad thing. Only stinky poopoo babies would think something like that.
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>>324040084
D&D goes into it with the whole Lawful and Chaotic, and how dangerous they are no matter whether they stand before Good or Evil.
>Lawful Good has its way
Congratulations, enjoy your summary execution for not waiting for your street crossing light to turn green because those are the absolute rules.
>Chaotic Good has its day
World tears apart as everyone pursues their own sense of "good and justice" and says fuck you to all order and structure in the process if it opposes them.
>>324036724
Kotor2 pokes fun at the light side as well.
>>324040385
I've never done this before, but you sure earned this *tips fedora* buddy
>>324040530
Whoever wrote that as being lawful good is a retard, that's clearly lawful neural. lawful good wouldn't have a law like that because there's no good in murdering people for mostly victim-less crimes like that. I understand a lot of more modern P&P players hate hate hate lawful good because they're edgy millenilias that hate the police or whatever, but you dont gotta strawman.
also no chaotic alignment will ever "have it's way" because you inherently can't have a chaotic society/world
trying to think seriously about the fucking D&D alignments is a fools errand (yes I know I just kinda did that myself) because they're stupidly vague points that don't make any sense in the real world and only kind of work in the very specific framework in which old gary gygax invented them (murdering monsters in a dungeon)
>>324040968
kotor 2 makes fun of the light side but it makes the dark side look even worse
if you turn dark side kreia straight up calls you a retard and leaves you to die, she just wants the current assholes in charge of the jedi to fuck off so someone reasonable can take over
>>324038673
Yes!! He fights for the balance.
Heaven cheated and Hell won!!
>>324041057
I think he's talking about ABSOLUTES which never happens in D&D, not really. It's always a clusterfuck of various alignments trying to co-exist.
>also no chaotic alignment will ever "have it's way" because you inherently can't have a chaotic society/world
Blood War will result in Chaotic Evil spilling everywhere if Demons ever win. But what I said above stands.
>>324038590
>MFW I hate you
>>324041641
but the blood war won't ever end because chaotic evil is always gonna fight itself and there's an unlimited amount of reinforcements from unlimited numbers of sides
that's the whole point
>>324042103
>but the blood war won't ever end because chaotic evil is always gonna fight itself and there's an unlimited amount of reinforcements from unlimited numbers of sides
have you read up on 4e?
>>324041057
That's the point, you idiot.
