One of the more interesting aspects of FFVII I'm certain they'll drop is the weird camera angles.
>>323993251
Why would they drop them?
>>323994725
They'd do an over the shoulder camera instead of fixed cameras.
![[victory fanfare intensifies].png](https://i.imgur.com/9ZFoQgi.jpg "[victory fanfare intensifies].png")
>>323994848
They didn't drop them in Advent Children, which Nomura directed. Why would they drop them for Remake's cutscenes?
>>323995925
The cutscenes maybe, but not the gameplay. Or at least I doubt it.
wrong thread, idiot
>>323993251
>whole scene is replaced with genesis crap
It was far more interesting when it was his own realization
>>323993251
One of the more interesting aspects of FFVII I'm certain they'll drop is the gameplay.
Since I've already seen video confirming this.
It's the littlest tiniest things that make VII great.
Did the higher ups at Shinra know Sephiroth's origin? I always wondered why they would send him to Nibelheim. Seems like it would just be asking for trouble.
Or maybe it was Hojo's doing? I could see him having Sephiroth sent there in hopes some shit would go down.
I haven't played VII in forever, but it was Gast who told Sephiroth that his mother was named Jenova, right? Why would he say that anyway?
>>323996554
i don't anybody ever really "told" sephiroth his backstory. he read it in all the shit documented in the mansion
>>323996749
I thought Sephiroth states that his mother is named Jenova "and she died during childbirth." I was trying to remember who told him that.. and if it was Gast, why would he lie to him like that?
>>323996856
Also, does Sephiroth ever realize that Hojo is his father? I don't think he ever makes it clear in the game that he knows the truth beyond his initial flashback "realization."
Though I guess in the lifestream he would have to, right?
>>323996234
The gameplay is the least interesting thing about FFVII.
...It's still interesting, but by far the weakest in the franchise short of maybe XIII.
I'm not sad to see it go in favor of XV-style real time with some ATB elements. Mite b cool
>>323995925
See if she didn't have that appalling costume that could have been an upskirt shot
They're gonna use the stupid anime Matrix rip-off style of AC and you're gonna hate it.
>>323993251
it'll be way overproduced
>>323997616
>weakest in the franchise
Not sure if trolling. It's literally identical to FF4, 5, 6, 8, and 9.
If you're counting limit breaks as a unique/new aspect, then it's still identical to FF6, 8, and 9.
If you're counting materia, then it's still highly derivative of FF6, and near-identical to FF8.
>>323993251
They'll drop the allusions to Aeris being involved in the sex industry.She was a prostitute in Midgar
>>323999146
there were zero allusions
>>323996234
I disagree
FFVII had some of the longest attack animations in the series, and was a chore after playing for a while, it's better off gone
>>323995925
that shit design of Tifa
for shame
>>323999190
Should I list some of the allusions for you? You must have missed them!
Or are you afraid this defiles your notion of what Aeris means to you?
>>323999440
List five of these so called allusions.
If you can even make up five
>>323998930
But I loved Advent Children
What's the point of having superpowered character if they don't fight each other in crazy anime battles
I hope that the combat in VII Remake looks like combat in AC
At least late game combat when you get more powerful materia and limit breaks
>they add a new kind of materia
>instead of giving you magic it gives you new non-magic attacks and moves
This is how you improve VII
>>323999538
Get out
>>323996554
they did, watch last order nibelheim was a conspiracy of sorts.
i believe the turks knew what was up with him too.
in short, sephy dindu nuffin until he went fucking nuts.
>>323999267
yeah but that's bullshit, you know
they could add a "press X to skip this long ass KOTR/supernova animation you've seen a hundred times" and there you go, problem fixed without changing the gameplay
>>323999146
the remake will be more grimdark, what if they are made more overt?
>>323999045
Good
Modern AAA games are shitty unpolished, buggy, pieces of crap
I'd ratger take overproduced than what we're usually getting these days
>>323999657
that's not what I meant
>>323999567
You first
>>323999142
The difference my good anon is that in those other games, 99% of spells and abilities aren't completely fucking useless. Well actually FF8 had it just as bad but at least it lets you press some buttons while doing Limit Breaks/Summons to make it a little less monotonous.
In most other FF games, you'll actually use support spells once in a while and the characters have different abilities that set them apart, not to mention there's usually some actual character customization that can't just be swapped out on a whim, which makes it more personalized. All these things add depth.
WHY DID WE STEAL THE HUGE MATERIA
Seriously why. Do they ever say anything other than, "SHINRA IS GATHERING LARGE MATERIA WE MUST STOP THEM AAAAAA". And then the rocket mission fails. Maybe because THERE WAS NO MATERIA ON IT. FUCKS.
>>323999440
Go ahead.
Let's see this supposed notion defiling.
>>323999492
>>323999190
"Flower Girl"
Selling flowers
Variable price of flowers
"Escort" Aeris to where she feels safe
Her house amidst the chaos of Sector 7
Her home's proximity to Wall Market
Wall Market's renown for the Honey Bee Inn and Don Corneo's grip on the sector
Aeris deep knowledge of all the workings and goings on of Wall Market
Completing Cloud's crossdressing quest to maximum is at Aeris direction according to her knowledge of what Don Coreno likes.
Her flirtatious and engaging demeanor with multiple men, including non-playable characters
Her contrasting melancholy due to her current life (not referring to what she's lost) and question dodging when asked
Should I be more specific?
Perhaps define the first as it relates to modern-day, historical, western and eastern ideololgies?
>>323999946
Selling flowers is a sign of purity/nature.
>>323999946
Go ahead, be more specific. Cos so far most of those are absolutely nothing as far as allusions go, just headcanon on your part.
>>323999635
Hmm, it's not that I WANT Aeris to be a prostitute, I just think it makes her more interesting and realistic. If that were to occur, I think it would make her sacrifice now be more redemption and like a savior rather than a martyr or saint. It would also be a more sexually charged interaction between characters and could create some great, tense scenes which fits well with the new tone.
Rather than Zack's pure gf from Crisis Core.
>>323999712
Then what?
Isn't it about the production values?
>>324000130
wishful thinking and headcanon
>>323999946
>"Flower Girl"
>Selling flowers
>Variable price of flowers
How are these allusions?
>"Escort" Aeris to where she feels safe
The term used is bodyguard, not escort.
>>324000196
I mean the action will be overproduced.
>>324000547
Meaning?
>>324000043
>>324000121
Not the person youre replying to, but japanese slang is really clear on "flower girl" - it's basically describing an escort but not so specifically sexually charged/implied over there. Somewhat hard to explain in translation but basically ACTUALLY paid dating rather than your "paid dating" in America
If it was a WRPG aeris would be known for "tricking" instead and it would be just an implied thing but everyone would know
>>323999782
This always bothered me. I'm sure there's a translation fuckup there somewhere. No way the main characters were retarded enough to remove the materia from the rocket in flight if it meant dooming a potentially world-saving mission just to spite Shinra.
I bet the materia was actually just used as an energy source for getting the rocket off the ground or something, and the actual warhead was a conventional weapon.
>>323999946
you missed the most obvious one, the conversations that clarify that buying a flower means you're buying a "date" with her.
>>324000627
It's not just about sex-trafficking in Japan. It's a way of circumventing all kinds of laws in eastern and western culture.
A flower girl in the west is a long spanning tradition. It's a young girl who scatters flowers (or petals) on the ground before the bride arrives. It's modern-day symbolism is transition from childhood to adulthood. They usually wear very similar dresses to heighten that point. More traditionally, the flower girl tossed out wheat and herbs and things thought to raise fertility. Because the point of marriage was children between nobels, and the flowergirl played a part purely in the sexual means of things. Obviously, more subtle in English since this was made by far-eastern asian men.
In japanese, the modern style of what Aeris does is called "enjo kosai" or "comensated dating." It means men giving money or goods to younger women for favors, company. Sex is not inherent, but usually implied. To say the bringing up enjo kosai is patently not about sex is like saying making a 100-year-old dragon loli is just her character and isn't to sexually fetishize it. Enjo kosai itself is heavily frowned upon considering its implications but also because it seemed to be a reflection of the industrialized, materialistic nature of youth into modern times (Midgar). Historically (and today) prostitution itself was banned and made only available in the outskirts/slums of a city. It works outside the bans by allowing paying for services such as "soaplands" "massage cafes" "health fashion" and the above enju kosai to bypass explicit sex trafficking.
Should we just talk about Aeris' actions in game, her placement in the world, and all the symbolism with just the word "flower" and how prominently it is tied to her, especially in the beginning?
There's nothin' wrong with her being a prostitute. In fact, it makes her more interesting and give her more depth. It's a wonderful explanation and a great contrast to her musings, and her actual dialogue.
>>323999782
Referencing older Final Fantasy games by collecting four elemental crystals, duh.
>>324001049
I like the perspective that it's combining both meanings and I agree with you, I was just clarifying since the previous posters didnt really seem to be aware of enjo kosai even being a thing
>>324000627
>but japanese slang is really clear on "flower girl" - it's basically describing an escort but not so specifically sexually charged/implied over there
Pulling this out of your ass? Flower girl is not a euphemism for anything in japan. It has no connotations. It has no hidden meanings whatsoever. It is not japanese slang, and never has been.
>>324001284
ok
>>324000043
It is a purity thing, as sex is also very much regarded as a purity thing. It's an allusion, not a literal "WHORE" to mention flowers. It being nature-based is also a great tie in as her role in protecting the planet and mothering the growth of those rare flowers...
>>324000473
...which she sells for a single gil. To you. Because you're cute, she likes you. But charges far more to non-playable characters. As for "bodyguard" vs "escort" you're totally right! She never used the word escort, she just "hired" Cloud as a bodyguard to take her directly home at the cost of a date (when Cloud says "I'm not cheap"). Later, her mother reveals she seems to need protection from potential bad men frequently and Aeris herself says she's used to this. It is just as easy to interpret as referring to Turks or just danger as a woman, since in the very next scene watching Tifa enter Wall Market, she says it's not a safe place for women, Directly stating that Don Corneo isn't in to men.
>>324000387
It's not so much as wishful thinking as interpretation. Growing up in a slum of Midgar as a pretty girl who's learned to sell goods and be a flirt...the constant iterations of flower motif, it's not a stretch by any means to realistically portray her as some level of prostitute. Not a bad thing, and I think it's a better background and more fitting to her character than to be a completely pure maiden, a practical goddess of the planet who is demure and tender. Just like all slum girls are who know nothing of their past and are chased by thugs frequently.
>>323999538
Unlike most people here, I try to respect peoples opinions, but you're just a fucking idiot.
>>324001381
I mean, feel free to google 花売り娘 or 売花 and see how long it takes you to get anything sexual at all.
Just buy the 'Weird Camera Angle DLC', then.
>>324001284
I'm not any of the anons here, and while I agree with you that neither the term "flower girl" literally in Japanese has connotations to prostitutes (some may argue the purchasing of a token item, usually a flower from edo period sex districts was common but that's a misconception), the type of work Aeris does and claims to do and models her business in-game is very similar to what another anon mentioned as enjo kosai. Being a flower girl was less about literal naming and more about the striking difference of a pure girl in a dirty city and how amazing that was. And as the game progressed through Midgar and you found out more and more about her...a little too amazing to hold continuity.
Aerith being a whore or a virgin makes literally no difference to anything. At best you can make some sort of head canon about how her life was before but ultimately that neither has any bearing to the story told in 7.
Maybe Barret sold cookies, maybe Cloud slipped to chocobo shit, maybe Vincent farted in his coffin, maybe Cid shitposts on /v/ for free.th>s
>>323993251
I'm sure I've seen this thread before. It's probably because you keep fucking making it.
>>323993251
These sorts of weird angels are still done in FF cutscenes tho
>>324002848
It can alter the meaning of her sacrifice. In either case, she didn't MEAN to get stabbed completely through by Sephiroth, but it happens. If she were a more realistic character with a more tonally dark background, this death is a release - redemption of since, return to ancient roots, leaving this life behind. If she were more a wholly chaste and pure woman it makes her death seem justified and destined - it makes her a saint and a divine being instead of merely the last Ancient capable of summoning Holy.
Overall, yeah, no difference, big whoop. As a character? It makes her unique and sets up a large contrast between her and Tifa, subverting tropes rather than relying on them. It's better writing.
>>323999946
>There are people on this world that still think Aeris was a prostitute
>They have no idea she was actually a procurer
>>324003291
That's all head canon though. She became a literal flower seller in Crisis Core. In AC flowers are in every scene with her which I doubt is to link her to her whore past while talking to Cloud.
>>324004006
Just wait until someone replies with something like
>b-but she was a prostitute, the compilation retconned it! The compilation isn't canon!
do you think they will get rid of the kekold scene with tifa?
>>324003291
>implying there's something to be "redeemed" for having the oldest known job
>implying Aeris and Tifa are similar to begin with
Step it up m8.
It's known as a "Dutch Tilt", and it was most infamously abused in the film Battlefield Earth. It's one of the worst filmmaking techniques in existence.
>Boring shot.
>Turn it siiiiiideways slightly.
>>324004297
I've always called it the rape angle.
>>324005562
It's not the rape angle you retard. In fact it's the fucking opposite of the rape angle.
>>323999782
I always thought they were trying to preserve the soul of the planet in the huge materia, but I don't think they ever give an explicit reason.
>>324003291
>It can alter the meaning of her sacrifice.
It doesn't alter a fucking thing. Take your shitty headcanon and shove it up your pretentious fat ass, you tumblr-tier twit.
