What's the Citizen Kane of video games?
Metroid Prime
The last of us
the last of us
>>323997313
Starcraft
The Last of Us
TLOU
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>>323997947
Samefag detected
I guess we really are the last of us!
Probly super Mario bros or original legend of Zelda. citizen kain changed film and impacted every film that came after it. Those two games did with vidya changing them from parler style games to the artform as we know it as today
>>323997669
first post wins
itt: memers, or people who don't understand what citizen kane was for cinema.
>>323998143
What's the best way to understand how Citizen Kane is the Citizen Kane of movies?
>>323997313
Megaman X
>>323997313
Citizen Kane is largely remembered because it was so far ahead of it's time in terms of direction and story telling techniques.
As boring as these answers are, games like the early NES RPGs, or things like Metal gear for the MSX largely set the standard for story telling for that era. Half life changed the narrative technique used as well, but most of all the most influential thing I can think of isThe Last of us, it's simply 10 out of 10 bro.
>>323998482
Watch moves before it and see what it did differently.
Something like Super Mario Bros is one of the most fitting descriptions.
Or maybe Mario64.
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>>323998585
isn't last of us more of a movie than a game? is the epitome of gaming to be as movielike as possible?
>>323997950
Joel is just Nathan Drake with a fucking beard and mustache. They didn't even try to hide it. Retards buy up their recycled shit.
>>323998148
you're on /v/, obviously the right
>>323998698
I don't think anyone actually agrees with the first post, they are just memers and dips.
>>323998585
>it was so far ahead of it's time in
More like extremely influential and overall brilliant piece of art
>>323997950
Academical approach to videogame reviews when?
Do I have to bullshit my way into universities as a videogames professor before something like this can actually become a thing?
I bet 90% of /v/ hasn't seen Citizen Kane.
>>323998585
It wasn't so much ahead of it's time, but rather it was an amalgamation is many cinematic and storytelling techniques being used at the time.
In that was, I'd compare it to Deus Ex.
>>323998881
Seems a low estimate
>>323998881
Most people that talk about Citizen Kane haven't seen Citizen Kane.
Is Diablo 2 the Citizen Kane of ARPG?
>>323998982
my main boards are /lit/ and /tv/ and i haven't seen seen it. and we're supposed to be the most cultured!
>>323998585
Ah but you are looking at games only pushed the envelope story wise. Now with games unlike film you have direct interaction with the medium. As much as I love old school jrpgs there basically books with dice rolls in between. Now something like tLoZ added another level of interactivity to it. You directly controlled your character and interacted with the world around you. This really changed games a whole. Citizen kain was hugely revelotionary in not just story telling but in cinematography, editing, and ultimately style. It created film as the medium they are and not nearly filmed stage plays.
Sorry for the rant
>>323997313
Depression Quest
I thought it was Super Mario 64
Praised for it's craft and innovation yet outdated and boring by today's standards? Probably Crash Bandicoot 1 or Super Mario Bros. NES.
>>323999117
>/tv/
>cultured
the place is more casual about movies than /v/ is when it comes to videogames.
>>323998978
How about Resident Evil 4? Instead of storytelling techniques it was gameplay techniques, but aside from that it's the same concept
>>323997313
Citizen kane was a shit movie and Ebert was a euphoric tard.
>>323998978
I don't actually like TLOU, I was just trying to be funny and sarcastic but failed. I think Half Life would actually be my pick since that style of in game cut scenes lasted for quite a while. The level design also has a bunch of mechanisms that were sort of perfected and used in games over the next 10 years. But really, that's just looking at shooters, you could probably find the origin of JRPGs and say the same kinda thing. Hovertank or Wolfenstien could also be on that list, all the way up to DOOM for technical reasons.
Deus Ex was good, but it was kind of that amalgamation, games like System Shock already had a lot of the elements that Deus Ex pushed.
Metal Gear Solid.
The original.
Even though my favorite MGS is 2.
>>323999265
not all of /tv/ is a capeshit, just like not all of /v/ is console plebs.
we have proper Film discussions late at night, with an indie film of the week by one of our most notorious namefags.
>>323998698
>more of a movie than a game
You LITERALLY fell for a meme.
TLoU is damn fine. It's actually pretty hard too.
>>323998876
>Academical approach to videogame reviews when?
The funny thing is the majority of Vidya Journalists think they're being academic with their criticisms. It's just their idea of being academic isn't what we consider academic it's being faux-provocative and pandering to a crowd of gamers they hope exists but doesn't.
>>323999437
Wow, one indie movie a week, thats quite amazing!
Extra points for the comment about consoles. Because everybody knows that PC games like LoL and Dota are only for the most sophisticated enthusiasts.
Honestly? Undertale.
Closest thing right now would be SMB
>>323999137
Read my other post, I don't actually think TLoU qualifies:
>>323999404
You're kinda right about Zelda, but the gameplay really had it's roots in the arcady elements of other NES games. The first example of decent persistence of state and characters in a world was Metal Gear for MSX (definitely not NES) which is why I listed that.
>>323999475
i've had someone play the entire thing in the background, and I never actually looked at the screen. It's literally a movie.
what was the most complex platform game before super mario?
like holy fuck it jumped through hoops to become what it is.
>>323999597
The issue is that the retards analyze a game like a movie.
And they barely understand how movies work even.
TLOU is the videogame equivalent of Oscarbait, only worse because at least Oscarbait uses its own medium properly.
>>323997313
half-life
>>323999215
i agree with that. here's one of the developers of Blast Corps, a release game for the N64, saying he had no idea how to utilize the N64's analog stick during development of Blast Corps until he saw a demo of Mario 64 and he had a conceptual epiphany.
https://youtu.be/ArmWV_UJHZE?t=2766
skip to 46:06 if the timecode in the link doesn't work.
>>323999265
Yeah, right. Half the threads on /v/ aren't even about video games half the time. At least /tv/ is somewhat able to stay on-topic.
>>323997313
Super Mario 64.
>>323999775
How do you know it's a movie if you weren't even looking at the screen?
>>323999775
How do you know it's a movie if you weren't even looking at the screen?
A film primarily remembered because of its innovative cinematography and steps forward in technical aspects rather than its actual plot. I'd say either Doom or Quake.
It's a meme.
TLoU isn't influential at all. Minesweeper is more culturally relevant desu.
There isn't because no game has fundamentally changed games in such a way that justifies the medium and solidifies the language of that media.
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so what i get from this is that to the player it appears as a game, and to an audience it appears as a movie. and to a listener, like me, it appears as a perfectly fine radio drama.
that's commendable, but i feel it's still 75% movie/theater production and 25% gameplay.
If we are looking for a game that was ahead of its time in terms of gaming or gameplay, I think we should focus on gameplay instead of how well a game incorporates other media.
>>323997313
Bioshock Infinite.
Deep philosophical game that tackles complex fields of quantum physics as well as theory of time travel and parallel universes.
Also not many people can understand it yet alone comprehend its significance, just as Citizen Kane was snubbed at first.
>>324000229
>Minesweeper is more culturally relevant desu.
Minesweeper is all well and good but we all know Chip is going to make a comeback some day.
>>323997313
Undertale
>>323997313
Something like Mario 64 because it re-defined an entire genre, influenced the industry as a whole for years to come and changed how video games were designed and structured.
>>323998876
games aint no european science! there for shootin and madden
>>324000648
I didn't say TLoU was revolutionary. It's not the Citizen Kane of gaming, but it's a very well executed stealth/TPS hybrid. It's also a return to form for survival horror in a lot of ways-- mainly, the survival portion. It's the first game I can remember playing in a good while where resource management and bullet conservation are actually essential. The slow, methodical pacing is also reminiscent of horror games from the golden age. As I said in my first post, it's a damn fine game, but it got overhyped and the backlash from that has really tarnished the game's reputation here.
I don't think listening to a friend play it is any way to make fair evaluation. Play it yourself. Or don't, but please stop parroting these retards who call it a movie.
>>324000973
Resident Evil 4 also did this
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Resident Evil 4 also did this
>>324001201
>european science!
Nice try, third rate university student
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>>324001435
Again? Fix your shitty fucking website, moot.
Wasn't Citizen Kane more well-known for its cinematic techniques and editing for its story?
With that in mind, honestly, probably Super Mario Bros. 1. Think about it. That game absolutely innovated level design and teaching the player the mechanics through said level design and enemy placement. It's so intelligently and gracefully designed that people didn't even really think about it until recently.
undertale :DD
>>324001365
so 50% gameplay 50% movie? A big chunk of it is a movie just by the sheer amount of voice acting, the motion capture, the theater directors, the story writers, and the rest of that. If I can follow along by just listening, then I'd say it's half and half.
>>324001365
This, TLoU is the best third person ladderer and should be experienced first hand.
But for real its a mediocre piece of shit with a hamfisted sob story, if you want a fun tps on a sony platform stick to fucking uncharted and not mediocre overhyped crap
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Here's the Banjo Kazooie team saying they built Banjo to be a 2.5D sidescroller, at the 05:37 mark. Then they talk about seeing a demo of Mario64 at 06:44 and totally reworking their concept of how 3D was supposed to work.
https://youtu.be/w72kj20YNA0?t=337
06:44
>>324002243
>if you want a fun tps on a sony platform stick to fucking uncharted and not mediocre overhyped crap
My ass
TLoU may be overrated, but it's still good and a much better TPS than the UC series. UC is good but it's also extremely shallow, to the point where I'd say anything outside of the multiplayer is only worth playing once.
>>324002389
Are you fucking implying you'd replay TLoU campaign? I wouldn't force myself to play either in multiplayer with a fucking gamepad, but, Uncharted is fun, does not have a hamfisted sob story, pretentious movie like qualities, and ladderings
>b-but its shallow!
So is TLoU, but uncharted knows what it is, hence its fun, k?
>>323997313
Super Mario Bros.
>>324002702
good fucking lord you are really an expert at buzzwords
>i-its a hamfisted sob story
why, again? What makes it hamfisted? The story flows naturally, has great pacing and the characters are actually well developed. Yes, it's a drama so sad things happen, doesn't make it a sob story.
>pretentious movie like qualities
lol
how is it prenetious? But, the funny thing is, Uncharted is way more "cinematic" than TLOU. It has more cutscenes, more frequent breaks from gameplay, and the gameplay is way more casual.
>ladderings
I'm starting to think you didn't play the game cause you keep repeating this as if it was a constant mechanic. It was there maybe 4-5 times during the 15-16 hour long campaign.
Just fuck off.
>People actually defend TLOU
/v/ is dead
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>16 hour
>>323997313
rosebud is his sled
>>323997313
Nothing yet.
Videogames on level of silent slapstick comedy now.
>>324002974
I wonder if this bit was the Usual Suspects ending of its time.
>>324003058
yeah it is. it makes a lot of sense and you finally understand why he did all the bullshit he did in his later years.
>>324002974
>don't gimme that look man you don't know what i've been through you don't know who i've killed
What is the Citizen Bane of gaming?
There was a 3d platforming game before Mario 64 called Alpha Waves in 1990, which predated even 1995's Jumping Flash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khG6EcvLXSw
It's arguably more revolutionary, however the key element in being "The Citizen Kane of gaming" is recognition, and while Mario 64 wasn't the first game to do 3D movement, it had the largest amount of influence.
I don't think the whole aspect of Citizen Kane also being underappreciated for it's time applies when trying to find the "Citizen Kane of Gaming" considering media in general had changed dramatically by the 1990's.
>>324001776
>people actually believe that crock of bullshit
Top Kek.
I'm glad I avoided /v/ so i wouldn't get spoiled on MGS V, I got to play Undertale simply because a friend bought it for me.
Easily The most important game to come out since Mother 3 or Half Life 2, funny the lengths /v/ goes to be contrarian
Deus EX
>>324003532
>Easily The most important game
Nonsense.
It's Yet Another Indie Game being pushed as the second coming for doing nothing beyond what crap like Spec Ops: The Line already did while adding stereotypical AAA game branching.
>>324003532
>Easily The most important game to come out since Mother 3 or Half Life 2,
interesting game, but still not greatest game of all time or the pinnacle of gaming.
>>324003532
>you have to be contrarian not to like a shitty pixel 'game'
Maybe System Shock or Ultima Underworld. Used a lot of gameplay and storytelling techniques that are still used all over in 3d games.
>>324002974
>pic related spoiled it for me when I was like six years old
>>323998876
Yes.
>>323997313
>What's the Citizen Kane of video games?
An old game that's innovative for its time, parodied the most and overhyped by retards?
Super Mario Bros. (NES)
>>323999215
This is a perfect answer if you think about what "being the Citizen Kane of x" would would actually entail.
>>323998717
Uh it plays nothing like Uncharted other than it's a third person cover shooter
>>324008710
>third person cover ladderer
ftfy
only right answer
hell, if it werent for this game, all these underage would've never known that movie existed...
it was this quote that started it all
>>324008876
funny fucking part is that neither the underage, nor the stupid reviewers mentioning citizen kane have actually watched the movie
