>#FE bombed
I JUST DON'T FUCKING GET IT. THEY TOLD ME IT WOULD SELL LIKE SPLATOON. WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED? ITS NOT FAIR
So, /v/. You are going to buy it day one, right?
>>324029621
lol
>>324029621
Yes but who knows if its even going to come out in US. I need something to hold me over for persona 5.
>>324029621
Some retards will just to make other people "salty", I'll never understand their autism.
>>324029621
No romance option = Never ever
>>324029368
Who cares?
All I care about is if the US release has JP audio
If there's only a dub available that's no buy, if JP audio is in I'll get it and play it when I want a moe moe pop idolu experience
>>324029621
Nah, this game deserves to lie in it's shallow grave.
>>324029621
Yes, I am.
But I hope they don't fuck up with the dub.
I want my FAAAIAA EMBUREMU
>>324029890
It likely won't be dual audio.
Just something to tide people over until Persona 5.
>>324029368
Wait
You thought a niche RPG was going to do well on the Wii U?
What the fuck is wrong with you? Platformers are the only things that sell well on that fucking thing
>Sell Persona on a console which no one likes Persona as they have taste
It's like putting Catherine on it.
I'd play it on Steam but not my Wii U, just isn't right.
>>324029890
If you're lucky they will go cheap and just subtitle it.
>>324029890
Pirate it then
>>324029621
>buying this shit over SMTxFE
never
>>324030046
Well I certainly thought it do some what well in japan.
>>324030127
Any news on SMTxFE? It's been ages.
>>324030056
>Nintendrones
>taste
Good one
>>324029817
This decision actually confused the hell out of me, this game is obviously catering to the Persona/Awakening date sim crowd and they took out the feature that won that crowd over in the first place.
>>324030004
I expect subs only, dubbing japanese music is fucking hard
>>324030223
Who wants to tell him?
>>324030223
Didn't you hear? it was cancelled
So never ever
>>324029621
Yep.
I don't really care about /v/ memes or opinions since you fags are never right about anything.
>>324030109
Is there CFW for Wii U?
I'd have thought I'd have seen that here considering the tons of posts about 3ds cfw
>>324030128
You were wrong
The best selling third party game ever on the Wii U is Bayo 2 and that was like 80k in Japan
>>324029621
Bitch, this is my turf.
I'd love for more jrpgs on Wii U
But that looked like shit
>>324030347
IT WAS JUST AN APRIL FOOL'S JOKE!
>>324029621
No. But if I hear good things about it I might give it a chance eventually since from what I've heard and seen the gameplay seems to actually be kind of decent.
>>324029368
>idolshit
That shit is too cringey for even most JRPG players, familia.
>>324029621
I don't play shit games, sorry.
>>324030329
>Dating Idols
It'll kill their career if they do it.
>>324029368
it's not good, that's why.
>>324029621
OPERATION: KOWASHITAI STARTS NOW!
>>324030624
YOU JUST GOT
PRANK'D
I'M IMMORTAL
>>324030753
>don't make it public
There, it's not that hard.
>>324030329
Purity is an idol's biggest selling point, which is why they are forbidden to openly date someone.
>>324029817
Really? The fuck? And people wonder why it bombed?
>>324029368
What happened was Atlus drinking the fucking Kool-Aid and believing that making a game entirely about idols would sell well to non-otaku audiences.Fuck, I mean I'm a huge weeb, and this shit was even too much for me.
The inital trailer and the prolonged radio silence after it didn't do anything to help in the slightest either. This game would of had a much more muted negative reaction if they had said early on that they were going in a different direction.
>>324031030
would've bombed anyway. dating sims are too niche. the people who like them don't own wiius.
>>324030624
>tfw thought this must be it
>tfw April made a fool of me
>>324029621
I may pirate it someday.
Probably
I don't know it looks like fucking shit
>mfw it flopped
Eat shit purseowner/awakening fags.
>>324031171
Atlus is the king of waifus. Some would've bought a Wii U for this game.
>>324031282
M-Micaiah?
>IT'S JUST ONE STORE
>P-PAO? IT'S JUST CLOTHING
>W-WAIT FOR MEDIA CREATE SALES CHARTS!
Well, /v/? Were you one of those or did you see the writing on the wall?
>>324030939
You make it sound so simple when it's not. They have tight schedules to keep, someone will recognize them when they go into public, and merely going to some guy's house will cause rumors to spread.
>>324031358
I saw the writing from the second trailer. Once I saw what Atlus did with the game, I felt it was a pretty safe assumption that this wouldn't be a game that appealed to me.
>>324030127
Wait. Is this not SMTxFE?
>>324031358
If the game is good, does badly and is not what people wanted, then surely this is a good thing?
>>324031282
Kek why would persona fans care?
what is this weeb shit you faggots are shitting your pants about this time?
>>324031471
This is FExSMT
>>324031358
I saw it when they went radio silent with the game. It was either going to be canceled, or end up being something they were embarrassed or afraid of showing fans.
>>324031358
>it didn't even make it to the top 20 on the next week after it was released according to Media Create
>>324030753
Okay but they literally did this already in Persona 4
>>324029368
Fire Emblem? The game with the 13 year old in a bikini?
>>324031649
We need a YHVH pepe
>>324031510
>game is good
Mate, this game is anything but good. Unless you forgot a " 'nt " in there, I suggest you get your eyes checked.
>>324029621
No, I don't really see the appeal of the game
Also can we ban wojak/pepe edits of any kind please its fucking disgusting watching this on the front page.
>>324031425
You make it sound like this game is 100 percent based on reality. It's about idorus fighting big bads and pulling off a musical right before the final boss fight.
But dating is a no-no.
>>324029368
>I JUST DON'T FUCKING GET IT.
Let me explain then.
They made a game that is Shin Megami Tensi cross with Fire Emblem but with none of the traits of EITHER of those games that make them good or appeal to their fanbases while at the same time alienating anyone who wasn't a fan of either game.
In short, made a messy amalgamation of two games that ended up resembling neither.
It bombed hard.
>>324031717
We've already got a Costanza YHVH
Googling "Smtxfe bombed" just brings you to the SheekyForums
>>324031649
>SMT IV FINAL will outsell its lifetime sales day one
>>324031560
Does it look like SMTxFE to you?
>>324029368
Japan loved it
a-a-at least there's that?
>>324029621
Yes, especially after all the good impressions from fans of both series who haven't made it their agenda to only shit on the game.
>>324031985
Japan hated it also anon. It sold a little more than 20k in it's first week. Considering how frontloaded the sales are for these types of games, this this horribly.
Fuck, I think it even sold less than the Wonderful 101 did, now that I think about it.
>>324031851
Can't hee the hoy
>>324031719
It got decent reviews, despite what you're saying.
The story and setting are ridiculous, but the only actual complaints I'm hearing aren't about the gameplay at all, and more about what the setting should have been.
WHY WILL THEY -NEVER EVER- THINK ABOUT SMT X FE AGAIN?
I AM FUCKING -BOILING- V. I AM BOILING WITH FEAR AND ANGER.
SMT x FE DESERVES TO BE MADE. AND NO, NOBODY ASKED FOR THIS IDOL RPG SHIT. NOBODY.
FUCK, EVEN PERSONA FANS WOULD BE TURNED OFF THIS TITLE
THIS TITLE WAS -LITERALLY- MADE TO CATER FOR THE P4DAN AUDIENCE WHICH DOESN'T EXIST
WHAT THE FUCK
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE AN ADOLF HITLER VS FIRE EMBLEM GAME, WHY?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8wZfpI_QgE
>>324032172
>this this
This is my cue to go back to sleep.
>>324029368
>splatoon - 2.5 mil worldwide
>FE 500k units in only one country, with worldwide release soon
Splatoon is garbage and didn't sell shit. FE Fates only needs 1 of it's versions to crush that when it is released worldwide
>>324032172
it sold terribly, yeah.
but the ratings are high.
>>324032172
Wonderflop 101 sold like 5k its first week. #FE is a failure, but not that much of a failure.
>>324030330
The original Treehouse plan was to dub the music too.
I don't know if they're getting in over their heads or not, but they did dub Aqua's theme in FE14. Not as complex at KOWASHITAI, but still. They're not above it.
If this sees a physical release after making Fatal Frame V digital only I'm going to scream.
The lengths some of you in this thread go to defend this obvious cash grab (which backfired beautifully) is astounding.
This game could have been "okay" on it's own but slapping the FE and SMT names on it is the reason many people are unhappy about this game and celebrating its failure.
I'm glad this mess blew up in Atlus's face.
>>324032919
I don't think Atlus cares.
Will SMTxFE be on PC?
>>324029621
I will be pirating it, assuming the loadline thing comes out before the game
>>324033037
This. They got to make their idol pet project they've been wanting to make for a while, and have Nintendo pay for its development and marketing. The real loser here is Nintendo.
>>324029621
Yes.
>>324029621
The only way I'm buying it is it Tsubasa and Itsuki become a couple in the game. Otherwise, it can fuck off.
>>324032919
>Cash Grab
>Obviously spent a lot of money on this project
OK anon.
Imagine the fucking english dub of idolshit songs if it ever gets localized
>>324033202
You can emulate it right now.
>>324029621
I already have.
>>324033324
k
>>324031358
The moment Kiria panties were censored, I knew this was going to hit the shit.
How do you make something so lazy off so much potential?
>>324029368
This is great news for me because I never cared about FE. Maybe now Intelligent Systems can go back to putting their effort towards the next proper Paper Mario game.
>>324031358
I fucking love it.
>IT WAS ONLY DAY ONE SALES! WAIT A WEEK!
>A WEEK MEANS NOTHING! NEXT WEEK IT WILL DOUBLE IN SALES!
>Only 8k? W-WELL DON'T FORGET ABOUT DIGITAL AND ALL OF THOSE SPECIAL EDITIONS SOLD!
>>324033426
>that fat thumb
jesus christ, i'm not surprised.
>>324033456
Finny how that changed made her less slutty in her transformed state than her normal clothes.
>>324029790
What's this "it might nit get localised" shit coming from?
It was announced last year you retards.
>>324033396
>weeb game too weeb for weebistan
>getting localized
>>324033426
dude, lose weight
>>324033563
>>324033913
> What is a palm?
>>324029621
I don't know if I should buy your game or Omega Quintet, Tsubasa.
>>324029621
I have to buy it cause its like one of the only rpgs for wiiu so rip me
>>324033697
It is though. It was announced and shown off at E3 last year, along with being mentioned and brought up during the directs.
>>324029368
sold around 50k by now, it did better than disgaea 5 if that help you sleep at night.Games like this don't sell anymore in Japan, the teens there want half nude androginous edglords in spiked black leather now
>>324030951
>>324030753
See
>>324031669
Persona 4 had Rise, datable idol girl
It's a fun game, feels like SMT.
>>324029790
>something to hold me over for persona 5.
Going by ninty's shitty track history with XCX, expect Persona 5 to release before #FE, I'm being 100% serious here.
>>324029368
YOU THINK YOU HAVE PROBLEMS?!?!?
FUCK YOU
>>324034006
nah dude, you're fat as fuck, you can tell. That is one stubby as thumb.
Don't gloat yet, guys. There's a small chance this might be successful in the west.
>>324034006
>what is a salad?
>>324034006
That's a fat thumb, just accept it.
>>324030807
Filthy prank!
>>324034006
>What is a fat palm?
>>324034217
More people own WiiUs in Japan than Burgerland
>>324031851
>even Maken X sold twice as much on it's first week
>>324034217
No there isn't. If not even Japan wants an RPG about singing idols, the west sure as hell won't.
>>324033396
>They will almost certainly use Yuri
>He will sing weebshit
https://youtu.be/ifxePdcVMVA?t=7
>>324033432
Do you think it was cheap scouting the voice actors since they all had to be able to both voice act and sing? Do you think it was cheap hiring a professional in the idol business to make the songs and help with he soundtrack? Do you think it was cheap making the game look that good graphic wise? This is a game Atlus wouldn't make unless it was Persona or maybe SMT, but the could make it since it was a collab with Nintendo.
Don't know if anyone really cares, but it's a fun game. I hope the localization will be ok.
>>324034217
This shit is jap as fuck, more than yokai watch, and that sure as fuck didn't sell more.
>>324034671
they're in denial stage atm, don't mind them.
>>324029621
Yep. If I let sales influence my purchase decisions I'd have a PS4 instead of a PC and Wii-U.
>>324029621
What game?
>>324034006
Nigga, that's no palm, that's a fucking meatloaf.
>>324029368
>Promise pre-Awakening/P4G waifu faggotry crossover
>Deliver Awakening/P4G-tier waifu faggotry crossover
>Question why it bombed
One of the worst squandering of potential in a crossover ever.
>>324034139
Rise breaks up with MC to go back to her idol career at the end though.
>>324035057
Nah you cant romance the waifus thats why it failed
Why are people being so over dramatic about this game? It can't be worse than Omega Quintet and that was a mediocre game.
>>324035089
No, MC breaks up with any girls he dated because he has to leave Inaba.
>>324035057
What's strange is you can't romance anyone, so it doesn't appeal to Persona fans or new FE fans. Just who was this game's target audience?
Y-You don't like my game?
>>324029368
>>324029621
>mfw flop
It's sort of a shame, because I actually did like some ideas that were buried deep in that all idol bullshit.
>>324035215
neo/v/ is full of facebook kids who actually hate Japan to make daddy proud and because their big brother liked anime. It's typical underaged contrarian shit.
>>324035291
Nope. Now go away and die in obscurity.
>>324035437
Is that what you honestly believe? Is your blind love for this abomination really making you think that it's not plausible people dislike this game for a genuine reason?
Kowashitai more like KurwaSHITai
Should have made an actual SMTxFE instead of idolshit. Atlus is getting what they deserver.
>FExSMT crossover
>Everyone expecting Path of Radiance with Nocturne demon units
>get Idolmaster
>>324035291
What game? I might get it since she's cute
>>324035057
Actually it's more like:
>Present concept as SMT x FE
>stay silent for two whole years, with people speculating what the crossover would be like
>reveal that you changed your mind, and are making a FE1/Awakening spinoff with idols and SMT references limited to names of stores
>censor the sexy outfit from the first trailer and have no romance options so not even Otaku shitters can enjoy this
Like they had a challenge at work to see if they could make a game that appealed to as little people as possible
>>324035819
/medium rare/ master race reporting in
>>324035437
>actually believing /v/ hates weebshit
Anon, that's a hilarious joke!
>>324035819
I prefer Medium, but a Medium Rare is fine too.
>>324035819
I wish this was a part VN, part simulator management game, instead of a mediocre JRPG
It bombed because it failed to attract either fan base to the game. As a result, nobody is going to go out of their way to get a Wii u for this game, and existing owners who got turned off by the reveal won't be getting it either.
Fire Emblem's been dead since Awakening was shat out, hopefully after this and the Pokemon one bomb its corpse can rest in peace.
>>324036279
This. The defenders around here are thinking the vast majority of Wii-U owners are going to flock to this game.
>>324029621
Probably not. I'll see how hilarious the localization is first.
>>324036306
More like revived it was more popular than ever with awakening people just dont want waifus without dating mechanics
>>324036439
It was more popular but Awakening was fucking awful. I thought that was as bad as it would get but evidently I was wrong.
>>324036579
At least we have Nohr
>Let's make a game on the premise that it's a crossover between two series with strong niche fanbases
>Now let's make sure that it appeals to neither of them in terms of what they look for in their respective series tonally
>Don't worry, they'll totally buy it
You seriously have to wonder where this whole thing derailed.
>>324036667
Fuck off with your shitty games masquerading as Fire Emblem.
>>324034006
Not only do you type like an fatass, but you are one.
>>324036439
At this point FE is more like a zombie of it's former self. Sure, you can take a look at it and recognize what it once was, but getting closer you can see what stinks about it now.
>>324036827
>I haven't played Nohr
>>324035890
>reveal that you changed your mind, and are making a FE1/Awakening spinoff with idols and SMT references limited to names of stores
>censor the sexy outfit from the first trailer and have no romance options so not even Otaku shitters can enjoy this
What the fuck was the target audience???
>>324035856
Just guess.
>this was a nintendrone's defense image once
>this game is a veritable flop
RIP in pepperonis.
>>324036947
It has the exact same character art as Awakening did, gameplay that probably sucks just as hard, and will likely have even more waifu shit than Awakening. You can fuck off with your gutter laying, scum-sucking, absolute lowest comman denominator taste and make this board a better place you goddamn faggot.
>>324037276
Anyone who had any hope for this succeeding after that reveal was delusional as fuck.
t. Nintenbabby
>>324037276
how embarrassing, i'm loving it.
>>324037372
>gameplay that probably sucks just as hard
It doesn't. That's why I keep mentioning it. Go look it up and potentially find a new game to enjoy instead continuing to throw a fit over Awakening. You have no excuse not o least try it out since there's a full pirateable translation now.
>>324029368
>IT WOULD SELL LIKE SPLATOON
Didnt it sold like 21k copies?
lel
>>324029368
Why did you used that pic? No one is actually crying for this, everyone knows it's shit, they made a SMT and FE crossover and has nothing of either
>>324037627
I won't debase myself by pirating a game I have absolutely no hope or interest in. Fly away, troll.
>>324029621
yes, depends on how the localization is handled too
>>324037905
Okay, enjoy being an ignorant tool, then.
Japan crushed it.
>>324038014
Enjoy choking on a million cocks you tasteless fucking queer.
>>324030330
If Brits do it, the dub could be vaste superior.
Or would it kill the localizer to hire Actors with fucking range?
I like that it flopped
I'll be able to LP it in a couple years as that one obscure weeb game that no one really heard about and people will think I have taste
>>324038541
salty SMT fags will make sure you don't forget, trust me on this one
>Still no porn except for bara shit
>>324038662
Nobody cares about SMTfags though.
Even Atlus doesn't care about them anymore, thankfully.
>>324039132
They are getting SMT IV final, they care a bit but not enough to make a totally new one
>>324038249
Localizer would be kill, anon. Actual actors cost money, after all.
>that period in between announcement and release when people were so desperate to like this game that they were claiming it was going to be a deconstruction and there was an apocalypse in the game based off of a couple of seconds in the trailer
I'm still laughing
>>324029368
Can someone explain to me what's wrong with #FE?
People were asking for a SMTxFE right? And that's pretty much what we got right?
Also it looks great graphically and the gameplay is your typical SMT game.
Or am I missing something?
>>324039327
>Teen theater amateurs
>Costing money
>>324039416
who are you quoting?Also the story does get a bit dark
>>324039557
>Amateur theater faggots
>Actual actors
Reading comprehension, anon.
>>324029368
It's almost like turning it into a generic animu game that bears no similarities to either SMT or FE was a bad idea. Fuck Atlus. Ever since Persona 4 became a huge success, they've been pandering towards the weeb crowd harder than they ever had.
>>324039652
Look at this faggot, this is some random Uni faggot kidnapped off the street so they could have a face for Resident Evil, and a few voice lines.
It just works.
>>324039560
>Also the story does get a bit dark
enlighten me
>hey guys what if we made a crossover between fire emblem and SMT?
>what if we decided to scrap that idea, instead make it idolshit, and try marketing it as the same crossover?
I'm not sure if you've noticed for the past few years, but Nintendo's really bad at making business decisions.
>>324039991
do it yourself buddy, if people can samefag in these threads you can search something like this
>>324040092
Excuse me if I continue to not believe you then when the game literally has the protagonist turn into super saiyan marth and he and his friends sing jpop while flying on magic circles to fight the final boss.
>>324040250
Shame, bye
Why don't you guys like this game? Didn't you want idoraru? :^)
--Nintendo
>>324039479
>Idols too weird even for the weebest weebs
>No romance even though I want to dick Tsubasa
>NO LOVE
>>324039868
Wesker looks ripe for someone 38
>>324035819
Medium or medium rare, depending on the cut of steak.
>>324040861
Everyone looks like Uni students except the older looking guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWo0Hhx07Pc
Skip to 2:47ish
>>324040823
Idols can't be romanced in real life either. They're supposed to be pure for their fans. If they get found out to have a boyfriend they are fired and shunned from the entertainment industry.
The more you know!
>waifufags
ruining videogames as usual
>>324040823
What really? I thought the s.link events were for that in #FE
>>324041181
They also don't fight big bad dragons.
The more you know!
>>324031283
Otakus arent that reach nigga. Most of theam have pc, expect a cheap visual novel at cheap price.
>>324039835
>>324040002
>>324040398
>>324041386
lol and an edgy cross over with FE and mainline SMT would have sold worse on the Wii U kiddos
>>324029621
Yeah.
>>324039479
SMT and FE both have niche fanbases that strive off of strong stories (ignoring the persona fags). The story is lacking. The gameplay is nothing like any other game in either series, and it's based around idols??
FE and SMT have nothing to do with idols.
>post yfw FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAH EEEEHMBUREM
>>324042320
>>324040389
lol bye fag.
>>324042140
Idols are an object of worship so they do have something in common
>>324041964
At least it would have had some fucking charm.
>>324042320
>>324042320
Why couldn't they just have them singing the song WHILE they were actually fighting the boss
Could have been really hype
>>324042320
>>324042476
Different things appeal to different people, who fucking knew
>>324042320
>>324031358
they alienated smt fans and fire emblem fans when they released the first trailer
>>324042140
Idols is the bridge between the two series. How a PersonaXFE could've made sense otherwise.
I see nothing wrong with this
>>324042530
Because it's a standard RPG fight so they couldn't have the lyrics on all the time or it would loop incessantly. Sure, they could have done something like MGR where the lyrics kick in when you're doing well, but that's too much effort apparently.
>>324042320
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTl8gDQiKiE
>>324042721
>thinking idol weeb shit has charm
>>324042320
>>324042918
>thinking edgy god killing simulators have charm
>>324042903
dude nice
>>324029817
>FE without character pairing endings
They really removed only reason to even play those games?
>>324042772
I remember all those idols in Fire Emblem, and every Persona but 4.
>>324042903
>ctrl+f youtube
my man with the fix
>SMT fans don't like the idolshit or gameplay
>FE fans don't like the idolshit or game play
>Purse owner fans don't like the gameplay or idolshit
>Idol Otaku don't like other non idol video games
>Game is on a dead system
It was doomed from the start. Persona Emblem would have sold like hotcakes. Pissed me off because now we'll never get Persona Emblem.
>>324043029
>Not rejecting gods
I bet you're a lawfag, aren't you?
>>324043429
Lucifer pls go and stay go.
>>324030127
>>324030223
Don't hold it in. Just let it out.
>>324039868
Will you guys bully me if I said this actually looks kinda fun? I just like that it's a turn based RPG with pretty graphics. I need more turn based RPGs to play on my Wii U...
>>324043492
>law
That explains why you're such a couchnigger.
>>324043492
You know, I'd be more inclined to listen to YHVH if he had more people like this on his side, but for now I'll stick to bitchslapping you, Metatron.
>>324042772
>Persona
Who the fuck wants a Persona x FE game?
SMT isn't Persona.
SMT x FE would be the fucking shit.
>>324044032
>>324029621
Yeah, probably.
>>324029621
If I have extra monies, I will :3
>>324029621
5.5 exploit will hopefully come out soon, fuck no
>>324044189
>Persona x FE game?
anyone non-autistic would've guess this is what this was about since the very start.
I'm accepting it with open hands.
>>324045030
saved
>>324045030
upvote
>>324044995
Except if anything was similar to FE it'd be Devil Survivor. Both of which could have gone together well.
>>324045030
Post it on reddit.
>>324043642
No, I kind of agree. The aesthetic is doing nothing for me but most of the gameplay looks nice.
>>324043642
>pretty graphics
keep looking then
Can you imagine how it feel to dedicates all your time and hard work to create a brand new IP with a whole new setting and yet it sells like shit just because your fans were expecting a simple boring crossover and are too autistic to have an open mind.
Fire Emblem = Babby's first turn based strategy RPG
The whole series is a joke, it's so easy that it bores me.
>>324046052
>brand new IP
lol
>>324046052
I could still feel proud of creating a game that was done with a lot of effort, no matter the outcome
>>324046347
why are you in this thread then?
>>324029368
can you fuck off?
>>324046052
>new setting
persona has done modern fantasy to death adding music wont make it any less boring
>>324046480
Probably because it's a thread for a game that has nothing to do with FE and SMT.
>>324046714
go play idolmasters or something
>>324046052
>videogames are my life
>love FE. Think that Marth is the best character in gaming
>spend years studying programming/art
>finally managed to land a job at Atlus
>forced to work in an idoru game
>Marth sings before the final boss fight
It's not fair.
>>324035819
>faggots eating medium-rare and bellow
I don't dine with sub-humans
being unable to marry tsubasa is pretty horrible tbfh (to be fully honest)